NationStates Jolt Archive

Which one is your nation?

Type 0-mt/pmt
Type 1-has the technological capability to control everything about the planet
Type 2-has colonial control over at least one star system
Type 3-Exerts control over the entire galaxy

Civilization types elaborated here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHbnM_42mQE&feature=related)

I play MT and FT

Mines a Past Tech, medieval japanese to be exact.

I guess I'll go with Type 2, since I play all FT. My first nation, Neo-Roma, definitely fits the Type 2 description. My second nation, The Aletes, has no unified government, so I think the term 'colonial' fits a little more loosely in their case. :rolleyes:

I think owning a galaxy is stupid. Also owning an entire planet. I play MT. It's just unrealistic and stupid to do an entire galaxy or several planets

Modern tech. Too much Star trek, Star Wars, Star Gate, Star whatever that makes my head hurt after awhile that is FT...

I agree

I play MT/PMT and FT. Its kinda annoying to balance FT and MT. :mp5:

Modern tech. Too much Star trek, Star Wars, Star Gate, Star whatever that makes my head hurt after awhile that is FT...

This is probably the only Hard Sci-fi NS around. And probably the only Type I civ. as well. The bad side is that I rarely RP with it due to lack of interest. The good side is that I would not have much time or creativity to RP with it in the first place.

And I agree with this sentiment. But I hope it'll come a time where people will get bored of World War Two Dogfighting in Space and get into the...

REAL THING (http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/)

Or at least be more original and use Settings which were not beaten like a dead horse in fan fic, like for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_1889

*Edit: And I have a statblock for unobtainium too(and this time it's literally unobtainium)

Electron Configuration: [Uuo] 8s2 5g6
Electrons per shell: 2, 8, 18, 32, 38, 18, 8, 2
Appearance: Obsidian, highly reflective surface
Isotopes: Unknown
Standard atomic weight: (315)g.mol**(−1)
Phase: Solid
Density: 25 g/cm**(-3)
Melting point: 3,929 ºC
Boiling point: 6,212 ºC

The Incorporated States of Miskonia are just starting to explore and colonize space. We have recently discovered a substantial source if Iridium used to produce Anti-Matter for our Matter Anti-Matter Reactors. We have a handful of Star Ships ready to go out into the universe.

The Calaverian Obsererved Systems is lead by one planet: Celestis: but the Calaverian have base/camps on over three thousand other worlds.

Late Type 0.

And I agree with this sentiment. But I hope it'll come a time where people will get bored of World War Two Dogfighting in Space and get into the...

REAL THING (http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/)

I try to stay close to hard sci-fi in my civilizations. Not perfect, admittedly, but I always sweep aside fighters with point defense like the insignificant gnats that they are. ;)

I think owning a galaxy is stupid. Also owning an entire planet. I play MT. It's just unrealistic and stupid to do an entire galaxy or several planets

You do realise that some of us have higher populations than the entirety of the planet earth, which is rather crowded as is?

FT Otagia is probably around a 2.3 on the Kardashev scale. Perfectly capable of manufacturing a Dyson swarm, although matter-energy conversion tech means we really don't need to. Territory-wise, just a few (seven or so) inhabited planets, although a larger amount are used purely for agricultural or mining purposes.

MT Otagia, on the other hand, is probably about a .7 or .8.

Oh shit, forgot bout that. Sorry.

My nation is a PMT nation that has regional control of a large parts of the planetary landmass.

I think owning a galaxy is stupid. Also owning an entire planet. I play MT. It's just unrealistic and stupid to do an entire galaxy or several planets

An entire galaxy is certainly unrealistic, for it would require a 100% zombie population with no capability of independent thought, and also FTL, which is unrealistic and unscientific, no matter what others say, and still it's questionable.

Owing an entire planet is not stupid, in fact it's becoming scarily a closer and closer possibility. First economic blocs, then Unified Constitutions, unified militaries and on. An one-world government is a strong possibility in mankind's near future.

Owning all economically useful planets of a single Solar System isn't stupid either, regardless of FTL, because the distances still allow something adequate, although it would be like the Sail Age empires, where it took months to reach the colonies. Owing multiple Solar Systems with a sense of unity can also be possible, for up to 5 systems maybe, although it would be likely for most to be semi-independent or independents allies due to the distances, like a modern Commonwealth, so you would not be able to exert direct control over anything rather than your own system.

I have discussed this once:

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=2154&view=findpost&p=2895121


A Dyson ring?

It seems the most feasible idea for a Type II Civilization on Kardashev Scale. Of course colonizing multiple systems would allow it as well, but people seem to ignore the geopolitical(or more fittingly, astropolitical) implications of several of different planets being inhabited by human beings. And a travel from Earth to Alpha Centauri, supposing for example that the colonists in the latter declared independence from Earth's government, would take realistically much more time than the time the Brits took to attempt quelling the attempt of independence by the U.S. And that not counting how the problems of efficiency and corruption a single global government would have should it be centralized.

Even a trip to Europa to quell an independence attempt by colonists would be more complicated in both logistics and travel time than those intercontinental trips with sailing ships, let alone the possibility that several different solar systems, in planets with entirely different environments(as environments are also known to shape culture) are held together by a single government. So I present an offtopic question:

Impossibility of FTL = Impossibility of interstellar governments?

There is of course the "My aliens are not balkanized like human beings" argument

My nations tech level is like ancient Rome mixed with steam punk... So, pretty much a zero rank civilization.

Mordern Tech for me, but with some elements of PMT (eg. Anti-Nuclear Missile Laser System)

And I agree with this sentiment. But I hope it'll come a time where people will get bored of World War Two Dogfighting in Space and get into the...

What's wrong with that, or at least 60s in space? Dunno about you, but I'd rather not mix large amounts of maths in with rping.

i only play mt and pmt

My nation mainly is in MT-Early PMT, but I made a far FT version that dominates several universes known as the Grand Multiversal Order. I don't do FT much though, I only have an FT version to deter people from changing to FT in the middle of an MT-PMT thread.

MT-wise, my nation has extremely advanced capabilities. We can clone humans efficiently, but it actually requires more time and resources to create a clone than to make a standard human. We have several AI programs that we use to rape a nation's infrastructure. Also, we have found out how to store anti-matter efficiently, but we still cannot create giant amounts of it.

My nation mainly is in MT-Early PMT, but I made a far FT version that dominates several universes known as the Grand Multiversal Order. I don't do FT much though, I only have an FT version to deter people from changing to FT in the middle of an MT-PMT thread.

You know, you could just use the IGNORE cannon if they try, or RP with respectable people..

Modern tech for me.

P.S: Wow, new smileys!

An entire galaxy is certainly unrealistic, for it would require a 100% zombie population with no capability of independent thought

You are quite sure and have proof to back up your comments? Thought not. The OP didn't quite put it correctly however. It's not that a Type III civilization owns an entire galaxy, but it is a civilization that is able to harness all of the power available from a single galaxy, approximately 4 ×10^37 W. (This figure is extremely variable, since galaxies vary widely in size; the stated figure is the approximate power output of the Milky Way.)

and also FTL, which is unrealistic and unscientific, no matter what others say, and still it's questionable.

Just like when it was stated (in the early 1800's) that going over 50MPH would make your blood boil, or the sound barrier couldn't be broken by manned aircraft (1950's), or that men would never walk on the moon (1960's).

A quick question for you....you are a theoretical physicist right? No? Ok, an astrophysicist then...? No? Ok, you at least have a doctorate in some Astro- or Physics-based discipline, right? No? Then why do you say absolutes when physicists today would say that FTL isn't impossible. Improbable? Possibly.

You also forget that while the theory of special relativity forbids an object to have a relative velocity greater than light, general relativity does allow the space between distant objects to expand in such a way that they have a "recession velocity" which exceeds the speed of light.

Laugh at Star Trek all you want (and I usually do myself) but their warp drive isn't so far fetched. Miguel Alcubierre theorized in 1994 that it would be possible to create an "Alcubierre drive" which would enclose a ship in a "warp bubble" where the space at the front of the bubble is rapidly contracting and the space at the back is rapidly expanding. The result is that the bubble can reach a distant destination much faster than light, but the ship inside the bubble do not travel FTL. Yes, it's just a theory, but then again so was FTS (faster than sound) travel back in the early 1900's.

There is also the thought that a ship could traverse the universe via artificially created wormholes. The traveler through the wormhole doesn't travel FTL, but they would be able to reach their destination faster than light traveling outside the wormhole. Yes, again it's a theory and no one knows what we need to do to build one today....but again, I point out that nuclear weapons and nuclear energy was considered Sci-Fi up until the 1940's. There are some great sci-fi stories from the 1920's, 30's, and even the 1940's (before the bomb was announced) that spoke on 'atomic' rayguns, engines and weapons.

And that is all I will say on that. Rebut if you want, I'm not going to get into a discussion with someone obviously so closed minded. Flat-Earth folks are just not worth the time.

As for my small MT nation, I plan to move them up to FT over the next year or two.

You are quite sure and have proof to back up your comments? Thought not. The OP didn't quite put it correctly however. It's not that a Type III civilization owns an entire galaxy, but it is a civilization that is able to harness all of the power available from a single galaxy, approximately 4 ×10^37 W. (This figure is extremely variable, since galaxies vary widely in size; the stated figure is the approximate power output of the Milky Way.)

He's right. Actually, being more than a Type .1 civilization would be virtually impossible, as the sheer amount of nations that RP means that harnessing the entire planet's power (At least Main NS Earth, not Earth II, etc.) would require conquering at least tens of large empires just to get to that .1!

I am an MT player, I am a type 1.

He's right. Actually, being more than a Type .1 civilization would be virtually impossible, as the sheer amount of nations that RP means that harnessing the entire planet's power (At least Main NS Earth, not Earth II, etc.) would require conquering at least tens of large empires just to get to that .1!

:soap:

Your being too closed minded in this matter. Different nations have different IC histories. So ICly they may have battled and fought many other nations and empires that were not actual NS profiles but just imaginary nations that played a role in their nation's history. Or they might have started on another planet then that has no other nation/race than their own then have some of their countrymen and women colonize a part of NS earth. For example my nation ICly warred with many empires throughout it's history and my nation only has some territory on NS earth. My nation started on the planet Athens, was forced out by imperialists in which NS earth and Cruscion(became type one and learned to control Cruscion) were colonized then a series of wars lead to South Lizasaurian dominance and the liberation of Athens which resulted in South Lizasaurian dominion over several star systems(hence becoming type 2). Due to the fact that the South Lizasaurians tend to respect each and every nation as much as it respects them NS earth was saved from their wrath.

I agree that a type 3 civilization maybe a bit cheesy and modish but I do beleive that in FT having a type 1 or type 2 is quite possible provided the history behind it doesn't screw with that of NS earth.

I am an MT player, I am a type 1.

winnar

I am an MT player, I am a type 1.
no me

I tend to play as a less advanced Post Modern Tech nation. In order to accommodate a large population, we've established high density cities on the ocean floor, and we have an experimental, test bed type space colony under construction, but interstellar transport is out of our league, and even interplanetary transport is very difficult and expensive.

I am an MT player, I am a type 1.

If you're MT I doubt you're type 1, weather control tech is PMT if not FT

:soap:

Your being too closed minded in this matter. Different nations have different IC histories. So ICly they may have battled and fought many other nations and empires that were not actual NS profiles but just imaginary nations that played a role in their nation's history. Or they might have started on another planet then that has no other nation/race than their own then have some of their countrymen and women colonize a part of NS earth. For example my nation ICly warred with many empires throughout it's history and my nation only has some territory on NS earth. My nation started on the planet Athens, was forced out by imperialists in which NS earth and Cruscion(became type one and learned to control Cruscion) were colonized then a series of wars lead to South Lizasaurian dominance and the liberation of Athens which resulted in South Lizasaurian dominion over several star systems(hence becoming type 2). Due to the fact that the South Lizasaurians tend to respect each and every nation as much as it respects them NS earth was saved from their wrath.

I agree that a type 3 civilization maybe a bit cheesy and modish but I do beleive that inFT having a type 1 or type 2 is quite possible provided the history behind it doesn't screw with that of NS earth.

Quite. Anyway, you win :D

Quite.

Oops my mistake. :(

Karshkovia's post

Wow dude, hostile much? Disagree with him, sure, but there's no need to start a flame war.

Based on watching that video and reading a little more on the Kardashev scale, I'd have to reclassify my two civilizations as between Type 1 and 2. And even then, they're both ahead of each other on the road to Type 2 in different areas. The Neo-Romans come out ahead in overall technology level, and they certainly have the capability to bend planetary forces to their will, which puts them past Type 1. But they certainly aren't building Dyson spheres or harvesting energy on that scale. The Aletes, on the other hand, don't inhabit any terrestrial planets, and thus don't have any need to command planetary forces, and their tech in that area falls well behind. But they do live in space and have a prediliction towards gigantic engineering projects, so they'd be much more likely to start building Dyson spheres and the like.

I liked what that guy had to say on Earth's civilization being right on the cusp of Type 1. Kind of exciting to think about. :D

I'm largely MT, and I would be at least a Type 3.5.

I'm MT and I'm a Type 3.

I'm MT and I'm a Type 3.

Omfg Doom you stole my rating haxxor :upyours:

The Soviet Union of Razorl is a type 0 civilization that will transfer to a type 1 within the next 8 or so years.

My nation types in Spanish, the same type of the civilization which originated it.

Tazhistan is a MT Type 0.

Wow dude, hostile much? Disagree with him, sure, but there's no need to start a flame war.

Karshkovia's hobby is amateur Astronomy (radio and optical) so he is a little touchy about subjects dealing with space, especially when people make uninformed or unrepresentative comments (and passive aggressive comments like "no matter what others say" which show solar was being close minded). If you knew him in real life, you'd understand. He takes it very seriously but he did come on a little strong (not that Solar didn't ask for it, karsh just shouldn't have stooped to Solar's level.)

I'm a type two, by the definitions given in the OP. I'm obviously basing my civ on Star Trek's Romulan Star Empire.

My other nation (Skyland Mt) is modern tech, and type zero.

This nation is 'Type 0' by your scale. It never really had an Industrial Revolution, partly because it was mostly isolated from its neighbours & their resources for centuries by a mystical barrier that only collapsed quite recently (OOC: thus explaining why the nation hadn't been noticed by those neighbours, despite it having a long history in its current location on the regional map, before it actually entered play...) and partly because Ursines simply don't need -- or like -- as much stuff as humans do: Skilled craftsmen manufacture [reasonably advanced] 'pre-modern' technology and -- now -- some types of 'modern-tech' items too, and we also import some manufactured goods from our new neighbours who are basically 'modern-tech', but most people still have what's basically a "19th-century" lifestyle in most respects.

Steam trains, paddle-boats, airships...
and LOTS of motorcycles... ;)


(This nation isn't used for military RP, only for sporting and cultural events. Like at least some of the other nations in its home region, it is considered to have a much lower population than the game's official figures say.)