NationStates Jolt Archive

This is up due to the fact that we have a lot of OOC comments taking up space recently. Now we can put them here and not clutter up the IC anymore

Right, so whats the decision then? Or shall we just let Aaquahelper read up on my perposition and the counter points you made and let him come to a decision?

That's what I think we should do. He did make the thread so he has the final say. Note, if I send in a force, I'm not going to conquer, I'll just provide some backup

Where do you draw the line between back up and conquer?

Or will you be more concerned with establishing relations with the various empries you've met?
OR DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT INSTALLMENT?!?!

I mean this, I'll come it, shoot a few people, blow up some defenses, and help y'all move forward. When people are dividing up territory for what their claims are, I'm not going to claim anything, I'll just sit there afterward waiting for you guys to realize I can be a useful ally. Then when everything's done I'll set up diplomatic relations with people.

Ahh very clever.

I don't want territory lol. My Empire hasn't expanded for the last 200 years, we've been building up our existing solar systems. I'm just going to glass Aquahelpers planet... or if certain circumstances arise i may offer Aquahelper the chance to relocate to a reserve in my Empire. Especially if his people seem particuarly resourceful.

It all depends on the protocal :rolleyes:

Careful with that, he said conquer. Conquer and genocide have different meanings

Genocide? Oh god i never thought of it like that... OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was sooo impersonal... oh the humanity.. or lack of it in my case.... errrrr.... well. In that case i hope that Angenteria and Outer Heaven hold my protocals back. Maybe the Greywatch representative will provide well learnt galactic advice lol. Maybe this will be a turn around for my people...

You have no idea what Drones are.... I'll have to explain this yet again, or you can read other threads I'm on.
And what is glassing if not bombarding someone with nukes?

You have no idea what Drones are.... I'll have to explain this yet again, or you can read other threads I'm on.
And what is glassing if not bombarding someone with nukes?

FT you don't all ways need Nukes to Glass someone

Don't worry explaining. I will go through some other threads and read up on your empire.

Glassing is where the ships plasma weaponry is directed at the planets surface, the heat evidently destroys everything and turns the ground into glass. Hence the term Glassing... i never thought about it being a form of genocide though.. urghhh. maybe because it was i always thought of it as a method of taking out colonies, then it's not genocide but extermination.

But if Aquahelper only has one planet.. then it's genocide i suppose... oooooo that could ahve been a close call.

P.S. I know a drone is not a real living thing.

FT you don't all ways need Nukes to Glass someone

Don't worry explaining. I will go through some other threads and read up on your empire.

Glassing is where the ships plasma weaponry is directed at the planets surface, the heat evidently destroys everything and turns the ground into glass. Hence the term Glassing... i never thought about it being a form of genocide though.. urghhh. maybe because it was i always thought of it as a method of taking out colonies, then it's not genocide but extermination.

But if Aquahelper only has one planet.. then it's genocide i suppose... oooooo that could ahve been a close call.

P.S. I know a drone is not a real living thing.

Point being you're wiping out a race by bombarding the surface with a high-energy weapon. Isa, do you post on every thread you see?

Well errr.... no not nessacerily. If the race spanned seveal systems then it wouldn't be genocide. But if the race had but one planet then i suppose it would be genocide.

Still, if it's the homeworld.... and it then would still be mass murder. Which of course, my guys will probably try to stop you.

Point being you're wiping out a race by bombarding the surface with a high-energy weapon. Isa, do you post on every thread you see?

i was going to ask about somethnig i saw in the thread but now can't recall what it was

Yes, if i were to glass the home planet it would be genocide. And we'll see what happens as we go along won't we. I've got my protocals stored up in my head, so it al depends on the situation.

Still im shocked that i've inadvertently ben causing genocide... what an amazing lapse of thought.

Wow... your people don't think before they act do they?

i was going to ask about somethnig i saw in the thread but now can't recall what it was

lol... it'll come back to you eventually

Well, in terms of RPG, as i've touched vaguely upon, my race has been driven to extinction themselves by other races numerous times. Hence colouring their attitude to aggressive races. Wether or not the Ciscilians could be considered aggressive or overly defensive is up for debate.

The protocal which casued my race to get involved in this RPG was one which simply stated that aggressive races were not to be tolerated. Due to my race being intolerant to intolerance.

The races which tried to exterminate mine in the early eons of history were extremely agresive, and in many cases religiously motivated. The only solution was to wipe them off the galaxy, since they would never stop. Over the passing millenia you could suppose that the repeated destruction of single minded genocide bent races destroyed by glassing has become second nature to the Ciscilians. So much so that they have forgotten when glassing is nessacery and when it is not. This oculd be a useful learning curve for them no?

If Aummonum HAD joined in the way he did my fleet would have spun round and tried to destroy him, BECASUE he was attacking agressivly for no reason what so ever. So there is an alien like logic to my race. Alhtough i cannot distill it to a simpler manner lol.

Oh well, repeated near extinction has at least given them a good sense of humour. As the Ciscilians put it:

"There is something undeniably humorous when a race must put it's self on the endangered species list for their own planet"

EDIT: where i say extinct i mean near extinction

You realize what my Drone is gonna do don't you?

Get really angry?

But of course, he'd only react if we blatantly said that we wanted to commit genocide. Seeing as this is all out of context you can't apply what you know.

If anything, when it comes to the questions deciding what to do my race is going to come across as completely confused and out of it's depth as it's exposed to ideas and views it hasn't held for many generations.

In any case protocal dictates that the Angenterians lead the offensive, so it's their decision.

Also, i'd only glass their planet if Aquahelpers empire said they'd never stop fighting to win.

Protocal is a wonderful multi-layered thing!!!

On second thoughts can you explain what a Drone is because evidently i'm not going to phamthom a well thought out concept you made up just by piecing stuf together from a thread.

I won't include the information i learn here in the RPG obviously.

Genocide is bad, m'kay?

Let's try to not glass, nuke, bombard, death-star, or gas Aquahelpers planet in any way. He wants to be conquered, not exterminated.

What I intended to do is after the MASSIVE SPACE BATTLE OF DOOM, I kinda wanted to land ground troops to initiate a land battle against Aquahelpers army, to conquer the planet by force, so to speak (unless they surrender.) Then we could divide up the planet. That would (hopefully) make for a sequel, as tensions between all sides are strained by all sorts of disputes, and the ever-present Aquahelpian resistance movement against the invading empires.

As for the current RPG, why don't we just keep going and see where things take us?

Seconded

((please keep posting [ignore the fact that I wont be here from tomorrow-sat]))
1. I have four planets... I would prefer that you dont use any mass destruction from nukes, planetary bombardments [though I guess some hits from things like cannons will be unavoidable... pain to clean up a city planet] that being said one major hit will most likely kill thousands if not millions.... or gassing (for getting other planets I prefer gassing... the use of a denser then air gas to displace air and suffocate everyone... cant filter what isn't there so even those with masks die)

2. I dont have that much of a problem with the Aummonian ships provided that the weapons are like a rapid fire with low power (though since its plasma that seems impossible) any major FT fiction usually has a ship with a few main weapons and missiles
exempli gratia (e.g.) halo- two MAC cannons and archer missile pods, Star Trek- omnidirectional phasers (which if made smaller I find they make wonderful point defense due to an ability to engage multiple targets) Star wars [several times larger then the last two and an exponential increase in power] 50-100 main cannons numerous smaller ones and some missile launchers, star gate- well.. earth had a missile boat basically with something like 4 plasma cannons later though... plasma cannons were like gigaton or something though the antagonist were somewhat like Star wars without missiles

I therefore have a problem with thousands of batteries, however I do find then acceptable if the ship is designed to spew out a wall of low powered shows that I cannot avoid... not if each shot is like a single turbo laser (like i said... its like the death star without a super laser)... its better though then before, if it does follow the above then it would mean a change in tactic for me because such a salvo, since unavoidable, would most likely mean instantaneous overheat of my "shield" systems [though my stations have real shields as a primary, plasma as a secondary, and armor as last line of passive defense]

3. in FT a drone can be living... if you subscribe to a hive mind system of operation

4. due to my large size... currently you will have a hard time conquering me and the battle might take many NS years.... [if it does then there is also the chance of me developming new technology, spurred on by a sense of hopelessness like Germany late WW2]

5. I said the conquerer might not be the person that defeats me, leaving the prospect for a continual open, perhaps causing this to escalate into a more galactic war

6 I would like to end up independent some time in the future, with full control over my system so that will mean my forces waiting and then launching a rebellion

7. any land battle will be equally as long because 1. its all urban meaning the only vehicles will be like star wars with anti-grav units... well i suppose you could put a tank down on a walk way... woudn't get far though as its mostly meant for people and 2. I have millions of people on each planet

8. an interesting battle might be an invasion of a colony (look of space colony on wiki and the o'neil cylinder, each has a population of around 10 million and I have thousands of these in addition to hollowed out asteroids)

9.... no nine... yet

Is three supposed to be refering to me?

I honestly dont know I just saw drone= dead and I thought to contradict that (I just skimmed over the last two pages) I dont know who said what

Unless... Heres a thought, what if the RPG continues with the current people up to the point where we've NEARLY crushed Aquahelper in his home system; so lets say we are half way through his defences, Then Aummonium could come in and try to destroy all of us.

Remeber how you said Aquahelepr that you didn't want the ones who defeated you to be the ones who won? To make things interesting. How's that for an idea?

I once again apologise for being a prick.

Actually that might not be a bad idea. I can come in as a third party seeing his world under attack and send in a modest(not huge one like i originally stated) or I can be already as alliance of his? But have token forces to help defend or be there already interacting but get dragged into it?
I also accept your apology Utopian Soviet Union.
Either way I thought this was a sound RP thread.

Whilest I be glad that people are making up, I'm still not gonna have my fleet destroyed, making sure peoples know that right now.

Whilest I be glad that people are making up, I'm still not gonna have my fleet destroyed, making sure peoples know that right now.

Then what is the point of battle RPs? Why bring a fighting force not to fight and POSSIBLY get destroyed or even parts of it? And who said your fleet is going to be destroyed personally?

You misunderstand, I said I would not have my FLEET destroyed. I'm fine with having ships destroyed, but not the entire fleet.

And who said your fleet is going to be destroyed personally?

Have you read over USU's idea? The entire thing?

In response to Aummonium,

Thank you for accepting my apology.

You can't be already allied to him because this is his first contact, other wise it would make no sense.

Have you read through all the posts in this and the other thread between me and Greywatch? Alas i fear it won't work, Greywatch pointed out a lot of complications, including how it's to late really for a nation to join. I was hoping that Aquahelper would make a definitive decision.

The only way really is if we come up with a sequel and then Aummonium can join in.

Who knows, maybe we will be he ones then to revitalise the long dead super weapons and technology of days gone past.

I'm down for the sequel, we're gonna have one no matter what. I think it would be easier to insert Aummonium then if s/he's okay with that.

I have no problem with you joining, Aummonia, I was just a little po'd over the God-Fleet of DOOM. Whatever terms that everyone can agree on is fine (whether joining as an ally or enemy), but I do think the attack everyone after the Aquahelper battle idea is pretty cool.

Yeah, i'm for the sequel and Aummonium joining in on the sequel. It makes sense.

back to the IC then?

Yep.

We're waiting for Outer Heaven aren't we before the talks and commence... hence my small talk with the confessor. Be interesting eh?

yup. Now then... who wants to hunt down Outer Heaven.

How can we get hold of him then... i'll post on his profile.

Post on his profile and TG him?

Yess...... is this a trick question?

He didn't respond to my TG a few days back, but I like the idea of explaining my state religion.

Happy to give you the oppertunity!!! :rolleyes:

Yess...... is this a trick question?

Only if you make it one. XD

lol,

I've telegrammed outer heaven. We'll have to wait and see.

Yes... hopefully he hasn't dropped out.

This may be a good time to warn you all that from the 28th (Monday) i will be away for a week. Untill teh following Monday.

Sorry.

I must be the only one here who doesn't go anywhere during summer.

You seem to be on here all the time mate. Which is slightly more than i am since i tend to leave the page open whilst i do my school work.

Nah, it's just that whilest I'm at work on the weekdays, I don't always have anything to do so I check NS. Right now, I'm actually working on some math stuff and checking up on the threads every no and then.

looks like nothing is going to get done (change of plans Im here tday... leaving on monday like the above)

Oh right, i'm still here for the next week. Just not the one after.

P.S. Greywatch: Curiosity killed the cat ;)

lol. yes, yes indeed it did.

Greywatch, I don't get your drones question. What do you mean?

I THINK, his drone wants confirmaiton as to if "the divide" is responsible for bestowing the Emporer with special powers.

What else don't you get? Getting intertesting now isn't it...

Looking at it now i think that Greywolf meant "divines" NOT "Divide"

Although i could be wrong, but it makes more sense.

I understand the power part, but I'm exactly sure what this "divide" is. Does he mean the split between the Demon Gods and the, uhh, not demon gods? Or maybe it is divines. I'll answer it like that.

Whenever he wants to come in and magically clear up everything, he can.

By the way, its GreyWATCH, not GreyWOLF.

Christ why do i keep on making that mistake.... GREYWOLF.... OH FUCK I MEANT TO TYPE OUT GREYWATCH BUT IT DID THAT NAYWAY!!!!! DAM IT!!!!

GREYWATCH GREYWATCH!!!

Grey... like the evening sun flitting through the forest... watch like the beings which dwell in the forest shadowed by the lights last rays...

Hopefully i should remember it now... Greywatch!

Divine, sorry, typo

Ahh, i got something right then lol

lol, every dog had its day.

ha ha OH HAPPY DAYS!!!

lolz
cats and dogs

Any word on Outer Heaven?

I've gotten nothing

Same here, nothing.

Okay, here goes, description of a Drone...

First, leem start off with Cryption. Its an ability that a race known as the Elden posesss, they're one of my races. In Star Wars, they had the Force; in Tabula Rasa, they had Logos; and so on and so forth. Cryption is a 'supernatural ability' that allows the owner to manipulate the universe in many different ways. Creating fire, lightning, controliing water.... that's the basics. Those who are skilled can summon beings from other worlds, regenerate and other stuff. Anyway, Cryption is broken down into two parts, Cryption and Encryption. Essentially, attack and defense, respectively. Now then, raw cryption can be thought of as being raw oil, its unprocessed and can't be used for much. Raw cryption allows the owener to essentially do whatever Jedi can do, 'cept raw cryption allows you to also steal souls and whatnot if you're good. Processing it allows you to use ice, fire, and shadow abilities, otherwise known as 'Demonic Cryption.' Further pricessing... okay dropping that, just read the last few pages of the "Shades of Grey" thread, link: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=560463&page=4

I'll take this quote so you don't have to dig around:

"I slip into shadows, I can make shadow actual physical entities and kill people with them. The thing you saw with the feathers, in battle I've changed them into kunai and unleashed a barrage on my enemies... Demonic Cryption is simply saying, you're using the cryption that belonged to ancient demons. Remember fire, darkness, and ice? I am primarily darkness and ice, thus I'm using the demonic forms of Cryption. I can't show you all my abilities though, think about it. I'm ice and darkness on a world of light and heat, I'm weak here. The Leanorians smiled, one of them hugged Ghost, much to his own discomfort, "Don't worry, you can show him another time." She was larger than Ghost, by at least a foot, and strong enough to lift him off the ground if she wanted to. She smiled at Vulpe, "If I didn't say so before, I'm Violet and my sister there is Kayla. Our abilities are different because we focus more on encryptive arts. We heal and bless our aliies. If we fight demons, we can purge them by using light energies... whereas Ghost surronds his enemies in darkness and shadow and unleashes what some may think of as curses." Kayla nodded, "We're two opposites. If we were to fight in a nuetral area, without anything to make our skills more powerful, we'd most likely be equals."

Okay, you're prolly still wondering what a Drone is. Now if you understood this quick runthoug, Drones are this:

Blood of a well-skilled soldier, blood of an Elden, raw Cryption. Mix it all together and you get 50 Drones, all of which are hive minded and able to communicate with each other no matter how far they are apart, no matter what's between them. When you're talking to one Drone, you're actually talking to fifty of 'em, there's no such theing as privacy. So anyway, yeah, Drones are half clone, half ghost-ish things. They can all regerate and do other cool stuff. Yes, so there, that's about it.

So they are in no way whatsoeve machine based. Right, my fault. If you would care to deride Palleons mis-understanding in whateve manner you see fit please go ahead ;)

This is a first contact after, who knows bugger all about anyone lol

I will keep up on the story thread and this one to step in when you think it is acceptable.

It'll prolly be sometime during the end of, or after, the attack. My guess anyway.

My best guess would be during the land war, after we defeat the Aquahelpian navy in space. You could land your own ground forces, and have a sorta three-sided ground war.

gotta love the three sided wars

I am basically going to send in a scout/diplomatic ship and he will witness the assault on the planet and then will send a message to the planets owners and see if they want help....if they do not, we can see what i can come up with.

USU, remember, OOC comments in this thread. ;)

And speaking of FTL travel, my guys use somthing similar to slip space but in the process the rift that's opened send out gravatation disturbances similar to that of a black hole. But, yeah, I can bypass his defenses, though chances are I'm not going to simply to make in interesting.

For all of my larger ships, which does not include my fighters and bombers, they have jump-point generators(like Babylon 5 ones). They then go into hyperspace.

So...any word on when things are gonna get going again?

Dunno, when all of us get back?