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Canedian shop

Canedian Army
01-08-2008, 10:07
Hi, i sell used stuff here, used in wars, but reperated not destroyed.
Here is a list of things, i will say where it returned from, from whits war.

Ne Behemes war:
12 M1 abram tanks (800.000 each)

United Goverment war:
123 thunder-2 artillery (200.000 dollar each)
11 F-16 jets (2 million each)
9 M1 abram tanks (800.000 each)
1 satellite (400 million)


Nazi Albania war:
5 F-16's (2.5 million each only used 1 time)

Other:
1000 V2 rockets (450.000 dollar each) (SOLD all for 325 million)
2 nuclear rockets (25 million each now) (1 SOLD)
M24 Chaffee Tank (150.000 each)

New build:
100 F-16's (3 million each)
20 M1 abrams (1 million each)
100 M24 Chaffee tanks. (200.000 each)


Weapons:
56.000 9mm pistols (1 million for all)
20.000 mp5's (1 million for all)
2500 PSG 90 (450.000 for all) (SOLD)
3000 FN Minimi. (450.000 for all)


If you want to price something lower, just say it.
East Congaree
01-08-2008, 10:11
To: Canedian Office of Foreign Affairs

From: East Congaree Executive Office


Hello, we would like to purchase and bring back to shape all the V2 missiles you have for sale in your stock. Do consider our offer, as it will be at 300 million only.

East Congaree Freedom Party Chairman and East Congaree President- Reginald Deere
Canedian Army
01-08-2008, 10:17
To: East congaree executive office

From: Canedian army

300 million for all? O well, 325 million is a good price.
If you give me 325 million, it is a deal. Agree?
East Congaree
01-08-2008, 10:20
To: Canedian Office of Foreign Affairs

From: East Congaree Executive Office


Deal, it is 325 million for all of them. Thanks for buisness.

East Congaree Freedom Party Chairman and East Congaree President- Reginald Deere
Canedian Army
01-08-2008, 10:23
To: East congaree executive office.

From: Canedian army.

That is good. I will order my troops to bring them to you.
The V2's, will be guarded by 5000 troops on the way to you.
I mean, 1000 V2 need to be bringed and guarded.
If you will make over the money?
East Congaree
01-08-2008, 10:27
To: Canedian Office of Foreign Affairs

From: East Congaree Executive Office

We will just need them shipped to port Willings, and we unload and take them and set them up in defensive positions from there. 325 Million dollars have been wired.


East Congaree Freedom Party Chairman and East Congaree President- Reginald Deere
Canedian Army
01-08-2008, 10:29
Ok that is good.

I order the 5000 guarding troops and the bringers, to bring them to Port Willings.
If there is made an attack, you fight to death, take them as prisoners if you can, we will execute them later.

Woud you make over the money now?
East Congaree
01-08-2008, 10:32
To: Canedian Department of Foreign Affairs

From: East Congaree Department of Foreign Affairs

Yes, we have sent the money to you.

East Congaree Secretary of Foreign Affairs- Jethro Potter
Canedian Army
01-08-2008, 12:06
To: East Congree Deprartment of Foreign Affairs

From: Canedian army.

That is good. I woud be happy to make more deals with you.
Uiri
01-08-2008, 12:11
OOC: Ok. Only problem with this thread in so far is that the weapons are being gaurded by 5,000 troops. Try a smaller number, you should have the ratio the other way around, I do suggest you organize your military before naming troops numbers. Otherwise this just seems like a storefront which most people aren't interested because its used and not your own design (like from RL).

IC:

FROM: Oranej Conogolomerat
TO: Canedian Shop (Inc? Ltd?)

We wish to purchase 75% of your corporation's stock. We will offer a starting bid of 7.5 million.
Canedian Army
01-08-2008, 12:12
To: Uiri

From: Canedian army


Ofcouse, that is good.
But what you want to buy? Say what and howmany.
Uiri
01-08-2008, 12:17
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/Uiri/seal.gif

TO: Caneda
FROM: Uiri
SUBJECT: Hm?

We have not had any prior communication with you. We are wondering what is good and why we would be anything from you.

David Aposon
President of Uiri

------------------------------------

Meanwhile Oranej Conogolomerat waited for a reply.
Canedian Army
01-08-2008, 12:22
To: Uiri

From: Canedian army.

O yes ofcourse.
The things i sell, come from foughted wars.
They are used, but still working. They are good, but sometimes they are a bit slow working. Everything that is selled, are already used. The F-16's are only used 1 time.
To attack a enemy base. The M1 abrams defended against a artillery attack.
I also have thousands of 9mm guns and mp5's, those will be for sale soon.
The Thunder-2 artillery is also from the artillery attack at my base.
They used better artillery to take me down, i lost many man there.
The Thnuder-2 artillery is used 2 times. And why you shoud buy them at me?
Because i am cheap now. Because they are used but good. That is why i sell them cheap.

EDIT:
O and i guarded the V2's so good, because it where THOUSAND V2's, they need to come to the place, and well guarded.
Uiri
01-08-2008, 12:38
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/Uiri/seal.gif

TO: Caneda
FROM: Uiri
SUBJECT: Hm?

We are not interested.

David Aposon
President of Uiri

------------------------------------

Meanwhile Oranej Conogolomerat sent a communication being sure that Canedian Shop had recieved their message.

TO: Canedian Shop
FROM: Oranej Conogolomerat

Have you recieved our offer to buy 75% of your company's stock for 7.5 million USD's?
Canedian Army
01-08-2008, 13:13
Ok. Well, that is ok.
I will sell the stuff to others, or otherwise, i will make a new topic, about selling only 1 ting at a time.
Canedian Army
01-08-2008, 13:15
The price of the M1 abram tanks, are now 200.000 lower! only 800.000 istead of 1 million each!

2 nuclear rockets have come in.
With the 9mm, and mp5's. BUY NOW!
Parilisa
01-08-2008, 15:10
I'll take all the PSG 90s for $400,000, how does that sound?

Could you give me more info on the nuclear rockets you have for sale? I may be interested in buying 1 if you can tell me a bit more about them.
Canedian Army
01-08-2008, 17:55
Ofcourse.

The PSG 90's, well alright than.
400.000 for all.

The nuclear rocket, are created by the best people at the:
Canedian Army Nuclear office. It is powerful enough to destroy big lands, and make a wasteland of everything. The Nuclear stuff, stays for years, hunderts of years...

The PSG 90's are sended to your nation.

"12 soldiers armed with mp5's guarded a truck. in this truck, where 2500 PSG 90's.
The soldiers rided on bikes, and with anti bullet armor, the truck was armed also.
The truck reached the place to bring the things for now, when the money is made over, it will be taken to the end of the moving..."
Parilisa
01-08-2008, 18:55
The transfer of the moneys is complete, $400,000. I'll also buy one nuke, how much will that be?
Canedian Army
01-08-2008, 19:55
6 million.
The Nuke is now moved to Parilisa, guarded by 30 soldiers.
Such a thing, worth so much, must be used good, and guarded good.
For everything is 6.4 million, maybe you want to buy other objects as well?
Parilisa
01-08-2008, 19:57
That will be all thank you. The guards may leave, I have my own security force taking care of them.

A pleasure doing business with you.
Blasterainia
01-08-2008, 20:09
To: Canedian Office of Foreign Affairs

Direct Communique From: President for life, Alexei Borislav-Alexandrovich, Blasterainia

Ill buy all 41 your Abrams Tanks for the full listed price of $36200000 CAD on two conditions.
1. All tanks a scrubbed down Turret to treads,
2. The entire exterior is made ready for repainting
3. Air Fresheners in the shape of Blasterainia are placed throughout the tanks.

I am hoping these conditions and prices are to you satisfaction and i hope to hear from you very soon.
USSNA
01-08-2008, 20:10
Hallow, may I be intrseted in bying 200 mp5s only strong, powerful and nuklears?
Canedian Army
02-08-2008, 12:03
mp5's are guns. However you may buy 200 ofcourse.
Canedian Army
02-08-2008, 12:33
The nuclear rocket is leaved to Parilisa's soldiers.
May i get the money?
Just say, that the money is given...
USSNA
02-08-2008, 16:05
No ay want noklear mp5 so I can mak nation big piece destroyered
Canedian Army
02-08-2008, 16:11
mp5's are guns! there dont exist a nuclear thing called mp5.
however i, if you want to, can sell you a nuclear rocket.
North-Point
02-08-2008, 16:45
to: canedia
from; norf pont

Hay

c4n we buy some stuffs from You. How Much Do You Want.

We are Wiling to Buy some Nukuler Rockets.

And Some MP5

And Some PSG90

And do you have any C4s. We are neding For C4. Bad.

thx
North-Point
02-08-2008, 16:46
ALSO why Do You Knot Selling For Helmets. My Army Neds Helmets!
Parilisa
02-08-2008, 16:47
The money for the nuclear rocket, and the PSG 90's has been transferred.
North-Point
02-08-2008, 16:48
HAY CANEDIA

Can You Sell Us Some Shipps.
Parilisa
02-08-2008, 17:04
Having read more about the "Chaffee" I've changed my mind.

Canedian Amry, can I have 10 M1 Abrams instead, please?
Canedian Army
02-08-2008, 17:14
O i am sorry, i answerd as roef, because he is my brother, he forgot to log out.
And i fogot to log in :P
Canedian Army
02-08-2008, 17:15
Having read more about the "Chaffee" I've changed my mind.

Canedian Amry, can I have 10 M1 Abrams instead, please?

That is possible.
That is ok.
Canedian Army
02-08-2008, 17:17
HAY CANEDIA

Can You Sell Us Some Shipps.

Yes, i will sell you some HMS collosusses.

I can sell you 25000 helmets, and thousands of MP5's, also a lot of PSG90's.

I can sell you 1 nuke, and i got 5 in production, and those will be ready in 20 min. Because, i whas already building them
Uiri
02-08-2008, 20:35
Caneda - please hand over ownership of your shop to Uiri now. Or else face the consequences of defying a 3 billion nation.
Salzland
02-08-2008, 21:23
Let me get this straight...

Your country has a population of ten million, yet you're able to crank out billions of dollars worth of nuclear weapons, in addition to hundreds of millions of dollars worth of tanks, jets, small arms and theater ballistic missiles, plus stuff that you "captured" in wars? Especially wars which, in the case of Nazi Albania, consisted solely of a God-moded one-sided conflict on a regional message board, where the other person never even showed up?

Wow.
North-Point
03-08-2008, 02:41
As I said in your other thread. Leave the selling of military weapons to people who know what we're doing (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=555788).
Tolvan
03-08-2008, 04:32
Let me get this straight...

Your country has a population of ten million, yet you're able to crank out billions of dollars worth of nuclear weapons, in addition to hundreds of millions of dollars worth of tanks, jets, small arms and theater ballistic missiles, plus stuff that you "captured" in wars? Especially wars which, in the case of Nazi Albania, consisted solely of a God-moded one-sided conflict on a regional message board, where the other person never even showed up?

Wow.

OOC: It's not worth trying to argue with this guy.
Salzland
03-08-2008, 04:38
OOC: It's not worth trying to argue with this guy.

I'm not trying to argue at all, I find the whole thing entertaining. Just like when his brother Roef tried to recruit people into his region to gang-God mod some poor guy who was never even notified that he was being invaded.
East Congaree
03-08-2008, 16:02
From: East Congaree Office of Foreign Affairs

To: Canadian Army Department of Foreign Affairs

lol srlsy gais sell us sum weppins lp0xxxx. wE need aa missol for shooten the wikkens srlslsy and the neegraws I Want sssairraft carreer 2.

With all hopes of confusing you,

East Congaree Secretary of Foreign Affairs- Jethro Potter
Parilisa
03-08-2008, 16:28
That is possible.
That is ok.

Right, send the 10 Abrams when you can, consider the money transferred as soon as you hand the tanks over.
1010102
03-08-2008, 16:41
How can you have used missiles?
North-Point
03-08-2008, 16:41
Hey Parilisa, you can give yourself real life weapons in any RP without paying for them...
Canedian Army
03-08-2008, 16:49
O the missiles arent used, and Uiri i will not hand over ownership, or maybe i will, but than there arent things to buy. Nah, i mean: NEVER!
Leistung
03-08-2008, 16:53
As I said in your other thread. Leave the selling of military weapons to people who know what we're doing (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=555788).

Probably the wrong place to say this, but seriously, he's not kidding. North Point's storefront is amazing--I've bought nearly (all but 2 ships) from him.
Canedian Army
03-08-2008, 16:55
Nice.
but first i didnt get this kind of crap, look at page 1, just buy something or dont say anything.
I dont want this shit every day again...
1010102
04-08-2008, 00:59
Nice.
but first i didnt get this kind of crap, look at page 1, just buy something or dont say anything.
I dont want this shit every day again...

Then don't make new storefronts selling 60 year old equipment everyday...
Uiri
04-08-2008, 01:57
O the missiles arent used, and Uiri i will not hand over ownership, or maybe i will, but than there arent things to buy. Nah, i mean: NEVER!

THAT IS WHAT I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR!

Why didn't you say no on the first page instead of annoying my gov't and trying to offer RL stuff? Besides, I don't have to transfer funds to another nation to get new RL weaponry.

If you won't hand over ownership your business will go bankrupt unless it is nationalized in which case you are Communist & an enemy of my nation ICly.
Canedian Army
04-08-2008, 10:04
Then don't make new storefronts selling 60 year old equipment everyday...

In this shop, there arent anything from 60 years old.
Only M1 abrams, and satelites and F-16's.
If you first read what i sell, maybe?
Canedian Army
04-08-2008, 10:06
THAT IS WHAT I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR!

Why didn't you say no on the first page instead of annoying my gov't and trying to offer RL stuff? Besides, I don't have to transfer funds to another nation to get new RL weaponry.

If you won't hand over ownership your business will go bankrupt unless it is nationalized in which case you are Communist & an enemy of my nation ICly.

Well, you know what? You can have it, but you may not have the things i sell.
Haha! NOT!
Bull_horns_rule
04-08-2008, 11:45
Well, you know what? You can have it, but you may not have the things i sell.
Haha! NOT!

OOC: That is pretty immature. Take peoples advice instead of ignoring it. Binaria(1010102) is an experienced roleplayer and was trying to help. You merely ignored him. They are trying to help you learn from your mistakes. And you don't want to, that will lead to your permanent status as a n00b.
Salzland
04-08-2008, 11:52
In this shop, there arent anything from 60 years old.
Only M1 abrams, and satelites and F-16's.
If you first read what i sell, maybe?


Other:
1000 V2 rockets (450.000 dollar each) (SOLD all for 325 million)
2 nuclear rockets (25 million each now) (1 SOLD)
M24 Chaffee Tank (150.000 each)



You mean like your V-2 rockets and M-24 tanks? Because I could swear I read about them being used in World War 2...

Don't insult Binaria when he's right.
Canedian Army
04-08-2008, 12:10
Yes but i dont only sell 60 year old crap.
Most stuff is new,
O and Bull_horns_rule
I sad that to Uiri, who wants my shop as his, not that i sell so much now...
Salzland
04-08-2008, 12:30
V-2 rockets and M-24 Tanks are "60 year old" crap, whether they were made yesterday or made back in 1944.

They cannot compete in any way, shape or form with any modern weapons systems (or, in many cases, weapons systems that are several generations old). M-24 tanks would be ripped apart by modern armored forces, and V-2 rockets would be lucky to hit the city you aimed them at, let alone a specific target in that city. For what you're charging for them, I can come up with at least half a dozen cheaper, modern weapons that would effectively counter them.
Canedian Army
04-08-2008, 12:50
Yes i sad:
I dont ONLY sell 60 year old crap.
Uiri
04-08-2008, 12:53
Yes but i dont only sell 60 year old crap.
Most stuff is new,
O and Bull_horns_rule
I sad that to Uiri, who wants my shop as his, hot that i sell so much now...

It appears that we have a failure to communicate.


I Want To Buy
The Shop Off Of You
In Order To Close It

Also, sarcasm is hard to convey in text and you didn't get this crap on the first page because it was one newb paying a n00b gov't funds for no particular reason.

Also, a few tips:

1. Unless you can think up your own equipment don't make a storefront.
2. People are trying to help you learn about the generally accepted, semi-written rules of II
3. Use proper grammar and spell correctly.
4. Keep your head down as much as you can until you reach 500 million. That way you might ICly reach 500 million.

:)
Salzland
04-08-2008, 12:54
And you also said:


In this shop, there arent anything from 60 years old.
Only M1 abrams, and satelites and F-16's.
If you first read what i sell, maybe?
Canedian Army
04-08-2008, 12:58
Yes but the 60 year old are already sold.
Canedian Army
04-08-2008, 12:59
It appears that we have a failure to communicate.


I Want To Buy
The Shop Off Of You
In Order To Close It



:)


And if you want to buy anything you must pay.
Lynion
04-08-2008, 13:00
Canedian Army, what you need to do is to have a look around at the current storefronts to get ideas about how to make one of your own. The best one I can think of is Lyran's Storefront and North Point's Storefront. They come up with their own plans and ideas, plus, their stuff are actually pretty good.
Roef
04-08-2008, 13:02
M1 abrams are good to right? However i am going to look...
Canedian Army
04-08-2008, 13:03
Yea. But i will go look than...
Evansville Grand
04-08-2008, 13:06
I wish to purchase 1 nuclear weapon from you
Bull_horns_rule
04-08-2008, 13:30
Yes but i dont only sell 60 year old crap.
Most stuff is new,
O and Bull_horns_rule
I sad that to Uiri, who wants my shop as his, not that i sell so much now...

OOC: The response was immature.
Uiri
04-08-2008, 15:10
And if you want to buy anything you must pay.

This stuff you sell is from RL. Basically, production rights are free so I can domestically produce it for my army. No need to pay you or even pay anyone other than factory workers.

M1 abrams are good to right? However i am going to look...

Lets compare it to the Leclerc MBT, shall we?

Produced? M1 - 1979 - present; Leclerc - 1990 - present
Weight? M1 - 61.4 tonnes; Leclerc - 54.5 tonnes
Armour? M1 - Cobham RHA; Leclerc - Steel, titanium, NERA
Primary Armament? M1 - 105 mm M68 rifled cannon; Leclerc - 120 mm tank gun
Operational Range? M1 - 465.29 km; Leclerc - 550 km

Leclerc is newer, lighter, has a bigger gun and can go farther and still come back. Still think the M1 is good? My point is more there are better tanks than the Leclerc pwns.
Canedian Army
04-08-2008, 16:58
This stuff you sell is from RL. Basically, production rights are free so I can domestically produce it for my army. No need to pay you or even pay anyone other than factory workers.

Yes, but that takes time to build, here it is ready.
Canedian Army
04-08-2008, 17:00
Lets compare it to the Leclerc MBT, shall we?

Produced? M1 - 1979 - present; Leclerc - 1990 - present
Weight? M1 - 61.4 tonnes; Leclerc - 54.5 tonnes
Armour? M1 - Cobham RHA; Leclerc - Steel, titanium, NERA
Primary Armament? M1 - 105 mm M68 rifled cannon; Leclerc - 120 mm tank gun
Operational Range? M1 - 465.29 km; Leclerc - 550 km

Leclerc is newer, lighter, has a bigger gun and can go farther and still come back. Still think the M1 is good? My point is more there are better tanks than the Leclerc pwns.


Yes this is good, but i also think that the M1 abram is good.
Even if you got better.
Uiri
04-08-2008, 18:00
Yes, but that takes time to build, here it is ready.

.........
It also takes time to grow to 2.99 billion. I haven't been in a war for months BTW.

Yes this is good, but i also think that the M1 abram is good.
Even if you got better.

I didn't say it wasn't good. I said I have better and it costs me less. You tell me which one is a bargain and which one should sell the store before it goes bankrupt.
North-Point
04-08-2008, 19:09
Too bad the LeClerc will never see combat. :3

And sorry but no, the M1A2 Abrams is still the best tank in the world hands down.

Also, Canedian Army, take our advice etc.
Tolvan
04-08-2008, 20:05
OOC: If you're gonna sell RL tanks at least sell the M1A2 or the Leopard 2A6.
Uiri
04-08-2008, 20:08
North-Point - M1A2 Abrams has a 120mm M256 smoothbore cannon instead of the 105mm M68 rifled cannon. In all respects, the Leclerc matches or surpasses the M1A2 Abrams in terms of quality, atleast in my opinion. Just because it is being used in Iraq doesn't make it best. One more thing, 15 Leclerc have been deployed in Kosovo and 13 have been deployed in south Lebanon.
Tolvan
04-08-2008, 20:12
North-Point - M1A2 Abrams has a 120mm M256 smoothbore cannon instead of the 105mm M68 rifled cannon. In all respects, the Leclerc matches or surpasses the M1A2 Abrams in terms of quality, atleast in my opinion. Just because it is being used in Iraq doesn't make it best. One more thing, 15 Leclerc have been deployed in Kosovo and 13 have been deployed in south Lebanon.

OOC: On paper they're comparable, but only the Abrams has actual combat experience. Peacekeeping operations is nothing like the action the Abrams saw in Iraq (both times).
Uiri
04-08-2008, 20:13
not comparable better. And the Leclerc's performance has been judged as satisfactory by French officials and hell, thats plenty good for me.
Leistung
04-08-2008, 20:16
North-Point - M1A2 Abrams has a 120mm M256 smoothbore cannon instead of the 105mm M68 rifled cannon. In all respects, the Leclerc matches or surpasses the M1A2 Abrams in terms of quality, atleast in my opinion. Just because it is being used in Iraq doesn't make it best. One more thing, 15 Leclerc have been deployed in Kosovo and 13 have been deployed in south Lebanon.

Ha! Les chars français sont pas mal, mais, les chars américain sont plus bon. North Point est raison--le M1A2 est le char supérieur.

French-slapped.
Tolvan
04-08-2008, 20:18
not comparable better. And the Leclerc's performance has been judged as satisfactory by French officials and hell, thats plenty good for me.

So being judged satisfactory based solely on training exercises and a few small sclae peacekeeping exercises trumps being completely dominant in actual open combat?
Uiri
04-08-2008, 20:24
A mon avis, Le chars français est plus légers comme le chars americaine. Lit mon comparison si vous plaits.

Yes, my french = not so good. But hey, I comprehend fine.


Tolvan - bering better on paper and being good enough for the French Army is good enough for me. You can't compare the Leclerc to a tank with high-intentsity experience because France hasn't been involved in such a conflict since the year after the Gulf War of '91.
Leistung
04-08-2008, 20:35
A mon avis, Le chars français est plus légers comme le chars americaine. Lit mon comparison si vous plaits.

Yes, my french = not so good. But hey, I comprehend fine.


Tolvan - bering better on paper and being good enough for the French Army is good enough for me. You can't compare the Leclerc to a tank with high-intentsity experience because France hasn't been involved in such a conflict since the year after the Gulf War of '91.

Pas mal! Vous parlez excellent, mais, vous avez dit "si vous plaits." Vous devriez avoir dit "s'il vous plait."

And yeah, the Leclerc is lighter, but who really cares? The French will never need to use it, unless Burgundy gets invaded by the Germans for their wine.

Vive le vin!

Ok, this is seriously off-topic. I'm just going to slink off into a corner now...
Uiri
04-08-2008, 20:42
yeah, I think more in terms of sound than spelling and thats how I sometimes get confused when someone speaks to me. Anyways, you are right, especially with the shit job Sarkozy is doing. Although its not like the left would be any better I suppose. France is really stuck. And besides, Germany wouldn't invade France and even if they did it would be more for Alsasce-Lorraine than for Burgundy and the wine. Anyways, going off-topic

slinks off to 'my' corner.
Tolvan
04-08-2008, 21:28
Tolvan - bering better on paper and being good enough for the French Army is good enough for me. You can't compare the Leclerc to a tank with high-intentsity experience because France hasn't been involved in such a conflict since the year after the Gulf War of '91.

Remember that the French had better tanks on paper (and had more of them) then the Germans in 1939. Look how that worked for them. The fact is until a tank (or any weapon for that matter) sees service you don't know how good (or bad) it really is. A US tank company with M1A2s would wipe a Leclerc unit out in short order in a stand up fight. The Leclerc sacrifices armor for speed and lgihter weight, neither of which means that much anyway. The LeClerc has no answer for IVIS and all the neat little electronic goodies the Abrams carries.

We should stop cluttering this thread with this though. If you wanna continue we'll start a tank thread in NSG.
North-Point
05-08-2008, 00:07
Hey, I like the LeClerc, but my RAGING AMERICAN PATRIOTISM forces me to love the M1A2 equally as much. :P
Leistung
05-08-2008, 00:12
OOC: yeah, and my American patriotism makes me think that M1A2 stand for "My God is #1, Allah is #2"
East Congaree
17-08-2008, 12:43
OOC: yeah, and my American patriotism makes me think that M1A2 stand for "My God is #1, Allah is #2"

OOC: What? The Abrhamic god is the recognized god in Christianity and Islam.....
Cascade States
17-08-2008, 18:45
A mon avis, Le chars français est plus légers comme le chars americaine. Lit mon comparison si vous plaits.

Yes, my french = not so good. But hey, I comprehend fine.


Tolvan - bering better on paper and being good enough for the French Army is good enough for me. You can't compare the Leclerc to a tank with high-intentsity experience because France hasn't been involved in such a conflict since the year after the Gulf War of '91.

While the Leceric Looks good, and has lots of options which should make for a great tank. It has not seen action yet. And that's what really matters.
Cascade States
17-08-2008, 18:47
OOC: What? The Abrhamic god is the recognized god in Christianity and Islam.....

Muslims, Jews, and Christians.
Cascade States
17-08-2008, 18:53
This stuff you sell is from RL. Basically, production rights are free so I can domestically produce it for my army. No need to pay you or even pay anyone other than factory workers.



Lets compare it to the Leclerc MBT, shall we?

Produced? M1 - 1979 - present; Leclerc - 1990 - present
Weight? M1 - 61.4 tonnes; Leclerc - 54.5 tonnes
Armour? M1 - Cobham RHA; Leclerc - Steel, titanium, NERA
Primary Armament? M1 - 105 mm M68 rifled cannon; Leclerc - 120 mm tank gun
Operational Range? M1 - 465.29 km; Leclerc - 550 km

Leclerc is newer, lighter, has a bigger gun and can go farther and still come back. Still think the M1 is good? My point is more there are better tanks than the Leclerc pwns.

I think if you look the Abrams was upgraded with a 120mm cannon, only the first productions were 105mm.
That extra 7 tons of armor makes the Abrams a beast, and one which has survived some terrible blows. It is definately one of ( if not The ) worlds
best tank.
I also like Merkava series