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100,000 Type 002 Nuclear Granades available for swapping. Reply to this thread for some!
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OOC: I added a soldier for scale. You're welcome.

http://img.skitch.com/20080731-nee2qecg3f4u9ack2jgnfhwgtj.png

What I'm trying to say is that nukes the size of grenades wouldn't be real nukes. A certain amount of radioactive stuff (that's a technical term right there) is required to make a nuclear explosion.

ooc: LOL! no no no. one if thi was MT impossible if it was FT it would be weakand / or lamo since just about eveyrone has nuke withstanding armour amirite and like pistol firing AM/M rounds amirite?

Ministry of Defence of the Free Republic of Kahanistan

Given our current military situation, the Government of Kahanistan would like to obtain 100 of these atomic hand grenades for testing. If they meet our requirements, a larger order will be placed.

State your price per grenade and the money will be wired.

Signed,
Marshal Leon Kostanov,
Army Chief of Staff

Grenades arent nukes, however it is possible that they include a bit of nuclear stuff.
It just arent that big nukes you know.


The Canedian army want to buy 1050 of them.
We use 50 to test, are they good, we will buy more.
If not, we will use them for the army and we wont buy new.

Alsi, that if they are good, my army, the Canedian army, woud want to buy the bleuprints. So we can make them ourself. But if they are bad, we wont.

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Canedian army

Woah woah woah... nuclear weapons cannot be made the size of hand grenades with any real economic advantage. Period. And why?

Critical masses. You need a certain amount of the fissile element to reach critical mass before you can get a nuclear explosion. For Uranium 235, it's twenty kilograms. Even for Plutonium, it's ten kilograms. Now put that against how much a standard hand grenade weighs, in addition to the high explosives, container, control mechanism and fiddly electronics. Then add to the fact that this is the absolute limit of what can be achieved, which has not been done yet even with the most advanced devices, and it becomes an impossibility.

Your only chance is Californium, with a critical mass of five kilograms. However, you have a problem with Californium, namely its price tag - $100 billion for the material alone. Add to that the complex device needed...

How much is a nuclear rocket worth anyway?

OOC:I'm sorry - Aren't grenades for attacking enermy infantryman - thrown from an enemy infantryman?

Therefore if the explosion is too big they'll blow themselves up?

Secondly, if it is possible to do this, why would you? :)

I HAVE A NUCLEAR GRENADE NOW!!!!


Epic fail

Hundreds of thousands for the actual missile, and a few million/tens of million for the warhead itself. Add to that the guidance systems, a price tag of at most $50 million. Now, that is more than a thousand times cheaper than this nuclear hand grenade...

Woah woah woah... nuclear weapons cannot be made the size of hand grenades with any real economic advantage. Period. And why?

Critical masses. You need a certain amount of the fissile element to reach critical mass before you can get a nuclear explosion. For Uranium 235, it's twenty kilograms. Even for Plutonium, it's ten kilograms. Now put that against how much a standard hand grenade weighs, in addition to the high explosives, container, control mechanism and fiddly electronics. Then add to the fact that this is the absolute limit of what can be achieved, which has not been done yet even with the most advanced devices, and it becomes an impossibility.

Your only chance is Californium, with a critical mass of five kilograms. However, you have a problem with Californium, namely its price tag - $100 billion for the material alone. Add to that the complex device needed...

QFT. Seriously, kids, don't do stupid designs. Let the NS Draftroom (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?) help.

OOC: This is beyond stupid. If you want to act like this, then take it to the people at the NS Draftroom. Please, stop wasting space in this forum.

You know Moleland was really the only one who spotted the issue that a handgrenade couldn't actually be thrown far enough that if it was a nuclear weapon in it that everyone would die.

It's a super suicide charge. Albeit, it can be thrown, but that's a moot point isn't it?

To all of the naysayers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_%28nuclear_device%29

Utterly silly and impractical, but still possible :p

Rebellions and Terrorists will love these. They usually have a never ending supply of willing fools to blow themselves and God-knows-how-many people to hell. It's ridiculous, if you can get just one person close enough, your whole army disappeared in a nuclear fireball. Not only that, the area will be radioactive afterward, so you can't send another one in that way. All you need is one person. And you can't nuke back, because they're terrorists, they don't have a base of operations. In the end they win, and you loose several million dollars worth of warmachines and trained personnel.

God forbid they use it to turn one of your cities into a crater.

This is not

http://syndicate.lubie.org/swars/html/swars_weapons_middle.php#nucleargrenade

Fails automatically.

And of course, all Syndicate Series are either in Post Modern Tech or Future Tech.

The Davy Crockett warhead unit does not weigh the 1kg a hand grenade does - rather, it weighs 23kg. Using plutonium, that's within the minimal device size constraints, unlike the grenade.

Another consideration is the actual size of the blast - if it did even work (which it doesn't), then the maximal yield (running by the figures provided in the link) would be about 1 tonne TNT equivalent.

Al you've got at the moment is a radiological device: a weapon that splutters bits of radioactive material around an area, causing higher background levels of radiation. If it's Uranium, fine: not too bad to the target. Now if it was a plutonium grenade (if you could afford a few tens of thousands of dollars for the plutonium), that would have more of an impact, depending on the isotope used.

To all of the naysayers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_%28nuclear_device%29

Utterly silly and impractical, but still possible :p

The "Atomic Battle Group" ... best name ever.

You know Moleland was really the only one who spotted the issue that a handgrenade couldn't actually be thrown far enough that if it was a nuclear weapon in it that everyone would die.

:hail:

Stop spamming you immature teens. This guy APPARENTLY is new to NationStates *lul, July 2008 join date....It's July 31! Or August 1st in some zones* Instead of your stupid "lulz, diz iz funni. im 2 kool 2 giv advic" crap, actually give him some slack. He's new, damnit....

Seriously, excluding a few guys like Alfegros and Kahanistan who actually tries to make an RP out of it, you guys are dolts. Jesus, like you guys were never newbies at one point? God damn.....

So stop spamming the thread and gtfo. And to think I'm associated with some immature brats....>______>

Stop spamming you immature teens. This guy APPARENTLY is new to NationStates *lul, July 2008 join date....It's July 31! Or August 1st in some zones* Instead of your stupid "lulz, diz iz funni. im 2 kool 2 giv advic" crap, actually give him some slack. He's new, damnit....

Seriously, excluding a few guys like Alfegros and Kahanistan who actually tries to make an RP out of it, you guys are dolts. Jesus, like you guys were never newbies at one point? God damn.....

So stop spamming the thread and gtfo. And to think I'm associated with some immature brats....>______>

Since this is pretty much a pure flame against a dozen people.. *reported*

Please Note that the Democratic Dictatorship of Revanati is now selling on the open market a new weapon system that makes all your weapons redundant.

The Temporal Cannon completely wipes your enemies from existance. In fact, after extensive testing, we found that you do not even remember having any enemies in the first place, so do not feel the need to buy the weapon to begin with. Yes, it is that effective.

We were going to charge a billion dollars per weapon system and make a killing in the weapons manafacturing industry, but every time we made a sale, the client would destroy all his enemies and as a result, create a paradox that defeated the purpose of buying the weapon in the first place.

So here we are, with a Billion dollar gun that nobody will buy because it is too effective.

(tosses gun in waste paper basket)

Woah woah woah... nuclear weapons cannot be made the size of hand grenades with any real economic advantage. Period. And why?

Critical masses. You need a certain amount of the fissile element to reach critical mass before you can get a nuclear explosion. For Uranium 235, it's twenty kilograms. Even for Plutonium, it's ten kilograms. Now put that against how much a standard hand grenade weighs, in addition to the high explosives, container, control mechanism and fiddly electronics. Then add to the fact that this is the absolute limit of what can be achieved, which has not been done yet even with the most advanced devices, and it becomes an impossibility.

Your only chance is Californium, with a critical mass of five kilograms. However, you have a problem with Californium, namely its price tag - $100 billion for the material alone. Add to that the complex device needed...

I Agree, It is more of Future Tech then anything else, since Small Nukes like the ones on Starship Troopers is more in the FT field.

I Agree, It is more of Future Tech then anything else, since Small Nukes like the ones on Starship Troopers is more in the FT field.

You don't mean the shit ass movie do you? Because if you do, you a lot more retarded than I though you are.

yea he is right, this is just stupid. If you trow, you die yourself, go sell it to terrorists.

Stop spamming you immature teens. This guy APPARENTLY is new to NationStates *lul, July 2008 join date....It's July 31! Or August 1st in some zones* Instead of your stupid "lulz, diz iz funni. im 2 kool 2 giv advic" crap, actually give him some slack. He's new, damnit....

Seriously, excluding a few guys like Alfegros and Kahanistan who actually tries to make an RP out of it, you guys are dolts. Jesus, like you guys were never newbies at one point? God damn.....

So stop spamming the thread and gtfo. And to think I'm associated with some immature brats....>______>

Aren't you deleted yet?

This isn't spam, we're pointing out a fundimental flaw in this weapon..... It can't be done, used or mass produced becuase, and this is the important bit, it's impossible. And even if it were, Moleland correctly pointed out that it is useless because the thrower can't hurl it far enough to kill everyone and survive. And if anyone says "OH! They're for sucide bombers or my troops are going on a mission where they won't return so it doesn't matter if they die" then I submit to you: Why not just use ordinary nuclear missiles or a dirty bomb?

And don't give us stick about being newbies when your attitude to everyone here (experiance players or not) is disgusting. Your comment is not constructive to the thread in anyway what so ever and you've dilberately posted here to mock and annoy everybody here. Just... for the love of God and for the whole Nationstates forum community... just grow up!

Aren't you deleted yet?



I Ask my self that question all the time.

I had a thought about this and I would like to say it is vertically impossible to do this because for this to happen it'll be the size of a small nuclear missile. Add the two types of material you then needs the metal to hold it in and then you need the clothing to absorb the raditiation. It goes on and on plus the throwers would die from the raditation or from the explosion. So really its pointless.

Said it already Lynion.

If anyone wants a basic lesson in nuclear physics, TG me.

You don't mean the shit ass movie do you? Because if you do, you a lot more retarded than I though you are.

OOC: Actually, if you'd do yourself the favor and read the book, the MIs are equipped with tiny tactical nukes on certain missions for wiping out factories and military complexes and such.

Hmm. They also have a neat device. It's described as a Y-shaped launcher rack on their back. It can be set to automaticly hurl grenades and other explosives every few seconds a certain distance from the trooper as they fight.

I Ask my self that question all the time.

What I ask is why you haven't been deleted for that Legacy of Fris this in your sig.

And Blud, thats called a mortar.

OOC: This troll...it has done well. *shakes head and leaves thread muttering "if people would stop responding to short, obviously idiotic posts made by trolls with less than ten posts, the world would be a better place"*

You don't mean the shit ass movie do you? Because if you do, you a lot more retarded than I though you are.

ooc: actually, I believe he was referring to the book (heck less than 3 pages into it and they are using tiny-nukes on the battlefield)

In the movie, love it or hate it, they did use a Davy Crockett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)) version of the weapon.

BTW: tone down the attitude. I was literally already writing a report in the mod's section before I decided to just let it go since normally you are level-headed.

ooc they used a nuke RPG just look at the warhead an you see it the shape of a RPG

OOC: Nuclear grenades? They look like rusty war museum exhibits.

OOC: Nuclear Grenades don't exist, neither do nuclear RPG's. The smallest nuclear delivery system(that is not carried around) was the Davy Crocket, which was more of a inaccurate nuclear mortar that had too be either set-up or towed around on a jeep.

South Lizasauria shall give you the designs for machines that turn corpses into diamonds if you give us 100,000 of these grenades. This deal is negotiable.

ooc: actually, I believe he was referring to the book (heck less than 3 pages into it and they are using tiny-nukes on the battlefield)

In the movie, love it or hate it, they did use a Davy Crockett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)) version of the weapon.

BTW: tone down the attitude. I was literally already writing a report in the mod's section before I decided to just let it go since normally you are level-headed.

The mods stopped caring about what Hataria does. And I very much don't think he has read the book. He refuses to listen to critism, openly disrespects the mods in his sig, and should be IP banned for everything he has done over the past 5 years.

OOC: Wouldn't this be more of a dirty grenade, than a nuke grenade?

For all essential purposes, yes.

OOC: Wouldn't this be more of a dirty grenade, than a nuke grenade?

OOC: Well the weapon is still useless anyways, because your own soldiers would get sick. This is completely impractical.

OOC: Well the weapon is still useless anyways, because your own soldiers would get sick. This is completely impractical.

OOC: Not if you wear full MOPP gear, but I agree it is a dumb idea.

OOC: Not if you wear full MOPP gear, but I agree it is a dumb idea.

I assume that you are talking about an environmentally sealed suit or something. Great if you are fighting in a sealed, low rad environment for a short period, useless if you are near a nuclear reaction.

You would need a suit lined with about a foot and a half of lead to resist the radioactive effects of a nuke blast.
To survive the actual blast, probably another oh, about six foot of heat resistant material...

You could of course, ensure that you had a white-washed wall behind you when you threw your nuclear grenade, that way when the blast went off you would have a photograpic image of the particles that were blown out of your body and into the paint on the wall, but that's just the artist in me coming out.

Smile for the Camera!

1010102, warned for flaming, yellow card. Others will probably follow as I go through this thread.

Fair enough to explain why, in your world, this wouldn't work, or to supply links where a newcomer can learn more about II conventions.

Not fair enough to flame him or others, or hijack this thread to rehash old scores.

In general terms, cut out the nonsense and let the OP sort things out.

I assume that you are talking about an environmentally sealed suit or something. Great if you are fighting in a sealed, low rad environment for a short period, useless if you are near a nuclear reaction.

You would need a suit lined with about a foot and a half of lead to resist the radioactive effects of a nuke blast.
To survive the actual blast, probably another oh, about six foot of heat resistant material...

You could of course, ensure that you had a white-washed wall behind you when you threw your nuclear grenade, that way when the blast went off you would have a photograpic image of the particles that were blown out of your body and into the paint on the wall, but that's just the artist in me coming out.

Smile for the Camera!

Your points would be valid if i was referring to an actual nuclear bomb but we're talking about a "dirty grenade" which would scatter radioactive aprticles over a fairly small area once it detonated. The average grunt could proably throw one far enough to avoid most of the rad materials released, as long as he didn't stay around too long.

Basically a dirty grenade is doable but pointless.

This should be ignored in all MT and probably even PMT situations, reasoning being it's complete and total lunacy. There is no way a hand grenade can be made into a nuclear weapon. Perhaps in way FT yeah but no way in any MT application or even PMT. This should be treated like those "OMG GIGATON" nuclear warheads people load onto ICBMs and fire 20,000 miles away.

I'd advise closure of this thread. The author clearly isnt going to post here again, if he ever posts on the board again, and the discussion in this thread isnt going anywhere meaningful.
Its just really depressing >_>

Isn't it, er, a bad idea to give all of your infantry soldiers nuclear bombs? Even if it were feasible (it isn't), or even financially possible (it also isn't), wouldn't you think nuclear weapons might require more care or expertise than the average infantryman can provide?

OOC: I added a soldier for scale. You're welcome.

http://img.skitch.com/20080731-nee2qecg3f4u9ack2jgnfhwgtj.png

What I'm trying to say is that nukes the size of grenades wouldn't be real nukes. A certain amount of radioactive stuff (that's a technical term right there) is required to make a nuclear explosion.

The term is critical mass.

Stop spamming you immature teens. This guy APPARENTLY is new to NationStates *lul, July 2008 join date....It's July 31! Or August 1st in some zones* Instead of your stupid "lulz, diz iz funni. im 2 kool 2 giv advic" crap, actually give him some slack. He's new, damnit....

Seriously, excluding a few guys like Alfegros and Kahanistan who actually tries to make an RP out of it, you guys are dolts. Jesus, like you guys were never newbies at one point? God damn.....

So stop spamming the thread and gtfo. And to think I'm associated with some immature brats....>______>

Quit flaming. Your intentions were good, but your execution wasn't.

Since this is pretty much a pure flame against a dozen people.. *reported*

To whom? I've checked the Moderation forum and the mods' tasklist, and there's no note from you. Do feel free to report rulebreaking, but don't feel free to use mods as weapons in your arguments.

Aren't you deleted yet?
<snip bit relevant to the topic>
And don't give us stick about being newbies when your attitude to everyone here (experiance players or not) is disgusting. Your comment is not constructive to the thread in anyway what so ever and you've dilberately posted here to mock and annoy everybody here. Just... for the love of God and for the whole Nationstates forum community... just grow up!

Warned for flaming, yellow card.

OOC: This is beyond stupid. If you want to act like this, then take it to the people at the NS Draftroom. Please, stop wasting space in this forum.

Relatively helpful, though I can't see how you'd expect someone to listen to you when you abuse them, but not as helpful as this:

QFT. Seriously, kids, don't do stupid designs. Let the NS Draftroom (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?) help.

The link is what makes the difference.

100,000 Type 002 Nuclear Granades available for swapping. Reply to this thread for some!
Click to see... http://2db.free.fr/images/grenade_mk2/grenade.jpg:D

As you'll see, I've cut your type size and linked to your pic. Type size=volume of speech, and that was shouting. The pic was just too big. Please consider other users.

Dontgonearthere, thanks, but I thought I'd leave it open in case anyone else had more to say on the feasibility of nuclear grenades. Newbies might find it useful.

A nuclear hand grenade was a project for the US in the 1950s. They found it would be basicly an oversized football, and weigh so much the strongest athletes in the world (Let alone the army) would be unable to throw it beyond it's own blast radius. So yea, it's a bad idea.

Now something like the Davey Crockett, not bad. And nuclear landmines, still win.

I assume that you are talking about an environmentally sealed suit or something. Great if you are fighting in a sealed, low rad environment for a short period, useless if you are near a nuclear reaction.

You would need a suit lined with about a foot and a half of lead to resist the radioactive effects of a nuke blast.
To survive the actual blast, probably another oh, about six foot of heat resistant material...

You could of course, ensure that you had a white-washed wall behind you when you threw your nuclear grenade, that way when the blast went off you would have a photograpic image of the particles that were blown out of your body and into the paint on the wall, but that's just the artist in me coming out.

Smile for the Camera!

I would like to appologise for this previous rant. The rant was meant only in a humourous context and was never meant to be insultive.

Having reviewed the term "Flaming" I now understand my rant may have caused offense to those in this forum.

This incident will not be repeated again.

We've got Nuclear Muffins. Does that count?