NationStates Jolt Archive

4:32 PM, Presidential Palace
Easen, Greston

President Jerry Striker took a nice whiff of the morning air. He was pacing him self down the walk way in the center courtyard; a Michael Richardson directly to his left and worried Speaker, David Telliner, a few steps behind to his right. In tail was a few aids, a Minister of State Mrs. Alison Krippin, and a Parliament Man who was tagging along with the group.

"Earlier this morning a proposal was brought down to the Congressional Parliament. It is based upon recent LION and Hegemony actions. It is finally time for the glorious republic to attack that scum," said Michael heartedly.

Jerry gave a smirk, he knew about the proposal and how it was passed and then brought over to the Federal Parliament which from there was revised and passed again. In fact, the document was in the President's hand then. He held a firm grip on it, as if it was extremely important.

LION had been planning the movement for a bit, a as of late all of the memberstates had agreed, except for no responses from Akimonad and Oceana.

"What to you propose we do, Mr. Richardson? The entirety of the military is on stand by, with Cradocks International Fleet as the exception," Striker thought over the conquest of Ryou. But that was on no concern.

"Are you suggesting how much we should deploy? Well a good enough amount to topple a few flag waving, gun touting maniacs I should guess," Michael couldn't help but laugh.

The men flew down a few hallways until they were facing the Presidential Office Staff Security. They were immediately allowed in and Jerry, Michael, David, and Alison flowed in. Already there was Minister Douglas Pire and Minister Jackson Garfeild.

The two ministers had already hammered out a few ideas and they were ready. The room was dry as the President slid back into his brown leather seat and drew out a pen and began to write the ultimatum.

5:13 PM, Docks
Rellington, Greston

It was a nostalgic scene, a scene of massive naval ships gathering into their newly coordinated formations. Scores of ships were packing up and departing along with the men that had filed on not to long ago. Some of the men had looks of gloom, others of joy. And some, such as Fleet Admiral David Robern, the tingly and ominous look of revenge.

9:23 PM, GMNS Charles Dalton
Mednordian Sea, Mediterranica

Rear Admirals James Mariner and Isaac Blane stood around their fleet admiral, Admiral David Robern, as they trailed through the water. It plowed out of the way for the ships bow. The three men, who stood over the stern, gazed around them, the clear, blue, sparkling water they saw then the might not see again, or they would see it again but after seeing water once like it only polluted by a dark redness.

"There's something to be said for immense naval power," the Fleet Admiral stared at the night time sky, the stars looked down back at him.

"Of course, sir," Isaac replied. "If not what has allowed the Republic to survive this long? It is the only reason we are the most well funded branch. More so then the dirt rippers we transport."

The admirals chuckled to the remark.

"Our navy not only allows us to survive but to stop the chances of just so for others. Our ideological enemies, enemies who threaten our ideals and beliefes. They must be silenced. They must be destroyed! The decadent dictatorship of Lord Sumguy must be destroyed," the evil sensation of the speech moved the men, it kept them going as they thriftfully plotted the end of the Hegemony.

Official Grestonian Communiqué

To: Hegemon Lord Sumguy
CC: President Ingram Hasley of Cazelia, President Martin Watson of Greal, President A. Daril of Alfegos, Prime Minister Jarek Mace of DaWoad, President Vladimir Burte of Burtilana, President Adam Jackson of Mokastana
From: President and Imperial Parliamentarian The Rt. Hon. Sir Jerry Striker
Subject: Initiation of Operation Flaming Canapés

Dear Hegemon Lord Sumguy,

The time of the Hegemony is over - you face imminent destruction at the hands of one of the most powerful naval forces in the world. Millions of soldiers will wash over your country like a tsunami, destroying everything in their path - your culture, your civilization, your economy, your institutions. The behomeths inside of them will come out, and by the end of the day, you will understand why we are called LION.

The Hegemony actions and policies more often than not aggressive and, all too often, violent in nature; which is why, now, the League of Imperial Ocean-Faring Nations is making an offensive position against you. Not only has your puppet state, the warmongering, aggressive, fourth world slums, Cazelia, delivered messages to us in a threatening manner but your land fill to be, DaWoad, chose to attempt to attack our naval operations in a foreign area.

Furthermore the Alfegosian Drones abruptly engaged soldiers from the Desserted Territories, while only patrolling the area, which with more Hegemonic hypocracy evolved into all out offense upon the nation's homeland. This breach of sovereignty is disgusting as is but the fact Maldorian assets and Grestonian assets were in the area is much more so.

Thus we are asking you to abolish the Hegemony at LION's hands. Else, it will be distabilized and destroyed by our hands.

Choose wisely, would you wish to see Sumgaia become a Joint LION Territory, or Yarkai City an outpost, or worse, the Hegemony Councol Chambers become home to the next blender?

From,
President and Imperial Parliamentarian The Rt. Hon. Sir Jerry Striker

OOC: Closed, TG me or LS to enter. Hegemony members and LION members pre approved.

CLOSED until future date. *slaps Mal across the back of the head for not mentioning what LS said*

Well, its about damn time/tag/character limits suck ass

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|Official Diplomatic Communique of the Promethian Republic of Faxanavia|

To: Hegemon Lord Sumguy
CC: President Ingram Hasley of Cazelia, President Martin Watson of Greal, President A. Daril of Alfegos, Prime Minister Jarek Mace of DaWoad, President Vladimir Burte of Burtilana, President Adam Jackson of Mokastana

Dear sirs,
I shall not trifle with your time, nor shall I make my intentions any less then clear. You have all received the communication from the Imperial Republic of New Greston. You have all seen the power the League wields. I speak now as the President of the League and as the Prime Minister of a nation who has fought alongside the League many a time- give in peacefully and give in now. Disband your false Hegemony, and give in to the demands of the Grestonians. Any differentiations from that path shall lead the Hegemony into its own private hell at the hands of the League. Your nations torn asunder by our bombs, your cities ripped apart in fiery destruction. Close your eyes, and imagine the sky falling. Then, accept the Grestonians, disband your Hegemony, or face this reality. And make your choice wisely, whatever you do.

Respectfully yours,
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Garret Linsares
Prime Minister of the Promethian Republic of Faxanavia, President of the League of Imperial Ocean-faring Nations, Defender of the Republic and her People


The Faxanavian Republican Navy ships cut a smart profile as they chugged tirelessly through choppy, foreign waters out towards Mediterranica to meet up with the Grestonian fleet already on its way from there. On the deck of the HPS Superlative, Chief Admiral Charles Elexburg stood, back to the prow, surveying the fleet to his command. The 3rd unioned fleet was so named because it represented the third fleet in Faxanavian history of its size- 6 carrier groups, over 3000 planes on-board, and thousands of men, all under his command. They were bound first for the seas of Mediterranica, and then for where ever this war took them- to defend and serve the name of the League, and to wipe these Hegemonic scum off the face of the earth if necessary. Admiral Elexburg smiled a grim smile. Today was a good day to make those bastards die.


ORBAT:

Carrier Battle Group 6
CVN-316- HPS Superlative : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CVN-317- HPS Zeus : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CVN-318- HPS Poseidon : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CGN-64 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-65 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-66 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-67 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-68 : California-class Cruiser
DD-31 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-32 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-33 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-34 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-35 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-36 : Spruance-class Destroyer
FFG-21 : Oliver Hazard Perry-class Frigate
FFG-22 : Oliver Hazard Perry-class Frigate
LPD-6 : Austin-class AAV
SSN-26 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-27 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-28 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-29 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-30 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSGN-11 : Ohio-class Submarine
SSGN-12 : Ohio-class Submarine

Carrier Battle Group 7
CVN-319- HPS Newton : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CVN-320- HPS Asimov : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CVN-321- HPS Victory : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CGN-69 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-70 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-71 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-72 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-73 : California-class Cruiser
DD-37 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-38 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-39 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-40 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-41 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-42 : Spruance-class Destroyer
FFG-23 : Oliver Hazard Perry-class Frigate
FFG-24 : Oliver Hazard Perry-class Frigate
LPD-7 : Austin-class AAV
SSN-31 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-32 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-33 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-34 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-35 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSGN-13 : Ohio-class Submarine
SSGN-14 : Ohio-class Submarine

Carrier Battle Group 8
CVN-22- HPS Darwin : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CVN-23- HPS Einstein : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CVN-24- HPS Caliver : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CGN-74 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-75 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-76 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-77 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-78 : California-class Cruiser
DD-43 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-44 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-45 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-46 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-47 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-48 : Spruance-class Destroyer
FFG-25 : Oliver Hazard Perry-class Frigate
FFG-26 : Oliver Hazard Perry-class Frigate
LPD-8 : Austin-class AAV
SSN-36 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-37 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-38 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-39 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-40 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSGN-15 : Ohio-class Submarine
SSGN-16 : Ohio-class Submarine

Carrier Battle Group 9
CVN-25- HPS William Pendragon : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CVN-26- HPS Gallihan : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CVN-27- HPS Lueman : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CGN-79 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-80 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-81 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-82 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-83 : California-class Cruiser
DD-49 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-50 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-51 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-52 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-53 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-54 : Spruance-class Destroyer
FFG-27 : Oliver Hazard Perry-class Frigate
FFG-28 : Oliver Hazard Perry-class Frigate
LPD-9 : Austin-class AAV
SSN-41 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-42 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-43 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-44 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-45 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSGN-17 : Ohio-class Submarine
SSGN-18 : Ohio-class Submarine

Carrier Battle Group 10
CVN-28- HPS Havelock : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CVN-29- HPS Daniel Pendragon : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CVN-30- HPS Miliartis : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CGN-84 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-85 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-86 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-87 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-88 : California-class Cruiser
DD-55 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-56 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-57 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-58 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-59 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-60 : Spruance-class Destroyer
FFG-29 : Oliver Hazard Perry-class Frigate
FFG-30 : Oliver Hazard Perry-class Frigate
LPD-10 : Austin-class AAV
SSN-46 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-47 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-48 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-49 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-50 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSGN-19 : Ohio-class Submarine
SSGN-20 : Ohio-class Submarine

Carrier Battle Group 11
CVN-31- HPS Masermerry : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CVN-32- HPS Balodenous : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CVN-33- HPS Williams : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CGN-89 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-90 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-91 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-92 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-93 : California-class Cruiser
DD-61 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-62 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-63 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-64 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-65 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-66 : Spruance-class Destroyer
FFG-31 : Oliver Hazard Perry-class Frigate
FFG-32 : Oliver Hazard Perry-class Frigate
LPD-11 : Austin-class AAV
SSN-51 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-52 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-53 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-54 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-55 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSGN-21 : Ohio-class Submarine
SSGN-22 : Ohio-class Submarine

Carrier Battle Group 12
CVN-34- HPS Galilee : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CVN-35- HPS Somic : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CVN-36- HPS Godblue : Galileo Class Supercarrier
CGN-94 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-95 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-96 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-97 : California-class Cruiser
CGN-98 : California-class Cruiser
DD-67 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-68 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-69 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-70 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-71 : Spruance-class Destroyer
DD-72 : Spruance-class Destroyer
FFG-33 : Oliver Hazard Perry-class Frigate
FFG-34 : Oliver Hazard Perry-class Frigate
LPD-12 : Austin-class AAV
SSN-56 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-57 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-58 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-59 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSN-60 : Los Angeles-class Submarine
SSGN-23 : Ohio-class Submarine
SSGN-24 : Ohio-class Submarine

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Official Piccavian Communiqué

Ministry of War
Office of the General Staff
07 Regierungstraße
Helvetia, Piccavia A113 HV0

To the Hegemonic nations:

Imagine firestorms ravaging the bombed-out hulks of your cities, rivers of blood flowing through your occupied countryside, and the chillingly mechanical sound of a blender's blades echoing through your streets. This is the fate that shall await you if you fail to comply forthwith and completely with LION's demands. Our forces are mobilizing and deploying at this very instant. Act quickly.

Hail victory!

Victoria E. Hoyle
Minister of War, Federal Piccavian Commonwealth

ORBAT:
First Piccavian Army
Light Infantry Divisions x2
Armoured Divisions x2
Mechanized Infantry Divisions x2
Artillery Divisions x1
Air Assault Divisions x1
Special Ops Divisions x1
Logistics Brigades x1

Third Piccavian Army
Light Infantry Divisions x2
Armoured Divisions x2
Mechanized Infantry Divisions x2
Artillery Divisions x1
Air Assault Divisions x1
Special Ops Divisions x1
Logistics Brigades x1

First Piccavian Armada
Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carriers x18
Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers x48
Caprivi class battleships x84
Hoyle-class Superdreadnoughts x12
Type 23 frigates x114
Astute-class submarines x108
Type 45 destroyers x114
Braunschweig class corvettes x90

OOC: Btw, the operation name - classic BL.

Open Broadcast to the World
At no time did ASD'ain forces attack any member of the Hegemonies Naval Forces nor did we ever threaten too. This attack by LION is merely a land grab based on false premises.

ASD Command Under Mount Brock
"Go to defcon one immediately. Call up all reserve forces and bring home our fleets at once. Have Merchants reroute through the security channels and Bring all of our navel, aerial, Land attack and ABM systems online. Recall all of our special forces abroad as well."

CanCom (secondary Command center)
"bring online all of our defenses and have us route all information received to ASD Command immediately. Have WOLF PACK create an outer perimeter east and west but warn em not too engage without prior verification unless conflict is unavoidable."

OOC: i was under the impression that i had made it clear to Maldorians that such an attack would be ignored, as there are several highly planned Hegemony-wide RP's lined up. I will be fine with continuing this after those are over, but for now, I am ignoring it, as I'm afraid I am unwilling to throw aside the planning I have done and the RP's I have lined up in order to fight LION.

I urge all Hegemonic nations who will be involved in the civil war to do likewise, as unfortunately the upcoming Hegemony RP's will be ruined if done simultaneously with fighting LION. Perhaps this is an example of why OOC co-operation regardless of IC relationships is necessary, or at least helpful in NS.

I apologize for the inconvenience, but must ask for your patience in this matter.

OOC: i was under the impression that i had made it clear to Maldorians .

ooc yes to Maldorians ,did you do it with all of them ?

ooc yes to Maldorians ,did you do it with all of them ?

I woiuld assume that he would have informed the others, as I told him about a week ago. I'm pretty sure I asked him to as well.

OOC: Wow, probably one of the worst ignores I've seen. How can you ignore on behalf of the whole alliance?

What Hegemony RPs are going on right now anyway?

You could just disband and get it over with now.

Because, quite frankly, I don't see the Hegemony surviving anything from LION.

OOC: Wow, probably one of the worst ignores I've seen. How can you ignore on behalf of the whole alliance?

OOC: i didnt. i ignored on behalf of myself and asked the other Hegemony nations to do the same.

What Hegemony RPs are going on right now anyway?
The prelude to the Hegemonic Civil War, which is the main reason im asking for a delay in the LION attack.

You could just disband and get it over with now.

Because, quite frankly, I don't see the Hegemony surviving anything from LION.


I'm afraid i dont entirely share your perspective, and in any case would like to finish what I can with the Hegemony.

ooc wait how can a alliance have a civil war,when it's not a nation ?

ooc wait how can a alliance have a civil war,when it's not a nation ?

OOC: If you wish you may refer to it as the Hegemonic Imperial War (Imperial reffering to the idealogy of the faction that overthrows the Hegemony, not you.)

ooc wait how can a alliance have a civil war,when it's not a nation ?

Um...

A. Hegemonic nation has civil war. Hegemony nations take sides.

B. They're going to have a big schism.

All in thirty seconds!

ooc other words in house fighting

EDIT which i must reminder to check on when it happens as i have poeple in NI nation

ooc other words in house fighting

EDIT which i must reminder to check on when it happens as i have poeple in NI nation

That's cool. Why are you here anyway?

That's cool. Why are you here anyway?

oh i left out NI nation which is in Hegemony in my edit :$
NI= Neo-Ixania

oh i left out NI nation which is in Hegemony in my edit :$
NI= Neo-Ixania

Do not worry. Blenders do not distinguish nationality.

Do not worry. Blenders do not distinguish nationality.

ooc so do the bombs set to blow up my embassy if over run

I would like to point out that, since we're trying to be realistic, war does not stop in real life just because one side had prior plans.

I mean, if the USSR had invaded NATO, NATO wouldn't have been like "Can it wait? We have a summit and wargames planned."

In any case, the ignore function seems to have mutated from a defensive action against godmoders into an excuse to not RP.

I would like to point out that, since we're trying to be realistic, war does not stop in real life just because one side had prior plans.

I mean, if the USSR had invaded NATO, NATO wouldn't have been like "Can it wait? We have a summit and wargames planned."

In any case, the ignore function seems to have mutated from a defensive action against godmoders into an excuse to not RP.

OOC: I would remind you that this is a game, that we are playing in order to enjoy ourselves.

I have a complicated RP already planned, your attack would make it impossible to continue with. I ask your forgiveness for the fact that I am unwilling to trash everything I have lined up so that you can attack me.

OOC: Few things:

@ Imperial Isa GTFO, you're a pain and you have nothing to do with this RP.

@ LS I understand your concern, its not that we haven't been planning this for two monthes now and aren't annoyed in the least bit that our plans were trashed because you are" too busy" to RP a perfectly fine RP.......

@ Akimonad you are completely correct. It just seems to be easier to ignore and do something else.....

@ Imperial again, I am going to say this once, a civil war is were a group splits and fights a civil dispute. Anything can have a civil war if it involves the warring part. Oh and GTFO.

OOC: Few things:

@ Imperial Isa GTFO, you're a pain and you have nothing to do with this RP.

@ LS I understand your concern, its not that we haven't been planning this for two monthes now and aren't annoyed in the least bit that our plans were trashed because you are" too busy" to RP a perfectly fine RP.......

@ Akimonad you are completely correct. It just seems to be easier to ignore and do something else.....

@ Imperial again, I am going to say this once, a civil war is were a group splits and fights a civil dispute. Anything can have a civil war if it involves the warring part. Oh and GTFO.

OOC: I didnt ask for you to trash it, I asked for you to delay it, that is all. LION can invade me with everything it's got as soon as the Hegemonic Civil war is over.

OOC: This screws up our plans. Gres, get on MSN.

You could just disband and get it over with now.

Because, quite frankly, I don't see the Hegemony surviving anything from LION.

OOC: First of all my apologies for adding to the OOC clutter, but I missed the OOC thread, if there is one. I'll try to be brief. A question for Aki: Are you sure about that?

Do not worry. Blenders do not distinguish nationality.

But they will, they will.

In regards to why I'm posting here? I have tight relations and several treaties with some Hegemony nations and while my politicians hold no love for some of the organization's aspects they'll still be concerned about a nation or two. Incidentally NI falls under that category.

OOC: First of all my apologies for adding to the OOC clutter, but I missed the OOC thread, if there is one. I'll try to be brief. A question for Aki: Are you sure about that?



But they will, they will.

In regards to why I'm posting here? I have tight relations and several treaties with some Hegemony nations and while my politicians hold no love for some of the organization's aspects they'll still be concerned about a nation or two. Incidentally NI falls under that category.
OOC: No they won't. Any Hegemony leader caught will be made into smoothies. And yes, we are sure that it will be no contest.

A question for Aki: Are you sure about that?

*crooks eyebrow*

Is this some sort of challenge?

OOC: First of all my apologies for adding to the OOC clutter, but I missed the OOC thread, if there is one. I'll try to be brief. A question for Aki: Are you sure about that?

If he isn't, I am.



But they will, they will.

In regards to why I'm posting here? I have tight relations and several treaties with some Hegemony nations and while my politicians hold no love for some of the organization's aspects they'll still be concerned about a nation or two. Incidentally NI falls under that category.

And I have tight relations and several treaties with some Delian League nations. It's a simple solution - your allies leave the Hegemony and allow us to deal with them. Any nation that leaves will not be touched. Those that insist upon remaining get free smoothies! :)

If he isn't, I am.





And I have tight relations and several treaties with some Delian League nations. It's a simple solution - your allies leave the Hegemony and allow us to deal with them. Any nation that leaves will not be touched. Those that insist upon remaining get free smoothies! :)

Now with mysterious crunchy bits!

*crooks eyebrow*

Is this some sort of challenge?

I make no challenges, you should know better than that.

OOC: No they won't. Any Hegemony leader caught will be made into smoothies. And yes, we are sure that it will be no contest.

And then all the culprits and the fleets of their nations sunk under the waves...

And I have tight relations and several treaties with some Delian League nations. It's a simple solution - your allies leave the Hegemony and allow us to deal with them. Any nation that leaves will not be touched. Those that insist upon remaining get free smoothies!

That sounds like a reasonable solution, but alas it only goes to serve LION's interests, not exactly fair, wouldn't you think?

The even make your toung turn red!

And then all the culprits and the fleets of their nations sunk under the waves...

Yes. Our fleets of submarines tend to do that.

That sounds like a reasonable solution, but alas it only goes to serve LION's interests, not exactly fair, wouldn't you think?

Well, not really just our interests. It serves the Delian League's interests and that of your allies - you all save a lot of money and keep large portions of your armed forces a) above the waves and b) alive altogether. So long as the Hegemony is disbanded (and maybe only one or two major figures blended) we're quite happy.

Well, not really just our interests. It serves the Delian League's interests and that of your allies - you all save a lot of money and keep large portions of your armed forces a) above the waves and b) alive altogether. So long as the Hegemony is disbanded (and maybe only one or two major figures blended) we're quite happy.

Along with the entire Greal and Cazilia governments.

Along with the entire Greal and Cazilia governments.

Alright, so we've got a shopping list. But we're reasonable people, really.

OOC: I really don't intend on surrendering this time. So you can take my gun from my cold, dead hands

OOC: I really don't intend on surrendering this time. So you can take my gun from my cold, dead hands

Oh don't worry, cold hands blend better.

OOC: I really don't intend on surrendering this time. So you can take my gun from my cold, dead hands

Oh, we were intending on doing it from your ice-chilled blended hands. Still, I'm sure we'll work something out.

I'm sure they do

OOC: I really don't intend on surrendering this time. So you can take my gun from my cold, dead hands

OOC: Actually, the colder the better. You need some ice in your blender for a good smoothie, and every hand-sized bit helps (it's a huge blender).

I'm sure they do

Whats with the OMG tiny type?

Just don't try and bring them back to life like last time. You new masters won't like that.

OOC: As much as I appreciate all the OOC chatter and grandstanding, I'd like to resolve this. LS, do you have an AIM through which I could talk to you, leader to leader?

Well, not really just our interests. It serves the Delian League's interests and that of your allies - you all save a lot of money and keep large portions of your armed forces a) above the waves and b) alive altogether. So long as the Hegemony is disbanded (and maybe only one or two major figures blended) we're quite happy.

Barronia, if it threatens my interests or that of my allies it's not something I can overlook. It's not in my plans to RP a war right now, I have other things on my schedule to worry about, but if push comes to shove...


Yes. Our fleets of submarines tend to do that.

Submarine warfare? That always sounds delicious to me. :p

OOC: I really don't intend on surrendering this time. So you can take my gun from my cold, dead hands

If played properly the invasion of your country alone could ruin a few of their armies, but your track record isn't exactly stellar in that area.

If played properly the invasion of your country alone could ruin a few of their armies, but your track record isn't exactly stellar in that area.

Ruin? Don't make me laugh that hard. My sides hurt.

OOC: First of all, why is this thread full of OOC posts?

Whats with the OMG tiny type?

Just don't try and bring them back to life like last time. You new masters won't like that.

That's no longer my style.

OOC: First of all, why is this thread full of OOC posts?

LS decide to ignore us until your little civil war is over.

Barronia, if it threatens my interests or that of my allies it's not something I can overlook. It's not in my plans to RP a war right now, I have other things on my schedule to worry about, but if push comes to shove...

Naturally - any nation would want to protect their interests. Therefore, unless your interests are the Hegemony as a whole, or Cazelia's and Greal's governments, then your efforts should be directed at securing said interests by the easiest fashion - getting LS to disband the Hegemony.

OOC: First of all, why is this thread full of OOC posts?

OOC: I dunno, I've tried to stop it. Anyway, who is up for making this the OOC thread?

Naturally - any nation would want to protect their interests. Therefore, unless your interests are the Hegemony as a whole, or Cazelia's and Greal's governments, then your efforts should be directed at securing said interests by the easiest fashion - getting LS to disband the Hegemony.


And getting LS to disband the hegemony would be enough? No further action taken against the member nations? I could do that... maybe. But then again what's easy and what's right aren't the same thing, usually.

Yes that would be good, along with my demands for territory in Greal and Cazelia, along with their leaders in smoothies.

And getting LS to disband the hegemony would be enough? No further action taken against the member nations? I could do that... maybe. But then again what's easy and what's right aren't the same thing, usually.

Well, no. We want blending material, which is why we need Cazelia and Greal.

That's pretty much all of the LION demand. I mean, hell, there might be a bonus for the Damiran (sp?) nation...land, booty, a lifetimes supply of soylent smoothie?

OOC: I dunno, I've tried to stop it. Anyway, who is up for making this the OOC thread?

Already done

Well then, should we delete this OOC posts or leave them be?

I mean, hell, there might be a bonus for the Damiran (sp?) nation...land, booty, a lifetimes supply of soylent smoothie?

That would be going against what ICly The Principality is.

Well, no. We want blending material, which is why we need Cazelia and Greal.

That's pretty much all of the LION demand.

War crimes! On II?! Gasp!

That would be going against what ICly The Principality is.



War crimes! On II?! Gasp!

On the OOC thread.

agreed . . .and so you've been laning this for a few months eh? so . . .before I joined eh? . . .yet . . .somehow I'm the/a cause of war eh? . . . . .interesting

yes...before you joined... now can you use the OOC thread please?...

Um, you joined two monthes ago, LION was made a month and a half ago, we have been planning this basically since we were made.

Reserved for IC post...when the IC stuff begins

Reserved for IC post...when the IC stuff begins

Might be a while.

I thought this was the OOC thread, i mean we got like 5 pages of OOC, so might as well as just start over, copy and paste the IC stuff....


btw Adam Jackson was overthrown in a Coup months ago, new president is Nicolas Villa again, just so you know...

Maybe we don't like your new prez.......

I will change it soon, LS you really need to fix up your charter.

I was thinking maybe we should set up three invasion threads for Greal, Cazelia and LS seperatly. (make em closed allowed only by asking in this thread and/or ICly in the other thread.

We probably will - we're still waiting on LS to actually respond though.

kk well do you wanna set them up for Greal and Cazelia . . .. just cause I'm getting confused as to what forces are going where etc. and you could get "1 truth? I think that was his name) in on those threads.

Right now everyone is gathering in the middle of international waters and is waiting for LS's reply, if he disbands the Hege we are gone, if he doesn't we go on the attack

I doubt he will but could you hold off invading at least until he posts?

We are just posting on how we are getting ready, we are waiting for his post. Which seems not be coming.

I doubt he will but could you hold off invading at least until he posts?

Does it look like we've attacked yet? We're amassing our forces for the strike, nothing more.

lol . .. i know . . . .he doesn't seem to have been active newhere recently. . .have you tried tg'ing him

Picc, get on IRC. its quite lulzy

lol . .. i know . . . .he doesn't seem to have been active newhere recently. . .have you tried tg'ing him

Actually we have TGed him, Instant Messaged him on both MSN, AIM, and Yahoo, given him links to both of the IRCs, and I emailed him on MSN. He has been on the forums quite a bit since this started, just hasn't posted.

hmmmmm . . .dmn . . .by the way what does IRC stand for?

Internet Relay Chat.

Am I to assume that this is the OOC thread by default?

Yes, it is.

OOC: Greal, I beg to differ. You surrendered when TPF, Redtide and me invaded you. We didn't take Sasha because we didn't have to. Your Government was our bitch. You gave us vast amounts of land, money and then, when the thread died, you claimed victory, and said that I wasn't part of it.

OOC: My government was just ignoring the previous government's defeat in their statement.

OOC: My government was just ignoring the previous government's defeat in their statement.

That still doesn't explain why you ignored the treaty and attacked Mal, when I had a shitload of forces in your country, and told you to stop. You pretty much went ignored 4 teh lulz. And I'm pretty sure that Yani and Stoki had something to with that.

oh and binaria (bineria?) your name spells JB2 lol (if you lead off leading zeros)

oh and binaria (bineria?) your name spells JB2 lol (if you lead off leading zeros)

Guess wut?

I don't care.

That still doesn't explain why you ignored the treaty and attacked Mal, when I had a shitload of forces in your country, and told you to stop. You pretty much went ignored 4 teh lulz. And I'm pretty sure that Yani and Stoki had something to with that.

Yes. According to them there aren't any Brinian troops in my nation (Or in their region).

Yes. According to them there aren't any Brinian troops in my nation (Or in their region).

But are there according to you?

But are there according to you?

Not anymore. You didn't do anything at all in Greal in the last five months.

Guess wut?

I don't care.

wow you are seriously full of yourself eh . .. nice comeback by the way . .. for a 12 year old . .. maybe

Not anymore. You didn't do anything at all in Greal in the last five months.

Thats cuz you ignored me.

wow you are seriously full of yourself eh . .. nice comeback by the way . .. for a 12 year old . .. maybe

and do I look like greal to you?

and do I look like greal to you?

heheheh :D nice! much better

Yes. According to them there aren't any Brinian troops in my nation (Or in their region).

To be honest, it's not really their decision.

That still doesn't explain why you ignored the treaty and attacked Mal, when I had a shitload of forces in your country, and told you to stop. You pretty much went ignored 4 teh lulz. And I'm pretty sure that Yani and Stoki had something to with that.

...wtf?

Did I attack Mal? I don't remember doing that.

...wtf?

wut do u mean wtf?

On the note of forces in Greal, after the Leocardian war I never RPed bringing my men home, they should still be in Greal.

On the note of forces in Greal, after the Leocardian war I never RPed bringing my men home, they should still be in Greal.

We never really RPed everything returning home. I think I still have a division of troops in Greston. :tongue:

On the note of forces in Greal, after the Leocardian war I never RPed bringing my men home, they should still be in Greal.

Same here.

Ok, I'd like to ask all Hegemony nations to provide a map of some kind - it would be most sincerely appreciated. LS has informed me via TG that he lacks a map of his country; however, in a previous RP against BL, it was noted that his country shared geography with the United States. Thus, unless LS has any objections, the LION will use a map of the lower 48 states, with the location of Sumgaia up to LS's discretion.

Here is my map.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/NovusUniversitas.png

The TPF control zone is part mine. *pimpslaps greal*

Amirite?

Here is my map.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/NovusUniversitas.png

wait, i thought i bordered you to the north? Ah well.

Sumguaia replaces Kansas City. The west in my nation is not nearly as dry and absent of vegetation as the RL US.

The TPF control zone is part mine. *pimpslaps greal*

Amirite?

Thats TPF's control zone.

OOC: check my factbook, a lot of info is not up to date, but the maps are in good condition,

however you should be expecting a speech from my president soon

Thats TPF's control zone.

You don't just ginore half a million men. The treaty said to TPF and her allies. I was the other Ally. Red tide saide he didn't want any.

Well actually Greal, that war was retconned so you have no form of military assets in my nation. But since Moka RPed building a base after kicking Leocardia out I think I might as well too. Would you have any objections to that?

LS can you log onto MSN for a minute.

Well actually Greal, that war was retconned so you have no form of military assets in my nation. But since Moka RPed building a base after kicking Leocardia out I think I might as well too. Would you have any objections to that?

I would have last month when you joined LION.

I have a map on my fact book but its not great . . .sorry guys . . . .my artistic skills are . . .um . . .lacking frankly. Globally my nation would be found north east of Canada (between Canada and GB but not as northern as Greenland.)

Could we please not use EMPs or nukes in this RP? They tend to ruin everything. :eek2::eek:

Could we please not use EMPs or nukes in this RP? They tend to ruin everything. :eek2::eek:

I agree with no nukes, but EMP is fine. It an accepted tactic.

I second that. EMP is 100% pimpin'.

Well I'm the one being invaded here. Can't we at least no EMPs?

Well I'm the one being invaded here. Can't we at least no EMPs?

But we started the thread, and we get to chose the rules.

Even though I am not involved ATM, I might be, and I say EMP strikes should and shall be allowed. If someone doesn't know about EMP's so much as to ask to not use them, just look 'em up on wikipedia or something...

But we started the thread, and we get to chose the rules.

Like I said, we're being invaded by your "overwhelming force"

No, EMPs are still on. They're a conventional, legit, non-WMD type of warfare.

Please take your OOC to the OOC thread please

Like I said, we're being invaded by your "overwhelming force"


Then use them yourself.

Caz, this this the OOC thread. The IC thread was started by Fax.

But we started the thread, and we get to chose the rules.

OOC: Not exactly, both parties have to agree on what to use and what not to use.

At any rate, EMP's aren't anything to be too afraid of, since any kind of military electronics worth protecting will likely have EMP shielding. It's the civilian stuff that is more vulnerable, but a competent RPer can work around it.

Damn, I confused this thread with the IC thread.

Well, I rather fight the old fashion way, without EMPs.

Well, I rather fight the old fashion way, without EMPs.

lolwut?

I'm sorry but old fashion way? Like with swords, or are we going back sticks and rocks?

But we started the thread, and we get to chose the rules.

No, not really. Thread ownership gives you certain rights when they're not intended for military action, but once you open a thread to attack someone the rules change. As AMF pointed out you need cooperation to make it work.

As for EMPs Greal if we go by the 'Amazing Weapons of Doom' that fry all and any electronic device, military or civilian the they'd be more useful to the defenders. As it is the case it's not actually that hard to do away with them, especially if a nation has experience with this type of attacks or has observed them before.

And Greal, we'd rather not. EMP's are considered conventional and in the jist of things, "old fashion".

Well, I rather fight the old fashion way, without EMPs.

Then perhaps WW1 era RP's will be better suited for you, since modern warfare has plenty of weapons that are more sophisticated than EMP's.

So why have EMPs never been used in modern warfare?

So why have EMPs never been used in modern warfare?

Because most conflicts today are not conventional....

So why have EMPs never been used in modern warfare?
Because you've never taken the time to read all the way through a post maybe? BL used EMPs in his attack on Calizorinstan, I've used EMPs plenty of other times. EMPs are commonly used for conventional war fare.

So why have EMPs never been used in modern warfare?

Has to do with what you need to do in order to obtain an EMP.

So why have EMPs never been used in modern warfare?

Actually, there are unverfied reports that they have been used byt the US in 1991 and 2003 in Iraq.

Guys, ever heard of real life? It's an amazing MMORPG with an infinite possibility of characters, massive spaces, amazing graphics...

Anyway, you ever seen them used in the Gulf War? In the Iraq war? Hell, in any conflict? No. And I know you can use an EPFCG to produce an EMP pulse (I've looked at designs for suitcase bombs based on that principle).

Unverified... therefore, possibly the product of someone with an overactive imagination!

could someone set up 3 ic threads for each of the invasions? just cause otherwise its gonna get hellishly confused in the burning canapés thread.

Guys, ever heard of real life? It's an amazing MMORPG with an infinite possibility of characters, massive spaces, amazing graphics...

Anyway, you ever seen them used in the Gulf War? In the Iraq war? Hell, in any conflict? No. And I know you can use an EPFCG to produce an EMP pulse (I've looked at designs for suitcase bombs based on that principle).

Like I said the reports are unverified.

EMP's against military hardware > Military hardware wins. They're used mainly against civilians as they produce chaos & so on. Even in this role they can be countered if one knows how tho'.

So why have EMPs never been used in modern warfare?

For the same reason (in real life) that large scale naval battles no longer take place, trench warfare and absuredly large static defenses no longer are used, and human wave tactics are obsolete; there is no longer a use for them. But yet all these things still happen on NS, so any kind of comparision between this game and real life is inherently flawed.

If people are going to start splitting hairs about EMP's, then I guess you're going to have to split hairs about laser guided bombs, UAV's, 5th+ generation air superiority fighters, and the latest nuclear submarines, since all of these things are more advanced and impressive than EMP's (of which the EMP effect was observed back in the time of high atmospheric nuclear testing...).

The other thing you've got to consider with this is that Greal is the one letting you invade. He could happily ignore your invasion threats, and carry on as if nothing happened. But, no, he's letting you invade him. What he says for ground rules goes. He says no nukes, you use no nukes. He says no blending of citizens, you don't. As I said, he can happily ignore any of you using EMP weapons.

I'm not a fan of them because of the fact most players just use them to say "Oh, your communications have gone, you can't do diddly squat about it, so I can just waltz in".

Because most conflicts today are not conventional....

Guys, ever heard of real life? It's an amazing MMORPG with an infinite possibility of characters, massive spaces, amazing graphics...

Anyway, you ever seen them used in the Gulf War? In the Iraq war? Hell, in any conflict? No. And I know you can use an EPFCG to produce an EMP pulse (I've looked at designs for suitcase bombs based on that principle).

I already told you the reason why. The Gulf War was simply the liberation of Kuwait. We didn't need to use EMP, at all. There was no point to it because we were fighting the Iraqi Army in the deserts...>___> And bombs were doing their job fine.

Same goes with Iraq War; we wanted to kick the Ba'ath Party out of power. Sure we could have used EMP, but there was no point. It didn't take an EMP to roll over Iraq...

EDIT: letting us invade him? lulz! Nice uhhh, joke.

The other thing you've got to consider with this is that Greal is the one letting you invade. He could happily ignore your invasion threats, and carry on as if nothing happened. But, no, he's letting you invade him. What he says for ground rules goes. He says no nukes, you use no nukes. He says no blending of citizens, you don't. As I said, he can happily ignore any of you using EMP weapons.

I'm not a fan of them because of the fact most players just use them to say "Oh, your communications have gone, you can't do diddly squat about it, so I can just waltz in".
Um, bullcrap. This is a completely legit war and threats so if he was to ignore it he would look stupider and people would rarely want to RP with him. He says no nukes, sure; nukes are a last resort anyway. However EMP's are conventional, and we can use them if we so please. The same for the blending of civilians. Are you going to tell some mad man colonial soldier he can't kill you? No because it isn't going to make any difference, he is still going to kill you and once again, it makes you look stupid.

EDIT: letting us invade him? lulz! Nice uhhh, joke.

Hard to RP with someone that doesn't reply to your posts you know?

Bloody hell... some people. Use your common sense (if you're endowed with any), and think about what makes a war. There's the attacker(s), and the defender(s). Now, when you put up your post, stating your armies coming in with EMPs and what not destroying the general infrastructure and the like, there's one thing you need. A reply. If Greal ain't happy, he won't reply. And that's your RP straight down the pan. An RP DOES NOT WORK if the other guy doesn't acknowledge the existence of your hordes of soldiers and EMPs.

And why did the Americans not use the EMP weapons? Think of how quickly it would've allowed them to roll in, and at a much lower cost than bombing the power stations to buggery with conventional weapons?

because the only easy way to cause an EMP is an airburst nuke (that I know of) an then u've got all kinds of problems

Um, bullcrap. This is a completely legit war and threats so if he was to ignore it he would look stupider and people would rarely want to RP with him. He says no nukes, sure; nukes are a last resort anyway. However EMP's are conventional, and we can use them if we so please. The same for the blending of civilians. Are you going to tell some mad man colonial soldier he can't kill you? No because it isn't going to make any difference, he is still going to kill you and once again, it makes you look stupid.


So? I still think Greston you're getting extremely confused between REAL LIFE and teh interwebz. Take a vacation/holiday, and see what it's like after that.

The American's didn't use EMPs because of this simple scale:

American Army = Pwnage

Iraqi Army = Fail

Why don't we just waste money on EMPs to use them on a bunch of moron with guns?

Bloody hell... some people. Use your common sense (if you're endowed with any), and think about what makes a war. There's the attacker(s), and the defender(s). Now, when you put up your post, stating your armies coming in with EMPs and what not destroying the general infrastructure and the like, there's one thing you need. A reply. If Greal ain't happy, he won't reply. And that's your RP straight down the pan. An RP DOES NOT WORK if the other guy doesn't acknowledge the existence of your hordes of soldiers and EMPs.

And why did the Americans not use the EMP weapons? Think of how quickly it would've allowed them to roll in, and at a much lower cost than bombing the power stations to buggery with conventional weapons?

We didn't use them because we didn't need to. Why?

Two reasons.

1. The Iraqi Millitary=epic fail
2. We had the A-10 Warthog, which as everyone knows, is made of so much win, any army using them will instantly be victorious. It's like the Spear of Destiny, or the Lost Ark.

because the only easy way to cause an EMP is an air burst nuke (that I know of) an then u've got all kinds of problems

see above

because the only easy way to cause an EMP is an airburst nuke (that I know of) an then u've got all kinds of problems

lolwut? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse#Non-nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse)

because the only easy way to cause an EMP is an airburst nuke (that I know of)



Erm....no.

Why waste money on EMPs? Why waste money on supplies/tanks/soldiers/fuel/ammunition for your army to go into Iraq? The latter costs a lot more (to the tune of billions of dollars) than EMP weapons. Of course, maybe it's because the technology isn't perfected, or maybe because all the military/important civilian devices will be resistant to it, or maybe because of the nasty side effect it has when an EMP has an argument with the heart's pacemaker tissue. Or, maybe it's because the country will assume someone's launched a high-altitude nuclear strike, and decide to respond similarly?

Erm....no.

EDIT: sorry my bad your right. Thats just on way to creat an EMP there are non-nuclear devices to do it . . .again my bad

K Alfegros, let's cut the irrelevancy*?* and get back to the topic at hand. If you really, really, really want to know about the effects of EMP's and whatnot, go visit a military forum or something....

DaWad, see the link I gave you.


Alfegos, maybe, its because we were fighting someone that was so backwards, it would be like giving the men at Bunker hill a machine gun.

I respect your fierce patriotic views Binaria, but I still don't think that having an EPIC WIN plane means that it'll cost nothing. Think of how much the fuel costs, the ammunition costs, the pilot training costs, the airplane itself costs...
Yeah, the Americans did a good job in Iraq. It just didn't really run for free though. Plus I think there was the incident or three with the A-10s shooting at convoys with BIG ORANGE STICKERS on... surely an EPIC WIN place doesn't friendly fire?

Now children, let us play nice. There is no need for antagonism or rudeness. This game should be about co-operation between players to create a good story and enjoyable experience for all involved.

As far as non-conventional weapon usage (nukes, chemical weapons, biological agents, and yes, even EMP's) isn't that usually the defender's right to decide one way or the other? I fail to see why it would be such a big deal for an attacker anyway, nobody's military is based off of nuclear, chemical, or EMP technology, nor are those weapons required to effectively conduct assaults or invasions.

EMP (http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/kopp/apjemp.html) for DaWoad.

Alf, this is not the place and time to argue about EMPs, there's no drawback on using them around these parts. If it kills civilians, stops hospitals or whatever I don't think the attackers are going to complain. One thing it won't do tho' is affect military hardware, and that's important to keep in mind. Another is the fact that the range for Electromagnetic Bombs is limited, very limited when they're not nuclear and that they're not the end all weapons they're made to be, not even for the civilian network.

Now children, let us play nice. There is no need for antagonism or rudeness. This game should be about co-operation between players to create a good story and enjoyable experience for all involved.

As far as non-conventional weapon usage (nukes, chemical weapons, biological agents, and yes, even EMP's) isn't that usually the defender's right to decide one way or the other?

EMP is conventional; end of story.

I respect your fierce patriotic views Binaria, but I still don't think that having an EPIC WIN plane means that it'll cost nothing. Think of how much the fuel costs, the ammunition costs, the pilot training costs, the airplane itself costs...
Yeah, the Americans did a good job in Iraq. It just didn't really run for free though. Plus I think there was the incident or three with the A-10s shooting at convoys with BIG ORANGE STICKERS on... surely an EPIC WIN place doesn't friendly fire?

Lets get back to the actual discussion at hand, not some irrelevent junk, k? so srsly,stop being irrevelant

No, I know what the effects of an EMP are. I've known about EMPs for bloody ages, and don't need to be lectured in the effects. For those though who want to know, the electromagnetic pulse produces a current when it touches a conductor. Since it's quite a big pulse, the current induced is going to be quite big. Therefore, complex micro circuitry, not so complex relays and even engines/transformers will overheat from the large current induced and so melt. EMP can be stopped quite easily with a faraday cage.

I also read somewhere about it being theorised that EMP could disrupt the heart's natural pacemaker if caught at the right time. Whilst I'm sure it'd work with artificial pacemakers, I'm not sure about with the heart's natural pulse. The Americans aren't sure, and since I've never read of any tests being carried out on humans I think the Americans wouldn't want to risk killing loads of people that way.

lol at Maldorians and everyone starting to bitch. Anyhow, before you accuse me of going off at a tangent, dont you yourself do the same. Binaria.

If, Maldorians, you can find me an article which plainly states that EMP devices are conventional, then they are so. Otherwise, stop just going with them being conventional. Wanting something to be true wont make it so.

No, I know what the effects of an EMP are. I've known about EMPs for bloody ages, and don't need to be lectured in the effects. For those though who want to know, the electromagnetic pulse produces a current when it touches a conductor. Since it's quite a big pulse, the current induced is going to be quite big. Therefore, complex micro circuitry, not so complex relays and even engines/transformers will overheat from the large current induced and so melt. EMP can be stopped quite easily with a faraday cage.

I also read somewhere about it being theorised that EMP could disrupt the heart's natural pacemaker if caught at the right time. Whilst I'm sure it'd work with artificial pacemakers, I'm not sure about with the heart's natural pulse. The Americans aren't sure, and since I've never read of any tests being carried out on humans I think the Americans wouldn't want to risk killing loads of people that way.


Lets get back to the actual discussion at hand, not some irrelevent junk, k? so srsly,stop being irrevelant

^See this?^

K great. Now, back to topic plz!

Sorry guys - this has become so hilariously funny I need some time out for a nap. Seeya sometime later.

As far as I can tell, from in between the bickering on both sides, the discussion is the feasibility and conventionality of EMPs, specifically my own which were used, I might add, only on Lord Sumguy. Firstly, to address the subject of the conventionality of EMP weapons- they are perfectly conventional. The technology exists in a very simple and capable form, and there is even speculation that it has been utilized in armed combat (possibly even in Iraq (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/25/iraq/main546081.shtml). ) While such cases are denied by officials, the fact remains that the technology still exists, ample reason in the past for Nationstates weaponry. There is a history of use of EMP- I don't honestly understand what objection you might have to it, Greal. Nuclear weaponry is another thing all together, but conventional, non-nuclear EMPs of the type which were used by myself on Lord Sumguy would seem to be non-objectionable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_weapon

There. No mention of EMP's being outside of that category. Biological, Chemical, Radiological, and Nuclear are.

ty to everyone who posted. . .but I wikied it myself before lol and realized I was wrong anyway ty again

Back - right, so we finally get some evidence posted. Thank you! That's all I wanted, without people bitching about this that and the other.

Still, the argument is that Greal doesn't want them. And if he doesn't want to RP, he can look as stupid as he likes, but he wont RP.

Good. :-)

Sorry late arrival. My involvement in this rp is explained somewhat in the last IC post by Waldenburg. My regional government who had been in necogiations at first with LS and later LION has been seized by Waldenburg forces. The "attack on Greston" thread that went horribly sour in no time was a pre-emptive strike against that nation for the LION invasion of the Hegemony, as this war threatened all negociations we had going at the time. I`m sure there are some here who will take offence to my participation but these are the facts that didn`t get a chance to come to light.

Back - right, so we finally get some evidence posted. Thank you! That's all I wanted, without people bitching about this that and the other.

Still, the argument is that Greal doesn't want them. And if he doesn't want to RP, he can look as stupid as he likes, but he wont RP.

Good. :-)

..............

K, anyways; depending on how the situation is going, I might send a few ships to assist LION. I will be away for most of this week because I will be going to Hawai'i. : O

Am I only one slightly surprized that Piccavia which has population size about 121% compared to US (that means difference is relatively small), is deploing like 72 carriers and 102 SD's/BB's. Feels a bit too optimistic approach to economic and logistic capabilities of such relatively small (in NS sense) nation.

Picc can deploy that much because half of it isn't his and is ships that we made and gave to him, as well as the men on board is ours.

Olmedreca;13893531']Am I only one slightly surprized that Piccavia which has population size about 121% compared to US (that means difference is relatively small), is deploing like 72 carriers and 102 SD's/BB's. Feels a bit too optimistic approach to economic and logistic capabilities of such relatively small (in NS sense) nation.

Considering the fact that Piccavia is the head of the LION RRF *I was, but I'm too lazy for such a demanding job.. XP* and the RRF is made up of donated forces, there is nothing wrong because the vessels are not Picc's, yet rather, he is commanding the group of ships.

Eh, I only counted ships coloured in red:

First Piccavian Armada
Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carriers x18
Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers x48
Caprivi class battleships x84
Hoyle-class Superdreadnoughts x12
Type 23 frigates x114
Astute-class submarines x108
Type 45 destroyers x114
Braunschweig class corvettes x90

First LION RRF Expeditionary Force
4 Tempora Heroica-class aircraft carriers (Asgarnieu)
1 Type 251 Carrier (Barronia)
2 Type 242 Carrier (Barronia)
5 Type 192 Battlecruiser (Barronia)
7 Type 33 Frigate (Barronia)
7 Type 29 Destroyer (Barronia)
10 Leo-class Gunships (Asgarnieu)
6 Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers (Piccavia)
30 Type 45 Destroyers (Piccavia)
6 Caprivi-class battleships (Piccavia)
21 Type 23 frigates (Piccavia)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13873920&postcount=2

Are half of those(in red) also donated by others? Even half of those would still require extremely optimistical approach to his economical capabilities (not to mention that level of militarization such fleet would require would start harming economy pretty hard), and we would have to assume that its his whole fleet.

For the same reason (in real life) that large scale naval battles no longer take place, trench warfare and absuredly large static defenses no longer are used, and human wave tactics are obsolete; there is no longer a use for them. But yet all these things still happen on NS, so any kind of comparision between this game and real life is inherently flawed.

If people are going to start splitting hairs about EMP's, then I guess you're going to have to split hairs about laser guided bombs, UAV's, 5th+ generation air superiority fighters, and the latest nuclear submarines, since all of these things are more advanced and impressive than EMP's (of which the EMP effect was observed back in the time of high atmospheric nuclear testing...).

I'm only opposed to EMP weapons and nukes.

I'm only opposed to EMP weapons and nukes.

N-weapons I can understand. But we'd do far more damage doing spraying runs with sarin over your nation than we would with an EMP...

can we please create separate invasion threads?

can we please create separate invasion threads?

No. Right now there's only 1 invasion, anyway.

I'm only opposed to EMP weapons and nukes.

A "Soft-Bomb" accomplishes the same thing as an EMP without the fancy acronym. Plus, chemical munitions and biological weapons cause far more damage than an EMP would. It's obviously not my decision though.

No. Right now there's only 1 invasion, anyway.

aw . . .but . . . but . . but itll get confusing! lol aight fair enough

No. Right now there's only 1 invasion, anyway.

What? Aren't you invading several different nations? I'm confused as it is.

What? Aren't you invading several different nations? I'm confused as it is.

Yes, we are. But, at the moment, there's only 1 invasionairy force, striking Lord Sumguy.

What? Aren't you invading several different nations? I'm confused as it is.

We're getting round to creating new threads.

Okay, I have gathered that there is a major invasion of Lord Sumguy being prepared, but negotiations that might resolve the issue are taking place. If the negotiations fall through... can I (temporarily) join with LION to take down LS? We've clashed before (I believe Binaria's mentioned that war here a couple of times) and my nation would always love to see the Hegemony leader go down.

Okay, I have gathered that there is a major invasion of Lord Sumguy being prepared, but negotiations that might resolve the issue are taking place. If the negotiations fall through... can I (temporarily) join with LION to take down LS? We've clashed before (I believe Binaria's mentioned that war here a couple of times) and my nation would always love to see the Hegemony leader go down.

and the rest of the Hegemony I assume.

I already have enough on my mind, anyone else helping LION attack Greal may force me to do unnecessary things. :eek:

Okay, I have gathered that there is a major invasion of Lord Sumguy being prepared, but negotiations that might resolve the issue are taking place. If the negotiations fall through... can I (temporarily) join with LION to take down LS? We've clashed before (I believe Binaria's mentioned that war here a couple of times) and my nation would always love to see the Hegemony leader go down.

We'd be glad to have you, if the negotiations fall through. Thanks for the offer.

Okay, I have gathered that there is a major invasion of Lord Sumguy being prepared, but negotiations that might resolve the issue are taking place. If the negotiations fall through... can I (temporarily) join with LION to take down LS? We've clashed before (I believe Binaria's mentioned that war here a couple of times) and my nation would always love to see the Hegemony leader go down.

OOC: oh dear, im gonna have to have absolutely brilliant tactics to have even a slim chance now...

Okay, just a fair warning, my military has a love affair with chemical weapons. Especially Phosgene and Sarin Gas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosgene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin

IC post will come.

Okay, just a fair warning, my military has a love affair with chemical weapons. Especially Phosgene and Sarin Gas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosgene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin

IC post will come.

the AL has a similar affection for C4 and explosive traps.

all military operations are temporarily on hold for the negotiations.

OOC Peace conferences are open, anyone who has something to gain, and those who just like unneeded violence, or treaties, are welcome to show up. Any LION allies are equally welcome, I just realized I may have excluded some, eh.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13897487#post13897487 There

Just an FYI... my statement to intervene is here:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13897504#post13897504

My nation will be joining the peace conference(with hopes that it fails, of course).