NationStates Jolt Archive

Please post all OOC here on this thread. This thread will be used for OOC, Information and other purposes so we do not clog the IC thread needlessly. The first post here shall be some information on Myakkan geography and the Communists which are trying to take control. Some of the stuff here can only be mentioned ICly if your satillites or agents somehow discover them.

Myakka basically looks like an enlarged Ireland with the 32 counties (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counties_of_Ireland) being known as provinces in the Myakkan Empire. Each province is governed by a governor appointed by the Imperial Court and they can all be found in the capitals of these provinces such as Calvinia's capital of Johnstown which was built in honor of John Calvin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin) due to Myakka having a Calvinist majority in terms of religion. The Communists currently control the North which is simply RL Northern Ireland and the Republican counties of Louth, Monaghan, Cavan, Leitrim, and Donegal. Since Myakka is an enlarged form of Ireland, there may be more than 32 provinces. The Communist armies are generally about 10 million strong at the highest albeit it is expected to increase significantly with their continued consolidation of power and influence. The Monarchists have an army of around the same number; they rely on technology while the Communist usually rely on numbers. Both of them use modern day equipment albeit the Communists seem to have a lot of AK-47s and other Soviet weapons at their disposal which they often use in battles with Monarchist and foreign soldiers. The Communists rely on Maoist military strategy, specifically the idea of people's war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_war) as well as tactics imported from other Communist groups such as the Viet Cong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viet_Cong_and_PAVN_battle_tactics) while the Monarchists generally rely upon battle plans formulated over the years by elite generals and skilled officers which are a mix of Myakkan and foreign tactics. The standard Myakkan Army rifle is the M4 Carbine with some modifications albeit other rifles are used by the soldiers of the Myakkan Army but these are usually based on Western models.

Important Communists:
1. Thomas Millone: Leader of the Revolution and Commander of the Revolutionary Army (http://www.folkandfaith.com/images/natbolsh1.jpg) who spends his time studying military tactics, writing essays and creating doctrine for his followers to believe.
2. Adam Calavera: Responsible for the education of children in Communist held areas in public schools and the schools for children of imprisoned parents.
3. Marcus Lussa: Minister of Propaganda; manages the newspaper, Red Star, which advocates ruthless Stalinist style persecution of the enemies of the Revolution.
4. Janet Madyson: Leader of the Women's Revolutionary League which tries to bring women to a Communist lifestyle. The W.R.L emphasizes female unity with men in creating a better nation for all Myakkans.
5. Joseph Leninas: Leader of the Young Pioneers of Myakka which replaces the Boy and Girl Scouts of Myakka in all Communist held areas.
6. Christopher Perezes: Leader of the Watchers (http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/hol-pix/einsatz41b.jpg), a Communist death squad charged with the eradication of enemies of the Revolution. He is responsible for managing the purges as well as making sure that all the death camps are working efficiently.

Important Monarchists:
1. Gaspard XIX: Emperor of Myakka
2. John Minat: Minister of Defense
3. Altair Turenne: Foreign Minister
4. Samuel D'Grassi: Economic Minister
5. Nadine Paras: Governess of the Imperial Children (she is only responsible for the underage Prince Zane and Princess Ariel since Prince Gaspard and Princess Valerie are already past the age of eighteen)
6. Lucia Marsden (http://www.languageisavirus.com/articles/images/anais.jpg): Monarchist essayist who can be called Myakka's Eva Peron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Per%C3%B3n) and one of Myakka's foremost modern day intellectuals.

OOC: Then why is the pic labled? Or did you find it like that?

find it and i shown where i got it from to Myakka on MSN

Just cause you show it to one person doesn't mean the rest of us will know, fyi
and I have no idea what you want me to find, you have the pic

form here had to go get it
http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Dissenters1/zundel/reports_may11.htm
and it not sent to you is it now

Myakka, I dropped forces, I need a description before I can move any further.

I'll be posting an ORBAT and posting my deployment soon, if anybody cares.

Myakka, I dropped forces, I need a description before I can move any further.

Information on what exactly? Tell me and I'll work on something for you.

Things like Myakkan culture, a somewhat easy method of telling friend from foe, and such would do wonders.

Information on what exactly? Tell me and I'll work on something for you.

Well I dropped my forces in. I need to know about the enviroment they're in, is it urban, rural and whatnot. Also, you said it was a place of major commie activity, so I dropped my troop near there. I'm pretty sure a group of parachuting guys is hard to miss so is anyone gonna attack them of=r what? That kinda stuff.

Well I dropped my forces in. I need to know about the enviroment they're in, is it urban, rural and whatnot. Also, you said it was a place of major commie activity, so I dropped my troop near there. I'm pretty sure a group of parachuting guys is hard to miss so is anyone gonna attack them of=r what? That kinda stuff.

The area you are in would be the Province of Thedanas which is filled with mountains, rivers and forests as well as being the only Monarchist stronghold really left in the North. You can just say that you would land near a forest or river and yes, your men will be attacked.

Things like Myakkan culture, a somewhat easy method of telling friend from foe, and such would do wonders.

OOC: Ironically I have been working on that.

Myakkan culture is relatively based on a mix of RL cultures including the Scottish and Japanese cultures along with some of my own ideas thrown into the mix; for example Myakkans are very firm believers in their independence and consider tradition to be very valuable to them. The Myakkan culture is deeply attached to Nature and women are given much respect in Myakka as as fellow decision makers and power holders albeit Myakkan culture is technically patriarchal. Most Myakkans generally love the Monarchy and such love can be discovered if they were monarchist pins or banners such as the Green Cross which is a symbol used in the Middle Ages by the Gaspardists during the Foundation Wars. Communists usually rely on traditional Communist signs such as the hammer and sickle. Myakkans are a Calvinist Christian people with some of them being very devoted to their faith like the Afrikaners of South Africa or the Puritans of England. Some Myakkans are also very devoted to agrarian pursuits with villagers centered around the farms. A village usually has a group of farms working together albeit not like one collective but rather a bunch of independent farms working for one common goal.

From time to time foreign soldiers may see the Foresters (OOC: Based on the RL Forest Brothers who fought Nazis and Soviets in the name of independence for Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania) who are Monarchist soldiers who rely on forests and secret hideouts in their crusade against the Communists; acting independently of the Myakkan Government albeit fiercely loyal to it. Foresters often wear tattered uniforms or clothing they brought from their homes and women are often seen in their ranks; sometimes in leadership positions. There is no single leader of the Foresters due to their independence from each other in a band system. All bands have their own leaders known as Commanders (there is no other title given to female leaders; male and female leaders are simply called Commanders) who lead operations and who are succeeded by the colleague deemed to be the best in terms of loyalty to the cause and leadership. All bands are essentially meritocratic and forbid children from fighting with them albeit one of the Forester's Creed's tenets is to make a better Myakka for the children; some Foresters have children but usually leave them with their spouses or with friends if both spouses become Foresters. Foresters were born out of the Myakkan villages and towns that were attacked by the Communists with some of them having been escaped prisoners, rape victims and people who lost their loved ones in attacks and purges. Foresters can be known for their green color armbands with a white M in the middle of a red heart to symbolize their love for the Myakkan nation. Foresters have networks of cellars and bunkers which they use to avoid capture by Communist forces albeit some of them would kill themselves with poison tablets if they were captured. Bands are named after natural landmarks, certain animals or historical people. Only people eighteen and older (there is no religious or other requirement for membership) can join the Foresters by declaring their allegiance to the following creed:

"I swear to uphold all tenets of the Foresters which are:

1. To always be loyal to His Majesty, Gaspard XIX, and his entire family, the House of Lanquesnet, and all those who succeed him. I swear my allegiance to the Myakkan Crown and to the solemn dream that it may continue to reign over our nation for many more years.
2. To fight for the sakes of all men, women and children of our beloved homeland. To make a better nation for those who will inherit it from our generation and to defend all refugees and victims of oppression and injustice.
3. To believe in liberty for all men and women, to fight for human rights, and to act in solidarity with all soldiers opposed to the Red Menace. The man or woman who fights alongside me against the Red Menace, even if not of the same religion or social class, is my trusted friend."

Currently working on an ORBAT, hope to soon have something that can go up against 10 million+ enemy soldiers and not be slaughtered instantly :mp5:

Currently working on an ORBAT, hope to soon have something that can go up against 10 million+ enemy soldiers and not be slaughtered instantly :mp5:

Is ten million men realistic though? This is my first war RP on NS and I want to make sure that I do it right. :)

Is ten million men realistic though? This is my first war RP on NS and I want to make sure that I do it right. :)

I know that the generally accpted values for the size of a nation's armed forces are 1%-3% of the total population. Since it's a civil war, I'd take that number (based on whatever percentage in that range you choose) and cut it in half, since both sides appear to be roughly equal at the moment.

Since my nation's roughly equal to the U.S. at the moment (in both population and military budget), I was only noting that such a large number of ground troops means that unless I commit my entire military, I'm going to be operating in a support role. Which is okay, because this is going to be my first war too, so I have to start somewhere.

At the moment I'm looking at sending 300,000 combat troops and 200,000 logistics to help out the Monarchy forces.

Will I be able to count on logistics support (fuel trucks, ammo trucks, other supplies) from Monarchist forces? Because otherwise I'll have to send fewer combat troops and more logistics in order to keep my forces in the field running.

At the moment I'm looking at sending 300,000 combat troops and 200,000 logistics to help out the Monarchy forces.

Will I be able to count on logistics support (fuel trucks, ammo trucks, other supplies) from Monarchist forces? Because otherwise I'll have to send fewer combat troops and more logistics in order to keep my forces in the field running.

The Monarchists would give you logistics support but would try to make sure that everyone is able to get adequate support so at times there could be squabbles about where logistics support actually goes but you should be able to manage well.

Okay, as long as I'm able to get some help. I am intending on bringing 200,000 logistics personnel of my own, so I'll be getting probably 60% of my support from my own people, and only using the Monarchists to supplement.

Thank you

Okay, as long as I'm able to get some help. I am intending on bringing 200,000 logistics personnel of my own, so I'll be getting probably 60% of my support from my own people, and only using the Monarchists to supplement.

Thank you

No problem. Thanks for joining this RP of mine, Salz. Your soldiers may also meet roaming bands of Foresters; who are Monarchist citizens acting independently of the government.

My pleasure, glad to be able to participate. And who doesn't love a good group of Partisans running around behind enemy lines, causing havoc and striking blows for the good guys?

My pleasure, glad to be able to participate. And who doesn't love a good group of Partisans running around behind enemy lines, causing havoc and striking blows for the good guys?

Foresters are essentially partisans who come from the villages and towns sacked and seized by the Communists: they are refugees but also escaped prisoners of war, rape victims, and average citizens who do not feel like bowing to the Reds. They wear any clothes they can get their hands on and use whatever weapons they can get their hands on. A Commander can be male or female.

Any com-rebels have a port? i have advisers who "procured" a ship full of supplies..

Any com-rebels have a port? i have advisers who "procured" a ship full of supplies..

They have several ports that they use.

Salzland ORBAT:

Naval Detachment

Nimitz-Class Aircraft Carriers: 3 (SDFS Defiant, Victorious and Resolute)
Carrier Air Groups: 3 (one per carrier, see Wikipedia for composition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_Air_Group))
Ticonderoga-Class Cruisers: 12 (4 per battle group)
Arleigh Burke-Class Destroyers: 18 (6 per group)
Oliver Hazard Perry-Class Frigates: 30 (10 per group)
USS Virginia-Class SSN: 12 (4 per group)
Supply-Class T-AOE Combat Logistics vessels: 9 (3 per group)

Air Detachment

4 F-22 Air Superiority Wings (72 fighters/wing)
4 F-15C Air Superiority Wings (72 fighters/wing)
2 F-15E Ground Attack Wings (72 fighters/wing)
1 A-10 Thunderbolt II Ground Attack Wing (72 aircraft/wing)
1 Squadron of B-2 Spirits (16 bombers/squadron)
1 Squadron of B-1 Lancers (16 bombers/squadron)
1 Squadron of B-52 Bombers (16 bombers/squadron)
1 Wing of KC-135 Tankers (60 aircraft/wing)

300 AH-64D Apache Gunships
650 OH-58D Kiowa Scout helicopters
300 UH-60 Blackhawks

Various C-130 and C-17 transport aircraft

Ground Detachment

30 Divisions of Salzland Defense Force Marines (10,000 men/division)
-20 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
-10 Armored Divisions

Organized into 3 Corps (2nd-4th Corps), each of 10 Divisions

Mech. Infantry Division:
-160 M1A2 Tanks
-200 M2A3 Bradley APCs
-30 M-109 Paladin Self-Propelled guns
-10 M-270 MLRS
(4,000) Armored + Maintenance personnel
(6,000) Combat Infantry

Armored Division:
-320 M1A2 Tanks
-300 M2A3 Bradley APCs
-50 M-109 Paladin Self-Propelled guns
-25 M-270 MLRS
(5,500) Armored + Maintenance personnel
(4,500) Combat Infantry

Totals:
6,400 M1A2 Tanks
7,000 M2A3 Bradley APCs
1,100 M-109 Paladin Self-Propelled guns
450 M-270 MLRS
135,000 Armored + Maintenance personnel
165,000 Combat Infantry

Millonism is the Communist school of thought which is named after Thomas Millone and which is based upon the ideas that Millone has developed in order to bring Communism to Myakka. Based upon hardline Stalinism and Maoism along with other anti-revisionist schools, Millonism has only been developed over the course of the Myakkan Revolution. Millonists, first of all, look to Stalin and Mao for daily inspiration. They believe that the Soviet Union under Stalin and the People's Republic of China under Mao were examples of what nations should be like and they often include writings by Stalin and Mao's Little Red Book in their studies. Thomas Millone's writings such as his essay, The Necessity, are also considered to be gospel to the Millonists. The Necessity is known for its thesis that the aggravation of class struggle under socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aggravation_of_class_struggle_under_socialism) is a proper doctrine and that the enemies of the Revolution must be ruthlessly purged, without mercy, whereever they may be. Millone believes that Socialism in One Country was essential because he theorized that the Myakkan Revolution was for Myakkans only and that priority should be placed on achieving a Communist society in Myakka before any international struggles are waged. Millonists generally agree that Stalinism and Maoism are the two foundations of Millonism. Millonists generally believe that purges are necessary to purify Myakka of reactionary elements and that the struggle for the Revolution should be waged mercilessly and relentlessly for the sake of the People. They believe that Myakkan culture must be drastically reformed to suit the needs of the Revolution and that old ways of thinking and acting should be scrapped.

"Although the bourgeoisie has been overthrown, it is still trying to use the old ideas, culture, customs, and habits of the exploiting classes to corrupt the masses, capture their minds, and endeavor to stage a comeback. The proletariat must do just the opposite: It must meet head-on every challenge of the bourgeoisie in the ideological field and use the new ideas, culture, customs, and habits of the proletariat to change the mental outlook of the whole of society. At present, our objective is to struggle against and crush those persons in authority who are taking the capitalist road, to criticize and repudiate the reactionary bourgeois academic "authorities" and the ideology of the bourgeoisie and all other exploiting classes and to transform education, literature and art, and all other parts of the superstructure that do not correspond to the socialist economic base, so as to facilitate the consolidation and development of the socialist system." (Chinese Communist Party's words during the time of the Cultural Revolution; Millonists believe that even after a successful Revolution occurs will old ideas, etc be used by its enemies)

Millonists generally are opposed to schools of thought within Communism such as Trotskyism which casts dim lights on men like Stalin. Millonists believe that Trotskyist and other like minded individuals are enemies of the Revolution and that they are inclined to believing that Stalin and Mao implemented true socialism and that Trotsky and others are rightfully held to be in the wrong as they ardently believe that Stalin and Mao were great benefactors of the People. They also express admiration for people who broke with Maoist China after the death of Mao because they believe that China and Russia after Mao and Stalin fell into the abyss. They believe in the total separation of Church and State and hold that the Church of Myakka should never be allowed to own land but only that which churches stand on. They also believe that religion should not be crushed but rather purified of anti-Revolutionary elements.

OOC: I have decided how this conflict will end along with some future conflicts but I am not going to tell you how it will all end since I do not want to spoil the ending.

does the monachy flees? because Lynion is secured and they can flee to Lynion.

mmmm i know nothing

does the monachy flees? because Lynion is secured and they can flee to Lynion.

OOC: I shall keep that in mind but I don't want to spoil it all for you.

mmmm i know nothing

You will soon enough. :)

Just so you don't forget, I still had a lot of troops and bombers that landed at one of your airports near the beginning of the thread and they're still on standby.

Just so you don't forget, I still had a lot of troops and bombers that landed at one of your airports near the beginning of the thread and they're still on standby.

OOC: I would like you to use those now. The Western Flank is doing good but the Eastern Flank is doing badly with the Communists planning a massive offensive. If the Eastern Flank, or Front, falls.....then the Communists could very well may capture the capital.

Also, this is my first war RP. Do you think I am doing alright in it? I do think I could use some improvement.

Yeah, you're doin fine in my opinion. Don't worry, I know it's hard to get to everyone in something like this, especially when everyone isn't grouped but instead playing in different areas on different sides. I do like your style though, and the RP has a good storyline.

Jw is it to much (like in reciving info) to get the general number of comunist forces and student forces that are still around.

Yeah, you're doin fine in my opinion. Don't worry, I know it's hard to get to everyone in something like this, especially when everyone isn't grouped but instead playing in different areas on different sides. I do like your style though, and the RP has a good storyline.

Thanks for the compliment. I think that this conflict will end soon but new conflicts may arise after this one is all but finished. I may not be as experienced as some people in this kind of RP but at least I am doing pretty good at it. Thanks again, Greywatch. :)

OOC: if we are sending troops do we have 2 tell how much or do we only need 2 tell is asked? and can u tell me a little more about the east flank like culture (if it differs there sincce its part of the student army now), there language, and a little more about weather and terrain plz if thats not to much to ask.