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Due to the relative age and rising maintenance costs of our current military transportation fleet, the Ministry of Acquistion has been authorized to accept product submissions from foreign companies in hopes of replacing the aging C-5 Galaxy (Strategic Transport) and AN-124 (Tactical Transport) Transport Aircraft. We are not only looking for an aircraft that meets or exceeds our specifications, but also whether it looks good or not. This however, will not be a major factor in selection. We look forward to hearing from you.

Minister of Acquisition
Petr Vokavo

To: Petr Vokavo, Minister of Acquisition, Falkasia
From: Karen Jenkins, Crookfur Arms
Re: Strategic transport requirement.

Dear Sir,

In reply to your request for proposals Crookfur Arms would like to Present:

CFU-21 Clydesdale Strategic Airlifter (http://z8.invisionfree.com/Crookfur_Arms/index.php?showtopic=41)

For you consideration.

I would be most obliged if you coudl take the time to cosnider our offer.

Kind regards
Karen Jenkins
Head of Sales
Crookfur Arms

We thank you for your offer, and will consider it as a candidate for repalcing our current aircraft. Please, provide us with a picture if at all possible so we can pin it up on our suggestions board.

Minister of Acquisition
Petr Vokavo

OOC: Only one application??

OOC: I'll get my research team (namely myself) working on it lol. Didn';t even think of transport aircraft. Will tell you when I have a design.

OOC: Ok, thanks. Perferably provide a picture too. I'm not only looking for specs, but also how well it looks as well.

OOC:that could be a problem, but I'll try drawing maybe. If i do draw, it will look pathetic.

OOC: Trust me, even pathetic things look good to some people. LIKE ME! lol

OOC:*squeals* yay me! *takes sanity pills* okay....phew...I'll get right on that. Should have it within about 2 days.....i think

OOC: That's fine with me. Take your time.

OOC:well it's 9 pm now, and i draw about 5 cm an hour so.....i have no clue. sorry for causing this randomness. Everywhere i go, i ruin threads rofl. Will do my best, and will egt my friend to help. He is an aircraft fanatic, and will probably be a pilot, so he'll be very helpful..... or else :sniper:

OOC: Don't worry about it. Any post is a good post (Besides spammage or Mingeism). Good luck!

OOC:I shall need it! Will keep you updated. Any speacial requirements? Any limitations, etc?

OOC: Nope, just needs to be better than my Strategic Transport or my Tactical Transport, depending which one you're designing for, and needs to be cheaper to maintain.

OOC:alright then. I never even thought of supply lol. Not something most people think about. Might I use it as well? Instead of making it purpose built for you.

OOC: Be my guest. If you design it, your welcome to use the rights to it.

OOC: ok then. Where do you think it will be used? That will be a major part of the design. Will it need to land on small airstrips, carry large weights etc.

OOC: Well, it kinda depends. They'll be carrying large loads sometimes, and lighter loads other times. Sometimes they'll be taking off from short, unprepared runways, and other times they'll be taking off of airport runways. I'm really looking for a multi-purpose cargo-carrier that can handle a lot of situations.

OOC: ok then. So i will make t like a swedish jet that can take off of a local highway type thing. Will get right on it.

OOC: Ok, thanks. I may in the future ask you to do a joint storefront if you want too. You've got good ideas.

OOC: ok then. So i will make t like a swedish jet that can take off of a local highway type thing. Will get right on it.

OOC: I think that's more a feature of the highways than of the planes.

OOC: Zinare, want to make an offer? I've only got two so far.

OOC: Zinare, want to make an offer? I've only got two so far.

OOC: Hey, I'm in the same boat as you...or plane as it were. I'm in the market for new transports, I don't produce them.

OOC:I wouldn't mind going into a joint sales operation. If you want to know the weapons I make, and so are able to sell, then just ask me. I will TG them. It's not a point of the highways, but the aircraft being lightweight, and needing very little take off room. It's because in Sweden they don't have many airports etc, so they created it so it can land in a field, if temporary runways are laid down, or on a highway, or local road. It is quite real, and is their main fighter interceptor.

OOC: Hey, I'm in the same boat as you...or plane as it were. I'm in the market for new transports, I don't produce them.

I see. Well, good luck finding them!

OOC:I would make some offers, but I use the same vehicles! Lol. There is one thing you probably don't have.....

OOC:I wouldn't mind going into a joint sales operation. If you want to know the weapons I make, and so are able to sell, then just ask me. I will TG them. It's not a point of the highways, but the aircraft being lightweight, and needing very little take off room. It's because in Sweden they don't have many airports etc, so they created it so it can land in a field, if temporary runways are laid down, or on a highway, or local road. It is quite real, and is their main fighter interceptor.

OOC: As I recall, the highways they built during WWII were specifically designed to function as airstrips for the current planes in a pinch. I'm standing by my statement that it's mainly by virtue of the highways that planes can take off from them.

OOC: Give me a few days, and I could design one for you.

OOC: Give me a few days, and I could design one for you.

OOC: Ok, take your time. You'll be number 3 to submit a product. And if you can, please submit a picture too. I'm not only looking for specs, but also how good it looks.

OOC:ok whatever. I saw the documentary on it like 4 months ago rofl. I have an idea for a jeep, if you want it Zinaire. Burtilana purchased the same one.

OOC:ok whatever. I saw the documentary on it like 4 months ago rofl. I have an idea for a jeep, if you want it Zinaire. Burtilana purchased the same one.

OOC: As I recall the "SwimGrott" was not selected as their quick response vehicle.

OOC:lol. They did buy alot in a speacial offer. Ask them if you want. They bought 5000 to be exact. Also, it's the SwimGrogt.

OOC: Regardless, we're not interested.

OOC:Sorry. ok then. I must get over the sadness....okay over it. I will get on to designing the aircraft.

*horsey* Bumpity bumpity bumpity bump

LAIX Arms (Lamoni) will be basing it's entry to this competition on the AN-225. For more information on that aircraft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An-225

OOC: Ok. I am familiar with all Russian Aircraft. I assume your entry will focus on replacing my C-5 Galaxy as the premier Strategic Transport?

Office of the Secretary of Defense
Department of Defense
Commonwealth of Free United States

The Commonwealth would like to enter this contract bid, especially for the role of tactical transport. Our entry is the CV-30 Vogel medium-lift VTOL transport. It was built to compete against the V-22 Osprey as a replacement to our aging fleet of MH-53 Pave Lows and CH-47 Chinooks. The specifications have been included below.

Yuri Borichev,
Secretary of Defense

CV-30 Vogel

Primary function Amphibious assault transport of troops, equipment and supplies from assault ships and land bases
Prime Contractor(s)
Red Star Industries, Osius City, CFUS
Dept. of Defense R&D, Sayenia Naval Base, CFUS

Description The CV-30 Vogel is a multi-engine, dual-piloted, self-deployable, medium lift, vertical takeoff and landing (VTOL) tilt-nacelle aircraft designed for combat, combat support, combat service support, and Special Operations missions worldwide. It will replace the Defense Forces aged fleet of CH-46E and CH-53D medium lift helicopters
Variants CV-30 will be utilized by the Air Defense Force for their Special Operations missions maintaining maximum commonality. Aircraft avionics peculiar to the ADF unique mission requirements constitute aircraft differences.
CV-30-A will be used by Maritime Forces for Combat Search and Rescue and fleet logistics support.

Dimensions
Length 57' 4" - Spread
63' 0" - Folded
Width 84' 7" - Spread
18' 5" - Folded
Height 22' 1" - Spread
18' 1" - Folded

Weights
33,140 lb (15,032) Empty weight
52,600 lbs (23,860 kg) Takeoff, Vertical Takeoff/Landing (VTOL)
57,000 lbs (24,948 kg) Takeoff, Short Takeoff/Landing (STOL)
60,500 lbs (27,443 kg) Takeoff, Self Deploy STO (Maximum Take-Off)
10,000 lbs (4,536 kg) Cargo hook, single
15,000 lbs (6,804 kg) Cargo hook, dual

Max fuel capacity
2,037 gal/13,850 lbs
1,228 gals (4,649 liters) Sponsons
787 gals (2,979 liters) Wing
2,436 gals (9,221 liters) Aux, self-deployment

Propulsion
Four F-2000X-001 Red Star Ind. turbofans @ 40,000 ft./lbs. each. Located in two engine nacelles

Range
200nm Pre-Assault Raid with 18 troops
200nm Land Assault with 24 troops
50 nm (x2) Amphibious Assault
500 nm Long Range SOF Missions (CADF/CV-22)
2,100 nm Self Deploy (with one refueling)
50 nm External Lift Operations with 10,000 lb load


Rate of Climb
1,090 fpm (332 m/m) Vertical rate of climb, SL
2,320 fpm (707 m/m) Max rate of climb, SL

Ceiling
70,000 ft (21,336 m) Service Ceiling

Cabin provisions
24 troops/12 litters

Rescue hoist capacity
600 lbs

Cargo floor limit
300 PSF

Unit Cost $40.1M USD


note: it's basically an Osprey with jet engines instead of tilt-rotors...i sorta have a pic, but it's pretty choppy. i'll try to put it up.

note: it's basically an Osprey with jet engines instead of tilt-rotors...i sorta have a pic, but it's pretty choppy. i'll try to put it up.

OOC: Would that work? I'm pretty sure they have to use turboprops because it is more like a helicopter rotor.

OOC: I appreciate your offer, but I'm looknig for a cargo plane to replace my current fleet of C-5s and AN-124s. The VTOL aircraft is for short range flights only. However, I have been lin the market looking for a short range transport, and will add you to the list. Kind of reminds me of the VTOL transport on the strategy game Act of War: Direct Action.

And yes Zinare, it would work, so long as Boeing can get all the kinks out of the original one.

IC:
To: Free United States
Regarding: Product Submission
We appreciate your offer by submitting your CV-30 'Vogel" VTOL Transport, but we are looking for applications to replace our C-5 and AN-124 Transport Aircraft. However, due to rising fuel prices, Falkasia has been in the market for a short-range transport for some time. Your application wil lbe added to the list.

We appreciate your time,
Petr Vokavo
Minister of Acquisition

OOC: Ok. I am familiar with all Russian Aircraft. I assume your entry will focus on replacing my C-5 Galaxy as the premier Strategic Transport?

Yes. http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3882&st=0&#last This is the C-10 Minotaur, but the stats will likely change with input from the Draftroom members.

OOC: Would that work? I'm pretty sure they have to use turboprops because it is more like a helicopter rotor.

OOC: I appreciate your offer, but I'm looknig for a cargo plane to replace my current fleet of C-5s and AN-124s. The VTOL aircraft is for short range flights only. However, I have been lin the market looking for a short range transport, and will add you to the list. Kind of reminds me of the VTOL transport on the strategy game Act of War: Direct Action.

And yes Zinare, it would work, so long as Boeing can get all the kinks out of the original one.

IC:
To: Free United States
Regarding: Product Submission
We appreciate your offer by submitting your CV-20 'Vogel" VTOL Transport, but we are looking for applications to replace our C-5 and AN-124 Transport Aircraft. However, due to rising fuel prices, Falkasia has been in the market for a short-range transport for some time. Your application wil lbe added to the list.

We appreciate your time,
Petr Vokavo
Minister of Acquisition

ooc: i actually got the idea from Space: Above and Beyond...

ooc2: it's the CV-30 vogel.

ic:

Office of the Secretary of Defense
Department of Defense
Commonwealth of Free United States

We thank you for your consideration, and would like to add that in conjunction with the Vogel development, a VTOL-capable AWACS platform was also created. We do not know if you would be interested, but thought it prudent to inform you.

Yuri Borichev,
Secretary of Defense

ooc: i actually got the idea from Space: Above and Beyond...

ooc2: it's the CV-30 vogel.

ic:

Office of the Secretary of Defense
Department of Defense
Commonwealth of Free United States

We thank you for your consideration, and would like to add that in conjunction with the Vogel development, a VTOL-capable AWACS platform was also created. We do not know if you would be interested, but thought it prudent to inform you.

Yuri Borichev,
Secretary of Defense

OOC: Sorry about the mistake. Couldn't remember if it was the CV-20 or CV-30. I may be interested in your AWACS VTOL, so long as it can be carrier launched.

OOC:i should have my specs up soon. Will hopefully place my pic here. This is what I'm basing the design on. Will photoshop what I need. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-17_Globemaster_III

Yes. http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3882&st=0&#last This is the C-10 Minotaur, but the stats will likely change with input from the Draftroom members.

OOC: We appreciate your offer, and so far, you're the leading candidate to replace the C-5. I do, however have a quick question. Can this aircraft take off of short, semi-prepared runways either on the frontline, or shortly behind it.

I know I can definiately use it for civilian cargo, as well as for military cargo and personnel transportation from base to base. Great job!

OOC:i should have my specs up soon. Will hopefully place my pic here. This is what I'm basing the design on. Will photoshop what I need. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-17_Globemaster_III

OOC: Ok Daiwiz, I assume you are either designing to replace my Tactical transport, or both at the same time. Good luck with your design!

C-41
Crew: 3: 2 pilots, 1 loadmaster
Capacity:
145 troops or
37 litter and 59 ambulatory patients
Payload: 250,900 lb
Length: 185 ft
Wingspan: 174.8 ft
Height: 58.2 ft
Wing area: 3,952 ft²
Empty weight: 290,532 lb
Max takeoff weight: 585,000 lb (265,350 kg)
Powerplant: 6× Pratt & Whitney F117-PW-100 turbofans, 40,440 lbf and 2x EuroProp TP400 10,690 each
Fuel capacity: 35,570 US gal (134,556 L)
Performance
Cruise speed: Mach 0.75
Range: 2,453 nmi
Service ceiling 45,000 ft
Max wing loading: 250 lb/ft²
Minimum thrust/weight: 0.300

Almost made entirely of aluminum. Wing struts allow a small fighter intercepter to travel with the plan, although it greatly lowers the maximum liftoff weight. It is possible to place an extra tank under each wing, in place of the intercepters, or light missiles, but is only recommended if necessary. It is quite possible to take off of semi prepared, or quickly built, temporary runways. The two tuboprops, are on the top of each wing, above the turbines, giving it an odd look, admittedly. It is possible to fit it with air-to-air missiles, or light air-to-ground missiles. We have done our best to give you the best design possible, and a photo should follow shortly. We are working on making this aircraft able to take off, and land, on water. This aircraft is just entering production, and We have set the price at 69 million things. We apologize for the price, but we have not been able to mass produce it, as of yet.

Kolitburo, Graith Dr'klow

OOC Daiwiz are you classing your plane as a Bomber as a B is used for classing Bomber planes

OOC:sorry. Iv been awake for all of an hour, and also it's my friend whos the pilot lol. I will change that. Is a cargo. There are much lighter versions, that are a bomber, but they are still mostly a cargo. Antyhing else i screwed up on?

OOC: Very nice design. Am I correct to assume that you plan on submitting it as a replacement for my Tactical Transport? Two quick questions though. Can it take off of both long and short runways, some of which may be unprepared? Alos, can it operate both on the frontline and behind it? Still, nice design. I may end up buying one anyways to test it out.

OOC:*smiles* It can take off of short runways unloaded, or carrying light cargo, but you should have the regular runway of a Boeing 747. It performs very well on improvised runways, and it is able to land on most areas, if there are metal boards for a runway. It can be frontline, by adding turrets, but it handles like a pig. Thats why i said that it can carry two fighter interceptors under the wings, preferably MiGs, since they are light. It's for whatever you want it to replace. Anything else? I will get the pic up, as soon as my mom shows me how to use photoshop rofl.

OOC: Sorry about the mistake. Couldn't remember if it was the CV-20 or CV-30. I may be interested in your AWACS VTOL, so long as it can be carrier launched.

ooc: of course it's carrier launched. it's meant to replace the aging E-2C Hawkeye fleet

E-5 Darkeye

Type:
Early Warning and Control aircraft

Powerplant:
2 Red Star Ind. T-1000/D-300 Turbofans thrusting at 40,000 ft./lbs each

Crew:
2 Pilots and 1 Radar Controller

Performance:
Speed: 500 knots
Range: 2000 nm

Countermeasures:
Chaff deployments system, flare system, ECM

Systems:
AN/APS-145
AN/ALR-73 Passive Detection System, IFF

Summary of Mission and Capabilities:
High-wing, all-weather, carrier-based airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft that patrols task force defense perimeters
Provides early warning of approaching enemy aircraft and vectors interceptors into attack position
In addition to its primary AEW function, can also provide strike and traffic control, area surveillance, search and rescue guidance, navigational assistance, communications relay, and drug interdiction.
AN/APS-145 radar provides fully automatic overland detection and tracking and significantly extends the radar detection limits. The radar capable of detecting targets anywhere within a three-million-cubic-mile surveillance envelope while simultaneously monitoring maritime traffic.
An Enhanced High-Speed Processor, which expands the active track file by 400% is incorporated into the mission computer. Each E-5 can maintain all-weather patrols, track, automatically and simultaneously, more than 600 targets, and control more than 40 airborne intercepts.
Enhanced Main Display Units provide operators with improved visual representation.
Joint Tactical Information Distribution System (JTIDS) incorporates several anti-jam features to allow uninterrupted voice and data communications, thereby enhancing interoperability.

Wing span 24.56 m / 80' 7"
Wing chord: (at root) 3.96 m
Wing chord (at tip) 1.32 m
Wing aspect ratio 8.94 m
Length overall 17.54 m / 57' 9"
Height overall 5.58 m / 18' 4"
Diameter of rotodome 7.32 m
Tailplane span 7.99 m
Wheel track 5.93 m
Wheel base 7.06 m

Weight empty 17,859 kg / 40,484 lbs.
Maximum fuel (internal, usable) 5,624 kg / 12,400 lbs.
Maximum T-O weight 5,624 kg / 54,426 lbs.
Maximum power loading 3.18 kg/kW

The Armed Republic of Cascade States,
as an arms Nation would like to suggest the following aircraft,
which we build and use.
All are Real Life / tech


C-130
short take off, and landing, rough landing capabilities,
Can land on a Nimitz aircraft carrier too.
lifts 20 tons

IL-76
lifts 30 tons, short take off, and rough landing capabilities

AN-225 Mirra " Cossack "
lifts 250 tons !

We offer others, but these are the one's our own military uses primarily.

ooc: of course it's carrier launched. it's meant to replace the aging E-2C Hawkeye fleet

E-5 Darkeye

Type:
Early Warning and Control aircraft

Powerplant:
2 Red Star Ind. T-1000/D-300 Turbofans thrusting at 40,000 ft./lbs each

Crew:
2 Pilots and 1 Radar Controller

Performance:
Speed: 500 knots
Range: 2000 nm

Countermeasures:
Chaff deployments system, flare system, ECM

Systems:
AN/APS-145
AN/ALR-73 Passive Detection System, IFF

Summary of Mission and Capabilities:
High-wing, all-weather, carrier-based airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft that patrols task force defense perimeters
Provides early warning of approaching enemy aircraft and vectors interceptors into attack position
In addition to its primary AEW function, can also provide strike and traffic control, area surveillance, search and rescue guidance, navigational assistance, communications relay, and drug interdiction.
AN/APS-145 radar provides fully automatic overland detection and tracking and significantly extends the radar detection limits. The radar capable of detecting targets anywhere within a three-million-cubic-mile surveillance envelope while simultaneously monitoring maritime traffic.
An Enhanced High-Speed Processor, which expands the active track file by 400% is incorporated into the mission computer. Each E-5 can maintain all-weather patrols, track, automatically and simultaneously, more than 600 targets, and control more than 40 airborne intercepts.
Enhanced Main Display Units provide operators with improved visual representation.
Joint Tactical Information Distribution System (JTIDS) incorporates several anti-jam features to allow uninterrupted voice and data communications, thereby enhancing interoperability.

Wing span 24.56 m / 80' 7"
Wing chord: (at root) 3.96 m
Wing chord (at tip) 1.32 m
Wing aspect ratio 8.94 m
Length overall 17.54 m / 57' 9"
Height overall 5.58 m / 18' 4"
Diameter of rotodome 7.32 m
Tailplane span 7.99 m
Wheel track 5.93 m
Wheel base 7.06 m

Weight empty 17,859 kg / 40,484 lbs.
Maximum fuel (internal, usable) 5,624 kg / 12,400 lbs.
Maximum T-O weight 5,624 kg / 54,426 lbs.
Maximum power loading 3.18 kg/kW

OOC: Ok, this is actually the best offer I've gotten so far for an AWACS Aircraft. I'll look into it and tell you what I think.

The Armed Republic of Cascade States,
as an arms Nation would like to suggest the following aircraft,
which we build and use.
All are Real Life / tech


C-130
short take off, and landing, rough landing capabilities,
Can land on a Nimitz aircraft carrier too.
lifts 20 tons

IL-76
lifts 30 tons, short take off, and rough landing capabilities

AN-225 Mirra " Cossack "
lifts 250 tons !

We offer others, but these are the one's our own military uses primarily.

OOC: I'm looking for better player-made aircraft that can replace my current fleet, not real world ones. I appreicate your offer however.

OOC: Ok, this is actually the best offer I've gotten so far for an AWACS Aircraft. I'll look into it and tell you what I think.

ooc: thanks. the Vogel and Darkeye are also usable for PMT/FT. in fact, i designed them that way to begin with, and then scaled them back to MT.

again, thanks. I take that as a high compliment.

ooc you have a image of the E-5 Darkeye ?

OOC: We appreciate your offer, and so far, you're the leading candidate to replace the C-5. I do, however have a quick question. Can this aircraft take off of short, semi-prepared runways either on the frontline, or shortly behind it.

I know I can definiately use it for civilian cargo, as well as for military cargo and personnel transportation from base to base. Great job!

OOC: The large nature of the C-10 would militate against it's use on short unprepared runways; especially with the 3,500 m takeoff run. Although, it might be possible to shorten the takeoff run with the use of disposable take off assistance rockets; and it would help to do so while the aircraft was empty of cargo. I'll have to take that question to the Draftroom. As for semi-prepared runways, it might be possible. If you could sufficiently harden a long (and wide) enough straight stretch of highway, the C-10 could take off and land on that, as well.

Like the AN-225 (from which the C-10 is based), I would not advise flying the C-10 close to the front line, unless you have air superiority. The sheer size of the C-10 means that it won't be all that maneuverable, but that is a problem with most transport aircraft. I would reccomend having fighters escort the C-10 if you plan on sending it anywhere near a combat zone.

Thank you.

OOC: The large nature of the C-10 would militate against it's use on short unprepared runways; especially with the 3,500 m takeoff run. Although, it might be possible to shorten the takeoff run with the use of disposable take off assistance rockets; and it would help to do so while the aircraft was empty of cargo. I'll have to take that question to the Draftroom. As for semi-prepared runways, it might be possible. If you could sufficiently harden a long (and wide) enough straight stretch of highway, the C-10 could take off and land on that, as well.

Like the AN-225 (from which the C-10 is based), I would not advise flying the C-10 close to the front line, unless you have air superiority. The sheer size of the C-10 means that it won't be all that maneuverable, but that is a problem with most transport aircraft. I would reccomend having fighters escort the C-10 if you plan on sending it anywhere near a combat zone.

Thank you.

Ok then. I'l ladd you to the completed submissions list. I will be selecting the replacement candidates (if any) next Monday.

We thank you for your offer, and will consider it as a candidate for repalcing our current aircraft. Please, provide us with a picture if at all possible so we can pin it up on our suggestions board.

Minister of Acquisition
Petr Vokavo


OOC:
quick and dirty pic here:

http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/cfu-21.png

fairly aweful but gives you soem idea of what a whale like this would look like.

OOC:
quick and dirty pic here:

http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/cfu-21.png

fairly aweful but gives you soem idea of what a whale like this would look like.

OOC: That's actually not half bad. It's still much better than I can do, lol. Thanks for the pic.

OOC:better than mine :) mine looks like a 5 year olds......anyways, anything speacial to put it up? It can carry a single fighter intercepter on the back, and the two props on the tops of the wings, can be flipped to spin backwards, so as to reduce the landing area.

OOC: That sounds liek a pretty good design. Very unique. Just waht I'm looking for.

OOC:little old me, or someone elses? I put the light fighter interceptor in so that it can travel farther distances with an escort. The fighter is probably a MiG, since they are small, and light. What sight should i put it up on?

OOC:little old me, or someone elses? I put the light fighter interceptor in so that it can travel farther distances with an escort. The fighter is probably a MiG, since they are small, and light. What sight should i put it up on?

OOC: Yea, I was talking about yours. Photobucket, Grafitti, whatever floats your boat.

OOC:now i just have to figure out how to upload it....

((will have it up within 24 hours.....hopefully....)

CV-30 Vogel
http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p343/knight4hire/cv-30-a.jpg

ooc: sorry for the hacky job...

OOC: The completed C-10 Minotaur... http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3887&st=0&#last

now i have to put it up...

OOC: The completed C-10 Minotaur... http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=3887&st=0&#last

OOC: Are you sure it's finished? It has no range.

OOC: Are you sure it's finished? It has no range.

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Range:

Max Fuel: 17,000 km
Max Payload: 7,000 km


Yes it does.

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Yes it does.

OOC: Does the fuel determine the range?

OOC: Both amount of fuel at the start of the flight, AND the weight of the payload factor into the range.

OOC: Both amount of fuel at the start of the flight, AND the weight of the payload factor into the range.

OOC: Ok, can you give me a general range estimate for a fully loaded plane?

OOC: Ok, can you give me a general range estimate for a fully loaded plane?

OOC: 7,000 km, it says right there.

OOC: What Zinaire said

OOC: Right... I'm an idiot.

After much deliberation and debate among our staff, we have selected the product "winners" from our submissions pile. All "winners" will recieved an exclusive contract for exactly 20 planes with the possiblilty for future buys as well. Congratulations to the winners, as well as those who submitted but were not chosen.

Strategic Airlift/Supply:
LAIX C-10 Minotaur

Tactical Airlift/Transport:
Daiwiz's C-41

And the wild card.....

Regional Airlift/Supply, Combat Transport
Free United States' CV-30 "Vogel"

Again, congratulations to all who participated.

ooc: woot, go wild card!

ooc2: so, should i set up a separate thread for the E-5 Darkeye?

LAIX Arms

To: Falkasia
From: Aircraft Department, LAIX Arms

We at LAIX Arms would like to thank you for selecting our C-10 Minotaur Strategic Air Transport. The total cost of your order amounts to 6 Billion Standard Dollars. Delivery of your order will take 2.5 years, and work will begin on confirmation of receipt of funds.

-message ends-

OOC: Is this you? http://nstracker.jfsoftware.com/index.php?nation=Falkasia

OOC:That is Falk.....WOW.....lots of waste rofl. This is not even 30 minutes before waking up.

IC:TO: The Falkasian Defense Minister

We wish to thank you for selecting our entrent as a winner, and we shall begin production immediately. We shall have your order finished with three years, and we apologize for the time it will take. We have been making breakthroughs to mass produce this large aircraft, but we are still being forced to make it by hand. We do have one aircraft that we may send to you, so that our pilots may test it themselves. The price is 1,380,000,000 things, but because of our good standing with your country, we will lower it to 980,000,000 things. We shall also inclue a shipment of our new recoilless rifle, the PanzerFaust 3T.

Kolitburo, Graith Dr'klow

ooc: woot, go wild card!

ooc2: so, should i set up a separate thread for the E-5 Darkeye?

OOC: You can if you want. If you do, post a link here.

LAIX Arms

To: Falkasia
From: Aircraft Department, LAIX Arms

We at LAIX Arms would like to thank you for selecting our C-10 Minotaur Strategic Air Transport. The total cost of your order amounts to 6 Billion Standard Dollars. Delivery of your order will take 2.5 years, and work will begin on confirmation of receipt of funds.

-message ends-

OOC: Is this you? http://nstracker.jfsoftware.com/index.php?nation=Falkasia

OOC: Yea, that's me. Just take the cost out of every single budget. i've got the money, it's just locked up in the wrong places.

IC:
As of our current economic situation, we cannot pay the 6 billion up front. However, if we can arrange installments to pay, we can most likely have the total price paid off by the time they arrive. Again, it has been a pleasure doing business with you.

OOC:That is Falk.....WOW.....lots of waste rofl. This is not even 30 minutes before waking up.

IC:TO: The Falkasian Defense Minister

We wish to thank you for selecting our entrent as a winner, and we shall begin production immediately. We shall have your order finished with three years, and we apologize for the time it will take. We have been making breakthroughs to mass produce this large aircraft, but we are still being forced to make it by hand. We do have one aircraft that we may send to you, so that our pilots may test it themselves. The price is 1,380,000,000 things, but because of our good standing with your country, we will lower it to 980,000,000 things. We shall also inclue a shipment of our new recoilless rifle, the PanzerFaust 3T.

Kolitburo, Graith Dr'klow

To whom it may concern:

We appreciate your offer and generosity, and look forward to doing future business with you.

ooc: here is the storefront for both the cv-30 and e-5 darkeye: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=561320

ic:

Office of the Secretary of Defense
Department of Defense
Commonwealth of Free United States

As representative of the Commonwealth, it is with great honor that we accept this award for your military. As production has already started on the CV-30 Vogel for our Defense Forces, the first delivery for Falkasia shall be within three months. The entire fleet should be delivered within 18 months.

Yuri Borichev
Secretary of Defense

ooc: here is the storefront for both the cv-30 and e-5 darkeye: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=561320

ic:

Office of the Secretary of Defense
Department of Defense
Commonwealth of Free United States

As representative of the Commonwealth, it is with great honor that we accept this award for your military. As production has already started on the CV-30 Vogel for our Defense Forces, the first delivery for Falkasia shall be within three months. The entire fleet should be delivered within 18 months.

Yuri Borichev
Secretary of Defense

We appreciate it. It has been a pleasure doing business with you.

OOC: Now you can brag about the Falkasian Aerospace Award at a storefront!! Oh, and thanks for the link. I can never find any important topics, even if I look really ahrd.

As of our current economic situation, we cannot pay the 6 billion up front. However, if we can arrange installments to pay, we can most likely have the total price paid off by the time they arrive. Again, it has been a pleasure doing business with you.

LAIX Arms

To: Falkasian Government
From: Aircraft Division, LAIX Arms

A payment plan of 2 billion standard dollars per year for three years would be acceptable. If Falkasia cannot meet this payment plan; we can work out another one, as long as it is within reason.

We would once again like to thank you for selecting the C-10 Minotaur to be your Strategic Air Transport, and feel that you will be well served by it.

--Message Ends--

LAIX Arms

To: Falkasian Government
From: Aircraft Division, LAIX Arms

A payment plan of 2 billion standard dollars per year for three years would be acceptable. If Falkasia cannot meet this payment plan; we can work out another one, as long as it is within reason.

We would once again like to thank you for selecting the C-10 Minotaur to be your Strategic Air Transport, and feel that you will be well served by it.

--Message Ends--

To: LAIX ARMS
FROM: Falkasia

We will be able to furfill the payment plan you've laid out, and will send the first payment of 2 billion immediately.

LAIX Arms

To: Falkasian Government
From: Aircraft Division, LAIX Arms

Your order has been confirmed, as has the receipt of your first payment. Delivery of your new aircraft shall start within the NS week, delivery to be complete five days afterwards.