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Specific Dynamics wishes to state that its latest project, the Rubin class Submarine Cargo Vessel is ready for sale. It is based on a retrofitted Typhoon class submarine, and retains much of its performance. This sub will be useful for blockade running, covert re-supply, transport of materials underneath icepack, and other needs. As an added feature, with a few months in dry-dock, this vessel can be refitted to Typhoon class specs. The price for this multi-purpose vessel will be $1.9 billion USD.

Displacement:
Surfaced: 23,200-24,500 tonnes
Submerged: 33,800-48,000 tonnes
Length: 175 meters
Beam: 23 meters
Draught: 12 meters
Propulsion:
2×OK-650 pressurized-water nuclear reactors
→90 megawatt each
2×VV-type steam turbines
→37 megawatt each
2 shaft, 7 blades shrouded screws
Speed:
Surfaced: 2-3 knots
Submerged: 16-18 knots
Test depth: 400 meters
Cargo: 20 vertical cargo tubes 20m x 2.6m, plus storage for man-portable crates where the torpedoes used to be stored.
Crew: 60
Armaments: none

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If somebody pings this with active sonar, or there's an SSN in the vicinity, it's toast. It should at least have some decoys, if not a handful of torpedoes to defend itself.

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Official Communique
Eisenseite Naval Industries
Hafenstadt, Leistung


We at ENI-SIN are very interested in your cargo submarine, and wish to propose to you something rather unorthodox. You may or may not have heard of Eisenseite's recent joint venture with Sun International Naval Systems--if you have not, suffice to say that Eisenseite is on the lookout for new ship designs. We feel that your cargo submarine is exactly the sort of thing we're lacking in our lineup of ships, and wish to discuss with you the possibility of a joint venture. You give us rights to sell the Rubin Class in our storefront, and we split the profits with you 30-70 (we get 30). A most generous offer in our books, but the final decision is obviously up to you.

Sincerely,
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If somebody pings this with active sonar, or there's an SSN in the vicinity, it's toast. It should at least have some decoys, if not a handful of torpedoes to defend itself.

If you've sent it out without escort on a dangerous mission then you defending yourself would be as dangerous if not more than just trying to run a blockade.

IC:

General Resources Conglomerate

Our legal department, hereafter referred to as "us", has begun proceedings against Specific Dynamics, hereby referred to as "you", for violating the copyright on our vessel the Submarine Cargo Vessel, which has been on sale in our storefront for a much longer time. Please discontinue sales or begin talks to license our patent.

Thank You.

[END]

If somebody pings this with active sonar, or there's an SSN in the vicinity, it's toast. It should at least have some decoys, if not a handful of torpedoes to defend itself.

OOC: I do realize that active sonar will pick this up (it's just a modified Typhoon), but the reason it doesn't have any on board weapons at all is because other civilian cargo ships are unarmed (however, it has the standard noisemaker decoys that a Typhoon would have). An inspection would reveal any torpedoes the sub was carrying, making a case against it being a civilian cargo vessel.

Please, no more OOC posts on here. If you have a question about the design, please see my thread in the draftroom.

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Official Communique
Eisenseite Naval Industries
Hafenstadt, Leistung


We at ENI-SIN are very interested in your cargo submarine, and wish to propose to you something rather unorthodox. You may or may not have heard of Eisenseite's recent joint venture with Sun International Naval Systems--if you have not, suffice to say that Eisenseite is on the lookout for new ship designs. We feel that your cargo submarine is exactly the sort of thing we're lacking in our lineup of ships, and wish to discuss with you the possibility of a joint venture. You give us rights to sell the Rubin Class in our storefront, and we split the profits with you 30-70 (we get 30). A most generous offer in our books, but the final decision is obviously up to you.

Sincerely,
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Official Reply

Specific Dynamics would be interested in such a venture, on the conditions that you not undercut our price without authorization, and that you not disseminate the plans for the Rubin Class to any other nation without authorization.

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Official Communique
Eisenseite Naval Industries
Hafenstadt, Leistung


We at ENI-SIN are very interested in your cargo submarine, and wish to propose to you something rather unorthodox. You may or may not have heard of Eisenseite's recent joint venture with Sun International Naval Systems--if you have not, suffice to say that Eisenseite is on the lookout for new ship designs. We feel that your cargo submarine is exactly the sort of thing we're lacking in our lineup of ships, and wish to discuss with you the possibility of a joint venture. You give us rights to sell the Rubin Class in our storefront, and we split the profits with you 30-70 (we get 30). A most generous offer in our books, but the final decision is obviously up to you.

Sincerely,
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General Resources Conglomerate

We have begun legal proceedings against the client that you are attempting to gain plans from for violation of our patent on the idea of the Rubin class Submarine Cargo Vessel based on the Typhoon class Submarine.

Please cease and desist any measures to gain access to our proprietary information or face legal action yourselves.

[END]

If you've sent it out without escort on a dangerous mission then you defending yourself would be as dangerous if not more than just trying to run a blockade.

IC:

General Resources Conglomerate

Our legal department, hereafter referred to as "us", has begun proceedings against Specific Dynamics, hereby referred to as "you", for violating the copyright on our vessel the Submarine Cargo Vessel, which has been on sale in our storefront for a much longer time. Please discontinue sales or begin talks to license our patent.

Thank You.

[END]

In consultation with our legal department, we were assured that our vessels modifications were considered different enough (less crew needed due to elimination of unneeded systems, extra cargo storage inside the pressure hull, etc, ability to be re-converted to combat use after a few months in drydock, etc), that we feel you have no case. Furthermore, we do not see mention of a patent, exclusive rights, or design credit on your storefront. Thus weakening your "case" further.

In consultation with our legal department, we were assured that our vessels modifications were considered different enough (less crew needed due to elimination of unneeded systems, extra cargo storage inside the pressure hull, etc, ability to be re-converted to combat use after a few months in drydock, etc), that we feel you have no case. Furthermore, we do not see mention of a patent, exclusive rights, or design credit on your storefront. Thus weakening your "case" further.

General Resources Conglomerate

Leafanistani Law gives us exclusive rights to a design for 14 years after we submit plans regardless of executive credit. As of this moment the reason it is not marked "Domestic" on our storefront is a rights dispute with the creators at the Rubin design bureau over how much of a share they want, and before we can decide on that it would be unfair for us to label it as one of ours.

The patent is not solely on the design but on the concept of rebuilding military submarines into civilian cargo use.

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General Resources Conglomerate

Leafanistani Law gives us exclusive rights to a design for 14 years after we submit plans regardless of executive credit. As of this moment the reason it is not marked "Domestic" on our storefront is a rights dispute with the creators at the Rubin design bureau over how much of a share they want, and before we can decide on that it would be unfair for us to label it as one of ours.

The patent is not solely on the design but on the concept of rebuilding military submarines into civilian cargo use.

[END]

Leafanistani law has no jurisdiction in the ASoGM. However, you are more than welcome to file your motions in the ASoGM's legal system. I don't know how well that will work out for you, however. And I don't know how you can patent the concept of converting a military sub into a cargo sub when, by your own admission, the Rubin design bureau has prior art.

"And now for commentary on the legal dispute between General Resources Conglomerate and Specific Dynamics, our own Doctor Rube Goldberg, professor of law at the University of Graceland and Catawaban News Network law analyst." The fashionably bland newscaster turned towards the law professor. "Good morning, Rube."

"Good morning, Bob." Doctor Goldberg smiled easily.

"Now, Rube, what is your take on the patent dispute between these two defense giants?" Bob asked tapping his pen on his stack of news copy.

Rube Goldberg leaned back comfortably in his chair and folded his hands over his plump stomach. "Well, this makes for a new one for me, Bob. By generally held convention and the generosity of many defense manufacturers in the United States and Russia, most of their existing weapons designs are considered public domain."

Bob canted his head to the side like a befuddled parrot. "How so, Doctor?"

Goldberg sat up in his chair. "Say I wanted to produce the Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II. I most certainly could and produce as many as I pleased. Now were I to do something and change the idea such as...please don't quote me on this, I am only a lawyer, but say...installing a diamond-tipped pitchfork launcher in place of the A-10's infamous cannon."

Bob gave a blank look. "A diamond-tipped pitchfork launcher?"

Goldberg gave a quick glare that worked so well to quiet students in his university lectures and apparently on newscasters as well. "Any hoot, I would be able to claim my new diamond-tipped pitchfork A-10 Thunderbolt as intellectual property and file a patent to protect my specific and original variant of said plane against exploitation."

Bob still had a blank look. "And where does this all tie in with..."

Goldberg gave him another glare to stifle him. "As I was saying...the 'patent' claimed by General Resource Conglomerate is on a real world, existing idea claimed by the Rubin Design Bureau in Russia (http://www.ckb-rubin.ru/eng/project/otherp/uwaters/index.htm). Now considering the laissez-faire attitude the RBD has shown thus far in allowing production of their famed, perhaps infamous, submarines, I consider it a grand show of smoke and mirrors for GRC to claim that RBD has given them any kind of exclusive right to this sort of submarine cargo vessel."

Bob nodded like a parrot, an animal he was quickly feeling kinship with. "Yes, well, thank you, Doctor, for that...explanation and for coming on the show with us today."

Doctor Rube Goldberg smiled and thanked the newcaster for inviting him, quickly rolling his eyes once the cameras were off him, and the newcaster moved to a story about Alpha Miraade explosive outburst at the Fatal Terrain Regional Conference.

Leafanistani law has no jurisdiction in the ASoGM. However, you are more than welcome to file your motions in the ASoGM's legal system. I don't know how well that will work out for you, however. And I don't know how you can patent the concept of converting a military sub into a cargo sub when, by your own admission, the Rubin design bureau has prior art.

OOC: This is mostly hot air just to see how far the concept can go. I'm also wondering if I continue this banter long enough you'll waste money on $10,000 an hour lawyers and whether anyone will respect that in an RP. Because asking in IRC is never the same as trying it out here.

OOC: This is mostly hot air just to see how far the concept can go. I'm also wondering if I continue this banter long enough you'll waste money on $10,000 an hour lawyers and whether anyone will respect that in an RP. Because asking in IRC is never the same as trying it out here.

OOC: Ah ha! The plot thinins. The lawyers won't be needed again unless a motion is filed in ASoGM court.

OOC: Ah ha! The plot thinins. The lawyers won't be needed again unless a motion is filed in ASoGM court.

OOC: Thinins sounds like some sort of ultralight synthetic linen replacement meant for campers and college students.

But yeah I could file a motion there, but then you'd be in charge of it and dismiss it. :3

OOC: Thinins sounds like some sort of ultralight synthetic linen replacement meant for campers and college students.

But yeah I could file a motion there, but then you'd be in charge of it and dismiss it. :3

OOC: It's like thickens, except exactly opposite.

You're more than welcome to file away. I just ask that if you do, you start another thread for it, so this one can go back to sales.

[OOC: Nice enough idea. No RL hate, you understand. ICly, however, we're going to shoot you with knives, obliterate, annihilate, and generally destroy you. Leaf called in a favour I owed him, so...anyway, look on the bright side. Cheap bumps for you]

IC:


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To: Specific Dynamics
From: Someone in Antigr trusted with purchasing Military weapons 'for the State'

Sir and/or Madam,
It has come to my attention that the Leafanistani company Major Dynamics is under the process of a legal dispute with your company over patent rights, and rightly so. The product is violating Leafanistani copyright over what is any original product on their behalf. We have been a customer to Leafanistani products ever since they were released for international sale, and are dedicated customers to them. While words cannot take immediate action, bear in mind that our legal team has tanks. It's Antigran. Anyway, you're violating copyright, stop it.

[OOC: Nice enough idea. No RL hate, you understand. ICly, however, we're going to shoot you with knives, obliterate, annihilate, and generally destroy you. Leaf called in a favour I owed him, so...anyway, look on the bright side. Cheap bumps for you]

IC:


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To: Specific Dynamics
From: Someone in Antigr trusted with purchasing Military weapons 'for the State'

Sir and/or Madam,
It has come to my attention that the Leafanistani company Major Dynamics is under the process of a legal dispute with your company over patent rights, and rightly so. The product is violating Leafanistani copyright over what is any original product on their behalf. We have been a customer to Leafanistani products ever since they were released for international sale, and are dedicated customers to them. While words cannot take immediate action, bear in mind that our legal team has tanks. It's Antigran. Anyway, you're violating copyright, stop it.

As I have already told Leafanistan's General Resources Conglomerate, they are more than welcome to file the appropriate motions in ASoGM court. Our legal team has assured us that we can mount a more than adequate defense of our product, as we feel the prior art in the subject matter would invalidate a patent on the concept, and our design is different enough to avoid infringement on specifics.

OOC: This will not become a war.

[OOC: Aww, no wars? Well, I tried. Save for our interruptions (which is obviously not my fault) have a nice thread]

OOC: Bump for sales.

OOC: Bump.