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Eisenseite Naval Industries
Sun International Naval Systems
Joint Venture

"Ruling the waves since 1947"
"Quality and Capability"

Eisenseite Naval Industries (PCSE: EN) is a publicly-owned company operating out of Hafenstadt, Leistung, the ship-building capital of the nation. ENI supplies the whole of the Bundesmarine of Leistung but also sells individual vessels to countries around the world.

Every ENI ship is constructed with the utmost care, and is re-checked dozens of times before being sent off. The radar and fire control systems are truly state-of-the-art, and most, if not all, ENI ships can be easily reconfigured to preform a number of roles.

Sun International Naval Systems strives to bring you the best naval vessels possible. Headquartered in the capital city of North Point (New Tripoli), SI Naval Systems is widely known as the producer of some of the most capable ships in the world.

Content List


-Section One: Patrol Vessels (OPV and FAC)
-Section Two: Frigates (FFG only)
-Section Three: Destroyers (DDG only)
-Section Four: Cruisers (CLG only)
-Section Five: Battlecruisers (BBG only)
-Section Six: Battleships (BB only)
-Section Seven: Aircraft Carriers (CV and CVN)
-Section Eight: Submarines (SSK, SSN, SSGN, and SSBN)

Terminology Explained


-OPV: Ocean Patrol Vessel
-FAC: Fast Attack Craft
-FFG: Guided Missile Frigate
-DDG: Guided Missile Destroyer
-CLG: Guided Missile Cruiser (Light)
-BBG: Guided Missile Battleships/Arsenal Ships
-BB: Battleship (guns)
-CV: Aircraft Carrier (conventional)
-CVN: Nuclear Aircraft Carrier
-SSK: Diesel-Electric Submarine
-SSN: Nuclear Hunter Submarine
-SSGN: Nuclear Guided Missile Submarine
-SSBN: Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarine
-RAM: Rolling Airframe Missile
-SAM: Surface-Air Missile
-ASW: Anti-Submarine Warfare
-SSW: Ship-Ship Warfare (here, at least)
*don't hesitate to ask what something means

Rules


-DO NOT copy statblocks
-All orders should be placed in an IC fashion
-Do not redistribute designs without express written permission
-I will do a courtesy "idiot check" on a random basis to determine who I'm selling to
-I'm normally not this mean :D

News


-Coming out with a new line of [not for sale] ships. Sorry, but this is also a repository for my navy. Mostly advanced SAMPSON/APAR or super-expensive SSBNs.




*Credit for images goes to the amazing drawers at shipbucket (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k279/shipbucket/). Weapons and equipment has been added or removed to fit the statblocks, but at the end of the day, it's still their core image.

Patrol Vessels

-Bauernfänger Class OPV (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13915248&postcount=4)..................$550 million [Leistung]
-Swiftsure Class OPV (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13915375&postcount=5)........................$780 million [Leistung]
-Savior Class OPV (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13915439&postcount=6)..............................$240 million [Leistung]
-Lancer-II Class OPV (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13682161&postcount=97)........................$450 million [North-Point]
-Miniatur Class FAC (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13915222&postcount=3)...........................$475 million [Leistung]
-Challenger Class FS (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13660598&postcount=2)..........................$400 million [North-Point]
-Anaconda Class FS (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13885435&postcount=256)........................$700 million [North-Point]
-Vigilant Class FC (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13660925&postcount=18).............................$450 million [North-Point]
-Schützen Class FC (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14322570&postcount=326).........................[CNFS] [Leistung]

Frigates

-Vorgehen Class FFG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13915694&postcount=7)...........................$900 million [Leistung]
-Preußisch Class FFG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13991658&postcount=178).........................$1.9 billion [Leistung]
-Reich Class FFG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13915756&postcount=9)................................$1.7 billion [Leistung]
-Fox Class FFG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13989410&postcount=167)..................................$1.5 billion [Leistung]
-Crown Class FFG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13660604&postcount=4)................................$1.5 billion [North-Point]
-Bermuda Class FFG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13818096&postcount=225)..........................$1.7 billion [North-Point]
-Longsword Class FF (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13660600&postcount=3)............................$1.7 billion [North-Point]
-Warhammer Class FF (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13671944&postcount=40).........................$1.8 billion [North-Point]

Destroyers

-Berg Class DDG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13991531&postcount=177)..................................$2.6 billion [Leistung]
-Höllefeuer Class DDG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13915854&postcount=10).........................$2.9 billion [Leistung]
-Jäeger Class DDG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14091653&postcount=220)..............................$1.9 billion [Leistung]
-Donnerschlag Class DDG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13915897&postcount=11)......................$3.5 billion [Leistung]
-Blitzschnell Class DDG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13915931&postcount=12)..........................$3.1 billion [Leistung]
-Taifun Class DDG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13915998&postcount=15)...............................$2.2 billion [Leistung]
-Wirbelsturm Class DDG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13916017&postcount=16).........................$2.9 billion [Leistung]
-Reprisal Class DDG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13670691&postcount=36)...............................$900 million [North-Point]
-Acheron Class DDG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13660609&postcount=5)................................$2.2 billion [North-Point]
-Guardian Class DDG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13681785&postcount=95)..............................$2.4 billion [North-Point]
-Schneesturm Class DDG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13989861&postcount=171).......................$2.5 billion [Leistung]
-Falken Class DDG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14198693&postcount=284)................................$2.5 billion [Leistung]

Cruisers

-Verteidiger Class CLG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13916191&postcount=17)..........................$4.1 billion [Leistung]
-Amboß Class CLG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13916215&postcount=18)...............................$3.8 billion [Leistung]
-Kleefeld Class CLG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13917075&postcount=20)................................$3.9 billion [Leistung]
-Bellerophon Class CG (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13671782&postcount=39)..........................$2.9 billion [North-Point]
-Houston Class CGN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13685249&postcount=107).............................$3.8 billion [North-Point]

Battlecruisers

-Ironside Class BBG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13917166&postcount=22)...............................[New] [Leistung]
-Beherrscher Class BBG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13917533&postcount=25)..........................$7.5 billion [Leistung]
-Sovereign Class BBG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13678170&postcount=68)............................$7.4 billion [North-Point]
-Dauntless Class CB (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13675653&postcount=61)..............................$6.1 billion [North-Point]

Battleships

-Storm Class BB (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13917656&postcount=27)....................................$7.4 billion [Leistung]
-Endeavor Class BB (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13699624&postcount=150)..............................$7.9 billion [North-Point]

Aircraft Carriers

-Hafenstadt Class CV (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13917685&postcount=28)............................$9.6 billion [Leistung]
-Eagle Class CV (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13668627&postcount=25).....................................[see post] [North-Point]
-Hauptstadt Class CVN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13917790&postcount=30)...........................$12.3 billion [Leistung]
-Falcon Class SSCN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14006496&postcount=193)................................$3.9 billion [Leistung]

Submarines

-Tiefsee Class SSK (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13918438&postcount=35)..................................$200 million [Leistung]
-Type 90 Mako A Class SSK (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13674703&postcount=55).....................$330 million [North-Point]
-Kornschnaps Class SSN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13918526&postcount=36).........................$1.8 billion [Leistung]
-Grosserberg Class SSN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13918652&postcount=37)..........................$2.2 billion [Leistung]
-Jupiter Class SSN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13671645&postcount=38)..................................$500 million [North-Point]
-Dallas Class SSN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13660616&postcount=7)....................................$1.1 billion [North-Point]
-Tödlich Class SSN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14114156&postcount=223)...................................$900 million [Leistung]
-Paladin Class SSGN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13660618&postcount=8).................................$2.4 billion [North-Point]
-Verhinderung Class SSBN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13918978&postcount=41).......................$3.3 billion [Leistung]
-Oktober Class SSBN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14119805&postcount=243)...............................[CNFS] [Leistung]

Auxiliaries

-Thalberg Class LSD (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13937231&postcount=70)................................$3.0 billion [Leistung]
-Bremen Class LPD (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13937127&postcount=69)..................................$2.3 billion [Leistung]
-Knight Class LHD (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13885385&postcount=255)....................................$3.1 billion [North-Point]
-Defender Class Replenishment Ship (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13825759&postcount=239).........$2.3 billion [North-Point]

Miniatur Class FAC

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The Miniatur fulfills the role of a small, harassing craft in a way never before thought possible. It can travel in excess of 39 knots, sailing circles around larger, better armed opponents, and when armed two P-270 Moskit AShW missile launchers, it is a fierce opponent to face. The original goal for the Miniatur Project was to create a boat able to chase down criminals in the lakes and rivers around Leistung, but when Bundesmarine Command eventually decided to arm it with powerful AShW launchers, it became a craft more apt at attacking en masse and bringing down larger ships through sheer numbers and firepower.



Displacement (full load): 455 tons
Length: 56.1 meters
Width: 11.5 meters
Draught: 2.5 meters
Propulsion: M15E COGAG plant with 2 x DS71 boost gas turbines (8830 kW each) and 2 x DR76 cruise gas turbines (2900 kW each)
Speed: 39 knots
Max. Range: 2000nm at 20 knots
Complement: 41, including 8 officers
Radar:
--Air: Garpun Bal-E radar at I-band frequency.
--Navigation: BEL Rani radar at I-band frequency
--IFF: Nikhel-K
--Fire Control: MR-123 radar at H/I-band frequency
--Sonar: TMS 4130C1
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing: N/A
Weapons:
--1x AK-76 76mm gun
--2x 4-cell P-270 Moskit launchers
Countermeasures/Defense:
--2x PK-10 chaff launchers
--2x AK-306 CIWS

Unit Cost: $475 Million

Bauernfänger Class OPV

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The Bauernfänger is a state-of-the-art piece of equipment used by the Bundesmarine for general coastal patrol duties. It is adept at taking out any smaller vessels crossing its path with MM-40 Exocet missiles, or any overflying planes with its SA-N-7 "Gadfly" launcher. it also is able to carry one Seahawk helicopter for ASW or recon duties. An all-purpose utility ship, it neither excels nor lacks in any one area.


Displacement (full load): 1677 tons
Length: 76.5 meters
Width: 13.6 meters
Draught: 3.8 meters
Propulsion: 2 diesel motors with 11,064hp; cp props
Speed: 20 knots
Max. Range: 7,800nm at 12 knots
Complement: 25, including 5 officers; room for 48 marines or boarders
Radar:
--Air: Terma Scanter 4100
--Navigation: BEL Rani radar at I-band frequency
--IFF: Nikhel-K
--Fire Control: Garpun-Bal
--Sonar: TMS 4130C1
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing: 1 Seahawk ASW
Weapons:
--1x BMARC KAA 20mm
--2x 50cal machine guns
--2x 2-cell MM-40 Exocet launchers
--1x SA-N-7 “Gadfly” SAM
Countermeasures/Defense:
--2x PK-10 chaff launchers

Unit Cost: $550 Million

Swiftsure Class OPV

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The Swiftsure was developed to fill the niche of a small anti-submarine vessel to patrol the coastlines against enemy SSBNs and SSNs. It incorporates all the latest in sonar technology, and with an ASROC launcher, it is able to take on submarine threats from long-range. The Swiftsure, despite its size, also has room for a helipad, and is able to operate a single Seahawk ASW helicopter.


Displacement (full load): 1350 tons
Length: 91.1 meters
Width: 10.5 meters
Draught: 4.5 meters
Propulsion: 2 diesel motors with 14,400hp and 2 shafts; cp props
Speed: 25 knots
Max. Range: 4000nm at 16 knots
Complement: 125 including 20 officers
Radar:
--Air: MR 352 Pozitiv-E (range: 130km)
--Navigation: BEL Rani radar at I-band frequency
--IFF: Nikhel-K
--Fire Control: Garpun-Bal
--Sonar: TMS 4130C1
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing: 1 Seahawk ASW
Weapons:
--1x AK-176 76mm gun
--1x 8-cell ASROC ASW
--2x 533mm torpedo tubes
Countermeasures/Defense:
--4x PK-10 chaff launchers
--1x Goalkeeper CIWS

Unit Cost: $780 Million

Savior Class OPV

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*updated writeup in the works*

The Savior Class is a recent addition to ENI's roster, and one which as long been desired from the Küstenwatch. It is able to travel more than 7,800 nautical miles, well beyond the maritime boundaries of any nation, and with a top speed of 26 knots, it is able to chase down drug smugglers and suspicious vessels. If necessary, the Savior also has a 57mm BOFORS cannon to eliminate hostiles who refuse to surrender, and two Jayhawk helicopters allow the vessel to send out two rescue missions at the same time. A below-deck medical bay cares for victims of disasters or shipwrecks until they can be evacuated to a mainland hospital or infirmary.


Displacement (full load): 1572 tons
Length: 74.2 meters
Width: 13.6 meters
Draught: 4.0 meters
Propulsion: 2 diesel motors with 16,064hp; cp props
Speed: 26 knots
Max. Range: 7,800nm at 18 knots
Complement: 27, including 5 officers, 10 additional med. personnel
Radar:
--Navigation: BEL Rani radar at I-band frequency
Air-wing: 2 Jayhawk SAR
Weapons:
--1x BOFORS 57mm Mk.3
Countermeasures/Defense:
--N/A (not for combat use)

Unit Cost: $240 Million

Vorgehen Class FFG

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The Vorgehen Class is a highly specialized frigate adept at taking down any threats from the air that might arise. The Mk-41 VLS-based anti-air missiles can fire on aircraft from long range, while the Goalkeeper CIWS can take down low-flying planes or helicopters. The Vorgehen is extremely stealthy for such a heavily-armed vessel, and is fast enough and has good enough air scanning radar to detect and evade enemy air threats. It fills the vital role of air defender for Carrier Battlegroups, and Admirals will rarely leave port without a squadron of Vorgehen FFGs in tow.

Displacement (full load): 1940 tons
Length: 95.0 meters
Width: 12.8 meters
Draught: 3.6 meters
Propulsion: 4 x MAN 20 RK270 diesel engines with 2 shafts
Speed: 30 knots (12kt economical)
Max. Range: 5000nm at 12 knots
Complement: 79 including 25 officers, room for 24
Radar:
--Air: Nautis II
--Navigation: Kelvin Hughes Type 1007
--IFF: AWS-9
--Fire Control: Nautis II, Radamec 2500 for main gun
--Sonar: TMS 4130C1
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing: 1 Seahawk ASW
Weapons:
--1x 32-cell Mk-41 VLS (ESSM, SM-2, TLAM)
--1x 16-cell Mk-41 VLS (ESSM, SM-2, TLAM)
--2x DS 30B REMSIG 30mm guns
--1x 16-cell SeaWolf SAM
Countermeasures/Defense:
--1x Scorpion Radar Jammer
--2x Super Barricade decoy launchers
--6x Goalkeeper CIWS

Unit Cost: $900 Million

Stark Class FFG

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After the debacle of the United Government War, Bundesmarine Command realized that a dedicated ASW frigate was necessary to take on the huge threat of prowling submarines. The Stark Class frigate has two ASROC capable VLS systems and four 533mm torpedo tubes able to take out submarine and surface threats. Point defenses against helicopters and low-flying jets and missiles include three Goalkeeper CIWS systems, one RAM, and four 40mm machine guns. The Stark Class, however, has the serious weakness of having no dedicated SAMs on board, though this can be negated by pairing them with a battlegroup of other frigates, namely the Vorgehen.

Displacement (full load): 2755 tons
Length: 112.7 meters
Width: 12.3 meters
Draught: 5.2 meters
Propulsion: 2x 22,000hp gas turbines; 2x 2,400hp diesel engines
Speed: 30+ knots
Max. Range: 7200nm at 18 knots
Complement: 207 including 45 officers
Radar:
--Air: Nautis II
--Navigation: Kelvin Hughes Type 1007
--IFF: AWS-9
--Fire Control: Nautis II, Radamec 2500 for main gun
--Sonar: TMS 4130C1
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing: N/A
Weapons:
--2x Oto Melara 76mm guns
--4x 40mm machine guns
--4x 533mm torpedo tubes
--1x 21-cell RAM
--1x 24-cell Mk-41 VLS (ASROC)
--1x 64-cell Mk-41 VLS (ASROC, ESSM, TLAM)
Countermeasures/Defense:
--1x Scorpion Radar Jammer
--3x Goalkeeper CIWS

Unit Cost: $1.9 Billion

Reich Class FFG

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The Reich Class frigate is able to take on a myriad of threats--anything from other ships with its Harpoon launchers or aircraft with its HQ-7 SAM launcher. The Reich also is remarkably stealthy, and has been the ship of choice to support special operations insertions for years. It is nearly impossible to target the frigate with missiles because of its array of CIWS's and chaff launchers, so the Reich Class FFG usually is placed on the fringes of Battlegroups.

Displacement (full load): 3990 tons
Length: 133.4 meters
Width: 17.5 meters
Draught: 6.2 meters
Propulsion: 4 x diesel turbines, 7600+ hp at 1084 rpm each
Speed: 30+ knots
Max. Range: 7000nm at 19 knots
Complement: 141 including 39 officers
Radar:
--Air: Fregat MAE-5
--Navigation: RM-1290
--IFF: ZKJ-4B/6
--Fire Control: Mineral-ME
--Sonar: MGK-335
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing: N/A
Weapons:
--1x 127mm 55cal gun
--2x 4-cell Harpoon launchers
--1x 8-cell HQ-7 SAM
--1x 21-cell RAM
--1x 64-cell Mk-41 VLS (ESSM, TLAM, ASROC)
--2x 3-tube 533mm torpedo tubes
Countermeasures/Defense:
--1x HZ-100 Radar Jammer
--2x Goalkeeper CIWS
--4x AK-630 30mm CIWS
--2x Type 726-4 18-tube decoy rocket launchers

Unit Cost: $1.7 Billion

Höllefeuer Class DDG

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The Höllefeuer Class destroyer is the ultimate in specialized anti-aircraft warfare, able to simultaneously target sixteen planes or helicopters and engage them with its two SA-N-7 "Gadfly" SAM's. One RAM CIWS, six Goalkeeper CIWS's and two AK-630 CIWS's make it nearly impenetrable to missiles launched from sea or air, and it isn't unusual to see an aircraft carrier flanked by four or five Höllefeuer's. If needed, the VLS systems can be reconfigured from an anti-air role over to a land-attack role with Tomahawk missiles replacing ESSM's.

Displacement (full load): 6600 tons
Length: 155.4 meters
Width: 16.5 meters
Draught: 6.0 meters
Propulsion: 2 gas-turbine engines at 48,600hp
Speed: 31 knots
Max. Range: 12165nm at 14 knots
Complement: 250 including 56 officers
Radar:
--Air: Rice Shield 3-D, Type 360S
--Navigation: RM-1290
--IFF: ZKJ-6
--Fire Control: Type 344
--Sonar: MGK-335
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing: 1x Dauphin ASW and recon
Weapons:
--1x 127mm/55 caliber main gun
--4 x Type 76A dual 37 mm AA guns
--2x SA-N-7 “Gadfly” SAM launchers
--1x 21-cell RAM
--2x 64-cell Mk-41 VLS (ESSM, TLAM, ASROC, Harpoon)
--2x 3-tube 533mm torpedo tubes
Countermeasures/Defense:
--1x HZ-100 Radar Jammer
--6x Goalkeeper CIWS
--2x AK-630 30mm CIWS
--2x Type 726-4 18-tube decoy rocket launchers

Unit Cost: $2.9 Billion

Donnerschlag Class DDG

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The Donnerschlag is one of the most advanced destroyers in the Leistungi fleet, with a full Aegis system and an Electronics jamming system superior to most in the Bundesmarine. Though its main role is as an anti-ship vessel (equipped with the latest fire-control systems and a full complement of TASM AShW), one of the Mk-41 VLS's, usually the 32-cell one, is occasionally loaded with ESSM's. A Seahawk ASW helicopter is almost always loaded onto a Donnerschlag DDG.

Displacement (full load): 10170 tons
Length: 170.8 meters
Width: 21.0 meters
Draught: 6.2 meters
Propulsion: 4 gas turbines with two shafts (100,000shp)
Speed: 30 knots
Max. Range: 4500nm at 20 knots
Complement: 300 including 65 officers
Radar:
--Air: AN/SPS-49
--Navigation: AN/SPY-1
--IFF: AN/SPY-1
--Fire Control: AN/SPG-62, AN/SPQ-9 for main gun
--Sonar: AN/SQQ-89(V)3 Sonar suite
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing: 1x Seahawk ASW and recon
Weapons:
--1x 127mm 55cal gun
--2x HOS302 triple torpedo tubes
--1x 32-cell Mk-41 VLS (ESSM intended, Tomahawk available)
--1x 64-cell Mk-41 VLS (ESSM, Tomahawk)
Countermeasures/Defense:
--1x AN/SLQ-32 Electronics warfare and jamming system
--2x Phalanx CIWS
--Mark 36 SRBOC chaff launcher (6-10 on each ship)
--AN/SLQ-25B torpedo decoy system

Unit Cost: $3.5 Billion

Blitzschnell Class DDG

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The Blitzschnell Class destroyer is a general, all-purpose destroyer built from the ground up to handle any threat that could be thrown at a carrier battlegroup. It is also remarkably fuel-efficient, and at 29 knots, it's fast enough to keep up with the Battlecruiser and Aircraft Carriers it's often paired with. The Blitzschnell is remarkably average, but is extremely efficient at its duties and is a staple of most Leistungi fleets.


Displacement (full load): 8400 tons
Length: 163.4 meters
Width: 19.5 meters
Draught: 7.8 meters
Propulsion: 2x cruise gas turbines (15000hp), 2x boost gas turbines (45000hp); 2 props
Speed: 29 knots
Max. Range: 10500nm at 14 knots
Complement: 230 including 43 officers
Radar:
--Air: MR-760MA Fregat, MR-320M Topaz-V/Strut Pair
--Navigation: AN/SPY-1
--IFF: Lesorub-5
--Fire Control: Drakon/Eye Bowl for SSM, MR-360 Podkat/Cross Sword for SAM
--Sonar: Platina/Horse Tail LF VDS
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing:
--1x Seahawk ASW helicopter
Weapons:
--1x dual 100mm/70cal gun
--4x 30 mm AA guns
--8x 21-inch torpedo tubes
--2x RBU-6000 ASW mortar
--2x 4-cell SS-N-22 “Sunburn” launchers
--2x 8-cell Mk-41 VLS (meant for ESSM)
--1x 64-cell Mk-41 VLS (ESSM, TLAM, ASROC, Harpoon)
Countermeasures/Defense:
--1x AN/SLQ-32 Electronics warfare and jamming system
--4x AK-306 CIWS
--Mark 36 SRBOC chaff launcher (5-6 on each ship)
--10x PK-10 decoy launcher

Unit Cost: $3.1 billion

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The Miraadery of Catawaba
An Official Communication from Fleet Admiral Josiah Starkey, Catawaban Navy
In Regards to the Purchase of Saviour-class Oceanic Patrol Vessels

Dear Sir or Madam;

In the Catawaban Navy's short history, we've had to use our coastal patrol ships in a coast guard and rescue ship capacity. This has severely limited the flexibility of how we can deploy littoral patrols as we take a greater responsibility in the Fatal Terrain region to which we belong. At the moment, I am chagrined to admit that our nation does not have the shipyard ability to produce rescue patrol vessels.

Having reviewed countless other proposals with increasing dissatification, I was pleasantly surprised to stumble upon your Saviour-class OPV. After analysis by my Naval Office and approval from the Alpha Miraade, the Miraadery of Catawaba would be like to place an order for thirty-five (35) Saviour-class OPVs. Before the 8,400,000,000 USD is wired to an account of your choosing, I have a few questions and negiotiations.

First, the Catawaban Navy is assisted in the air by the Catawaban Air Force's SH-49 Wallaby helicopter. Could the price of each vessel be adjusted for purchase without the two Jayhawk SAR helicopters included?

Second, I wish to know if there are existing pintel mounts for crew served weapons upon the rails.

Third, could you modify the class to be mounted with a chaff countermeasure, if not mount a chaff system before delivery?

From the heart to the sea,

Adm. Josiah Starkey
Alpha Commander, Catawaban Navy

OOC: Very nice work, expect some massive orders once you get everything posted and I look it all over.

Taifun Class DDG

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Though the Stark Class frigate was adept at taking on submarines in a supporting role, what was really needed by the Bundesmarine was a heavier vessel which could engage submarines far from supporting units--this was where the Taifun came in. With one ASROC launcher and a Mk-41 VLS holding either ASROC missiles or anti-air/ship missiles, the Taifun is able to take down any ship in its way, while still fulfilling its main task as an ASW ship.

Displacement (full load): 8400 tons
Length: 150.0 meters
Width: 16.4 meters
Draught: 4.8 meters
Propulsion: 4x gas turbine COGAG; 2 shafts propulsion (72000shp)
Speed: 30 knots
Max. Range: 8500nm at 17 knots
Complement: 260 including 43 officers
Radar:
--Air: MR-760MA Fregat, AN/SPS-52C
--Navigation: AN/SPY-1
--IFF: Lesorub-5, OPS-28B
--Fire Control: MFCS Mk74
--Sonar: Platina/Horse Tail LF VDS
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing: 1x Merlin ASW helicopter
Weapons:
--1x 5-inch/54cal Mk42 gun
--1x 8-cell ASROC
--2x 21-cell RAM
--2x Type 68 triple torpedo tubes
--1x 64-cell Mk-41 VLS (ESSM, Tomahawk, ASROC)
Countermeasures/Defense:
--1x AN/SLQ-32 Electronics warfare and jamming system
--4x Goalkeeper CIWS
--Mark 36 SRBOC chaff launcher (5-6 on each ship)

Unit Cost: $2.2 Billion

Wirbelsturm Class DDG

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The Wirbelsturm Class of destroyers was designed to preform any task given to the captain, and the weapon layout reflects that. With state-of-the-art jamming and radar capabilities and more than enough missiles to sink vessels of the same or greater size, it is a purebred ship killer. With very high speed and good fuel efficiency as well as ASW mortars and SAM's, it is capable of pursuing retreating vessels with impunity.

Displacement (full load): 7100 tons
Length: 163.0 meters
Width: 17.0 meters
Draught: 6.5 meters
Propulsion: 2x boost gas turbines, 54000hp; 2 shafts, 2 cruise diesels, 10000 bhp
Speed: 32+ knots
Max. Range: 5000nm at 17 knots
Complement: 360 including 71 officers
Radar:
--Air: MR-775 Fregat MAE, Bharat RAWL
--Navigation: MR-212/201
--IFF: SRA-01
--Fire Control: Garpun-Bal FC
--Sonar: Bharat APSOH
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing: 1x Seahawk ASW helicopter
Weapons:
--1x AK-100 100mm gun
--4x 4-cell Harpoon launchers
--2x RBU-6000 ASW mortar
--1x SA-N-7 “Gadfly’ SAM
--5x 533mm torpedo tubes
--1x 64-cell Mk-41 VLS (ESSM, TLAM, ASROC)
Countermeasures/Defense:
--1x AN/SLQ-32 Electronics warfare and jamming system
--4x AK-306 CIWS
--Mark 36 SRBOC chaff launcher (7-9 on each ship)

Unit Cost: $2.9 Billion

Verteidiger Class CLG

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Originally envisioned as a helicopter transport, the Verteidiger Assault ship was scrapped after Bundesmarine Command decided that the smaller vessels of the fleet coupled with aircraft carriers could do the same job for less money. Rather than disposing of the nearly-finished hulls, ENI converted the flight deck into a massive 256-cell VLS capable of firing enough Tomahawks to obliterate entire cities, or enough ESSM's to wipe out whole air regiments. It is one of the most versatile ships on the market, but requires an almost constant flow of armament ships to resupply the VLS after every mission.

Displacement (full load): 9550 tons
Length: 179.6 meters
Width: 19.4 meters
Draught: 6.0 meters
Propulsion: 4x Foster Wheeler boilers, 73000hp, 2 shaft geared turbines
Speed: 30 knots
Max. Range: 5000nm at 16 knots
Complement: 557 including 107 officers
Radar:
--Air: SPS-52, SPS-768
--Navigation: SPQ-2
--IFF: SRA-01
--Fire Control: SPG-55 for missiles, Orion 20X
--Sonar: AN/SQQ-89(V)3 Sonar suite
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing: N/A
Weapons:
--8x Oto Melara 76mm guns
--1x SA-N-7 “Gadfly” SAM
--4x 1-cell Otomat Teseo
--3x 8-cell Sea Sparrow SAM
--4x 64-cell Mk-41 VLS (ESSM, Tomahawk)
Countermeasures/Defense:
--2x SCLAR decoy launcher
--5x Goalkeeper CIWS
--Mark 36 SRBOC chaff launcher (7-9 on each ship)
--1x ECM system

Unit Cost: $4.1 Billion

Amboß Class CLG

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Unlike other guided missile cruisers, the Amboß Class is a ship most comfortable when it's facing off against much larger opponents. The idea behind its construction was to give smaller nations a chance at taking out aircraft carriers up close and personal. For that task, the Amboß comes complete with a full countermeasure suite, two RAM's, and room for a large number of anti-air missiles to be able to get within range to utilize the P-270 Moskit launcher to the fullest extent. Included with the purchase of the Amboß is the domestic production rights to the LM-2600 Heavy Anti-ship missile (optional)--a variation of the standard SS-N-22 packed with more than 650kg of high-explosives to engage aircraft carriers.

Displacement (full load): 8900 tons
Length: 164.0 meters
Width: 19.3 meters
Draught: 8.0 meters
Propulsion: 2x cruise gas turbines, 15000shp, 2x boost gas turbines, 45000shp; 2 props
Speed: 30-34 knots
Max. Range: 5000nm at 20 knots
Complement: 296 including 65 officers
Radar:
--Air: MR-700 Fregat-A/Top Plate 3-D
--Navigation: SPQ-2
--IFF: SRA-01
--Fire Control: MR-360 Podkat/Cross Sword for SAM, Garpun-BAL for SSM
--Sonar: Zvezda-2 Sonar suite
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing:
--1x Seahawk ASW helicopter
Weapons:
--1x dual AK-130 130mm gun
--2x quad 533mm torpedo tubes
--12x P-270 Moskit tubes
--2x 8-cell Mk-41 VLS (meant for ESSM)
--1x fore 64-cell Mk-41 VLS (ESSM, Tomahawk, VL-ASROC)
--2x 21-cell RAM
Countermeasures/Defense:
--Start-series EW suite with Wine Glass intercept
--Bell Shroud intercept
--Bell Squat jammer
--2x PK-2 decoy RL
--10x PK-10 decoy RL
--4x AK-306 CIWS

Unit Cost: $3.8 Billion
Unit Cost w/ LM-2600 DPR (one-time fee): $24.8 billion

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The Miraadery of Catawaba
An Official Communication from Fleet Admiral Josiah Starkey, Catawaban Navy
In Regards to the Purchase of Saviour-class Oceanic Patrol Vessels

Dear Sir or Madam;

In the Catawaban Navy's short history, we've had to use our coastal patrol ships in a coast guard and rescue ship capacity. This has severely limited the flexibility of how we can deploy littoral patrols as we take a greater responsibility in the Fatal Terrain region to which we belong. At the moment, I am chagrined to admit that our nation does not have the shipyard ability to produce rescue patrol vessels.

Having reviewed countless other proposals with increasing dissatification, I was pleasantly surprised to stumble upon your Saviour-class OPV. After analysis by my Naval Office and approval from the Alpha Miraade, the Miraadery of Catawaba would be like to place an order for thirty-five (35) Saviour-class OPVs. Before the 8,400,000,000 USD is wired to an account of your choosing, I have a few questions and negiotiations.

First, the Catawaban Navy is assisted in the air by the Catawaban Air Force's SH-49 Wallaby helicopter. Could the price of each vessel be adjusted for purchase without the two Jayhawk SAR helicopters included?

Second, I wish to know if there are existing pintel mounts for crew served weapons upon the rails.

Third, could you modify the class to be mounted with a chaff countermeasure, if not mount a chaff system before delivery?

From the heart to the sea,

Adm. Josiah Starkey
Alpha Commander, Catawaban Navy

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Official Communique
Eisenseite Naval Industries
Hafenstadt, Leistung


We are overjoyed to hear of your choosing of the Savior Class OPV as your new Coast Guard patrol boat. Regarding your questions:

-No, unfortunately, due to the cost of the Savior Project being split between ENI and Leistung Aeronautics, Jayhawks are included in every purchase, as is with our other ships. However, to counter-balance the deficit we will give to you, as a gift, five more Savior Class OPV's.

-Yes, mounts are already included on the rails of the vessel

-Yes, we can mount your Saviors with four Mark 36 SRBOC chaff launchers

The vessels will be constructed by our famed ship-building crews and you should expect delivery in a matter of months (OOC: just assume they teleport to you, I'm not going to RP the time).

Sincerely,
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Dennis Eisenseite
CEO and Founder of ENI

Kleefeld Class CLG

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The Kleefeld Class guided missile cruiser is, like other ENI heavy ships, a very versatile vessel, able to complete multiple tasks against any opponent, whether they be airborne, underwater, or surface threats. Its greatest strength, however, is also its greatest weakness--the Kleefeld's P-500 Bazalt launchers are able to carry the extremely powerful LM-2600 anti-ship missile (a Leistungi variation of the P-270 Moskit with a 650kg explosive warhead) in large numbers, but because of the angle of the launchers, it is impossible to reload them in the heat of battle. This isn't usually a problem, however, because the Kleefeld can sink enough tonnage with its sixteen AShW launchers to win the battle before it ever runs out of missiles. Support ships with large enough cranes can reload the missiles after each engagement.

The Kleefeld is one of the most numerous cruisers in the Leistungi fleet, and has preformed admirably in a number of combat situations, none of which facilitated the use of all sixteen missiles.


Displacement (full load): 11490 tons
Length: 186.4 meters
Width: 20.8 meters
Draught: 8.4 meters
Propulsion: 4x gas turbines (108,800-110,000 shp), 4 propellers
Speed: 34+ knots
Max. Range: 7500nm at 20 knots
Complement: 510 including 109 officers
Radar:
--Air: MR-800 Voshkod/Top Pair
--Navigation: Palm Frond
--IFF: SRA-01
--Fire Control: Argument/Front Door-C, MPZ-301/Pop Group, Kite Screech for main gun
--Sonar: MG-332 Tigan-2T/Bull Horn
--SATCOM: Punch Bowl
Air-wing: N/A
Weapons:
--1x dual AK-130 130mm gun
--8x 2-cell P-500 Bazalt launchers
--1x 64-cell VLS holding SA-N-6 SAM
--2x 8-cell Mk-41 VLS (meant for ESSM)
--2x RBU-6000 ASW mortar
--10x 533mm torpedo tubes
--2x 21-cell RAM
Countermeasures/Defense:
--Start-series EW suite with Wine Glass intercept
--Bell Shroud intercept
--Bell Squat jammer
--2x PK-2 decoy RL
--6x Goalkeeper CIWS

Unit Cost: $3.9 Billion

OOC: I kind of want to junk all of my vessels and by yours. But it would cost to much and send my nation into a depression. This is me saying this is amazing.

Ironside Class BBG

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*Writeup in process*

Displacement (full load): 9200 tons
Length: 182.0 meters
Width: 16.7 meters
Draught: 6.9 meters
Propulsion: 6x boilers, 110000 hp; 2 shaft geared steam turbines
Speed: 30.5 knots
Max. Range: 9000nm at 18 knots
Complement: 1250 including 482 officers
Radar:
--Air: MR-800 Voshkod/Top Pair
--Navigation: Palm Frond
--IFF: SRA-01
--Fire Control: Argument/Front Door-C, MPZ-301/Pop Group, Kite Screech for main gun
--Sonar: MG-332 Tigan-2T/Bull Horn
--SATCOM: Punch Bowl
Air-wing: N/A
Weapons:
--3x 127mm/54 caliber guns
--1x 64-cell Mk-41 VLS (ESSM, Tomahawk, SM-2)
--4x 4-cell armored box Harpoon launchers
--4x 21-cell RAM
--Various point-defense machine guns
Countermeasures/Defense:
--Start-series EW suite with Wine Glass intercept
--Bell Shroud intercept
--Bell Squat jammer
--2x PK-2 decoy RL
Armor:
--Belt: 127 mm
--Deck: 97 mm
--Barbettes: 279 mm
--Turrets: 127 mm

Unit Cost: [Under consideration]

OOC: I kind of want to junk all of my vessels and by yours. But it would cost to much and send my nation into a depression. This is me saying this is amazing.

OOC: Thanks Greston :D

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Official Communique
Eisenseite Naval Industries
Hafenstadt, Leistung


We are overjoyed to hear of your choosing of the Savior Class OPV as your new Coast Guard patrol boat. Regarding your questions:

-No, unfortunately, due to the cost of the Savior Project being split between ENI and Leistung Aeronautics, Jayhawks are included in every purchase, as is with our other ships. However, to counter-balance the deficit we will give to you, as a gift, five more Savior Class OPV's.

-Yes, mounts are already included on the rails of the vessel

-Yes, we can mount your Saviors with four Mark 36 SRBOC chaff launchers

The vessels will be constructed by our famed ship-building crews and you should expect delivery in a matter of months (OOC: just assume they teleport to you, I'm not going to RP the time).

Sincerely,
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Dennis Eisenseite
CEO and Founder of ENI

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The Miraadery of Catawaba
An Official Communication from Fleet Admiral Josiah Starkey, Catawaban Navy
To Dennis Eisenseite, Chief Executive Officer, Eisenseite Naval Industries
Re: In Regards to the Purchase of Saviour-class Oceanic Patrol Vessels

Dear Sir;

The Miraadery finds your counteroffer most acceptable.

I thank you for your foresight about the pintel mounts and ingenuity in the chaff launchers. I know that the Savior-class is not meant to be a combat vessel, but Catawaban has found that those who would wish to fire upon a rescue vessel such as this have no respect for its intention and may give no quarter. Thus any means to safeguard our sailors and any they rescue is paramount.

Even though we have what you might call an understandable cultural preference for our Wallby line of helicopters, but the Jayhawk is a Blackhawk derivative same as our Wallaby. General Thomas Waverly, our Secretary for War and Air Force Alpha Commander, does not forsee any difficulty in familiarizing our Wallaby pilots with the included Jayhawks. We thank you and accept your generous compsenation of five more Savior-class vessels.




From the heart to the sea,

Flt. Adm. Josiah Starkey
Alpha Commander, Catawaban Navy





OOC: PS. Leistung, these are excellent ships. Every one is so robust and detailed. I'd buy more if I weren't modernizing my navy towards PMT-esque ships. These really are amongst the best MT ships I've seen.

Beherrscher Class BBG

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*writeup coming soon*


Displacement (full load): 28000 tons
Length: 252.0 meters
Width: 28.5 meters
Draught: 9.1 meters
Propulsion: 2-shaft CONAS, Nuclear propulsion with steam turbine boost (140000 shp)
Speed: 32 knots
Max. Range: 1000nm at 30 knots (conventional), unlimited with nuclear
Complement: 760 including 236 officers
Radar:
--Air/Surface: Thales SMART-L, APAR tracking and guidance
--Navigation: STN Atlas 9600-M I/J-band ARPA radar
--IFF: SMART-L (integrated D-band)
--Fire Control: STN Atlas MSP 500, (APAR)
--Sonar: STN Atlas DSQS-24B
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing:
--1x Seahawk ASW helicopter
Weapons:
--1x 127mm gun
--6x cold-launched "Needlenose (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=4508)" VLS SAM Modules (192 missiles)
--12x cold-launched "Viper (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=4508)" VLS SAM Modules (96 missiles)
--1x fore VLS system with 62 cold-launched "Volkerfaust (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=4508)" VLS AShW Missiles
--6x 4-cell "Bluebelly (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=4508)" armored box launchers
--16x VL-ASROC missiles in fore VLS
--10x 533mm torpedo tubes
Countermeasures/Defense:
--FL1800S II ECM suite
--6x rapid bloom chaff launchers
--2x torpedo decoy launchers
--6x Zenturio CIWS

Unit Cost: $7.5 Billion

OOC: I'm pretty impressed too and you can expect orders from my coast guard and navy once you have everything up.

Storm Class BB

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The Storm Class battleship is meant for one thing, and one thing only--the complete and utter destruction of an enemies infrastructure and shipping. With its sixteen-inch triple main guns, it can wreak havoc amongst tightly-packed fleets or support landing operations without having to use up valuable and expensive missiles. For point defense, the Storm carries a state-of-the-art jamming system, ten CIWS's, several five-inch guns to use against harassing patrol boats and frigates, as well as five RAM systems to guard against naval strike fighters.

Originally used by the Alliance of Monarchistic States in 1945 to try and quell Leistungi resistance at sea, ENI seized the ancient hulls after the AMS was defeated. They were mothballed until only a few years ago when the need for a strong land-bombardment and anchor ship arose again, after which they were heavily modernized with the same bridge and electronics suite that the Kolossal was built with.

Displacement (full load): 27000 tons
Length: 246.0 meters
Width: 28.0 meters
Draught: 8.2 meters
Propulsion: 8x boilers; 4-shaft steam turbines, 150000 shp
Speed: 31.4 knots
Max. Range: 12000nm at 15 knots
Complement: 1517 including 472 officers
Radar:
--Air: MR-800 Voshkod/Top Pair
--Navigation: Palm Frond
--IFF: SRA-01
--Fire Control: Argument/Front Door-C, MPZ-301/Pop Group, Kite Screech for gun
--Sonar: MG-332 Tigan-2T/Bull Horn
--SATCOM: Punch Bowl
Air-wing: N/A
Weapons:
--3x triple 16-inch guns
--6x dual 5-inch guns
--2x 16-cell VLS Tomahawk launchers
--5x 21-cell RAM
Countermeasures/Defense:
--Start-series EW suite with Wine Glass intercept
--Bell Shroud intercept
--Bell Squat jammer
--2x PK-2 decoy RL
--10x Goalkeeper CIWS
Armor:
--Belt: 310 mm
--Bulkheads: 290 mm
--Barbettes: 439 mm
--Turrets: 500 mm
--Decks: 190 mm

Unit Cost: 7.4 billion

Hafenstadt Class CV

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The Hafenstadt Class CV was the first aircraft carrier built and sold exclusively by ENI, and the goal of its production was simple--create a ship capable of supporting and protecting ships at sea with aircraft. The amount of planes carried is somewhat low (only forty combat aircraft), but the Hafenstadt is not really meant to be a fleet aircraft carrer. Rather, it simply provides the cover necessary to fend off all but the largest of air attacks on Bundesmarine fleets operating far from home. The Hafenstadt is able to launch two planes simultaneously from its steam catapults, and there is room for planes to touch down at the same time as these are being launched.

There is room in the hanger for twelve E-2 Electronics support and warfare planes, and so the Hafenstadt can also double as a command-and-control centerpiece for air operations involving large numbers of planes, or international sorties. Twelve Goalkeeper CIWS systems and a comprehensive decoy and chaff system keeps the vessel safe, even if its escorts are taken out or occupied.

Displacement (full load): 32700 tons
Length: 238.0 meters
Width: 31.7 meters
Draught: 8.6 meters
Propulsion: 6x Indret boilers, 4x steam turbines (126,000 shp)
Speed: 32 knots
Max. Range: 7500nm at 18 knots
Complement: 1517 including 472 officers
Radar:
--Air: DRBV-23B
--Navigation: DRBN-34
--IFF: SRA-01
--Fire Control: DRBC-31
--Sonar: MG-332 Tigan-2T/Bull Horn
--SATCOM: Punch Bowl
Air-wing:
--40 F/A-16 Priest
--12 E-2
--6 Seahawk ASW or recon
Weapons:
--1x SA-N-7 “Gadfly”
--12x 21-cell RAM
Countermeasures/Defense:
--Start-series EW suite with Wine Glass intercept
--Bell Shroud intercept
--ARBR 33 jammer
--2x PK-2 decoy RL
--12x Goalkeeper CIWS
Carrier Specific:
--Flight deck (axial): 257 m x 35 m (47 m overall)
--Hangar: 210 m X 26 m
--Elevators: 1 axial, 1 side: 16 m X 11 m capacity 15 000 kg
--Steam catapults 2, 50 m ea.
--Jet fuel: 1800 m³
--Gasoline: 110 or 400 m³
--Ammunition: 3000 m³ Air park

Unit Cost: 9.6 billion (note that air wings must be obtained separately)

OOC: Now you've certainly got me hooked! You measure air wings in planes I already use.

Hauptstadt Class CVN

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The Hauptstadt Class CVN is the very latest vessel to come out of ENI's shipyards, and it can be considered the very pinnacle of carrier technology in Leistung. Built to complement the Hafenstadt CV, not replace it, the Hauptstadt Class CVN is nuclear powered, giving it essentially unlimited range, and it carries between 65-72 strike aircraft and 8 helicopters. Three steam catapults can launch at the same time, and there is enough space to have two planes land simultaneously (though it isn't recommended).

Comprehensive CIWS systems (sixteen in total) provide unprecedented defense for the carrier. In addition to its air wing, the Hauptstadt doubles as an AShW platform, carrying a myriad of Exocet and Shipwreck missiles to engage enemy ships who have penetrated the battlegroups fringe elements. Truly, the Hauptstadt is the ultimate warship.

Displacement (full load): 69600 tons
Length: 300.0 meters
Width: 73.7 meters
Draught: 11.2 meters
Propulsion: Nuclear propulsion with steam turbine boost (140000 shp), steam turbines, 8x boilers, 4x shafts, 4x propellers
Speed: 32 knots
Max. Range: 3850nm at 32 knots, unlimited with nuclear power
Complement: 3209 including 982 officers
Radar:
--Air: DRBV-23B
--Navigation: DRBN-34
--IFF: SRA-01
--Fire Control: DRBC-31
--Sonar: MG-332 Tigan-2T/Bull Horn
--SATCOM: Punch Bowl
Air-wing:
--65 F/A-16 Priest
--12 E-2 (or 12 more Priests)
--8 Seahawk ASW or recon
Weapons:
--1x VLS holding 12 SS-N-19 “Shipwreck” SSW missiles
--18x VLS holding 192 ESSM or Tomahawk missiles
--4x 2-cell MM-40 Exocet launchers
Countermeasures/Defense:
--Start-series EW suite with Wine Glass intercept
--Bell Shroud intercept
-- ARBR 33 jammer
--2x PK-2 decoy RL
--8x Kashtan CIWS
--8x AK-630 CIWS
Carrier Specific:
--Flight deck: 304.5 m x 70 m
--Hangar: 260 m x 42m x7.2 m
--Elevators: 2 side: 16 m X 11 m capacity 15000 kg
--Steam catapults 3, 2x 50 m each, 1x 75 m
--Jet fuel: 2400 m³
--Gasoline: 750 m³
--Ammunition: 5500 m³

Unit Cost: $12.3 Billion

OOC I couldn't help but notice you are open. So allow me to be the 74th to congradulate you on excellent work, and the first to order (Sort of anyway)

IC

On behalf of the Waldenburg Naval Commission, and it's subsidiary organizations, the Imperial Navy wishes to purchase the following to compliment it's own fleet.

6X Hauptstadt Class CVN 73.8 Billion USD
12X Kleefeld Class CLG 46.8 Billion
1X Storm Class BB 3.9 Billion
22X Höllefeuer Class DDG 63.8 Billion
Subtotal: 188.3 Billion USD

There is however another matter with which the Admiralty wish to speak. There is a crisis on the horizon which will soon involve the Empire, if you know it than all the better, and if not crisis should hopefully suffice. Simply we fear if these vessels are put to sea without crew and munitions they will be targeted and possibly destroyed before they ever reach Imperial waters or the defense of her navies. To this extent may I request that instead of the usual delivery that our own crews, being put to sea by escorted convoy be allowed to crew these vessels before they attempt the arduous journey to Waldenburg?

The Admiralty board is authorizing up to twenty billion for these ships to be quartered, supplied, the crew to be brought up to speed on her management, and if possible air wings arranged for the carriers? It is a provision we ask for in times of war. Another ten billion may be arranged if the money is not sufficient, and if possible we wished to production rushed.

Our crews will set out within a reasonable time, that is to arrive within a few days or weeks of the fleets completion. If we could be given such a time frame that would ease things along nicely.

With Regards:
Baron Grand Admiral Ajax Sloan

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Official Communique
Eisenseite Naval Industries
Hafenstadt, Leistung

Because of Leistung's recent acceptance into the ranks of LION, we feel that it would be better for you to give us details about your stance on the LION-Hegemony war. Until you divulge all necessary information about your relationship with the belligerent nations, we will have to put your order on hold.

Respectfully,
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Dennis Eisenseite
CEO of Eisenseite Naval Industries

Of course Madame Director. Although we are rather bemused with the lack of information on the subject. At the moment we cannot claim a side in the conflict, although we have mobilized against the Vetekans. The Hegemon, the apparent sworn enemy of LION, is also in detainment somewhere inside Waldenburg. When the MU, under the guise of an independent attack by Aschenhyrst and Gatawan forces, attacked the Imperial Republic of Greston we stood by her. We have no official position, however we stand by Greston and her more localized allies of Piccavia and Barronia, and will defend them form such unmitigated attacks. If that is not enough to cement our sentiments, then we do not know what will.

Signed:
Baron Grand Admiral Ajax Sloan

EDIT OOC Whoops! Alright thank you, sailors will arrive presently and leave at a goodly time later. Once again good job on all of this.

Official Communique to Waldenburg
Eisenseite Naval Industries
Hafenstadt, Leistung

Any nation whom Greston trusts has Leistung's trust. Unfortunately, we are quite new to the alliance, and so have a very limited scope of the situation, but we feel that your devotion to keeping Greson, Piccavia, and Barronia out of harm's way more than warrants our delivery to you.

As for your order, we accept your offer of Waldenburg's sailors taking the vessels out to sea, and will be able to protect the newly built ships with our own naval forces until they reach the 300 nautical mile peacetime boundary, at which point we will have to halt our convoy and allow you too carry on alone. However, your lack of a solid stance in the conflict should protect you, at least until the vessels reach safer waters.

The order should be completed in a timely manner, and you can expect the final vessel to hit the water in about six months (OOC: I'm not going to keep track of time, just pick them up whenever you want them).

As a final note, my name is Dennis, not Denis. An honest mistake, I'm sure.

Sincerely,
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Mr. Dennis Eisenseite
CEO of Eisenseite Naval Industries

Tiefsee Class SSK

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The Tiefsee was built as a homeland defense submarine, one able to protect the shores from both enemy submarines and spy ships. However, as the project got underway, the decision was made to move the project to a more hunter-killer role, and so the Tiefsee, it was decided, would have six 533mm torpedo tubes to eliminate all but the largest vessels. It runs extremely silently, almost to the point where if friendly ships didn't have IFF systems onboard, they wouldn't be able to tell it had joined an engagement.

It can accompany ships leaving on sorties, or it can continue in the duty it was originally envisioned for and protect friendly harbors and coastlines. The Tiefsee's long range allows it to accomplish either task extremely efficiently.

Displacement:
--2350 tons surfaced
--3280 tons submerged
Length: 6.3 meters
Beam: 9.9 meters
Draught: 6.3 meters
Complement: 52, with 8 officers
Range:
--7500 miles with snorkel
--400 miles submerged
Endurance: 45 days
Max. Speed:
--11 knots surfaced
--20 knots submerged
Diving Depth:
--750 feet operational
--950 feet maximum
--20 feet perescopic
Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 5900shp
Weapons:
--6x 533mm torpedo tubes, 18x reloads
--8x SA-N-8 SAMs, fired from tubes
Electronics:
--MRK-50E detection system
--MGK-400EM Rubikon active/passive sonar
--2 periscopes

Unit Cost: $200 million

Kornschnaps Class SSN

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The Kornschnaps Class SSN is the all-purpose fast attack submarine of the Bundesmarine, and has been used in nearly every role imaginable, from simple anti-submarine warfare to a land-attack role using its 12-cell VLS. Its pressurized water reactor is capable of nearly unlimited range, so it is able to pursue other submarines to the ends of the earth. It incorporates all the latest in active/passive sonar arrays, and also includes fifteen countermeasure launchers capable of deflecting or absorbing the explosions from torpedoes launched at it. State-of-the-art torpedo guidance systems nearly ensure a hit once the Kornschnaps has locked on to an enemy.

Displacement:
--6870 tons surfaced
--7800 tons submerged
Length: 114.9 meters
Beam: 10.4 meters
Draught: 9.8 meters
Complement: 113, with 21 officers
Range: Essentially unlimited
Endurance: 365 days of provisions available
Max. Speed:
--23 knots surfaced
--25+ knots submerged (up to 30 knots reported)
Diving Depth:
--750 feet operational
--950 feet maximum
--25 feet perescopic
Propulsion: S9G pressurized water reactor
Weapons:
--4x 21-inch torpedo tubes
--12x VLS tubes
--Able to carry torpedoes, mines, undersea vehicles, and tomahawk missiles
Electronics:
-- Light Weight Wide Aperture Arrays
--TB-16, TB-29 active/passive sonar
--14 external countermeasure launchers, 1 internal

Unit Cost: $1.8 billion

Grosserberg Class SSN

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The appeal of the Grosserberg is that it is able to double as an SSGN while having the high speed and low service depth of an SSN. It can take out surface ships and other submerged targets with impunity, and runs silently enough to avoid detection by all but the most advanced sonar systems.

Advanced sonar systems are certainly something the Grosserberg has, as it incorporates the exact same sonar systems used on the Kornschnaps Class but on a larger scale. The effectiveness and psychological impact of having a pack of Grosserbergs looming at the mouth of an enemy harbor is unmatched, and other duties include invisible convoy escort and (when fitted with a rescue submarine) shipwreck recovery.

Displacement:
--7460 ton surface displacement
--9137 tons submerged displacement
Length: 107.6 meters
Beam: 12.2 meters
Draught: 10.7 meters
Complement: 142, with 12 officers
Range: Essentially unlimited
Endurance: 365 days of provisions available
Max. Speed:
--31 knots surfaced
--35 knots maximum submerged
--20 knots tactical “silent”
Diving Depth:
--800 feet operational
--1100 feet maximum
--23 feet perescopic
Propulsion: S6W reactor, one shaft at 52,000 shp with pumpjet propulsion
Weapons:
--8x 660mm torpedo tubes
--Able to carry torpedoes, mines, Harpoon missiles, and Tomahawk missiles
Electronics:
--Light Weight Wide Aperture Arrays
--TB-16, TB-29 active/passive sonar
--14 external countermeasure launchers, 1 internal

Unit Cost: $2.2 billion

In the interests of keeping our coastguard up to date we would like to place an order for: forty (40) Saviour Class OPV's, twenty-four (24) Swiftsure Class OPV's, and sixty (60) Bauernfänger Class OPV's.

We calculate the costs to be NSD$ 61,320,000,000 (61.32 Bill) and will provide funds upon the confirmation of order.

Grey 88 of the Grey bureaucracy

The Tolvanic Coast Guard wishes to acquire sixty (60) Swiftsure class OPVs to replace its aging Determination class patrol cutters. We will wire payment of $14.4 billion upon confirmation of our order.

Chad Graves
Underminister of Defence for Procurement
Commonwealth of Tolvan

The Tolvanic Coast Guard wishes to acquire sixty (60) Swiftsure class OPVs to replace its aging Determination class patrol cutters. We will wire payment of $14.4 billion upon confirmation of our order.

Chad Graves
Underminister of Defence for Procurement
Commonwealth of Tolvan

Order accepted.

In the interests of keeping our coastguard up to date we would like to place an order for: forty (40) Saviour Class OPV's, twenty-four (24) Swiftsure Class OPV's, and sixty (60) Bauernfänger Class OPV's.

We calculate the costs to be NSD$ 61,320,000,000 (61.32 Bill) and will provide funds upon the confirmation of order.

Grey 88 of the Grey bureaucracy

Order accepted.

Verhinderung Class SSBN

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The Verhinderung Class SSBN is the pinnacle of stealthy missile delivery, carrying twenty-four Trident II nuclear missiles and capable of running silent enough to avoid anti-submarine vessels and SSNs/SSKs. With the Verhinderung, it is possible to perch your payload of nuclear weapons off an enemy's shore without them even noticing. Because of its extremely long endurance and nuclear propulsion system it is able to stay at sea for more than a year, always on the move, never giving any clue where the nation's oceanic nuclear arsenal is.

More than 85% of Leistung's nuclear weapons are loaded onto Verhinderung Class SSBNs, freeing up valuable military space on the mainland for other facilities.

Displacement:
--16764 tons surfaced
--18750 tons submerged
Length: 170.7 meters
Beam: 13.2 meters
Draught: 12.7 meters
Complement: 155, with 15 officers
Range: Essentially unlimited
Endurance: 450 days of provisions available
Max. Speed:
--21 knots surfaced
--25 knots maximum submerged
Diving Depth:
--810 feet operational
--1000 feet maximum
--20 feet perescopic
Propulsion: S8G nuclear reactor two geared steam turbines, one shaft (60,000shp)
Weapons:
--4x 660mm torpedo tubes
--24x VLS tubes for Trident II missiles
Electronics:
--BQQ-6 Bow mounted sonar
--BQR-19 Navigation
--BQS-13 Active sonar
--TB-16 towed array
--14 external countermeasure launchers, 1 internal

Unit Cost: $3.3 billion

*bump* (now I need 6 characters in my posts?)

The Tolvanic Navy also wishes to purchase twenty-five (25) Hafenstadt class carriers to replace our existing fleet of Unicorn class escort carriers.

We will wire payment of $247.5 billion upon confirmation.

Chad Graves
Underminister of Defence for Procurement
Commonwealth of Tolvan

The Tolvanic Navy also wishes to purchase twenty-five (25) Hafenstadt class carriers to replace our existing fleet of Unicorn class escort carriers.

We will wire payment of $247.5 billion upon confirmation.

Chad Graves
Underminister of Defence for Procurement
Commonwealth of Tolvan

Order accepted.

We must warn you, however, that our allies in LION have expressed suspicion as to Waldenburg's intentions, and so their convoy approaching Hafenstadt will have to be carefully watched. Eisenseite will reimburse you fully for any mishaps during transport of vessels.

You know,while I do appreciate how you telegrammed me about making this... it would at least be a bit nice of you to maybe credit me with giving you the idea (as you stated in your TG), not to mention maybe a link to shipbucket (which you got all your images from) and maybe a thank-you to the artists whose drawings you've used to illustrate your designs. While I agree that you've essentially outdone anything I did in my Sun International Naval Systems thread, I *do* find it a bit ... dismissive ... of you to not at least acknowledge that my storefront gave you the ideas, etc. I also see quite a lot of my drawings (anything by Colosseum) that you've used without even linking to shipbucket. At least write *something* thanking us for your illustrations.

You know,while I do appreciate how you telegrammed me about making this... it would at least be a bit nice of you to maybe credit me with giving you the idea (as you stated in your TG), not to mention maybe a link to shipbucket (which you got all your images from) and maybe a thank-you to the artists whose drawings you've used to illustrate your designs.

Well, you didn't actually give me the idea for the storefront...I had the statblocks quite a while ago. I just stumbled on shipbucket via google and said, "oh, hey, looks like this is what North Point uses!" About shipbucket, yeah, I'll put that in and give out a thank-you, though I did substantially alter many of the images.

EDIT: I changed my OP to give credit, which I should have done from the beginning

I did substantially alter many of the images.
It makes no difference if you substantially altered any of them beyond recognition... we drew the originals, so you have no right to take credit for them...

It makes no difference if you substantially altered any of them beyond recognition... we drew the originals, so you have no right to take credit for them...

Which is why they're credited. From your TG, I was under the impression that you were okay with this, but I added a line thanking you in particular.

About shipbucket, yeah, I'll put that in and give out a thank-you, though I did substantially alter many of the images.

That's not how I read this... to me it sounds like, "Yeah, whatever, I'll put a thank-you, but it doesn't make any difference because I altered them so substantially that they're basically mine."

:3

That's not how I read this... to me it sounds like, "Yeah, whatever, I'll put a thank-you, but it doesn't make any difference because I altered them so substantially that they're basically mine."

:3

I think you may be looking too far into this. I gave all credit to the shipbucket drawers, and never said that "they're basically mine." If you feel strongly about this, I'll get rid of the Colosseum images. I'm extremely sorry about this whole thing, and will do whatever you feel necessary to remedy the situation.

Nah, don't worry about it. I saw you placed a thank-you so don't worry about it.

Perhaps a joint venture between the two shipyards is in order? I don't have any time to be keeping up with my thread anyways, so if you want to sell any of my designs just let me know.

Nah, don't worry about it. I saw you placed a thank-you so don't worry about it.

Perhaps a joint venture between the two shipyards is in order? I don't have any time to be keeping up with my thread anyways, so if you want to sell any of my designs just let me know.

Thank you. I just wanted you to know I'm not some demon sitting behind my computer saying, "ah...time to rip off a bunch of suckers..." It was an honest mistake.

Anyway, a joint venture would be...extremely beneficial for both of us. What exactly did you have in mind?

You sell my ships; place a "Sun International Joint Venture" under the title; keep the revenue because it's not real; I don't have to worry about keeping my thread maintained and updating it. :P

You sell my ships; place a "Sun International Joint Venture" under the title; keep the revenue because it's not real; I don't have to worry about keeping my thread maintained and updating it. :P

Fine with me, though it'll take quite a bit of work to transfer ships and statblocks. I'll put your seal next to mine as well for good measure, and put a little parenthesis with your name next to Sun Intl. ships. I'm glad that this whole thing had a happy outcome :D.

The defining quality for this class, however, is that it is the only ship below the battleship level with nuclear propulsion
I hope you weren't referring to the whole of NS.

Great... though I can't help but notice several glaring errors in a lot of your ships... such as spamming Harpoon launchers, lots of small drawing errors, stuff like that. You even forgot to remove WWII-era weaponry from your Kolossal class left over from my drawing of Alaska. Little things like this... you really should spend more time making the drawings themselves perfect before presenting them. I can compile a list of things to fix if you want, but it may take some time.

I hope you weren't referring to the whole of NS.

No, I was referring to ENI's production line.

The Blitzschnell is remarkably average, but is still far superior to other general-purpose destroyers around the world, though its price tag reflects that superiority.

...Because?

Great... though I can't help but notice several glaring errors in a lot of your ships... such as spamming Harpoon launchers, lots of small drawing errors, stuff like that. You even forgot to remove WWII-era weaponry from your Kolossal class left over from my drawing of Alaska. Little things like this... you really should spend more time making the drawings themselves perfect before presenting them. I can compile a list of things to fix if you want, but it may take some time.

Ah yes, the Harpoon spam...I was thinking of just transferring them over to VLS launchers to save space. You're right about the Alaska thing, though I think you're thinking about the Storm Class. The Kolossal is based off of the Kalinin Class Battlecruiser.

...Because?

Look, it's just an advertisement. Any other complaints, or is that about it?

Also, stop saying your designs are superior to everything else because it seriously sounds fucking retarded. :P

VLS is almost always a superior alternative to box launchers, etc. Just for its flexibility.

ENI's vessels are some of the most expensive on the market because they're simply better.

Lol and why is that? It's not just an advertisement, it's a serious breach of roleplay etiquette to say something you sell is quantifiably better than anyone elses because NS is freeform. The purpose of storefronts is to provide information on whatever you are selling.

Oh for christ's sake. I might just rewrite every one of my descriptions.

OOC: I had a few nitpicks but I won't pile on unless you're interested in hearing them, but still pretty good work.

Well come on... the reason I never said anything like, "this ship will kick your ship's ass etc" is because 1) it's pompous 2) it sounds fucking retarded (as I said) 3) it's not quantifiable and 4) just come on. :P

Just edit the stuff to give the ship some RP history or something like that. You don't have to completely rewrite anything. :P

Well come on... the reason I never said anything like, "this ship will kick your ship's ass etc" is because 1) it's pompous 2) it sounds fucking retarded (as I said) 3) it's not quantifiable and 4) just come on. :P

Just edit the stuff to give the ship some RP history or something like that. You don't have to completely rewrite anything. :P

Haha, I was actually referring to Questers and his comments, not yours. I only found 2 instances of my "superiority complex" and changed both of them ;)

Lol and why is that? It's not just an advertisement, it's a serious breach of roleplay etiquette to say something you sell is quantifiably better than anyone elses because NS is freeform. The purpose of storefronts is to provide information on whatever you are selling.

The idea was that the marketing department was writing the ads, so yeah, they're going to say that their work is superior. Regardless, all mentions of such have been changed or deleted. Thanks for the input.

Much better now -- more professional feel to everything. :)

Bremen Class LPD

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Built for the purpose of transporting large quantities of troops in a small package, the Bremen does its job admirably. It is able to fold into a carrier battlegroup seamlessly and deliver a sizable fighting force directly to the enemy's beaches. Though not particularly fast, the Bremen does have a respectable flight deck, capable of carrying either three Super-Stallions or five Augusta A109's to support ground landings.

It is only lightly armed, but the capability to hold over 30 MBT's more than makes up for it--commanders get more bang for less buck, freeing up room in the budget for more important projects.

Displacement (standard): 7650 tons
Length: 133.0 meters
Width: 20.5 meters
Draught: 4.8 meters
Propulsion: 2x diesel engine
Speed: 21 knots
Max. Range: 7500nm at 16 knots
Complement: 180 including 17 officers
Capacity:
--350 troops
--30 MBT or 36 IFV/APC
Craft
--3x LCVP
--3x LCM
--1x Patrol Boat
Radar:
--Air: MM/SPQ 702
--Navigation: SPN-748
--IFF: Lesorub-5, OPS-28B
--Fire Control: Selex RTN-10X
--Sonar: Platina/Horse Tail LF VDS
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing:
--3x Super-Stallion or 5x Augusta A109
Weapons:
--2x 20mm guns
Countermeasures/Defense:
--1x Elettronica SpA ECM/ESM suite

Unit Cost: $2.3 Billion

Thalberg Class LSD

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The Thalberg is the pinnacle in Leistungi auxiliary shipbuilding, able to carry a full battalion of men, thirty-two medium to large tanks, or a whopping 150 light trucks. It is able to be manned by a skeleton crew, and is large enough to shrug off light gunfire, allowing it to get close enough to a shoreline to launch its three LCU-1600 landers.

Though 18 knots is hardly speedy, the Thalberg generally is protected by a convoy of destroyers and usually travels in packs with other Thalberg's. The vessel can also double as a container ship, able to carry 24 x 24 TEU containers to resupply troops already ashore.

Displacement (standard): 16160 tons
Length: 176.0 meters
Width: 26.4 meters
Draught: 5.8 meters
Propulsion: 4x diesel generators, 15,000hp
Speed: 18 knots
Max. Range: 8000nm at 15 knots
Complement: 60 including 9 officers
Capacity:
--560 troops
--32 MBT or 150 light trucks
Craft:
--3x LCU-1600
Radar:
--Air: MM/SPQ 702
--Navigation: SPN-748
--IFF: Lesorub-5, OPS-28B
--Fire Control: Selex RTN-10X
--Sonar: Platina/Horse Tail LF VDS
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing:
--2x Super-Stallion
Weapons:
--N/A
Countermeasures/Defense:
--1x Elettronica SpA ECM/ESM suite
--2x Phalanx CIWS

Unit Cost: $3.0 Billion

I *really* hope you're actually measuring these and not just guessing them by the scale line. Your Thalberg class drawing is five feet short of what it should be.

OOC: NP, check your TG's.

*bump because of merger update

Poor old Leistung, at least your store front is doing better than TUG's. One of the things that attracted me to the designs was the pictures and I've recently recieved a recomendation of North Point's designs so I'm very glad to hear that the two of you will be colaborating. Right now I'm thinking of splitting all my naval orders between this store and Questers'.

So expect some more orders in the future and as a customer I admire that you are answering these criticisms as best you can with revisions and am sure that this will only improve your store in the future. (so fret not)

I don't think he has anything to worry about. If someone says his ships are better than mine then he is doing just fine :P

Generally the replacement storefronts for the old naval storefronts which have fallen into disuse (Sarzonia, Isselmere, Praetonia) are really equal quality to the ones that are around now (Me, North Point, Leistung), although the latter two are not particularly "NSified", so I'm generally happy about how NS naval warfare has progressed in the space of five years.

Of course, I have to give Leistung the traditional IC glare about trying to cut in on my market, but OOCly I think this is one of the better storefronts on NS nowadays (especially since DMG is still alive and kicking.)

You should re-label Dauntless as "CB" and not "BC". :P

lol. Fixed, but I'm much too lazy to do it on the picture.

EDIT: Wait a sec, that's your design. I copied your names line for line, so did you make the type-o, or did I just make a clerical error?

*bump*

The Commonwealth of Tolvan wishes to purchase forty (40) Knight class LHDs and sixty (60) Thalberg class LSDs.

We will wire payment of US$306 billiion upon confirmation of our order.

The Commonwealth of Tolvan wishes to purchase forty (40) Knight class LHDs and sixty (60) Thalberg class LSDs.

We will wire payment of US$306 billiion upon confirmation of our order.

Order approved

You made the clerical error on the listing of ships that could be bought. :P

To Eisenseite Naval Industries,

The Grestonians have always had wonderful relations with Leistung, so to show our suppourt of your great nation and naval store front with wish to buy domestic production rights for the following naval ships.

Storm Class BB
Ironside Class BBG
Hafenstadt Class CV
Wirbelsturm Class DDG
Crown Class FFG
Thalberg Class LSD
Jupiter Class SSN

If the DPR request is not granted, we wish to purchase a total of eight per class.

From,
Benjermin Harkett
Deputy Minister of War Benjermin Harkett

Read up, numbnuts, DPRs unavailable for my designs.

Read the post, asshat.

"If the DPR request is not granted, we wish to purchase a total of eight per class."

I think that should clear it up.

OOC: DPR's are allowed to LION nations on Leistung's designs - not on North-Point's.

And Gres, you're getting awfully...fiery these days :/

To Eisenseite Naval Industries,

The Grestonians have always had wonderful relations with Leistung, so to show our suppourt of your great nation and naval store front with wish to buy domestic production rights for the following naval ships.

Storm Class BB
Ironside Class BBG
Hafenstadt Class CV
Wirbelsturm Class DDG
Crown Class FFG
Thalberg Class LSD
Jupiter Class SSN

If the DPR request is not granted, we wish to purchase a total of eight per class.

From,
Benjermin Harkett
Deputy Minister of War Benjermin Harkett

Order accepted

Note however that DPRs are not available for vessels designed by Sun Intl. Naval systems, so your DPR request has been denied on the Crown and Jupiter classes. The total cost of eight of each comes to approximately $16.0 billion. As you well know, of course, our main shipping and manufacturing center is under fire by the forces of Waldenburg, and so your order will have to be completed at one of our other shipyards, most likely in Hauptstadt rather than Hafenstadt. The difference in quality will be non-existent of course.

-Dennis Eisenseite,
CEO of Eisenseite Naval Industries


OOC: I'm not going to bother with figuring out the cost of DPRs since it isn't real money, but I'm sure a 2.99 billion nation could afford them no problem.

OOC2: I feel like I do more mommying in this thread than IC posting. To North-Point, please refrain from antagonizing customers, to Tolvan, same thing. To Barronia...since when has Greston not been firey? :D

OOC3: As another separate note to N-P, just let me deal with the customers. Insulting them does no good for anyone, and I would have just kindly explained the terms of our merger to Greston had you just given me time to respond.

I don't give a fuck, deal with it as best you like.

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From: The Zinairian Military Authority
To: Eisenseite Naval Industries
Re: Purchase
Priority: Normal
Encryption: Level 3

After a slight restructuring of our carrier strike groups, we are in need of an additional ten Guardian Class destroyers. The money, $24 billion, will be wired upon confirmation.

The Zinairian Military Authority does not divulge classified information, information with the potential to endanger military operators or information related to another government entity without explicit permission to do so. If you believe you have received information in error, please report it immediately.

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From: The Zinairian Military Authority
To: Eisenseite Naval Industries
Re: Purchase
Priority: Normal
Encryption: Level 3

After a slight restructuring of our carrier strike groups, we are in need of an additional ten Guardian Class destroyers. The money, $24 billion, will be wired upon confirmation.

The Zinairian Military Authority does not divulge classified information, information with the potential to endanger military operators or information related to another government entity without explicit permission to do so. If you believe you have received information in error, please report it immediately.


Order accepted

As you may or may not know, our main shipping and manufacturing center is under fire by the forces of Waldenburg, and so your order will have to be completed at one of our other shipyards, most likely in Hauptstadt rather than Hafenstadt. The difference in quality will be non-existent of course.

-Dennis Eisenseite,
CEO of Eisenseite Naval Industries

The Kingdom of the Royal British States would like to buy 15 Savior Class OPV, 2 Verhinderung Class SSBN and 3 Grosserberg Class SSN.

Money has been wired to you.

In addition to the last order, we would like to have 5 Bremen Class LPD and 2 Thalberg Class LSD.

Money wired.

Signed,
Eric Ricker
Defence Minister
RBS

The Treasury Department of Sur Abruzzi, upon authorization by our Deparment of Defense, would like to place the following order of ships in order to upgrade our naval forces. There are as follows:

5 -Ironside Class BBG
5-Storm Class BB
5-Hauptstadt Class CVN
25-Kornschnaps Class SSN
15-Verhinderung Class SSBN

Total Cost= $245,000,000,000 USD

All monies will be wired to your account upon confirmation.

With regards,

Samuel Johnson
Treasury Secretary

(OOC: You will notice the amount is greater then what I had mentioned in the telegram. After viewing the quality and prices of your ships, I was able to pro-cure $145 billion more from the budget.)

The Kingdom of the Royal British States would like to buy 15 Savior Class OPV, 2 Verhinderung Class SSBN and 3 Grosserberg Class SSN.

Money has been wired to you.

Order accepted

In addition to the last order, we would like to have 5 Bremen Class LPD and 2 Thalberg Class LSD.

Money wired.

Signed,
Eric Ricker
Defence Minister
RBS

Order accepted

The Treasury Department of Sur Abruzzi, upon authorization by our Deparment of Defense, would like to place the following order of ships in order to upgrade our naval forces. There are as follows:

5 -Ironside Class BBG
5-Storm Class BB
5-Hauptstadt Class CVN
25-Kornschnaps Class SSN
15-Verhinderung Class SSBN

Total Cost= $245,000,000,000 USD

All monies will be wired to your account upon confirmation.

With regards,

Samuel Johnson
Treasury Secretary

(OOC: You will notice the amount is greater then what I had mentioned in the telegram. After viewing the quality and prices of your ships, I was able to pro-cure $145 billion more from the budget.)

Order accepted

Thank you for confirming the order, and for helping aid the further development of our naval forces. The following amount has been wired directly into your account:

$245,000,000,000 USD

We look forward to doing business with you in the future, and thank you once again. We eagerly await the delivery of our new ships in the near future, and will provide feedback on their performance (which we are sure will be extremely excellent performance).

With regards,

Samuel Johnson
Treasury Secretary

Thank you for accepting the offer and your ships had helped to improve the quality of our naval fleet.

The Defence Ministry, on observing that your ships are of great quality, would consider purchasing a couple more ships in the future. So far, the ships had been in good use in patrolling our territorial waters. Once again, we thank you for your ships.

Signed,
Eric Ricker
Defence Minister
RBS

To: Eisenseite Naval Industries

Koharia is in dire need of naval power. Our small country has grown much larger and we would like to upgrade our naval power. We have browsed your store and have decided to buy the following:

x4 Kleefeild-class CLG $3.9 billion
x1 Amboß-class CLG w/ LM-2600 DPR $24.8 billion
x1 Amboß-class CLG $3.8 billion

The total will be $44.2 billion. I will give you $2 billion dollars extra if you could rush this order. I look forward to doing business with you again. I have a long list of ships I am going to buy in the near future. Thank you.

Micheal Biggs
Minister of War
Koharia

To: Eisenseite Naval Industries

Koharia is in dire need of naval power. Our small country has grown much larger and we would like to upgrade our naval power. We have browsed your store and have decided to buy the following:

x4 Kleefeild-class CLG $3.9 billion
x1 Amboß-class CLG w/ LM-2600 DPR $24.8 billion
x1 Amboß-class CLG $3.8 billion

The total will be $44.2 billion. I will give you $2 billion dollars extra if you could rush this order. I look forward to doing business with you again. I have a long list of ships I am going to buy in the near future. Thank you.

Micheal Biggs
Minister of War
Koharia

Order accepted

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The Defence Ministry would like to congratulate Eisenseite Naval Industries on winning 1 of the 2 contracts for building ships for the Royal British States. Please send us a telegram to confirm the details

GOD SAVE THE KING

Signed,
Eric Ricker
Minister of Defence
Royal British States

The Confederate Republic of Belschaft
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Ministry of Defence

To: Eisenseite Naval Industries / Sun International Naval Systems
From: General Joseph Strand, Minister of Defence

Greetings. You are probably unaware that after a period of inactivity of the international stage Belschaft has, in the aftermath of significant internal reforms, decided to return to said stage. As part of this we have decided to re construct are increasingly out of date military, starting with our navy as it is our most up to date service and therefore will be the quickest to complete. Our order as been split into several sections to make the calculation of price more simple. We would like to purchase the following vessels to supplement our existing fleet -

(prices are in billion universal standard dollars)


- 5 Hauptstadt Class CVN : $61.5
- 20 Blitzschnell Class DDG : $62
- 5 Amboß Class CLG : $19
- 10 Vorgehen Class FFG : $9
- 5 Stark Class FFG : $9.5
Total: $161

- 4 Verteidiger Class CLG : $16.4
- 4 Kleefeld Class CLG : $15.6
- 4 Wirbelsturm Class DDG : $11.6
- 8 Blitzschnell Class DDG : $24.8
- 8 Vorgehen Class FFG : $7.2
Total: $85.6

- 100 Lancer-II Class OPV : $45
- 20 Miniatur Class FAC : $9.5
- 40 Thalberg Class LSD : $120
Total: $174.5
Overall Total: $421.1

If there are any problems with our order feel free to contact us. We understand there may be some due to the large sum of money involved - 420 billion dollars is a considerable sum, but you should understand it represents a funds we have gathered over ten years for this purpose.

The Confederate Republic of Belschaft
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Ministry of Defence

To: Eisenseite Naval Industries / Sun International Naval Systems
From: General Joseph Strand, Minister of Defence

*snip*



Order confirmed and accepted

To: Eisenseite Naval Industries
From: Sunken Obsidian, Grey 1623, Of The Bureau of Military Management Coast Guard Orders/Imports.
Subject: Naval Refit.

The Speakers of Sarrowquand have just anounced that the military's share of the nations budget will increase by 1% of the GDP. Giving us an increase in resources. Given the quality of Eisenseite Director Alice Nuise (Grey 1000) has ordered the northern fleets to be substantialy refited with Eiseneite ships.

Our order is as follows:

*Miniatur FAC (harras) [100]
$475 Million*100=$47,500,000,000
*Vorgehen Class FFG (SAM) [35]
$900 Million*35=31,500,000,000
*Stark Class FFG (Anti-sub) [35]
$1.9 Billion*35=66,500,000,000
*Reich Class FFG (Multi-role) [35]
$1.7 Billion*35=59,500,000,000
Kornschnaps Class SSN (Multi-role Sub) [20]
$1.8 billion*20=36,000,000,000
*Tiefsee Class SSK (homeland defense sub) [30]
$200 million*30=6,000,000,000
*Höllefeuer Class DDG (SAM) [15]
$2.9 Billion*15=43,500,000,000
*Blitzschnell Class DDG (General) [15]
$3.1 billion*15=46,500,000,000
*Taifun DDG (Anti-Sub) [9]
$2.2 Billion*9=19,800,000,000
*Donnerschlag DDG (Anti-Ship) [9]
$3.5 Billion*9=31,500,000,000

Total
$388.3bill

Due to the popularity of your storefront we would also like an ETA of our new ships, we appreciate that your shipyards may be reaching capacity.

To: Eisenseite Naval Industries
From: Sunken Obsidian, Grey 1623, Of The Bureau of Military Management Coast Guard Orders/Imports.
Subject: Naval Refit.

*snip*

Total
$388.3bill

Due to the popularity of your storefront we would also like an ETA of our new ships, we appreciate that your shipyards may be reaching capacity.

Order confirmed and accepted

As you have already guessed, our secondary shipyards are working at nearly full capacity, and your order may have to be put on hold for the time being. Due to the rather large order you have placed, the ETA for the final vessel completion is approximately 2-3 NS years. We hope this is not too inconvenient for you.

Sincerely,
Dennis Eisenseite
CEO of ENI

Order confirmed and accepted

As you have already guessed, our secondary shipyards are working at nearly full capacity, and your order may have to be put on hold for the time being. Due to the rather large order you have placed, the ETA for the final vessel completion is approximately 2-3 NS years. We hope this is not too inconvenient for you.

Sincerely,
Dennis Eisenseite
CEO of ENI


OOC- Interesting. I technicly have some old shipyards which I don't use, If your running out of space then you can have them, in return for access to production rights. If you want a foreign base then I'll right up the offer in IC.

OOC: Nah, it's just because Waldenburg is attacking my primary shipyards. I'm alright normally.

OOC- Kay. Is there any other way to get production rights aside from being in LION? I wouldn't mind being able to build my own patrol craft like the Lancer-II.

OOC: Not for the Lancer II under any circumstances (it's North-Point's design, and its his choice not to offer DPRs), even for LION members. But as for the other ones...sorry, still no. It's just a personal choice, I hope you don't mind.

OOC- Not at all. You've put the work in, it's your choice. I'll just buy more in a couple of days.

I don't offer DPRs for any of my designs after a rather bad experience with a missile ship design being ripped off earlier on. Apparently, the dicksuck user who bought DPRs thought that gave him the rights to claim credit for the design as well as invent several rip off versions to sell himself.

^ what he said

I don't offer DPRs for any of my designs after a rather bad experience with a missile ship design being ripped off earlier on. Apparently, the dicksuck user who bought DPRs thought that gave him the rights to claim credit for the design as well as invent several rip off versions to sell himself.

I just wanted to build the smaller vessels I was going to use for my coast guard /naval reserve myself to save money/do something with my shipyard. I created one but never used it. I'll be buying some more tomorrow.

I'll tell you what we can do if you want to build them in your shipyards:

1) Leistungi cargo ships transport parts and Leistungi overseers to Belshaft shipyards
2) Belshaft workers manufacture the ships under Leistungi oversight (to get the blueprints correct and lay out the general plans of the vessel)
3) Ships are launched out of Belshaft shipyards rather than having to wait for transport from Leistung

This way, you get to use your unneeded shipyards and North-Point and I are happy. By the way, N-P tends to overreact about his DPR's--don't take it personally :D

I was wondering about a similar deal but I felt that either you would reject it or that it would bring my state closer to the LION Hegemony Conflict.

I'll tell you what we can do if you want to build them in your shipyards:

1) Leistungi cargo ships transport parts and Leistungi overseers to Belshaft shipyards
2) Belshaft workers manufacture the ships under Leistungi oversight (to get the blueprints correct and lay out the general plans of the vessel)
3) Ships are launched out of Belshaft shipyards rather than having to wait for transport from Leistung

This way, you get to use your unneeded shipyards and North-Point and I are happy. By the way, N-P tends to overreact about his DPR's--don't take it personally :D

Can't blame NP for being eddgy about them If he's gone to all the effort of making them, to have someone wander in and declare them their own must be pretty iritating.

So if I've got this right what your proposing is you subcontract the work on the ships I'm buying back to me, saving everyone time and money?

Essentially, yes. Your workers manufacture them in your shipyards, but we oversee the construction.

Essentially, yes. Your workers manufacture them in your shipyards, but we oversee the construction.

That sounds fine to me. I'll put an order up in IC in a minute, and reference this as in IC as something we'd agreed on IC (but obviously did so in OOC) if you want me too.

N-P tends to overreact about his DPR's--don't take it personally
Wow, are you serious? That's uncalled for. Wait until some fucknut steals your designs, then we'll see how you react.

Wow, are you serious? That's uncalled for. Wait until some fucknut steals your designs, then we'll see how you react.

Hey, you missed the smiley face afterward, indicating that I was being sarcastic. Don't ever take something I say without a grain of salt, and obviously your reaction is warranted.

(OOC: I was wondering if we could do some business relations. I have an idea about something that you guys could develop. I do not ask anything in return except maybe a 15% reduction for everything I buy here. If you want, I could draw up the specifics, but it might take a while.)

OOC: I'm interested, Koharia, but North-Point would also have to go with it as my business partner. Draw up any specifics you want.

(OOC: Ok. I will. I was also wondering if I could create a storefront, but I'm not online enough to keep it open and stuff so I was wondering if you could keep it up for me. It won't be a naval storefront and I will start out small. It would just be a subsidiary of your storefront. I would call it PARADOX INDUSTRIES.)

IC:

The Holy Empire of Koharia has increased interest in your products. Due to increased funding for our military sources, we have decided to procure certain ships from you. Our list is as follows:

x12 Kleefield-class CLG $3.8 billion
x12 Vorgehen-class FF $900 million

The total will be $57.6 billion. Money will be wired upon the confermation of my order. Thank you.

Micheal Biggs
Minister of War
Koharia

The Confederate Republic of Belschaft
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Ministry of Defence
To: Eisenseite Naval Industries / Sun International Naval Systems
From: General Joseph Strand, Minister of Defence

Greeting again. I would like to thank you for the acceptance and completion of our previous order. I can assure you it has been to our total satisfaction. At this time we feel it is prudent to continue building our fleet and will be placing the following order -

(all prices are in billion USD)

60 x Savior Class OPV : 14.4
20 x Miniatur Class FAC : 9.5
20 x Swiftsure Class OPV : 15.6
20 x Bauernfänger Class OPV : 11
1 x -Ironside Class BBG : 6.5
Total: 57

I assume that the previous agreement to subcontract construction to a shipyard in Belschaft is still to be used?

(OOC: Ok. I will. I was also wondering if I could create a storefront, but I'm not online enough to keep it open and stuff so I was wondering if you could keep it up for me. It won't be a naval storefront and I will start out small. It would just be a subsidiary of your storefront. I would call it PARADOX INDUSTRIES.)

*snip*

Micheal Biggs
Minister of War
Koharia

Order confirmed and accepted

OOC: I suppose that would be alright...again, North-Point would have to okay it first. However, the fact that it isn't a naval storefront doesn't really help, so you'd probably need to create a whole other thread and then on your first post say something like: (a subsidiary of ENI).

The Confederate Republic of Belschaft
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Ministry of Defence
To: Eisenseite Naval Industries / Sun International Naval Systems
From: General Joseph Strand, Minister of Defence

*snip*

I assume that the previous agreement to subcontract construction to a shipyard in Belschaft is still to be used?

Order confirmed and accepted

OOC: Yeah, same deal.

(OOC: Ok thanks. I'm almost finished with the stats I'll try to get them to you in an hour or so.)

The Holy Empire of Anemos Major, Holy Office of War.

In order to increase the military strength around Ascalon Island, the Holy Empire has decided to search for good aircraft carriers to complete their complement of ships there. We would like to purchase:

2x Haupstadt CVNs
2x Verhinderung class SSBNs.

Thank you.

(OOC: How is this. I need a picture for it if you can get it.)

Ninja Class SSCN

The Ninja-class is a special type of submarine. It is based off of the Soviet NATO Typhoon-class submarine. The balliastic missle system was removed so the submarine is capable of carrying rotorcraft. It is only capable of carrying 8 helicopters. The removal of the conning tower makes this possible and that is its greatest weakness. It has to surface to recieve communications.

Displacement:
--24,000 tonnes surfaced
--44,000 tonnes submerged
Length: 180.5 meters
Beam: 25 meters
Draught: 13.5 meters
Complement: 120, with 15 officers, 20 pilots and maintenance
Range: Unlimited
Endurance: 180 days of provisions
Max Speed:
--18 knots surfaced
--30 knots submerged
Diving Depth: 500 meters
Propulsion: 1 S6W PWR 45,000 hp, 1 secondary propulsion submerged motor, 1 shaft, 1 Screw
Air Wing:
--Eight(8) Helicopters
Electronics:
--TB-16, TB-29 active/passive sonar

Unit Cost: $7.8 billion

OOC: Well the issue is...it's an aircraft carrier. And a submarine. Unfortunately, this has been tried before, and the issues are numerous--where is the fuel carried, where is the ammo carried, how to they land, the salt water would erode the fuselage when submerged, the conning tower is required in order to lift the periscope, the planes would fall off the top when submerged or moving unless secured, and finally, the salt water would not only erode the planes, it would erode the missiles and create a situation where a weapon is in danger of premature explosion.

Also,

All orders approved and confirmed

OOC: Well the issue is...it's an aircraft carrier. And a submarine. Unfortunately, this has been tried before, and the issues are numerous--where is the fuel carried, where is the ammo carried, how to they land, the salt water would erode the fuselage when submerged, the conning tower is required in order to lift the periscope, the planes would fall off the top when submerged or moving unless secured, and finally, the salt water would not only erode the planes, it would erode the missiles and create a situation where a weapon is in danger of premature explosion.


I feel like being helpfull. Couln't he increase it's height/witdh and build hangar doors on the top of the hull? It surfaces, the doors open, they take off?

I feel like being helpfull. Couln't he increase it's height/witdh and build hangar doors on the top of the hull? It surfaces, the doors open, they take off?

Ah, now that's an idea. It would still need to be massive, though, to hold the jet fuel and missiles, and the hangar doors would need to be airtight. Still, the idea of a way of transporting planes stealthy is way too good to pass up.

Ah, now that's an idea. It would still need to be massive, though, to hold the jet fuel and missiles, and the hangar doors would need to be airtight. Still, the idea of a way of transporting planes stealthy is way too good to pass up.

If he does I'd buy a couple.

*adds to wish list*

Ok, now to find a deathstar.....

Ah, now that's an idea. It would still need to be massive, though, to hold the jet fuel and missiles, and the hangar doors would need to be airtight. Still, the idea of a way of transporting planes stealthy is way too good to pass up.

Flight ops would be extremely loud though. What good is it sneak into an area quietly, only to get sunk as soon as you launch your planes?

OOC: Well the issue is...it's an aircraft carrier. And a submarine. Unfortunately, this has been tried before, and the issues are numerous--where is the fuel carried, where is the ammo carried, how to they land, the salt water would erode the fuselage when submerged, the conning tower is required in order to lift the periscope, the planes would fall off the top when submerged or moving unless secured, and finally, the salt water would not only erode the planes, it would erode the missiles and create a situation where a weapon is in danger of premature explosion.

and all that stuff about what Belschaft said.All of the stuff would be in a large hangar. That was the reasoning behind using the Typhoon. It is the largest submarine ever built. If we take away all of its ballistic missile capability, we might have a chance at putting a hangar in there. We could even downgrade it to a diesel-electric or fuel-cell engine so we could have more room. And instead of having the hangar open from the top, it could have an elevator. This would also solve the airtight problems. The conning tower is iffy though we could put one in the design but it would have to be very far forward. Or we could design a bouy system where the bouy floats up and uses controls to look around.

Tolvan to respond to your comment, I would rather have a sneaky way to bring in aircraft then a huge aircraft carrier that would draw a lot of attention.

and all that stuff about what Belschaft said.All of the stuff would be in a large hangar. That was the reasoning behind using the Typhoon. It is the largest submarine ever built. If we take away all of its ballistic missile capability, we might have a chance at putting a hangar in there. We could even downgrade it to a diesel-electric or fuel-cell engine so we could have more room. And instead of having the hangar open from the top, it could have an elevator. This would also solve the airtight problems. The conning tower is iffy though we could put one in the design but it would have to be very far forward. Or we could design a bouy system where the bouy floats up and uses controls to look around.

Tolvan to respond to your comment, I would rather have a sneaky way to bring in aircraft then a huge aircraft carrier that would draw a lot of attention.

And if you ever RP a naval combat gets blown up almost immeadiatly.

Well thats true, unless they don't know about it ;). Well I don't know any other way to get the aircraft off the ship without anyone knowing about it.

OOC: Alright, here's my decision:

This submersible carrier is a very interesting idea, and if we enlarged the length and width while removing any weapon systems it could be viable--however, carrying planes is iffy, especially since any situation requiring air support is generally a full-scale war situation and so the requirement for stealth is debatable.

However, I can definitely see this as a special ops weapon loaded with helicopters rather than STOL/VTOL planes. The stealth aspect works out there. Therefore, if you would like to change around the stats a bit, I could come up with a picture and sell it on the storefront (granted, I'd like to hear what N-P has to say about it).

(OOC: Ok so what do I get in return. I would love to have 20% off any and all products from your storefront. I will gladly change around the stats and add the air wing. Ill be done in a little bit.

(OOC: Ok so what do I get in return. I would love to have 20% off any and all products from your storefront. I will gladly change around the stats and add the air wing. Ill be done in a little bit.

OOC: You said 15% before....

From: The Holy Empire of Anemos Major, Holy Office of War, Navy.

Advancing into our next years, it has been decided that the budget this year will be spent on the development/ creation of a supercarrier, capable of carrying 400-800 planes. It should have fully automated CIWS, 4 3 barreled long-range artillery cannons and the capability to replace the planes with UAVs.

(OOC: thanks Zinaire i forgot. 15% will be fine with me.)

OOC: 15% is very high--I don't even give my own alliance a discount. Try 5%, or at the very highest, 7%-8%.

(OOC: Ok lets do 5% and the first 4 submarines off the line.Can you deal with that? You can adjust the price and add more stuff to it as you like. Its yours. But as with North-Point, I do NOT want to sell DPR. Just to let you know, if I have any brainchilds like this one, I will give them all to you. Its been a pleasure doing business with you.)

OOC: Alright, here's my decision:

This submersible carrier is a very interesting idea, and if we enlarged the length and width while removing any weapon systems it could be viable--however, carrying planes is iffy, especially since any situation requiring air support is generally a full-scale war situation and so the requirement for stealth is debatable.

However, I can definitely see this as a special ops weapon loaded with helicopters rather than STOL/VTOL planes. The stealth aspect works out there. Therefore, if you would like to change around the stats a bit, I could come up with a picture and sell it on the storefront (granted, I'd like to hear what N-P has to say about it).

I beg to differ. My bombing of the Isthmatian Canal, for instance. If I had this I could have destroyed half of the canal before he noticed me, but because I had to send them off of carriers they were noticed and I took on heavy casualties.

From: The Holy Empire of Anemos Major, Holy Office of War, Navy.

Advancing into our next years, it has been decided that the budget this year will be spent on the development/ creation of a supercarrier, capable of carrying 400-800 planes. It should have fully automated CIWS, 4 3 barreled long-range artillery cannons and the capability to replace the planes with UAVs.

Air wings of more than 100 aircraft are extremely inefficient.

Also, why waste space by putting long range guns on a carrier?

Submarine carriers are fucking stupid.

Seriously. If they were any type of good the idea would not have died with the Sen Toku I-400s after the second World War.

Edit: Let me quantify this:

A submarine carrier gives you the ability to deploy aircraft somewhat stealthily close to an enemy shore; these aircraft or helicopters can then go on to either drop bombs/neutralize enemy air defenses (SEAD/Wild Weasel) in preparation for a larger air attack, or insert special forces... currently these are really the only things I can think of other than electronic warfare (birds such as the EA-6B), whose function can be carried out in other forms rather than via aircraft.

The reason submarine carriers never got off the ground in the case of launching aircraft for land attack is because we developed sub-launched cruise missiles; starting with the Regulus. Now we have its descendent, the Tomahawk. These missiles can do the same job as a ground attack fighter and you don't have to be surfaced to launch them.

In the case of special forces insertion, why not use a Navy SEAL DDS (Dry Dock Shelter) and the little minisubs they use now for recon missions around the coast? The only advantage of a helicopter insertion is a little more range for insertions, but this hardly makes a difference.

In other words, pretty much if you can't find a modern day contemporary of your idea somewhere, it probably doesn't work. Like a submarine carrier. While cool, it's just sort of unnecessary.

Air wings of more than 100 aircraft are extremely inefficient.

Also, why waste space by putting long range guns on a carrier?

OOC: It's for supporting amphibious landings. THe guns can help clear a beachead, and the 400-800 planes play a mass-bombing role, probably using napalm to for the enemy back as troops land.

OOC: It's for supporting amphibious landings. THe guns can help clear a beachead, and the 400-800 planes play a mass-bombing role, probably using napalm to for the enemy back as troops land.

OOC: Or they all run into each other trying to take off/land.

Nah, they launch in 50 plane flights. The point is that one flight leaves, then as it turns to return, the next one launches, etc. It gives pilots time to rest.

Apart from what North Point said, which is all true;

You can do all that stealth stuff with a carrier task group. With proper emissions control and denial of reconnaissance an aircraft carrier can be perfectly stealthy, even more so than a large nuclear submarine.

During NORPAC'82, a pair of US CVNs conducted mock-missions on Soviet airbases (obviously without violating Soviet airspace or waters) without being even detected for four days. The Soviets sent out everything they could muster to find this American CVN (Midway) but they never found it. Now you can imagine their frustration when on the last day the Americans revealed themselves, not only with one CVN, but the second CVN, which they had never known to be operating in the area, (Enterprise), sailing away into the distance.

Now, consider that in a real shooting match the Soviet airbases on the Petroplavask peninsula would have been levelled to the ground by nuclear munitions without the Russians ever knowing the US CVNs had been in the area. They flew mock strikes for four days without being detected. A recon insertion via helicopter would take less than twelve hours, and could even be done from a smaller carrier, maybe the size of the Charles de Gaulle, and two escorts, let alone a US CVBG.

This is not to say the Soviets were not capable naval warfighters. In fact I am very sure (the writer of this article, who served on Midway, agrees) that in a shooting match the Soviet AVMF Regiments were more than a match for a CVBG, depending on how the reconnaissance battle went. But in this particular instance the USN excelled in its ability to hide its task-forces from detection. And it did so while practicing for a real war over the period of 96 hours; far, far more than the 12 hours required for a simple insertion.

OOC: It's for supporting amphibious landings. THe guns can help clear a beachead, and the 400-800 planes play a mass-bombing role, probably using napalm to for the enemy back as troops land.

OOC: Using artillery on carreirs is stupid because now you have to close to gun range rather than utilizing the stand off ability of your planes. Use dedicated ships for NGFS. Carriers shouldn't carry anything more than short range AA defences.

OOC: It's for supporting amphibious landings. THe guns can help clear a beachead, and the 400-800 planes play a mass-bombing role, probably using napalm to for the enemy back as troops land. Lol, thanks for,

a.) Showing your exact position by sending off a whole fucking huge amount of planes and by firing your guns, which make neat lines on my counterbattery radar,
b.) Not only doing that, but coming in range of small, fast, and easily deployable surface to surface missiles from the shoreline,
c.) Bringing your carrier within easy FAC and SSK range,
d.) Making it really obvious where your landing is BY BURNING EVERYTHING IN SIGHT so my inland-mobile reserves can rally to the correct position,
e.) Bringing your fleet so close inland I can cut off their escape routes and leave your troops without supply and nowhere to retreat to after they are inevitably destroyed,

Good tactics.

[OOC: If you people haven't noticed, you've come to the stage where you're derailing a thread. Take it somewhere else, like IRC]

IC:




ANTIGRAN MILITARY TRANSMISSION
The United Royal Kingdom of Antigr


To: Whom it may concern
From: Royal Navy Ordnance Board
Sir and/or Madam,
While we are new to this naval defence industry, we are much impressed by your many products. Further to this point, we wish to enquire into the purchase of a total of 49 Blitzschnell-Class general-purpose fleet missile destroyers at the cost of USD151,900,000,000, to serve with the 1st, 2nd, 5th, and 6th (Reserve) Oceanic Fleets of our Royal Navy. Our research shows the two 100mm turrets on these vessels are capable of taking our own KaM-227 105mm L63 Naval Guns, and so we request that the turrets come without fitted armament. On further request, I ask the 4 30mm mounts as outlined in the design papers be removed for our order, for the sole reason that while we have no 30mm autocannon designs or ammunition, we have similar-sized weapons in 28mm calibre which shall be suitable for the same mountings. If these custom requests cannot be achieved, please let us know.

Thank you.

Nah, they launch in 50 plane flights. The point is that one flight leaves, then as it turns to return, the next one launches, etc. It gives pilots time to rest.

I'm not sure that you properly understand how air traffic control actually works. The problem is, you can't launch 50 planes all at the same time. Not only do they not do this on real life aircraft carriers, the don't even do this at real life airports, which are considerably larger and would conceivably have much greater ATC capability and available arrival and departure avenues (runways).

The only way around this problem is to essentially combine multiple carriers onto one hull; multiple runways, more catapults, additional ATC. This comes with its own set of problems, however, the biggest being actually trying to coordinate activities of multiple ATC facilities which are dangerously close to each other.

A good example of this is the convoluted air traffic corridors in New York City; JFK, La Guardia, and Newark airports. Three rather large, rather busy airports in relatively close proximity, at least by commercial air traffic standards. I would not describe the process here as being any bit "fast," as this is not at all the goal here. The goal here is to get all the planes in and out safely; if that means people have to wait ten, twenty, thirty minutes, or even an hour to depart or land, it's a better choice than having 200 or more people die in a horrific crash because somebody got impatient.

Carrier air operations don't have the luxury of being able to wait for delays, if you don't get your planes up in a reasonable amount of time, an enemy strike could have devastating effects on your carrier if you've still got planes on deck fueling, arming, or just sitting there loaded with fuel and munitions, waiting to launch.

Carrier air operations really aren't just as simple as mashing the throttles and going. Planes have to be spotted on the flight deck, properly aligned on the catapult, pre-flight checks completed (this includes engine run-ups), before they can actually go. You can only have so many catapults on a carrier, and there's really no way on earth, or in hell, that you could even have 50 catapults on one carrier and not having planes crashing into each other, without having an absurdly huge ship which would be more of a moveable island than an aircraft carrier.

Operational experience by the US Navy, using the USS Midway (CV-41) found the maximum practical air wing size of a conventionally arranged carrier to be 100 aircraft. More planes simply means you'll delay being able to actually use those additional planes due to the sheer amount of time it takes to actually set up a plane for launch.

In any case, there's no good reason to have a carrier with more than 100 combat planes, and especially a carrier with 800 planes. I recall an old phrase about what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket...

OOC: This is not a thread to discuss the merits of submersible carriers. North-Point is the only person who needed to respond, and because he is against it, I'm against it. Apologies.

OOC2: Anemos Major: both impossible, unwieldy, and I generally try and avoid custom-made ships.


IC:

To: Antigr
From: ENI Headquarters

Unfortunately, on the word of our allies in LION and Greston, we must decline your offer. While your order could have been filled, as we have a very large stockpile of naval guns, our treaty obligations prevent us from selling to you.

Order Denied

Lol, thanks for,

a.) Showing your exact position by sending off a whole fucking huge amount of planes and by firing your guns, which make neat lines on my counterbattery radar,
b.) Not only doing that, but coming in range of small, fast, and easily deployable surface to surface missiles from the shoreline,
c.) Bringing your carrier within easy FAC and SSK range,
d.) Making it really obvious where your landing is BY BURNING EVERYTHING IN SIGHT so my inland-mobile reserves can rally to the correct position,
e.) Bringing your fleet so close inland I can cut off their escape routes and leave your troops without supply and nowhere to retreat to after they are inevitably destroyed,

Good tactics.

Actually, this Supercarrier is intended to complement the Malleus class, which is used for two things, aircraft transport and command-control.

Whoa whoa whoa...

You're not selling to Antigr? Either you sell to my fellow Havenites or I let Questers handle my sales...

Haha, stuck between a rock and a hard place, eh?

Apparently Greston (my ally) is at war with Antigr, and asked me politely to refuse sales to him. Questers is also a member of LION, and so presumably would have the same issue. Still, I suppose I'm open to negotiation, seeing as ENI/SUN is a public company, not an extension of the Leistungi government. You're really opposed to me denying a sale?

((OoC: I would just like to add on with ChevyRocks, is another simple logistics problem. If you carry that much fuel and ordinance for that many aircraft, then well, I'd attack it just to watch the fireworks. A smaller air-wing means when an attack comes, you might just not explode as much by chance. Along with that, comes the smaller the carrier, and the off-chance you might not take damage.

Also, nice storefront!))

OOC: Changes made will not alter any "credit" to the vessel. I would never attempt to pass this off as my own, as I've read someone else did try to do.

Official Communique

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Priority: High
Recipient: Eisenseite Naval Industries - Customer Service Department
Origin: Layartebian Defense Corporation - Procurement Department
Classification Level: Encrypted
Subject: Procurement of Amboß Class CLG


The Imperial Layartebian Navy's previous purchase of seven Acheron class destroyers were added to our seven Carrier Strike Groups with tremendous success. Their firepower and capabilities have allowed us to extend the force projection of our Carrier Strike Groups beyond that of simple escort and light assault duty to include hard-strike. A recent review of our capabilities have shown that the capabilities of our Carrier Strike Groups, while already above average, are not at level that would properly suite their mission and goals.

Our review led us to the evaluation of the Amboß Class CLG. Its tremendous firepower capabilities make it an ideal addition to our Carrier Strike Groups in lieu of already established firepower and doctrine. It is with this evaluation that we humbly request procurement of seven hulls to add to our Carrier Strike Group format. The total procurement cost of $26,600,000,000.00 will be wired in eight installments of $3,325,000,000.00. The first installment will be paid upon confirmation and the subsequent installment after each hull is delivered. If this is acceptable, we would like to begin procedures for this vessel immediately.

In addition, the Layartebian Defense Corporation will be contracted to make some modifications to better integrate this vessel into our navy. They are listed as follows:


Replacement of the AK-130 130mm gun with a 155mm AGS ETC naval cannon
Replacement of quad 533mm torpedo tubes with smaller 324mm tubes in three shot clusters instead of two shot
Replacement of 21-cell RAM with Mark 205 CIWS gun & missile system
Refit of sensors to standard ILN series


Should these modifications be acceptable we would like to make those when they arrive in dock at one of our shipyards. In addition, before procurement procedures are initiated, we would like to inquire whether or not this vessel has been evaluated for nuclear propulsion. This is a very important measure for us although should it be deemed unsuitable it would not alter our decision to procure these vessels. If any additional costs are required due to modifications, please provide them.

Sincerely,
Alexander Rojas
Vice President of Procurement


Classification Levels

Standard: Standard classification is the normal level of encryption. It is equivalent to the standard levels of encryption seen on most secure e-mail clients.

Confidential: Confidential classification is a higher level of encryption than "Standard" but it is not heavily encrypted. It is used mostly for flash traffic to foreign countries and requires some additional decoding time. It uses 512-bit RSA encryption methods and has several key ciphers that change unpredictably.

Secure: Secure communiques use 1024-bit RSA encryption and several key ciphers within them that change unpredictably to ensure that message traffic is not hacked or decoded. Access to said messages would require heavy cracking software and significant resources but it is not "uncrackable." It can be a viable level through 2010.

Encrypted: Encrypted classification is the second highest level of classification. It is uses 2048-bit RSA encryption and multiple key ciphers within it to ensure that cracking it would take such a significant amount of time to accomplish that, should it be done, the message's usefulness would have already expired. Though anything is crackable, because of the methods employed, this level is often considered "uncrackable" by current capabilities. To ensure revolving protecting, ciphers and encryption algorithms will change unpredictably. This level is sufficient until 2030.

Maximum: Maximum classification is the highest level of classification available. It uses 3072-bit RSA encryption and multiple key ciphers that change unpredictably. It can provide protection past 2030.

Experimental: Currently not a fully recognized level, experimental denotes a category using 15360-bit RSA encryption and multiple key ciphers that change unpredictably. It is not in full operational use as of yet.

Haha, stuck between a rock and a hard place, eh?

Apparently Greston (my ally) is at war with Antigr, and asked me politely to refuse sales to him. Questers is also a member of LION, and so presumably would have the same issue. Still, I suppose I'm open to negotiation, seeing as ENI/SUN is a public company, not an extension of the Leistungi government. You're really opposed to me denying a sale?

OOC: It was more of a kinda tense standoff, I recall no conflict. It was a long time ago, too, and I later released a statement pertaining otherwise, so I don't understand his logic.

To: Antigr
From: Leistung

We generally trust the discretion of our allies, however after consulting with our business partners and a number of nations from around the globe, you have been deemed a non-threat. We formally apologize for any confusion, and will gladly accept your order.

-Sincerely,
Dennis Eisenseite
CEO of ENI

Order re-approved and confirmed

OOC: I really do apologize, but you have to realize that I wasn't even on the forums when the "war" happened, so I have to rely on my ally's information. For the record though, we do reserve the right to refuse any sale. I'll get to Layerteb in a moment.

[OOC: Thanks. Don't get worried, we all get confused - take me as an example. You have the right to refuse a sale, I won't question that. Sorry for the OOC spam, I really don't have much time at ten in the morning]

OOC: Changes made will not alter any "credit" to the vessel. I would never attempt to pass this off as my own, as I've read someone else did try to do.

Official Communique

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Priority: High
Recipient: Eisenseite Naval Industries - Customer Service Department
Origin: Layartebian Defense Corporation - Procurement Department
Classification Level: Encrypted
Subject: Procurement of Amboß Class CLG


*snip*

Sincerely,
Alexander Rojas
Vice President of Procurement




To: Layartebian Defense Corporation
From: ENI Department of Customer Service

Though your order is the first of a customized type ENI has encountered in a goodly amount of time, not only is your order possible, it is highly advised that all ordering nations do what you have by customizing their orders. Your refits can be provided either in the shipyards of Layerteb or Leistung, but we would like to inquire about the nature of the torpedo tubes you requested. Are the tubes located on-deck or below the waterline? We personally recommend above-deck launchers because below-deck tubes generally reduce the overall structural integrity of the vessel, but we can provide either, should you require it.

Order approved and confirmed.

-Sincerely,
Dennis Eisenseite,
CEO of ENI

OOC: Changes made will not alter any "credit" to the vessel. I would never attempt to pass this off as my own, as I've read someone else did try to do.

Official Communique

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Priority: High
Recipient: Eisenseite Naval Industries - Dennis Eisenseite
Origin: Layartebian Defense Corporation - Procurement Department
Classification Level: Encrypted
Subject: Procurement of Amboß Class CLG


We are pleased to see our order accepted. The Amboß class will enter service with the Imperial Layartebian Navy as the Azazel class and be named a destroyer as our cruiser classes are significantly larger. To answer some of your questions, please let me be as detailed as possible.

The refits of weapons can be easily done within your shipyards but such would require schematics for these weapons. These components are already assembled and prepared at our Norfolk Naval Shipyard and ready for installation. The reason behind this lies in the Layartebian Defense Corporation's strict policy on production rights. Our policy is simply that we do not offer these.

We previously offered the Sun International Naval Systems an exclusive deal to use our Mark 205 CIWS system (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=2960) but this was turned down. Due to this nature, the Mark 205 CIWS remains entirely within our possession. The addition of small arms M31A1 15.5MM HMGs can certainly be added by your shipyard as the specifications, schematics, and mounts are not classified and can be provided by the Layartebian Defense Corporation. The AGS 155mm ETC main gun is another system that is entirely indigenous and schematics are considered classified. Lastly, the torpedo tubes is a simple swap and replacement. The 533mm diameter torpedo is the standard torpedo diameter for the Imperial Layartebian Navy when submarines are concerned. Surface vessels have been standardized to a 324mm diameter torpedo (Mark 50 Barracuda). We wish simply to have the 533mm quad tubes replaced with 324mm triple tubes rather than structurally modify the vessel, which we agree, would weaken its integrity.

As far as sensors are concerned, the sensor suite used by our naval vessels is highly classified. Therefore, we cannot allow them to be out of our hands. You will understand the nature of the matter, I hope.

Please do not feel this is a lack of confidence in Eisenseite Naval Industries. The Layartebian Defense Corporation has full confidence in E.N.I. but we cannot allow highly classified materials and systems out of our hands.

We would like to add four Mark 141 Quad Launchers for Harpoon style missiles if this is doable, we apologize for leaving this out of our initial request (ooc: I forgot about them).

Unanswered was our question concerning nuclear propulsion. Would this be possible or too costly to justify the expense?

Thank you


Sincerely,
Alexander Rojas
Vice President of Procurement


Classification Levels

Standard: Standard classification is the normal level of encryption. It is equivalent to the standard levels of encryption seen on most secure e-mail clients.

Confidential: Confidential classification is a higher level of encryption than "Standard" but it is not heavily encrypted. It is used mostly for flash traffic to foreign countries and requires some additional decoding time. It uses 512-bit RSA encryption methods and has several key ciphers that change unpredictably.

Secure: Secure communiques use 1024-bit RSA encryption and several key ciphers within them that change unpredictably to ensure that message traffic is not hacked or decoded. Access to said messages would require heavy cracking software and significant resources but it is not "uncrackable." It can be a viable level through 2010.

Encrypted: Encrypted classification is the second highest level of classification. It is uses 2048-bit RSA encryption and multiple key ciphers within it to ensure that cracking it would take such a significant amount of time to accomplish that, should it be done, the message's usefulness would have already expired. Though anything is crackable, because of the methods employed, this level is often considered "uncrackable" by current capabilities. To ensure revolving protecting, ciphers and encryption algorithms will change unpredictably. This level is sufficient until 2030.

Maximum: Maximum classification is the highest level of classification available. It uses 3072-bit RSA encryption and multiple key ciphers that change unpredictably. It can provide protection past 2030.

Experimental: Currently not a fully recognized level, experimental denotes a category using 15360-bit RSA encryption and multiple key ciphers that change unpredictably. It is not in full operational use as of yet.

(OOC: Ok thank you for hearing me out on the whole submersible carrier thing. I can deal with that. I hold no regrets or grudges. But i have a another idea. I was at the store and i was going to buy some soda. I got into the line and it was long, so i started messing with the box. I took the little handle thing off and folded it in half and though that it would be a great ship design.)

IC:
To: Eistenseite Naval Industries

Koharia has prolonged its plan to increase the power of its military, especially naval power. We have plans to import a number of ships from your fine shipyards and are going to do this at a precise and quick manner starting with the larger and more expensive vessels. I hope we will have a smooth relationship and we will be looking forward to buying from you in the future.

x14 Amboß Class CLG $3.8 billion
x8 Warhammer Class FF $1.8 billiom

The total comes out to be $67.6 billion dollars.

Micheal Biggs
Minister of War
Koharia

OOC: Changes made will not alter any "credit" to the vessel. I would never attempt to pass this off as my own, as I've read someone else did try to do.

Official Communique


Priority: High
Recipient: Eisenseite Naval Industries - Dennis Eisenseite
Origin: Layartebian Defense Corporation - Procurement Department
Classification Level: Encrypted
Subject: Procurement of Amboß Class CLG


*snip*

Thank you


Sincerely,
Alexander Rojas
Vice President of Procurement




To: Layartebian Defense Corporation
From: Eisenseite Naval Industries

In light of the classified nature of your weaponry and sensors, perhaps it would be best to go ahead with your original request and allow your engineers to make modifications as necessary. The ships theoretically can be powered by a nuclear reactor, however they have not been field tested with nuclear propulsion. Therefore, if you choose to equip the vessels with a nuclear generator, please note that we cannot be liable for any problems which may arise. The costs of a secure area to hold the nuclear reactor will likely be extremely high, and because conventional power is technically more fuel-efficient, we would highly recommend that our engines be used as-is.

Your request for Harpoon launchers can be easily filled, and if you have no complaints we would like to equip them before they set off for your shipyards to complete the remainder of the modification process.

-Sincerely,
Dennis Eisenseite,
CEO of ENI

OOC: By the way, has anyone else noticed that there's no more multi-quote feature? Kind of annoying...

(OOC: Ok thank you for hearing me out on the whole submersible carrier thing. I can deal with that. I hold no regrets or grudges. But i have a another idea. I was at the store and i was going to buy some soda. I got into the line and it was long, so i started messing with the box. I took the little handle thing off and folded it in half and though that it would be a great ship design.)

IC:
To: Eistenseite Naval Industries

Koharia has prolonged its plan to increase the power of its military, especially naval power. We have plans to import a number of ships from your fine shipyards and are going to do this at a precise and quick manner starting with the larger and more expensive vessels. I hope we will have a smooth relationship and we will be looking forward to buying from you in the future.

x14 Amboß Class CLG $3.8 billion
x8 Warhammer Class FF $1.8 billiom

The total comes out to be $67.6 billion dollars.

Micheal Biggs
Minister of War
Koharia

Order confirmed and approved

OOC: Are you referring to a trimaran design?

(OOC: Nope. If you look at designs for old submarines you will understand. Most of the older WWII submarine designs have flat tops and I was just thinking that if a destroyer or a frigate sat lower to the water, that it would not only be more stealthy on radar, it would also be more invisible to the naked eye.)

Fuchs Class FFG

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Overview

The Fuchs is a Leistungi class of frigates used for stealthy insertions behind enemy blockades and ship-ship warfare against light-medium enemy ship types. The primary weapon of the Fuchs is its stealth, and often times captains will travel circles around enemy targets, using its low radar cross-section and extremely high speed to their advantage.

Task

In 2001 the Leistungi government offered up a contract to create a new littoral combat ship to fill the role of a special forces insertion craft. ENI responded by announcing the Fuchs Class, a frigate (slightly larger than intended) capable of going deep behind enemy lines undetected by radar and dropping troops before the battle began. In order to protect itself, and function in multiple roles, VLS and Harpoon missile systems were also included, in addition to a 76mm main gun. With an abnormally large hangar and large mission control center on-board, the Fuchs is the number one choice vessel of special forces teams all over Leistung.

Propulsion

A complex propulsion system is equipped on the Fuchs class, consisting of two gas and two diesel turbines, four swiveling waterjets, and four diesel generator, in total producing 62,000 horsepower. The inclusion of the waterjet system is a first for a Leistungi ship, and functions much in the same was thrust vectoring does for a fighter plane, allowing for extremely tight turns to port or starboard. The jets also run nearly silently as opposed to normal propellers and are capable of moving the ship independently, albeit slowly, if noise is to be kept to a minimum.

Electronics Suite

The Fuchs Class is the first ENI ship equipped with the new AS-292 air search radar, allowing the Fuchs to target up to seven objects traveling less than mach 2.4 at a range of 450km. Also new on the Fuchs is the STFF and MMCS fire control systems, allowing for the targeting of up to eight targets and the elimination of them by either guns or missiles. The MMCS also permits the firing of all eight Harpoon missiles simultaneously in a circular range around the vessel up to 100km due to its dual function surface search/fire control role.

Defense

The Fuchs comes complete with two Stato missile decoy launchers, consisting of four tubes able to fire off decoys which linger in the air above the intended target for several seconds, drawing in the incoming missiles. After the missile is a sufficient distance from the decoy (about 500 meters) the decoy (consisting of a sphere roughly the size of a basketball) fires off a minuscule projectile, internally guided and locking on almost immediately to the threat, impacting with enough force to self-detonate the missile. In addition to the Stato, the Fox also carries rapid-bloom chaff launchers and a single Goalkeeper II CIWS system.


Displacement (full load): 2784 tons
Length: 127.4 meters
Width: 31.6 meters
Draught: 4.5 meters
Propulsion: 2x gas turbines, 2x diesel turbines, 4x waterjets, 4x diesel generators, 62,000hp total
Speed: 42+ knots, 47-50 knots sprint
Max. Range: 4,500nm at 35 knots
Complement: 40, including 6 officers; room for 65 marines
Radar:
--Air: AS-292
--Navigation: ENI Mk1 at I-band frequency
--IFF: Nikhel-K
--Fire Control: STFF for main gun, MMCS for missile control
--Sonar: TMS 4130C1
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing:
--3x NH-90 or comparable helicopters
--1x Fire Scout
Weapons:
--1x 76mm OTO Melara (stealth) gun
--4x .50 cal guns
--8x Harpoon AShW missiles
--1x Mk-41 32-cell VLS launcher, ESSM and ASROC capable
Countermeasures/Defense:
--2x Stato missile decoy launchers
--3x rapid bloom chaff launchers
--2x torpedo decoy launchers

Unit Cost: $1.5 billion

Where are the Harpoon launchers, again? None of your drawings have illustrated missiles so it's sort of hard to tell. :P

You really should give that some thought... adding little missiles in the air above the ship helps people see what it can do, etc.

Also, check your TGs. :)

Yeah, I should put those little missiles there, shouldn't I... :D

Anyways, the missiles are in a VLS system behind the main gun. They're sunken into the hull a little to keep the stealth thing going.

Schneesturm Class DDG

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Overview

The Schneesturm is an all-purpose destroyer built mainly to replace some of the aging Soviet-era destroyers still in use in Leistung. With a variety of weaponry and a powerful 130mm gun, the Schneesturm can function both as a fleet escort and a heavy ship-killer.

Task

The Schneesturm was originally envisioned as a specialized anti-air warfare ship, with the level of specialization seen commonly in ENI's vessels. However, changing times were reflected in the Schneesturm's construction, and it was decided that heavy anti-ship missiles and a Mk-41 VLS system would be added to cope with submarine and ship threats in addition to enemy planes. The vessel is also one of the first non-carrier vessels in the history of ENI to use the Kashtan CIWS, a combination gun-missile CIWS able to target planes and missiles from up to 200km away.

Propulsion

The main word to be used in describing the Schneesturm's propulsion system would be "simple." Two shaft steam turbines and four boilers create a total of 100,000hp, translating into roughly a 32 knot maximum speed and an excellent fuel efficiency rating.

Electronics Suite

The Schneesturm uses the same suite as the Fox Class FF, with the exception of the fact that the Schneesturm's missile fire control system is the MMCS-D rather than the standard MMCS block. The MMCS-D block is specialized for the short-range tasks generally done by destroyers, and can lock on to up to six targets at 120km and twelve targets at up to 50km.

Defense

As previously mentioned, the Schneesturm class is one of the first small vessels armed with the advanced and versatile Kashtan CIWS. Other than that, the ship's defensive systems are the same as all post-Hafenstadt attack ships, with a Stato missile defense system (see Fox (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13989410&postcount=167)Class) and rapid-bloom chaff launchers.

Displacement (full load): 7940 tons
Length: 156.0 meters
Width: 17.3 meters
Draught: 6.5 meters
Propulsion: 2x shaft steam turbines, 4x boilers, 100,000hp
Speed: 32 knots
Max. Range: 14,000nm at 16 knots
Complement: 350, including 21 officers
Radar:
--Air: AS-292
--Navigation: ENI Mk1 at I-band frequency
--IFF: Nikhel-K
--Fire Control: STFF for main gun, MMCS-D for missile control
--Sonar: TMS 4130C1, active/passive array
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing:
--N/A
Weapons:
--1x dual 130mm AK-130 main gun
--2x 4-cell P-270 Moskit AShW launchers
--2x SA-N-7 SAM launchers
--1x Mk-41 64-cell VLS launcher, ESSM, Harpoon, TLAM, ASROC capable
--4x 533mm torpedo tubes (located above-deck)
Countermeasures/Defense:
--2x Stato missile decoy launchers
--3x rapid bloom chaff launchers
--2x torpedo decoy launchers
--2x Kashtan CIWS

Unit Cost: 1.8 billion

OOC: No multi-quote is annoying because you have like fifteen quotes and then a line of OOC thread. It's nice they don't have it here but Jolt hasn't ever had it, IIRC. I can't remember ever seeing it on Jolt. I know the old forums had it. Schneesturm Class DDG = nice!

Official Communique

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Priority: High
Recipient: Eisenseite Naval Industries - Dennis Eisenseite
Origin: Layartebian Defense Corporation - Procurement Department
Classification Level: Encrypted
Subject: Procurement of Amboß Class CLG


The final details then have been settled. We will keep the Amboß as a conventionally powered vessel as a study conducted has affirmed exactly what you have told us. We are pleased that Eisenseite is as concerned with safety and responsibility as it is with its own business. Rather than advise us to act on nuclear power because of the profit you advised us to the more secure and safety way. That is something we greatly appreciate. The Harpoon launchers can certainly be equipped before they are brought over, we would not object. Please advise on the probable delivery schedule.

Thank you


Sincerely,
Alexander Rojas
Vice President of Procurement


Classification Levels

Standard: Standard classification is the normal level of encryption. It is equivalent to the standard levels of encryption seen on most secure e-mail clients.

Confidential: Confidential classification is a higher level of encryption than "Standard" but it is not heavily encrypted. It is used mostly for flash traffic to foreign countries and requires some additional decoding time. It uses 512-bit RSA encryption methods and has several key ciphers that change unpredictably.

Secure: Secure communiques use 1024-bit RSA encryption and several key ciphers within them that change unpredictably to ensure that message traffic is not hacked or decoded. Access to said messages would require heavy cracking software and significant resources but it is not "uncrackable." It can be a viable level through 2010.

Encrypted: Encrypted classification is the second highest level of classification. It is uses 2048-bit RSA encryption and multiple key ciphers within it to ensure that cracking it would take such a significant amount of time to accomplish that, should it be done, the message's usefulness would have already expired. Though anything is crackable, because of the methods employed, this level is often considered "uncrackable" by current capabilities. To ensure revolving protecting, ciphers and encryption algorithms will change unpredictably. This level is sufficient until 2030.

Maximum: Maximum classification is the highest level of classification available. It uses 3072-bit RSA encryption and multiple key ciphers that change unpredictably. It can provide protection past 2030.

Experimental: Currently not a fully recognized level, experimental denotes a category using 15360-bit RSA encryption and multiple key ciphers that change unpredictably. It is not in full operational use as of yet.

The Naval Forces of the Confederacy of Sniper Country would like to purchase:

(20) Donnerschlag Class DDG [$70,000,000,000]
(20) Verteidiger Class CLG [$82,000,000,000]
(10) Sovereign Class Nuclear Powered Guided Missile Battlecruiser (CGN) [$74,000,000,000]
(10) Endeavour Class BB-61 IOWA Modification [$79,000,000,000]
(2) Hauptstadt Class CVN [$24,600,000,000]
(10) Defender Class Fast Auxiliary Replenishment Ship (AOR) [$23,000,000,000]
(20) Bremen Class LPD [$46,000,000,000]
(10) Knight Class LHD [$31,000,000,000]

TOTAL: $429,600,000,000

In making such a large order at this time, with the added expectation of purchasing more in the future, the SCNF requests a flex-pay plan. If approved, the SCNF would be willing to make four (4) one hundred billion (100,000,000,000) dollar payments every six months, with the final payment adding in the final portion ($29,600,000,000) as well. With this plan. If this is unacceptable, please let us know and we will work out an immediate payment arrangement. Thank you.

The proud nation of Sur Abruzzi would like to purchase the following amount of ships:

35 Fox Class FFG Frigates

35 Schneesturm Class DDG Destroyer

for the total amount of= $140,000,000,000 billion USD

The monies will be wired to your account upon confirmation of this order.

With regards,

Samuel Johnson
Treasury Secretary

To: Layartebian Defense Corporation
From: ENI

Because of the Waldenburger attack on our primary shipyards we are forced to dip into our hull reserves. While this depletes the effectiveness somewhat of our Naval Reserve, if does allow for much faster completion of vessels. The ships will be manned by skeleton Leistungi crews, as is standard in these situations. They will leave ports in about two days and should arrive shortly after, depending on how far your national ports are--obviously we'll need some sort of coordinate set to guide us. Because of the nature of the hull reserves, the ships are already assembled in the standard way and any refits will be done at your shipyards.

-Sincerely,
Dennis Eisenseite
CEO of ENI


To: Sur Abruzzi
From: ENI

Order confirmed and approved


To: Sniper Country
From: ENI

Order confirmed and approved

The Confederate Republic of Belschaft
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Ministry of Defence

The Confederate Republic would like to purchase 20 Fox Class FFG at this time, for a total of $30 billion.


OOC- Can't be bothered to create a proper post with message etc. If you want me too I will.

Again Koharia has turned to Eisenseite for its naval needs. Presently, Koharia needs the following:

x4 Hauptstadt-Class CVN $12.3 billion
x8 Dallas-Class SSN $1.1 billion
x4 Paladin-Class SSGN $2.4 billion

The total is $67.6 billion. I will through in an extra $1 billion dollars for the rush on my ships .Thank you.

Micheal Biggs
Minister of War
Koharia

Berg Class DDG

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Overview

The Berg Class destroyer is a Leistungi destroyer built to supplement, but not replace, older AA and AShW designs. It is angled in such a way that stealth is maximized, and because most of the weapons are stored in VLS launchers, customization is a simple affair, allowing the vessel to take on any role required.

Task

The introduction of the Schneesturm Class was long awaited by admirals in Leistung, but special forces and army task leaders were unimpressed by the ship's lack of stealth. For that reason and others, ENI was contracted to create a ship capable of heavier land bombardment and transport protection duties, and the Berg Class resulted. It is adept at clearing landing beaches as well as fulfilling the Carrier Battlegroup protection duties required of all Leistungi ships, and is less specialized than some of the older ENI shipping designs, allowing it to meet the changing face of warfare.

Propulsion

The Berg's propulsion is a CODAG design, combining diesel engines and gas turbines to reach a very high maximum speed. Diesel engines are used for cruising speed, leading to a high fuel efficiency rating on long voyages, and the system has a smaller footprint with the same maximum output as a solely diesel design.

Electronics Suite

The Berg Class is equipped with the standard electronics suite, consisting of the same basic radar and sonar devices used on the Schneesturm and Fox Classes. The only difference is in the main gun fire control systems, in that it uses the STFF-II instead of the STFF. The original STFF is able to lock onto three targets at the same time and fire one shot at each before restarting the cycle, but the STFF-II allows for the targeting of six land or sea sites and the firing of between 1-5 shots at a particular target before cycling to the next one. This allows for maximum efficiency, as the crew element is only present to decide which target takes precedence.

Defense

See Fox (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13989410&postcount=167)Class for information on the Stato missile defense system. The Berg is also equipped with rapid-bloom chaff launchers to divert incoming missiles and torpedo decoy systems to divert underwater threats. The Goalkeeper CIWS is also equipped on the Berg Class, the standard CIWS for ENI, and is a field-tested and extremely efficient anti-missile gun site capable of targeting eighteen incoming missiles and engaging them with a 30mm Gatling gun. Its automatic detection to kill time for an SS-N-22 missile is 5.5 seconds, ending at a kill at 300m, and the two sites can be manually targeted at a single missile, drastically reducing its detection-kill time.


Displacement (full load): 7000 tons
Length: 153.0 meters
Width: 16.5 meters
Draught: 6.1 meters
Propulsion: 2x diesel engines, 2x gas turbines, 57,000shp
Speed: 30+ knots
Max. Range: 12,000nm at 16 knots
Complement: 250, including 25 officers
Radar:
--Air: AS-292
--Navigation: ENI Mk1 at I-band frequency
--IFF: Nikhel-K
--Fire Control: STFF-II for main gun, MMCS-D for missile control
--Sonar: TMS 4130C1, active/passive array
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing:
--1x Seahawk ASW helicopter
Weapons:
--1x 127mm/55cal main gun
--2x 4-cell MM-40 Exocet launchers
--1x 24-cell VLS, SA-N-6 SAM capable
--1x 32-cell VLS, TLAM, ESSM, ASROC capable
--2x triple 533mm torpedo tubes (above-deck)
Countermeasures/Defense:
--2x Stato missile decoy launchers
--3x rapid bloom chaff launchers
--2x torpedo decoy launchers
--2x Goalkeeper CIWS

Unit Cost: $2.6 billion

Preußisch (Prussian) Class FFG

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Overview

The Preußisch Class is a light frigate designed to fulfill the role of a picket ship to form the outer screen. The Preußisch is meant to take up the flanks of a battlegroup, scanning for threats with its extremely powerful PrussiaIV surface search radar system, which takes up much of the central superstructure in the Preußisch.

Task

After experiences in a number of naval conflicts, Bundesmarine Command decided that a light ship able to identify threats from a very long range and relay that information to other ships was indispensable. The Preußisch project was born, the end of which brought in the Preußisch class FFG, a small, fast ship carrying an ultra-powerful search radar and a large amount of Harpoon missile to protect itself.

Propulsion

The Preußisch uses a COGOG propulsion system, consisting of two high efficiency, low output turbines for cruising and two high output low efficiency turbines which can be selected for high-speed operations, along with two driveshafts.

Electronics Suite

The PrussiaIV surface search radar system consists of an antenna group, a radio receiver/transmitter, radar set control, and box switch. It is capable of detecting surface threats at a range of 250 kilometers, far beyond the range of most surface search radar. The minimum range is about 50 meters, before which radar is essentially useless. The PrussiaIV is also able to link up with other PrussiaIV's, creating a cross-linked system, the information from which can be routed to a central command ship and relayed to the remainder of the fleet. In this way, the Preußisch functions as the battlegroup's eyes and ears. The standard MMCS is also included on the vessel, but in a frigate variation where targeting of light attack boats and corvettes is easier by the ability to target a single object with all onboard weapons and fire each weapon only if the previous doesn't impact.

Defense

The Kashtan CIWS is equipped on the vessel along with Stato missile decoy launchers, rapid-bloom chaff launchers, and torpedo decoy launchers.


Displacement (full load): 4400 tons
Length: 129.6 meters
Width: 15.6 meters
Draught: 8.1 meters
Propulsion: 2x cruise gas turbines, 2x boost gas turbines, 2 shafts, 57,000shp
Speed: 30+ knots
Max. Range: 14,000nm at 16 knots
Complement: 210, including 20 officers
Radar:
--Air: AS-292
--Navigation: ENI Mk1 at I-band frequency
--IFF: Nikhel-K
--Surface Search: PrussiaIV
--Fire Control: STFF-A for main gun, MMCS-F for missile control
--Sonar: TMS 4130C1, active/passive array
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing:
--1x Seahawk ASW helicopter
Weapons:
--1x 100mm AK-100 main gun
--4x 9-cell VLS systems, SA-N-9 Gauntlet SAM capable
--2x 4-cell Harpoon AShW launchers
--1x 24-cell VLS, VL Harpoon capable
--6x 533mm torpedo tubes (above-deck)
Countermeasures/Defense:
--2x Stato missile decoy launchers
--3x rapid bloom chaff launchers
--2x torpedo decoy launchers
--2x Kashtan CIWS

Unit Cost: $1.9 billion

Official Communique

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Priority: High
Recipient: Eisenseite Naval Industries - Dennis Eisenseite
Origin: Layartebian Defense Corporation - Procurement Department
Classification Level: Encrypted
Subject: Procurement of Amboß Class CLG


We are sadened to hear about this Waldenburger attack. I regret that the Empire was not aware of such an event when it placed this order but we are grateful that you are fulfilling this order for us. The coordinates for delivery are as follows, 36°48'50.25"N and 76°17'50.61"W.

Thank you


Sincerely,
Alexander Rojas
Vice President of Procurement


Classification Levels

Standard: Standard classification is the normal level of encryption. It is equivalent to the standard levels of encryption seen on most secure e-mail clients.

Confidential: Confidential classification is a higher level of encryption than "Standard" but it is not heavily encrypted. It is used mostly for flash traffic to foreign countries and requires some additional decoding time. It uses 512-bit RSA encryption methods and has several key ciphers that change unpredictably.

Secure: Secure communiques use 1024-bit RSA encryption and several key ciphers within them that change unpredictably to ensure that message traffic is not hacked or decoded. Access to said messages would require heavy cracking software and significant resources but it is not "uncrackable." It can be a viable level through 2010.

Encrypted: Encrypted classification is the second highest level of classification. It is uses 2048-bit RSA encryption and multiple key ciphers within it to ensure that cracking it would take such a significant amount of time to accomplish that, should it be done, the message's usefulness would have already expired. Though anything is crackable, because of the methods employed, this level is often considered "uncrackable" by current capabilities. To ensure revolving protecting, ciphers and encryption algorithms will change unpredictably. This level is sufficient until 2030.

Maximum: Maximum classification is the highest level of classification available. It uses 3072-bit RSA encryption and multiple key ciphers that change unpredictably. It can provide protection past 2030.

Experimental: Currently not a fully recognized level, experimental denotes a category using 15360-bit RSA encryption and multiple key ciphers that change unpredictably. It is not in full operational use as of yet.

Official Koharian Communique
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Again Koharia has turned to Eisenseite for its naval needs. Presently, Koharia needs the following:

x4 Hauptstadt-Class CVN $12.3 billion
x8 Dallas-Class SSN $1.1 billion
x4 Paladin-Class SSGN $2.4 billion

The total is $67.6 billion. I will through in an extra $1 billion dollars for the rush on my ships .Thank you.

Micheal Biggs
Minister of War
Koharia


Koharia would like to revoke its original order and would like to make a new one. This one is a much longer more comprehensive list. It reads as follows:

x4 Hauptstadt-Class CVN $12.3 billion
x4 Hafenstadt-Class CV $9.6 billion
x8 Endeavor-Class BB $7.9 billion
x8 Storm-Class BB $7.4 billion
x8 Kolossal-Class BBG $6.3 billion
x8 Soveriegn-Class BBG $7.4 billion
x4 Houston-Class CGN $3.8 billion
x8 Verteidiger-Class CLG $4.1 billion
x8 Bellerophon-Class CG $2.9 billion
x12 Höllefeuer-Class DDG $2.9 billion
x8 Blitxschell-Class DDG $3.1 billion
x8 Wirbelsturm-Class DDG $2.9 billion
x8 Guardian-Class DDG $2.4 billion
x8 Schneesturm-Class DDG $2.5 billion
x8 Taifun-Class DDG $2.2 billion
x8 Reich-Class FFG $1.7 billion
x8 Longsword-Class FF $1.7 billion
x8 Preußisch-Class FFG $1.9 billion
x8 Paladin-Class SSGN $2.4 billion
x8 Kornschnaps-Class SSN $1.8 billion
x8 Dallas-Class SSN $1.1 billion
x10 Verhinderrung-Class SSBN $4.6 billion
x10 Bauernfänger-Class OPV $550 million
x5 Savior-Class OPV $240 million
x10 Lancer II-Class OPV $450 million
x20 Miniatur-Class FAC $475 million
x10 Challenger-Class FS $400 million
x40 Bremen-Class LPD $2.3 billion
x40 Knight-Class LHD $3.1 billion

The total amount of this will be $842,700,000,000, but I would like to offer up a payment plan of $64,323,100,000 a year for a term of 13 years (including this year). I will offer up an extra $4 billion for every year of this payment plan (totaling $52 billion for the 13 years) for the construction of such a large order. Please use it as you see fit, as I will no longer need it. Thank you.

Micheal Biggs
Minister of War
Koharia

(OOC: Please look over these stats on a new submarine design I have been developing. It is similar to the last one, but I think I have got all the problems solved.

Vindication-Class SSLN (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13992530&postcount=14)

And to North-Point, a real-life example

Submarine Cargo Vessel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_Cargo_Vessel))

Yes, I'm well aware that the concept does exist... the Japanese used their I-400 subs to resupply island garrisons during the Second World War, but that doesn't mean the concept is especially useful or anything... the only reason the Japanese used subs for resupply is because they had no other choice.

Regardless, your post got me to thinking... sure it's possible, it's just not exactly necessary. But then again, this is NS, so maybe there is a place for this somewhere.

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(OOC: Sweet. Go ahead and change anything on the stats that you want its yours now. I dont even care for the discount but please send me 8 of them.)

OOC: North Point, the badassery on that picture is off the charts. The question remains however, where are the planes supposed to be kept--ie, is the hangar large enough to hold planes? In addition to that, what about the fact that submarines roll when they turn and point up and down when going up and down, though I suppose restraints of some sort are possible.

Koharia:
Order confirmed and accepted

OOC: I actually had something like that I called the Sentinel class. It was a submarine tank transport that I made into a submarine aircraft carrier. I had four F-35D JSF fighters (specially modified Bs with folding wings) as its flight contingent. It was pretty cool but the Ohio here is cooler!

Yeah, thanks, everyone on the shipbucket forum is shitting their pants over it and trying to tell me how unusable it is even though... uh... I've been saying they're useless for the longest time myself. :3

Leistung: the aircraft (in theory) could be carried in the old missile rooms, since the tubes have been removed there's a lot of usable space. Restraints are already used to secure helicopters to a pitching destroyer's deck so I'm sure something could be worked out.

Either way, glad to see someone has something nice to say about it and recognizes that it will theoretically work. :P

OOC: Who cares if it's useful or not, the drawing is epic!

I made some changes, including relocating the dive planes to the bow (as opposed to the fairwater where they would have little effect with a hangar blocking them).

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OOC: Finding out whether this can work is my new priority one, and I'll start writing up the statblock right now. Expect it...later...

OOC- Leistung, a bunch of people (myself included) have made orders you haven't responded too. Just a head's up.

OOC: Crap, sorry. I always get distracted when a new page is started. :D

Koharia: Order confirmed and approved

Belshaft: Order confirmed and approved

Falcon Class Submersible Carrier

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Overview

The Falcon is an experimental submersible carrier design joint produced by ENI and SUN. The carrier (henceforth to be known as an SSCN design) is capable of holding five F-35B planes in a below-deck hangar in specialized holding cells consisting of a restraints on the wheels and wings, and can be configured to hold essentially any VTOL planes if need be. An elevator takes the planes from the hangar to an above-deck staging area to be launched two at a time.

Task

The Falcon Class is able to sneak into an enemy controlled seaway, surface, and launch a flight of aircraft to strike deep and hard into the heartland of the enemy without any warning. The submarine itself was built for the task of special forces support, but was gradually changed until it became a powerful surface combatant in its own right, able to escort battlegroups covertly and launch its planes for scouting and attack in battlegroups and flotillas not normally equipped with fleet carriers.

Propulsion

One LSG nuclear reactor is equipped on the Falcon. The LSG uses metal-zirconium alloy fuel (15% uranium with 93% enrichment) rather than UO2 and is a pressurized water reactor with a life of about 25 years. The LSG uses natural circulation, allowing the submarine to operate at a significant fraction of full power without coolant pumps, therefore reducing noise.

Electronics Suite

The BQR-19 is a short-range navigational sonar array designed for evasion while surfacing. It consists of a number of hydrophones and an inboard electronic suite of three cabinets, weighing in at 1,000 lbs total. The Falcon is also equipped with the BQS-13, a narrow-band accelerated-search sonar system which transmits at 3.5 kHz and listens at 2.8 kHz. Rated output is 75 kW and the sphere diameter is 15 feet.

Airwing

The Falcon is notable for its airwing of five jets, capable of projecting power in a stealthy package. The standard package is five F-35B (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35_Lightning_II) fighters in an underwater hangar. The planes can land one at a time on the narrow flight deck and are controlled and directed by flight operators in the conning tower, a waterproof military-grade camera mounted facing the deck and feeding live video to the flight-control room.


Displacement:
--17202 tons surfaced
--19000 tons submerged
Length: 170.7 meters
Beam: 13.2 meters
Draught: 12.7 meters
Complement: 160, with 15 officers, 5 pilots, and 20 plane maintenance crewmen
Range: Essentially unlimited
Endurance: 450 days of provisions available
Max. Speed:
--21 knots surfaced
--25 knots maximum submerged
Diving Depth:
--810 feet operational
--1000 feet maximum
--20 feet perescopic
Propulsion: LSG nuclear reactor two geared steam turbines, one shaft (60,000shp)
Weapons:
--4x 660mm torpedo tubes
Air Wing:
--5x F-35B fighter jets
Electronics:
--BQQ-6 Bow mounted sonar
--BQR-19 Navigation
--BQS-13 Active sonar
--TB-16 towed array
--14 external countermeasure launchers, 1 internal

Unit Cost: $3.9 billion

OOC: Yeah, it's crazy...but crazy is what I do best. Thanks to North-Point for the kick-ass picture and to Koharia and N-P for the idea.

The Commonwealth of Tolvan will purchase one (1) Falcon class SSCN for testing purposes.

OOC: I have no idea what I'd use this for, but it looks badass.

The Commonwealth of Tolvan will purchase one (1) Falcon class SSCN for testing purposes.

OOC: I have no idea what I'd use this for, but it looks badass.

Order confirmed and accepted

OOC: Lol, I'm still waiting for the draftroom people to turn this thread into a "that's impossible" thread.

OOC: I think it's more a case of it'll work, but why do it? I may use it for some sort of SF support ship.

OOC: Im looking at this for my new ghost fleet lol Would it be able to hold helicopters? with folding wins, such as the WAH-64?

OOC: Yeah, helicopters are possible. Think 5 Blackhawks or similar.

My only complaint is that it can dive to 8700 meters... that's over 28,000 feet.

LOL

Yeah, fixed. I meant 870 feet, but I just changed it altogether.

*bump*

(200th reply)

The proud nation of Sur Abruzzi, in it's continuance of naval modernization efforts, would like to make the following purchases:

2 x Thalberg Class LSD

2 x Defender-class Fast Auxiliary Replenishment Ship

15 x Vorgehen Class FFG

15 x Stark Class FFG

10 x Berg Class DDG

10 x Höllefeuer Class DDG

5 x Amboß Class CLG

15 x Jupiter-class Nuclear Powered Attack Submarine

30 x Tiefsee Class SSK

At the Total Cost of= $140,100,000,000 billion USD

The monies will be wired to your account upon confirmation of this order.

With regards,

Samuel Johnson
Treasury Secretary

The proud nation of Sur Abruzzi, in it's continuance of naval modernization efforts, would like to make the following purchases:

2 x Thalberg Class LSD

2 x Defender-class Fast Auxiliary Replenishment Ship

15 x Vorgehen Class FFG

15 x Stark Class FFG

10 x Berg Class DDG

10 x Höllefeuer Class DDG

5 x Amboß Class CLG

15 x Jupiter-class Nuclear Powered Attack Submarine

30 x Tiefsee Class SSK

At the Total Cost of= $140,100,000,000 billion USD

The monies will be wired to your account upon confirmation of this order.

With regards,

Samuel Johnson
Treasury Secretary

OOC: Sorry for the delay

Order confirmed and accepted

Kaydonia would like to place the following order:

10 Sovereign Class BBG $7.4B
50 Endeavor Class BB $7.9B
7 Hauptstadt Class CVN $12.3B
10 Eagle Class CV $8.4B

Total Cost: $639B

*Funds wifll be automatically transferred upon confirmation of order

Kaydonia would like to place the following order:

10 Sovereign Class BBG $7.4B
50 Endeavor Class BB $7.9B
7 Hauptstadt Class CVN $12.3B
10 Eagle Class CV $8.4B

Total Cost: $639B

*Funds wifll be automatically transferred upon confirmation of order

Order confirmed and accepted

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To: Eisenseite Naval Industries/Sun International Naval Systems

OOC: Since I've decided to throw out my capped population and start RPing with my official pop of around a billion, I'll be needing some equipment.

- 6 Sovereign Class = $44.4 billion
- 30 Bellerophon Class = $87 billion
- 30 Houston Class = $114 billion
- 80 Acheron Class = $176 billion
- 40 Guardian Class = $96 billion
- 60 Bermuda Class = $102 billion
- 40 Warhammer Class = $72 billion
- 60 Defiance Class = $108 billion
- 40 Paladin Class = $96 billion
- 60 Lancer II Class = $27 billion
- 60 Challenger Class = $24 billion
- 30 Vigilant Class = $13.5 billion

Total Cost: $959.9 billion USD

The money will be wired in ten annual payments of $95.99 billion. Payment will commence upon confirmation.

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Sir Henry Norton
Minister of Defense

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To: Eisenseite Naval Industries/Sun International Naval Systems

OOC: Since I've decided to throw out my capped population and start RPing with my official pop of around a billion, I'll be needing some equipment.

- 6 Sovereign Class = $44.4 billion
- 30 Bellerophon Class = $87 billion
- 30 Houston Class = $114 billion
- 80 Acheron Class = $176 billion
- 40 Guardian Class = $96 billion
- 60 Bermuda Class = $102 billion
- 40 Warhammer Class = $72 billion
- 60 Defiance Class = $108 billion
- 40 Paladin Class = $96 billion
- 60 Lancer II Class = $27 billion
- 60 Challenger Class = $24 billion
- 30 Vigilant Class = $13.5 billion

Total Cost: $959.9 billion USD

The money will be wired in ten annual payments of $95.99 billion. Payment will commence upon confirmation.

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Sir Henry Norton
Minister of Defense

OOC: lol, I love how you picked everything I didn't design :D.

The original RS nation drops out? *jaw hits floor*

IC: Order confirmed and approved.

OOC: lol, I love how you picked everything I didn't design :D.

The original RS nation drops out? *jaw hits floor*

IC: Order confirmed and approved.

OOC: Yeah, I know. But the draw of huge(ish) population is too much. And I chose those designs because they're what we already have and I CBA to review new ones.

The Barony of Tristan Providence would like to order 1 Reich Class FFG for a total price of 1.7 Billion USDs.

-Baron Alec Kendall
Barony of Tristan Providence

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The Holy Empire of Zaheran
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Dept. of Acquisations and Materiel



To: Eisenite Naval Storefront

As a part of the modernisation of our armed forces, we have been looking for new ships for our navy. Therefore, we would like to order the following:

100x Swiftsure class OPV = 55 billion
60x Stark class FFG = 114 billion
20x Taifun class DDG = 44 billion
50x Thalberg class LSD = 150 billion
40x Bremen class LPD = 92 billion
20x Berg class DDG = 52 billion
3x Hauptstadt class CVN = 36.9 billion
20x Defender class Replenishment Ship = 46 billion

Total: 589.9 billion USD

We would also like to inquire what airplanes ENS recommends for the Haupstadt carrier?

The Barony of Tristan Providence would like to order 1 Reich Class FFG for a total price of 1.7 Billion USDs.

-Baron Alec Kendall
Barony of Tristan Providence

Order confirmed and accepted.



To: Eisenite Naval Storefront

As a part of the modernisation of our armed forces, we have been looking for new ships for our navy. Therefore, we would like to order the following:

100x Swiftsure class OPV = 55 billion
60x Stark class FFG = 114 billion
20x Taifun class DDG = 44 billion
50x Thalberg class LSD = 150 billion
40x Bremen class LPD = 92 billion
20x Berg class DDG = 52 billion
3x Hauptstadt class CVN = 36.9 billion
20x Defender class Replenishment Ship = 46 billion

Total: 589.9 billion USD

We would also like to inquire what airplanes ENS recommends for the Haupstadt carrier?


Order confirmed and accepted.

OOC: We use the FA 16 or FA 15N (Candrian Empire designs), but F/A-18's, Rafales, Su-33's, or any other standardized carrier designs should work.

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To: Eisenseite Naval Industries/Sun International Naval Systems

From: The Ministry Of Defense and Navy
The Kingdom of Imbrinium

The Kingdom of Imbrinium is currently expanding its naval fleet and would like to purchase the following ships.

20 Mako A
20 Dauntless-class Battlecruiser
10 Wirbelsturm Class DDG
10 Guardian-class Guided Missile Destroyer

The of this purchase is 1,231,900,000,000 Trillion to be paid over 5 years. The first wire transfer will take place as soon as the order is confirmed.

Thank you
Ministery of Defense, Kingdom of Imbrinium

The Kingdom of Tristan Providence would like to order the following vessels in its naval expansion program:

7 Riech Class FFG's- 11.9 Billion
8 Swiftsure Class OPV- 6,240,000,000
4 Blitzschnell Class DDG- 12.4 Billion

Total: 30.54 Billion USDs

-Minister of Defense, Garrett Conway
Kingdom of Tristan Providence

To: Eisenseite Naval Industries/Sun International Naval Systems

From: The Ministry Of Defense and Navy
The Kingdom of Imbrinium

The Kingdom of Imbrinium is currently expanding its naval fleet and would like to purchase the following ships.

20 Mako A
20 Dauntless-class Battlecruiser
10 Wirbelsturm Class DDG
10 Guardian-class Guided Missile Destroyer

The of this purchase is 1,231,900,000,000 Trillion to be paid over 5 years. The first wire transfer will take place as soon as the order is confirmed.

Thank you
Ministery of Defense, Kingdom of Imbrinium

Order confirmed and accepted.

The Kingdom of Tristan Providence would like to order the following vessels in its naval expansion program:

7 Riech Class FFG's- 11.9 Billion
8 Swiftsure Class OPV- 6,240,000,000
4 Blitzschnell Class DDG- 12.4 Billion

Total: 30.54 Billion USDs

-Minister of Defense, Garrett Conway
Kingdom of Tristan Providence

Order confirmed and accepted.

The Kingdom also wishes to order 3 Grosserberg Class SSNs for a total of 6.6 Billion USDs.

-Minister of Defense, Garrett Conway
Kingdom of Tristan Providence

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Official Statement of Tender Legibility

Dear Mr Eisenseite,

It is with great pleasure that I can confirm that designs from Eisenseite Naval Industries and Sun International Systems have both been deemed COMPLIANT with the Adenian Tender Designation 6FFP-2008-23, "Future Force Projection".

The Adenian Royal Armed Services, specifically the Royal Naval Service, has recently begun it's Royal Fleet Review, and the need has been expressed both by ourselves and our allies for a projection element to the flotilla. As such, the Naval Service is looking for two light aircraft carriers to bolster the forces.

This in mind, three carriers are so far under consideration. From Eisenseite Naval Industries, the Hafenstadt Class CV; from Sun International Systems, the Eagle Class CV, and from Consolidated Naval Construction Group, the Unicorn Class CVE.

We intend to keep you updated as the situation progresses further, and wish both ENI and SIS the best.

We look forward to speaking with you further.

Yours, with Regards,

Brigadier Owen Fowler-Rogers
By Her Majesty's Orders

MILITARY ARMAMENTS COMPANY | HEAVY INDUSTRIES

ANGHELE M.O.D CERTIFIED DEFENSE CONTRACTOR

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M.A.C Heavy Industries | Defense would like to order the following items,

15x-Sovereign-class Nuclear Powered Guided Missile Battlecruiser (CGN)
5x-Endeavor Class BB
5x-Hauptstadt Class CVN
5x-Verhinderung Class SSBN
5x-Donnerschlag Class DDG .
5x-Preußisch Class FFG
5x-Swiftsure Class OPV

We are brokering the deal with Anghele Ministry of Defense (M.O.D),as such even though the purchase is made by a Corporation (fully licensed) the funds will come from it´s end user which will be the Anghele Navy.

Anghele Government Budgets:

Government Budget: $4,532,702,182,856

-Administration: $253,831,322,240

-Defence: $834,017,201,645

-Law and Order: $979,063,671,497

If possible we would like to make the payment over a period of 10 years.

Funds shall be wired to your storefront´s account after confirmation of purchase.

Thank you,

M.A.C Defense Division C.E.O,

John Magan.

The Kingdom also wishes to order 3 Grosserberg Class SSNs for a total of 6.6 Billion USDs.

-Minister of Defense, Garrett Conway
Kingdom of Tristan Providence

Order confirmed and accepted

MILITARY ARMAMENTS COMPANY | HEAVY INDUSTRIES

ANGHELE M.O.D CERTIFIED DEFENSE CONTRACTOR

M.A.C Heavy Industries | Defense would like to order the following items,

15x-Sovereign-class Nuclear Powered Guided Missile Battlecruiser (CGN)
5x-Endeavor Class BB
5x-Hauptstadt Class CVN
5x-Verhinderung Class SSBN
5x-Donnerschlag Class DDG .
5x-Preußisch Class FFG
5x-Swiftsure Class OPV

We are brokering the deal with Anghele Ministry of Defense (M.O.D),as such even though the purchase is made by a Corporation (fully licensed) the funds will come from it´s end user which will be the Anghele Navy.

If possible we would like to make the payment over a period of 10 years.

Funds shall be wired to your storefront´s account after confirmation of purchase.


Order confirmed and accepted
OOC: I'm not sure if anyone's ever told you this, but that font and bolding is very hard to read.

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Official Statement of Tender Legibility

*snip*

Yours, with Regards,

Brigadier Owen Fowler-Rogers
By Her Majesty's Orders

Official Statement
Eisenseite Naval Industries

We appreciate your choosing of ENI/SUN for your shipping purposes, and eagerly await the results of your findings. If there is anything ENI/SUN can do to aid in your selection process, please do not hesitate to ask.

-Sincerely,
Dennis Eisenseite
CEO of Eisenseite Naval Industries

Jäeger Class DDG

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Overview

The Jäeger Class guided missile destroyer is a state-of-the-art anti-air destroyer fielded with the advanced APAR+SMART-L tracking and guidance system for firing large numbers of missiles to defend the fleet against missiles and aircraft. The Jäeger also is capable of firing Harpoon missiles and using its powerful 127mm main gun to take out surface threats. It is pegged to replace the Höllefeuer Class DDG by 2010.

Propulsion

A CODOG system is installed on the Jäeger in order to give it a high maximum “sprint” speed. There is a diesel engine for every propeller (cruising) and a single gas turbine to close the distance to firing range quickly in the case of an imminent threat. Gearing is extremely simple, but the gas turbine eats up fuel at a pace that lowers the ships maximum range.

Electronics Suite

The sensors on the Jäeger are the most important part of anti-air system, and the two most important sensors (APAR and SMART-L) take up the majority of the ship’s superstructure. The SMART-L can detect small aircraft at up to 400 km, and patrol aircraft at 600 km, and it can track up to 1000 airborne and 100 seaborne targets. The APAR can fire up to 32 missiles simultaneously at 16 targets, giving it an unrivaled anti-missile swarming attack. The APAR also can guide the Jäeger’s 127mm main gun.

Armament

The Jäeger Class is armed with a single 64-cell vertical launch system capable of holding 256 quad-packed ESSM’s or 64 SM-2 IIIA long-range SAM’s. For surface attack, the Jäeger carries 8 Harpoon missiles, and its 127mm gun can be used as an anti-ship or anti-land platform. Two Rolling Airframe Missile launchers provide short-range protection for the destroyer, with six 533mm torpedo tubes providing ASW protection.

Defense

The FL1800S is an electronics warfare suite which jams up to eight sources at the same time using frequencies ranging from 7.5-17 GHz. It can also concentrate on jamming a single source if the situation warrants it. Six rapid-bloom chaff launchers protect against missiles not engaged by the comprehensive anti-aircraft system of ESSMs, RAMs, and SM-2’s.

Displacement (full load): 5790 tons
Length: 143.2 meters
Width: 17.4 meters
Draught: 5.1 meters
Propulsion: 2x diesel engines, 1x gas turbine, 3x gearboxes, 4x diesel generators, 2x propeller shafts (controllable pitch)
Speed: 30 knots
Max. Range: 9000nm at 18 knots
Complement: 230, including 17 officers
Radar:
--Air/Surface: Thales SMART-L, APAR tracking and guidance
--Navigation: STN Atlas 9600-M I/J-band ARPA radar
--IFF: SMART-L (integrated D-band)
--Fire Control: STN Atlas MSP 500, (APAR)
--Sonar: STN Atlas DSQS-24B
--SATCOM: SNTI-240
Air-wing:
--2x NH90 ASW helicopters
Weapons:
--1x 127mm OTO-Melara main gun
--1x Mk-41 64-cell VLS for ESSM or SM-2 IIIA
--2x 4-cell Harpoon armored box launchers
--6x 533mm torpedo tubes (located above-deck)
--2x RAM launchers
--2x 27mm autocannons
Countermeasures/Defense:
--FL1800S II ECM suite
--6x rapid bloom chaff launchers
--2x torpedo decoy launchers

Unit Cost: 1.9 billion

[The Jäeger Class is currently only available to ODECON members]

Open Encryption:
From: His Excellency The Burgher Gerard du Mointerifiquiet

On behalf of the Margravate of Paloni, and with due consideration by its Burghers we wish to make a request to purchase the following for ourselves and absolutely no one else, at all, in any regard.

200X Schneesturm Class DDG (500 Billion USD)
60X Blitzschnell Class DDG (181 Billion USD)
20X Verteidiger Class CLG (82 Billion USD)
Subtotal: 763 Billion USD

The ships will go to make up the first 20 destroyer groups of the Margravate, and will be used to halt pirate raids, yes pirate raids, and smugglers. We have terrible smuggling problems, which we need these ships to put and end to. The money, if this arrangement is acceptable will be delivered in two lump sums as 381.5 Billion USD per annum.

Signed:
His Excellency The Burgher Gerard du Mointerifiquiet

OOC This is Waldenburg buying through an old Imperial contact. I assume there is some IC animosity so best thought to go a different way. Of course if you do not want me to have your weapons at all well you have so many options.

OOC: Sorry Waldy, no go. Nothing personal, I'd just rather not have to blow up my own ships :D

Order denied. We apologize for any inconvenience.

Tödlich Class SSN

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Overview

Built as a long-term replacement/supplement for the Grosserberg and Kornchnaps Class SSN’s currently in use in the Leistungi Navy, the Tödlich Class SSN is a fast, ultra-quiet, and extremely deadly attack submarine. It is planned to be produced in large numbers and deployed as the mainstay of the Leistungi ASW wing, along with dedicated surface ships and maritime patrol aircraft. Capable of operating deep in enemy territory with close to absolute stealth, the Tödlich is the ultimate in silent warfare.

Propulsion

The Tödlich uses an LS9 pressurized water reactor which uses 45% enriched uranium-235 fuel. A pressurized water reactor has the distinct advantage of being very safe and much easier to operate from a stability standpoint than a boiling water reactor, and the LS9 is capable of producing a hefty 190 MWt of power, meaning that the safety is not paired with a drop in performance. The Tödlich Class SSN can also run on conventional power, using a single steam turbine and two turbogenerators.

Electronics Suite

The Tödlich is designed with a state-of-the-art combat sensor system, centered around an AN/BSY-2 primary computer. The AN/BSY-2 controls the subsidiary sensors, including a AN/BQQ-5E sonar array, which is a low frequency passive/active search and attack sonar. It is commonly paired with a number of other highly advanced systems, including two types of towed sonar arrays capable to detecting enemy submarines from extreme distances and a short-range active sonar system to detect ice around the frozen waters of Leistung.

Armament

Comparatively to other SSN’s, the Tödlich carries relatively light torpedoes. It is capable of holding forty torpedoes or missiles and firing them out of eight 533 mm tubes located on the bow of the vessel. It is the first SSN in Leistungi service to carry the VA-111 Shkval supercavitating torpedo (under the military designation “LT-10”), which gives the submarine an unrivaled offensive punch.

Defense

The Tödlich is equipped with 14 (thirteen external) countermeasure launchers. These countermeasures seek to distract acoustic-homing torpedoes in the water and divert them from the submarine itself.


Displacement:
--8140 tons surfaced
--12770 tons submerged
Length: 111.7 meters
Beam: 13.5 meters
Draught: 9.6 meters
Complement: 62, with 34 officers
Range: Essentially unlimited
Endurance: 90 days of provisions available
Max. Speed:
--20 knots surfaced
--33 knots maximum submerged
Diving Depth:
--1475 feet maximum safe
--1804 feet never-exceed-depth
--1998 feet crush depth (approx)
Propulsion: LS9 pressurized water reactor, two turbogenerators (2000kw each), one steam turbine (43000 shp), one seven-bladed propeller
Weapons:
--8x 533 mm torpedo tubes
--40x Mark 48 torpedoes/UGM-109 Tomahawk missiles
Air Wing:
--N/A
Electronics:
--AN/BPS-5 surface search radar
--AN/BPS-15 A/16 navigation and fire control radar
--TB-16D passive towed sonar arrays
--TB-23 passive "thin line" towed array
--AN/BQG-5D wide aperture flank array
--AN/BQQ-5D/E low frequency spherical sonar array
--AN/BQS-15 close range active sonar (for ice detection)
--MIDAS Mine and Ice Detection Avoidance System
--SADS-TG active detection sonar
--AN/BSY-2 (primary computer)
Defense:
--14 external countermeasure launchers, 1 internal

Unit Cost: $900 million

[The Tödlich Class is currently only available to ODECON members]

OOC: When you say "[Currently not for sale]", do you mean the DPRs or the ship itself?

OOC: The ship itself. I'm an ass, yes, and I'm keeping those two to myself for the time being. Sorry 'bout that. They'll be available at some point in the future, but for now I'm using the storefront as a link repository for those two.

OOC: Even if I were to throw around some nonsense about our good relations and previous cooperation? *puppy eyes*

OOC: Actually, because there's basically 0% chance of me ever going to war with you, I'll authorize delivery of 10 Tödlich's, standard payment plan. For anyone else reading this, DON'T TRY IT. I'm doing this b/c Zin's a pacifist, will never go to war with me, and plus, I just like him.

OOC: That's very kind. Any chance of some Jägers too? Anyway, IC post coming. Make sure you tell me when they're on the open market as we'll want a couple dozen more.

Although, to be honest, I'm a bit curious as to how the Tödlich can fit more missiles into a shorter (though heavier) package that is also faster and cheaper than the Defiance it will be replacing.

OOC: I'd need to see the Defiance, but I'd imagine it's a singularly nuclear boat, while my top speed is achieved conventionally. Storing missiles is really just a matter of space--the Defiance might have more room dedicated to provisions, for instance.

OOC: Well...you sell it (it's one of N-P's designs). Granted, the Defiance does have a larger crew and a longer endurance (which means more sleeping quarters and substantially more provision storage) but you have twice as many torpedo tubes and almost four times the missiles.

OOC: Hm, I honestly don't see it. Are we talking Dallas? Because the only SSN's I sell from N-P are the Dallas and Jupiter classes

OOC: Ah, right. I forgot that you don't sell that one. Here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13671586&postcount=37

OOC: Interesting. He actually under-stated himself...I'm sure that that could hold more than 10 reloads.

OOC: Well, it's a derivative of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_class_submarine. The Virginia has the same armaments.

OOC: Again, interesting. Mine has dimensions and armaments based off the Akula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula_class_submarine), so maybe the Ruskies actually did something right for a change...

OOC: Again, interesting. Mine has dimensions and armaments based off the Akula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula_class_submarine), so maybe the Ruskies actually did something right for a change...

OOC: Perhaps they did. On the other hand, maybe everyone had a missile for a bunkmate.

Anyway, are some Jägers available too? (And check your ODECON thread).

OOC: Sadly, no, they aren't available. And I've put you up for application on the ODECON forums--trust me, you'll get in :D

EDIT: Oh, now I'm afraid of posting and getting off 1,000...

OOC: Sadly, no, they aren't available. And I've put you up for application on the ODECON forums--trust me, you'll get in :D

OOC: That's too bad. Good news about ODECON though. (And congrats on 1,000 posts).

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To: Eisenseite Naval Industries

While we understand that the impressive Tödlich Class SSN is not yet available on the open market, your executives have assured us that ten samples will be made available to us as samples. We will test these against the current Defiance class. If the Tödlich is found to be superior, it will replace the Defiance once it is on the open market. For our purposes, the Tödlich we be renamed the Bane Class SSN.

Please send ten vessels. $9 billion will be wired.

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Sir Henry Norton
Minister of Defense

Official Koharian Communique
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Koharia is again in need of this institutions great ships. Our forces need replanishment at sea and we need replenishment ships to help. We would like to purchase:

x400 Defender Class Replenishment Ship $2.3 billion

The total is $920 billion, which is a little bit over our budget. We would like to set up a payment plan of $500 billion with an $80 billion bonus upon completion to keep up with your fine work. Be prepared as I will need to purchase a 3 new fleets of ships in the coming years. Thank you.

Micheal Biggs
Minister of War
Koharia

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To: Eisenseite Naval Industries/Sun International Naval Systems
From: The Ministry of the Royal Navy
Kingdom of Imbrinium

The RIN would like to purchase three Storm class Battleships and 3 Endeavor Class Battleships from your fine upstanding company. Our last purchase of ships has turned out to be a great value to our navy. We hope to do future business with your companies.

The total price for each ship class.

Storm class.22.2 billion
Endeavor class. 23.7 billion
Total for both. 45.9 billion

All orders confirmed and accepted.

Oktober Class SSBN

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Overview

After several decades with Verhinderung Class SSBN’s as the front line of Leistungi underwater nuclear delivery, Bundesmarine Command finally accepted that the vessel had outlived its usefulness. In response to this gap in the strategic nuclear arsenal, ENI designed the Oktober Class SSBN, a massive submarine capable of carrying twenty Trident II nuclear missiles. The Oktober is, like the Tödlich, planned to be produced in very large numbers to replace any existing Verhinderung Class SSBN’s in active service, and will likely take on the roles currently provided by Verhinderungs.

Propulsion

Like all new submarines produced by ENI, the Oktober Class utilizes the LS10 pressurized water reactor. The LS10 is possibly the safest naval reactor ever deployed in Leistungi service, and can be SCRAM-ed in a little under one second, using rows of boron control rods which are capable of dropping at the push of a button from the Engineering, Nuclear, or the Conning Tower. The Oktober is also equipped with two steam turbines, which would generally create too much noise for the submarine to operate stealthily. However, to reduce the acoustic signature of the Oktober, a two-spool system of rubber-cord pneumatic shock-absorption is used in addition to a block layout of gears and a sound isolation and andrihydroacoustic coating.

Electronics Suite

The Oktober uses the same electronics suite as the Tödlich, with an AN/BQQ-5E low frequency spherical sonar array for standard detection, and a two kilometer long towed sonar array for long-distance sonar detection. It is also equipped with a MIDAS ice detection system, and it has a thick enough hull to pierce through artic ice, allowing it to operate in the icy waters of Leistung and the North Atlantic.

Unlike the Tödlich, however, the Oktober utilizes a “Slope” hydroacoustic system which consists of four hydroacoustic stations and two floating antenna buoys. The “Slope” is capable of detecting and tracking 12 underwater or surface targets, while the two buoys can beam target information, satellite positioning, and radio messages from Command back to the vessel when it is far (i.e., 1300+ feet) below the surface or under ice cover.

Armament

The Oktober is not built with ASW in mind, but it does carry 32 torpedoes (or missiles) which are capable of being fired out of six 533 mm bow torpedo tubes. The Oktober’s main armament is a payload of 20 Trident II SLBM’s, fired from the central superstructure and controlled by the weapons control station, separate from the conning tower (though the missiles can be controlled from the Conn as well). The missiles use astroinertial guidance upon firing, with preset targets generally programmed before a mission. Unlike the Verhinderung, the Oktober is also capable of changing targeting information mid-journey using a comprehensive electronic targeting system onboard the submarine. The Oktober is capable of firing the VA-111 supercavitating torpedo as well as its standard payload of Mark 48’s, though this reduces carrying space to 28 torpedoes.

Defense

The Oktober’s defense is obviously based on not being found in the first place, and for this, every precaution has been taken to ensure that the submarine is as quiet as possible without sacrificing too much performance. The Oktober’s two propellers are covered in a shroud (meaning that the propeller does not jettison water out the sides—only the back), which allows the propeller to be much quieter than previous Leistungi designs. If it is detected, the Oktober can dive to almost 1500 feet below sea level, or 1800 if the situation is dire (risk of damage/crush) and fire countermeasures out of fourteen different places.


Displacement:
--24300 tons surfaced
--47820 tons submerged
Length: 172.0 meters
Beam: 23.3 meters
Draught: 11.5 meters
Complement: 150, with 50 officers
Range: Essentially unlimited
Endurance: 120 days of provisions available
Max. Speed:
--17 knots surfaced
--28 knots maximum submerged
Diving Depth:
--1480 feet maximum safe
--1806 feet never-exceed-depth
--1998 feet crush depth (approx)
Propulsion: two LS9 pressurized water reactors, two steam turbines (50000 hp each), two seven-bladed fixed-pitch shrouded propellers
Weapons:
--6x 533 mm torpedo tubes
--32x Mark 48 torpedoes
--20x Trident II SLBM
OR
--140x UGM-84 Harpoon missiles
Air Wing:
--N/A
Electronics:
--AN/BPS-5 surface search radar
--AN/BPS-15 A/16 navigation and fire control radar
--TB-16D passive towed sonar arrays
--“Slope” hydroacoustic system
--TB-23 passive "thin line" towed array
--AN/BQG-5D wide aperture flank array
--AN/BQQ-5D/E low frequency spherical sonar array
--AN/BQS-15 close range active sonar (for ice detection)
--MIDAS Mine and Ice Detection Avoidance System
--SADS-TG active detection sonar
--AN/BSY-2 (primary computer)
Defense:
--14 external countermeasure launchers, 1 internal

Unit Cost: $3.9 billion

We would like for your business to develop a frigate based off of the Vorgehen Class FFG, but with a reduced cost and atleast having the ability to hold the 8 CIWS launcher, preferably more. If this is accepted and goes to plan the Latican Imperium will be rewarding your business with even more naval grants. The first of which to begin production would be a grant of ten billion dollars to develop this vessel, crissoned the Escudo Class of Frigate, possibly a helicopter pad would also be preferred.

OOC: i.e., you want a point defense ship, loaded with CIWS and without long-distance SAM's? Useless in real combat, but alright, what the hell :D

[OOC: Meh, I'm hoping the helicopter will make up for that not having any SAMs thing :-p]

OOC: Hey, the way most people RP, a ship with 8 CIWS's could take on at least 8000 missiles. At the same time. While the ship is sinking. From 9000 km away.

[OOC: Are you accusing me of being one of them!!! Eh, maybe a little but, with support from other ships using Escudo as a shield (literal translation...), larger ships with much more SAMs and AShMs and ShSM (??) would make the shield a good idea... in my opinion. Do you have AIM/MSN?]

OOC: Ah! Curse you and your awesome but un-buyable ships. If you keep this up, your blueprints are going to get stolen...I mean lost.

[OOC: Are you accusing me of being one of them!!! Eh, maybe a little but, with support from other ships using Escudo as a shield (literal translation...), larger ships with much more SAMs and AShMs and ShSM (??) would make the shield a good idea... in my opinion. Do you have AIM/MSN?]

OOC: Yeah, I should have it done in a few days. I'll strip off the Gadfly to save $$$ and either replace and add to the RAM's with gun-based CIWS's (not recommended), or replace and add to the Goalkeepers with RAM's. I could even scrap the main gun if you feel like this should be a dedicated CIWS platform.

I also don't generally give out my AIM...nothing personal.