NationStates Jolt Archive

Any and all OOC conversations from the IC thread should be continued here, seeing as we have only about 2 pages of actual IC action in the other thread.

Thank you for clearing up all those issues back in the thread, and I hope that I didn't come off in the wrong fashion. I knew that NS time fluctuates differently, I just wasn't certain if you were agreeing that TUG had completed his re-building in a timely fashion. All of his rapid build-up seemed odd, considering the damage to his country, and I didn't want to offer to help (if you accepted it of course) to destroy a WMD peddler if he didn't have any.

All those issues with his treaties and the alliances is confusing as well, because he seems to break everything ALL THE TIME. One of the things that really bugged me was the fact that the original treaty he signed not only limited his forces, which you two seemed to have worked out, but also prevented his military from launching offensive operations. However, he joined in another RP war in another thread, and I was confused as to how that didn't violate everything. Conflicts with TUG are just REALLY confusing.

Yeah, TUG has a tendency to break treaty terms, which is one of the reasons I'm getting involved here. If you want in, just wait until the hostilities begin and send a message to my Ministry of Defense, that should break the IC silence Zinaire and I have held so far (CM just does whatever the hell he wants).

He definitely has WMD capabilities, the question here is whether we should just let CM deal with it in a massive noobish invasion or whether Zinaire and I should just blow them up with spec ops teams like we originally envisioned.

Also, you didn't come off in the wrong fashion at all :D

That's a good thing! I will join in once everything becomes "official." Also, hahaha, I was confused about CM as well and I noticed you guys were just letting him do what he wants. That is why I asked everything in OOC to Zinaire, because IC my country knows.....nothing. I think, if you were to get technical, the most my character could know IC is that my Intelligence agency picked up word of a WMD threat from TUG, hahaha.

may I ask what's going to happen with TUG's unbelievably large military? I'm not going in there unless he cuts it down reasonably

Islama, what are you going in with? Because TUG will likely nuke anyone trying to invade, I highly recommend that you hold off until our special forces teams have done their jobs, or just don't invade at all.

well I intended to deploy special forces once things started blowing, probably to back up your own if you didn't mind. i'd ask your ministry of defense before hand of course.

I cant see how TUG has 5 million people in his army...I barely have 500,000 ><..when exactly will we see stuff blow up?

I cant see how TUG has 5 million people in his army...I barely have 500,000 ><..when exactly will we see stuff blow up?

Well, your military is smaller than usual, but TUG's is also rather big.

I..havent really dealt in wars yet..so..of course I have a small army, I wonder though now it protects 223 million people..So I just read the contuing pages of the IC thread and it still dosent make sense with all the logistics how he can have a massive army enough to invade atleast half of the new countries..like me.

The nation of New Grekikland would gladly offer my nations help in the aid against this tyrant. (although I'm one)

The nation of New Grekikland would gladly offer my nations help in the aid against this tyrant. (although I'm one)

Fozcria, I don't know what you're planning, but GTFO.

Islama, what are you going in with? Because TUG will likely nuke anyone trying to invade, I highly recommend that you hold off until our special forces teams have done their jobs, or just don't invade at all.

I'm not capable of nuclear weapons and how I got a big army is UEMS gives out loans so that's how I paid for it.

i didn't expect you to, but with that in mind, can someone start blowing stuff up

I'm not capable of nuclear weapons and how I got a big army is UEMS gives out loans so that's how I paid for it.

But you have to be able to make the payments on that loan out of your defence budget while still paying for the everyday running of your military, something you'll find hard to do since you are usually at war with someone.

I'm not capable of nuclear weapons and how I got a big army is UEMS gives out loans so that's how I paid for it.

They sold you the equipment, but you still have to pay soldiers, train soldiers, repair equipment, keep your bases in shape, etc.

OOC: TUG, how the hell can you say that you don't have nuclear weapons when you're selling them on your storefront page?

OOC: As I said before, this is better then cable!

OOC: Lol, it always is when TUG takes the field.

OOC: It's really good practice for my troops having him as a protectorate. But, he's passed the technical limit for digging out situations.

TUG, what's the tallest building in your nation?

TUG, what's the tallest building in your nation?

For what the Captial Building.

I'm going to post my ORBAT here....

ORBAT
(Not including special forces)

Bishop Carrier Strike Group

Ark Royal Class aircraft carrier
- ZSV Bishop
- ACI-74 Aquila-II fighter x 36
- FA 16 Priest attack fighter x 24
- Blackadder MSE.2 maritime strike aircraft x 12
- Blackadder MSE.2R refueling tanker x 6
- Sportsman AEW.2 AWAC aircraft x 6
- C-2 Greyhound transport aircraft x 6
- TEF-62B electronic warfare aircraft x 6
- SH-96M Sea Panther sea control helicopter x 4
Houston Class guided missile cruiser
- ZSV Heron
Bellerophon Class guided missile cruiser (anti-aircraft)
- ZSV Zeus
Guardian Class guided missile destroyer (anti-aircraft)
- ZSV Miller
- ZSV Marcus
Acheron Class guided missile destroyer
- ZSV Impératrice
- ZSV Dorée
- ZSV Troumassée
Bermuda Class guided missile frigate
- ZSV Zinaire
- ZSV Cuba
Defiance Class attack submarine
- ZSV Ray
- ZSV Angelfish
Supply Class replenishment ship
- ZSV AOE-1 (on standby)

Tiamona Carrier Strike Group

Triumph Class aircraft carrier
- ZSV Tiamona
- ACI-74 Aquila-II fighter x 24
- FA 16 Priest attack fighter x 24
- Blackadder MSE.2 maritime strike aircraft x 12
- Blackadder MSE.2R refueling tanker x 2
- Sportsman AEW.2 AWAC aircraft x 4
- C-2 Greyhound transport aircraft x 4
- TEF-62B electronic warfare aircraft x 4
- SH-96M Sea Panther sea control helicopter x 4
Houston Class guided missile cruiser
- ZSV Pelican
Bellerophon Class guided missile cruiser (anti-aircraft)
- ZSV Poseidon
Guardian Class guided missile destroyer (anti-aircraft)
- ZSV Knight
Acheron Class guided missile destroyer
- ZSV Dennery
- ZSV Roseau
Bermuda Class guided missile frigate
- ZSV Barbados
- ZSV Puerto Rico
Defiance Class attack submarine
- ZSV Triggerfish
- ZSV Hamlet
Supply Class replenishment ship
- ZSV AOE-2 (on standby)

Links to information about everything can be found here: http://wikistates.outwardhosting.com/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Zinairian_Armed_Forces

Special Operations ORBAT

7th KSK Group (512 men)
-32x Squads (16 men)
--64 Fire Teams (8 men)

*Example Fire Team*
1x Sergeant
--P11 (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12774318&postcount=16)Sidearm
--G18A4 (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13387998&postcount=286)Rifle
--10 lbs C4
1x Explosives Expert
--P11 Sidearm
--G18A4 Rifle
--60 lbs C4
2x Anti-armor Specialists (1 assistant)
--P11 Sidearm
--G18A4 Rifle
--MAWL-90 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13108472&postcount=156) Recoilless Rifle
1x Sniper
--P11 Sidearm
--1x SSG161 (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13794127&postcount=524)Marksman Rifle
1x Communications Officer
--P11 Sidearm
--G18A4 Rifle
--10 lbs C4
--Radio system
2x Riflemen
--P11 Sidearm
--G18A4 Rifle
--20 lbs C4

1st Independent Battlegroup
1x Eagle Class (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13668627&postcount=25) Aviation Carrier
-16x "Black Storm (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13830317&postcount=593)" helicopters

26th Air Squadron (operating out of Leistung, refueled mid-flight)
5x B-198A "Kodiak" (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13627900&postcount=462) Bombers
-24x "Taipan (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11129023&postcount=460)" cruise missiles (2000 nautical mile range)
5x FA-15 Cardinals (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523062)

Wait, something's not right. You said the 430 mile trip to the coast would take around 2.5 hours, but at 26 knots, it would take more like 14.

hm? At 170 knots airspeed, the trip should take roughly 2.5 hours. Remember, nautical miles, not normal miles.

hm? At 170 knots airspeed, the trip should take roughly 2.5 hours. Remember, nautical miles, not normal miles.

Ah, right, you airborne SOB. I forgot you get to take your little helicopters while we have to go in on subs then go in further on smaller, slower (8 knots/h) subs.

Leistung, just so you know, I posted my offer of military aid in the actual thread. I can move over the Carrier group ship names and all other necessary information to this thread if you request it later.

ORBAT(Did someone call an Exterminator?)


NE-Peacekeeping Squad:

Infantry:

50,000x Armen soldiers, armed with paste bombs, AM-20 assault rifles, and Armen-Class sub-machine guns.

20,000x Nefushaten soldiers, armed with AM-42 assault rifles, 2x Rithic Tactical Battle Knives, 2x L-Class pistols, LF communicator, and a BPS(Battle Positioning System)

Navy:

10x Rithic Bulk Fighter ships(Currently moving towards TUG)
1x Aircraft Carrier "DRAGON"
1x Military Supply Ship

Airforce:

11x Rithic Bulk Fighters(On Carrier)
2x Rithic A-Class bombers(On Carrier)
2x Blackhawk Transportation Helis(Currently at TUG)
5x Vehicle Transportation Planes(Currently at TUG)

Misc. Equipment:

x2,000 SBE(Small Battlefield Edition) Kakarus
x100 Kakarus
x1,000 Backup Paste Bombs
x100 Backup Assault-Rifles
x300 Backup Tactical Knives

(Most of this equipment is being sent on the military supply ship, however the paste bombs and tactical knives arrived on the Black Hawks and some of the SBE Kakarus(about 50) arrived in the Vehicle Transportation Planes(Large planes with Electromagnetic hooks that hold onto vehicles.)

OOC: Sur, I responded, and thanks for the support. Rithian...what are you up to?

OCC: Thanks, I saw.

IC: ORBAT

Navy

5 FFG Class Frigates

USS Insight
USS Instigator
USS Abruzzo
USS Jonestown
USS Blue Bell

3 DDG Class Destroyers

USS Norriton
USS Andrews
USS Burr

3 DDGN Class Destroyers

USS Redding
USS Scranton
USS Outcome

3 CRSG Class Crusier's

USS Taphorn
USS Grant
USS Montrose

1 "Triumph" Class Carrier codenamed "USS Towamencin" with an air wing consisting of:

12 x Hawker Cossack S.2 Mk2 Strike Bombers
12 x Blackburn Beaufort FGR.2 Light Fighters
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6 x Westland Wellington SAR.1 Variant HELOs
2 x Supermarine Sirius AS.2
1 x Supermarine Sportsman AEW.1

links here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=557728

Army

10,000 infantry armed with M-16 SR rifles (RL I know, but I like the weapons with special modifers), "Dagger" infantry knives, and "Scorpion" grenades.
2,000 logistical support and supply staff

I'm thninking about slapping a blockade on his whole country and decalring any ship sailing under the TUG flag as fair game to be boarded and searched.

Yes, that will bet met by a decree that all your cities are fair game for our SMs. Also, Leistung, I'll try to interfere as little as possible with the operation, I'm in to make sure there is a 0 dead count for civilians and non-fighting soldiers(reserves). Amethyst pact is pretty strong. I won't harm your soldiers, or any battle your fighting either.

ORBAT

Navy

1x Enterprise Class Fleet Aircraft Carrier
-ARIS Jibriel
Assets
3x F/A-39A Enforcer Strike Fighters
2x F/A-39B Enforcer Strike Fighters
2x EA-16B Thrasher Electronic Attack Aircraft
1x E-2F Hawkeye II Airborne Early Warning Aircraft
3x BA-74E "Scimitar" Supersonic Precision Strike Bomber

1X Inflexible Class Attack Aircraft Carrier
-ARIS Hamsa
Assets
1x SV-22B Osprey Anti-Submarine Warfare Tiltrotors
2x SH-96F Sea-Jag Anti-Submarine Warfare Helicopters
10x MH-96E "Black Jag" Special Operations Helicopter

4x Rowe Class Anti-Air Warfare, Guided-Missile Destroyer (DDG)
-ARIS Joshua
-ARIS Sandstorm
-ARIS Sinai
-ARIS David

4x Derrick Class Anti-Submarine Warfare, Guided-Missile Destroyer (DDG)
-ARIS Omar
-ARIS Ezekiel
-ARIS Palestine
-ARIS Yuri

4x Alastair Class General Purpose, Guided-Missile Frigate (FFG)
-ARIS Michael
-ARIS Ijilis
-ARIS Hebron
-ARIS Adam

Special Operations ORBAT

9th JSF Group(120)
6x Squads (20)
24x Fireteams (5)

Fireteam:
1x Sergeant
-P11 sidearm
-G9 Assault Rifle
-5 lbs C4
-Radio System
1x Demolitions
-P11 sidearm
-M12A1 combat shotgun
-65 lbs C4
1x Anti-armor
-P11 sidearm
-LAW-66 anti-tank/assault weapon
-10 lbs C4
1x Sniper
-P11 sidearm
-SSG164 sniper rifle system
-8 lbs C4
1x Heavy Weapons
-P11 sidearm
-MG9C Machine Gun
-15 lbs C4

All of these troops are assembled and in international waters, I'm waiting for others to attack

TUG just fired on Zinaire's naval forces that are positioned in International waters, and confirmed a hit. I kid you not.... :(

TUG just fired on Zinaire's naval forces that are positioned in International waters, and confirmed a hit. I kid you not.... :(

I did but said confirm the hit! that means did it hit now it's up to zinaire to say if it hit.

Ok fine, maybe I saw the wording wrong. Either way though....YOU CAN'T FIRE ON A SHIP IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS, even if that ship is another nation's naval ship. International waters are free waters, which means they are FREE TO BE TRAVELED UPON. You just upped the ante in a BIG way.

So, TUG darling, explain to me 1) how you detected my fleet, 2) why my fleet is 70 miles farther out than they started, 3) why you have an ABSURD number of submarines 500 miles out past your coast.

Well Zin, Can I call Zin? During my first two weeks on nationstates I have thought about military stragety and I thought "why not get the enemy before it get's to me" and Abruzzi, may I call you that to? when you said I attacked Zin's fleet you sounded like a snitch.

You didn't answer Zinaire's first question, TUG, which was how you managed to detect his fleet so far out.

Also, don't talk about strategy if you can't spell the word itself right. There's nothing strategical about attacking a ship in international waters except saying "Hey! Look at me NationStates! I am technically threatening your sea vessels by attacking a ship in international waters! Please proceed to pwn me!"

Oh dear, isn't that precious calling me a snitch...HAHAHAHA. One, it's an OOC thread, so I am allowed to post whatever I want. Two, if that is being a snitch, then call me that, I don't give a rat's ass. Three, I only did that because of your blatant dis-regard for all things war and NS RP. You never surrender when you have been decimated, you constantly God-mod actions (although this time you got the Zinaire thing partly right), you don't follow any of the rules on NSEconomy or military capabilites, and you just violated the principles of International waters. Do I need to go on, or should I just let you continue to role-play yourself into either a slow banning from the mods, or eventual obscurity from people ignoring you?

Well my strategy was as I said get to the enemy first and I sent these subs out and they saw the fleet. and sorry Sur Abruzzi for calling you snitch.

Yes, that will bet met by a decree that all your cities are fair game for our SMs. Also, Leistung, I'll try to interfere as little as possible with the operation, I'm in to make sure there is a 0 dead count for civilians and non-fighting soldiers(reserves). Amethyst pact is pretty strong. I won't harm your soldiers, or any battle your fighting either.

That was meant to be funny. I have no intention of RPing with someone who can't grasp even the simplest concepts of II.

Firing on my cities would a good way to get your entire country obliterated pretty quickly, I have twice your population and a defence budget nearly five times your GDP.

Link (http://nstracker.jfsoftware.com/index.php?nation=tolvan&nation2=rithian&nation3=&nation4=&nation5=&nation6=)

Well my strategy was as I said get to the enemy first and I sent these subs out and they saw the fleet. and sorry Sur Abruzzi for calling you snitch.

Wait, wait, wait, you sent out like 50 submarines as a patrol? No one sends out a ballistic submarine as a patrol and they sure as hell don't send out fifty subs of any kind. And why are you patrolling 400 miles out to sea again?

And, if we're talking preemptive strikes, maybe I should just load up some bombers and send 'em your way so I don't even need to bother with subs.

That was meant to be funny. I have no intention of RPing with someone who can't grasp even the simplest concepts of II.

Firing on my cities would a good way to get your entire country obliterated pretty quickly, I have twice your population and a defence budget nearly five times your GDP.

Link (http://nstracker.jfsoftware.com/index.php?nation=tolvan&nation2=rithian&nation3=&nation4=&nation5=&nation6=)

Rithian, please don't force me to pull Nikovalusca out of the Black Sun to avoid getting dragged into something phenomenally stupid and suicidal.

That was meant to be funny. I have no intention of RPing with someone who can't grasp even the simplest concepts of II.

Firing on my cities would a good way to get your entire country obliterated pretty quickly, I have twice your population and a defence budget nearly five times your GDP.

Link (http://nstracker.jfsoftware.com/index.php?nation=tolvan&nation2=rithian&nation3=&nation4=&nation5=&nation6=)


Hey, I reply to sarcasm with sarcasm, I don't waste SMs on somebody who could shoot them down in a second.