NationStates Jolt Archive

AP-Dr. Joseph R. Albin a Medical Comission honored doctor is in jail tonight after it was discovered he had been performing secret abortions in his country side office. Albin, 47 was a doctor of the people, who often traveled around the country, often to very rurual towns and farms to help anyone who needed it. When he wasn't traveling he was tending to patients with loving care in the Capital.

On Thrusday night a tip came into local police of New Hope that a shady clinic was potentially dealing medication out illegally. Upon inspection police walked in on a clinic of people waiting, mostly young teenage girls preparing for an abortion.

All the patients including Dr. Albin were arrested and taken to the state prision in the capital city. Charges are being filed against the patients as well as all past patients, but the National Attorney is preparing to bring charges against Albin. "He will be charged with 162 counts of Murder in various degres, including 1st." Said Attorney Mark VanRyen. If convicted Albin can face life imprisonment or execution by haning. Patients can face anywhere from 5-20 years in prision and a life time commutment service to Child Homes. Non will face execution. The Grand Jury will be selected today and trial will begin on Monday.

Official Statement

The Theocratic Republic of the Beatus, applauds this action. We are glad to see that in Alborio criminals are prosecuted. We are also appalled at Mr. ,he does not deserve the title of doctor after what he did, Mr. Joseph R. Albin's actions. He is a doctor, and his job is to foster life, and prevent death, not inflict it. These murders are as bad as if he had walked into a preschool, and opened fire with an assault rifle.

Ralkovia would like to know if it may have a news crew watch the trial. Ralkovia is a strong opponent to abortion*. Ralkovia would like to show how heinous the crime is to its people. We congratulate Alborio for catching this murderer.



*unless the mothers was raped, the baby being born puts the mothers life in danger, or the baby has a deadly genetic disease

The Binarian Empire demands that Dr. Joseph R. Albin be released, along with all of his patients. All charges filed against them will be dropped. We can stress how arachic the laws prohibiting abortion are. A child is simplely a parasite that feeds off its host for 9 months before being born. To declare abortion to be murder is ridiculous. You clearly have a problem that can be solved by school taught sex ed, and schools issueing condoms and other forms of birth control. The good Doctor and his clients will be granted refugee status and Binarian citizenship. If you refuse to drop the charges, you will face a blockade of your shipping, both air, ground, and sea.

-Binarian Department of Cultural Imperialism

The Kiravian Empire applauds the capture of this murderer. Yes, we say murderer, and hope that the Alborio justice system gives him what he deserves for extinguishing innocent lives.

If Dr. Alban is given a prison sentance, we would gladly invite him to serve in our penal colony of Ichunga, if that is legally acceptable.

talwari supports the doctor's immediate execution.

talwari supports the doctor's immediate execution.

We wish to open trade relations with Talwari.

The Binarian Empire demands that Dr. Joseph R. Albin be released, along with all of his patients. All charges filed against them will be dropped. We can stress how arachic the laws prohibiting abortion are. A child is simplely a parasite that feeds off its host for 9 months before being born. To declare abortion to be murder is ridiculous. You clearly have a problem that can be solved by school taught sex ed, and schools issueing condoms and other forms of birth control. The good Doctor and his clients will be granted refugee status and Binarian citizenship. If you refuse to drop the charges, you will face a blockade of your shipping, both air, ground, and sea.

-Binarian Department of Cultural Imperialism

Official Statement

Binaria has no reason to get involved in the workings of other nations governments. They have the right to issue whatever laws they like, and as it does not affect your citizens, than you have no reason to get involved. You are attempting to interfere with the Sovereignty of another nation. If attack any Beatusian ships, trucks or aircraft attempting to enter Alborio, it will be deemed an act of war, and retaliation will be made. We will not accept your nation interfering in the business of another, sovereign nation. We hope that this can all be worked out diplomatically, and offer neutral territory for a meeting between Binaria, and Alborio leaders to hopefully find a peaceful resolution to this situation.

We support Alborio to the fullest. We oppose abortion as well and other nations should to. Or at least respect the soveringty of nations that chose prevent the slaying of unborn children.

We also support Alborio. Aborntist are murders comparable to pedofiles. Whatever his punishment maybe, it will never be harsh enough for his crimes he commited.

Aimless von Strangaild, High leader of Zackaroth

We support Alborio to the fullest. We oppose abortion as well and other nations should to. Or at least respect the soveringty of nations that chose prevent the slaying of unborn children.

We wish to open trade relations with Motokata and Zackaroth as well.

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Kiravian Empire

Permissim Astrav Subleucim

Imperial Secriat of State

Interventionary Declarations Office

In response to agressive actions threatened towards the right-minded nation of Alborio, consisting of aerial, maritime, and land blockade, fears have been raised within the Imperial government that the situation might escalate. As such, we formally place the Holy Republic of Alborio under the protection of the Kiravian Empire. Any harm brought to Alborian persons or means of transport shall be responded to in full by KE action.

We support Alborio to the fullest. We oppose abortion as well and other nations should to. Or at least respect the soveringty of nations that chose prevent the slaying of unborn children.

OOC: A child is not a child until it is born. An "unborn" child is an oxymorron.


Official Statement

Binaria has no reason to get involved in the workings of other nations governments. They have the right to issue whatever laws they like, and as it does not affect your citizens, than you have no reason to get involved. You are attempting to interfere with the Sovereignty of another nation. If attack any Beatusian ships, trucks or aircraft attempting to enter Alborio, it will be deemed an act of war, and retaliation will be made. We will not accept your nation interfering in the business of another, sovereign nation. We hope that this can all be worked out diplomatically, and offer neutral territory for a meeting between Binaria, and Alborio leaders to hopefully find a peaceful resolution to this situation.

We feel that anyone that seeks to remove a bad choice they made is deemed a criminal and a murderer, is no better than refusing people that get drunk and fall down stairs and break their legs and refusing them treatment on the grounds that it is not their place to intervene. The only diplomatic option in this case would be to drop the charges, and legalize abortion.

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TO: [Open Communique]
FROM: Alexander Nevskij, Minister of Foreign Affairs, The World Soviet Party

The government of The World Soviet Party would like to express it's support for the Binarian Empire, surely, the Alborian people are entitled the right to choose what's best for them and their bodies, and the fact that an ignorant majority does not like this is not enough to conceal the fact that it's necessary, and that those wanting to have abortions should be allowed to.

Signed,
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Alexander Nevskij, Minister of Foreign Affairs, The World Soviet Party.

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TO: [Open Communique]
FROM: Alexander Nevskij, Minister of Foreign Affairs, The World Soviet Party

The government of The World Soviet Party would like to express it's support for the Binarian Empire, surely, the Alborian people are entitled the right to choose what's best for them and their bodies, and the fact that an ignorant majority does not like this is not enough to conceal the fact that it's necessary, and that those wanting to have abortions should be allowed to.

Signed,
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Alexander Nevskij, Minister of Foreign Affairs, The World Soviet Party.

The Binarian Empire thanks the filthy, commie, bastards for their support in this matter. We hope we can count on their support in our blockade and political pressure.

While it pains me beyond measure, beyond my capablilty to adequately express...

We, the people of the Domination of Tanaara, do agree with the Binarian Empire and The World Soviet Party.

Abortion is each individual woman's right, to chose or not. No one has the right to chose for the woman, nor legislated against it, thus depriving roughly have a nations population of said inherent right.

From the Hand of the Archon,

Robert Ryan Fortier ~ Hexx

(shudders and goes to wash his mouth out with some vodka. Having to agree with not only one of those two, but both of an offense against sanity.)

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Office of Telegraphics
52nd Floor
Diplomitas Building

Sir

The Magisterium wholly supports the nations of Binaria et al. We are infinitely surprised that the Kiravians, who normally appear to be a modern and distinguished nation, should hold such archaic and inane views such as this.

We demand the release of the Doctor Alban and his patients, and we hereby grant him and them immediate refugee status in any part of the empire.

The man is a bastion of civilisation, women's rights, and beacon of civil liberties. His release will save the government inevitable backlash.

Yours

Amelie Carpentier-St Claire
Magisteriate for Extra-Imperial Affairs

AP-Dr. Joseph R. Albin a Medical Comission honored doctor is in jail tonight after it was discovered he had been performing secret abortions in his country side office. Albin, 47 was a doctor of the people, who often traveled around the country, often to very rurual towns and farms to help anyone who needed it. When he wasn't traveling he was tending to patients with loving care in the Capital.

On Thrusday night a tip came into local police of New Hope that a shady clinic was potentially dealing medication out illegally. Upon inspection police walked in on a clinic of people waiting, mostly young teenage girls preparing for an abortion.

All the patients including Dr. Albin were arrested and taken to the state prision in the capital city. Charges are being filed against the patients as well as all past patients, but the National Attorney is preparing to bring charges against Albin. "He will be charged with 162 counts of Murder in various degres, including 1st." Said Attorney Mark VanRyen. If convicted Albin can face life imprisonment or execution by haning. Patients can face anywhere from 5-20 years in prision and a life time commutment service to Child Homes. Non will face execution. The Grand Jury will be selected today and trial will begin on Monday.

While we arrest murderers, we do not believe in "Capital Punishment"/Death Penalty. We share in the same policy as Ralkovia regarding the danger of the mother. We differ in that, regardless of the "legitimacy" of the conception, we make every effort to place the developing child once it leaves the womb to proper,loving, desiring parental enviroments, in the case that it can not be met, we have orphanages... It is not our place to say who should exist and who shouldn't. The very fact that it "needs to be terminated" otherwords acted upon to destroy/end testifies to the validity of a functioning/developing life. Not ot mention the change in the maternal body chemistry ... indicating that life development isn't just as we see it coming out the womb, and yet we whom charish all stages of life are called "archaic" ...

We also sterilize those who are repeat offenders on an individual consideration.

The Allied States of Vitoxenhafen is pleased to be informed of such sanity amid a time when it proclaims progress and advancement but insanity and hypocrisy pervades.

Official Statement

Saying that woman have the right to chose whether to have an abortion is like saying a serial killer has the right to kill his milkman, murder is murder. There is a choice, but abortion is not it. If a woman does not want to have a child, there are surgeries that can prevent it, and such surgeries are generally able to be undone, allowing for the woman to have children at a later time. This is a very viable option. You call banning the barbaric murder of a inocent living thing archaic? Yes, maybe you are right, what will be next, legalizing insurance fraud? It's the persons choice to make money of off a failing business right?

Official Statement

Saying that woman have the right to chose whether to have an abortion is like saying a serial killer has the right to kill his milkman, murder is murder. There is a choice, but abortion is not it. If a woman does not want to have a child, there are surgeries that can prevent it, and such surgeries are generally able to be undone, allowing for the woman to have children at a later time. This is a very viable option. You call banning the barbaric murder of a inocent living thing archaic? Yes, maybe you are right, what will be next, legalizing insurance fraud? It's the persons choice to make money of off a failing business right?

Statement of The Crown Government of Barronia

Incorrect. Abortion is not murder. Under the claim that abortion is murder, then antibiotics are murder. Cleaning agents are murder. What you are claiming is that the termination of a non-sentient cluster of cells is murder.

It's a wonder that you all don't still live in mud huts.

Official Statement from TSRT Government
"The Totalitarian State backs the Binarian Empire 100% in any endeavor too free the wrongfully imprisoned Doctor Joseph R. Albin. We in the event of a blockade, ariel and naval forces will be deployed in support of Binaria."
End Statement

I must agree with my counterparts in both the World Soviet Party, The Binary Empire of Binaria, the Island Empire of Pan-Arab Barronia, and the Dominion of Tanara. Abortion, while is the destruction of human embrio cells so that a child will not be given birth, it not a practice of murder. Murder is, as defined in the Waterford College Dictionary, the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law; in the Imperial Republic, special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder). In this case, an abortion is not a murder do to the fact a child embrio is not alive and thus cannot be killed.

Abortions are is a pratice conducted to stop the labour of birth give of a human child by destroying the unborn cells. It may consist of preventing another birth but not of murder, if it was to be labeled as murder than taking medicine to prevent a fever, taking antibiodics, and living is a murder because of the forementioned things involve getting rid of unborn cells. Labour is very painful and applies much stress upon the female body. All females come in different shapes and sizes and many cannot withstand the amount of self control and strength it takes to give birth. Furthermore, some humans are not fit for parenting and abortions are an alternative for death from a lack of care and orphanings.

You may argue that the person having the abortion done, then, should not have had the child; but to say such a thing would be, in the essence, saying that males and females should not have sex. If this was to happen the population would cease to continue growing and the death rate with raise. Slowly the population would wear thin and die out.

Only mindless theocrats and nations without democracy could say that abortions should be banned and are a cruel act because they need something to blame and cover up their horrible policies.

On a different note, we request that the Honoured Dr. Joseph R. Albin be released to Grestonian, Binarian, Tanaran, Soviet, or Barronian custody.

Thank you,
The Rt. Hon. Dr. Jude Hillenger
Minister of the Ministry of Health
Head Administrator of the Department of Medical Sciences

Can we leave the debating to General, and get moving with some RPing here?

Can we leave the debating to General, and get moving with some RPing here?

OOC: Well, technically it is diplomacy - we're each relaying the government's theory on abortion. It'll escalate soon, don't worry!

So I did spell escalate right...

Official Statement

Beatusian Shipping, by both ground, air, and sea, will continue, with military escort, to the nation of Alborio. This is not really about the abortion thing. The fact is your blockade, while aimed at Alborio, does not just affect Alborio, it affects every nation that trades with them. You are, in effect, punishing nations who have done nothing wrong, the Beatus being one of them. Any attempts to interfere with our trade will not be taken lightly. We assure you that we will do nothing to aide the nation of Alborio in any military endeavors, or attempt to interfere in any operation involving getting the Dr. out of that nation. If this does not satisfy you, than that is your problem.

To Whom it May Concern;-

The Democratic Oligarchy of Cruxium finds itself appauled by the archaic views and behaviours of Alborio. That it would deny the most basic of civil rights to its citizens is intolerable. As such, Cruxium finds itself in agreement with those who have already demanded the release of the Doctor who provided the abortions, as well as those who have sought them. Any failure to do so will result in appropriate action as deemed necessary by the House of Democracy.

It is greatly hoped that the nation of Alborio heeds the advice of its brother nations in this regard, and brings an end to the outlawing of abortion. Further, it is hoped by Cruxium that no further infringements upon the civil liberties of Alborio's citizenry shall occur.

Matthew Soloman,
Voice of Foreign Affairs,
Voice of Democracy, House of Democracy, Cruxium.

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Sir/Madam:

The people of Karshkovia have asked that I and the President impart to you their feelings on this; the matter of Dr. Alban. The people express their sympathy with the Honored Doctor and are disappointed in the Alborio peoples' decision to prosecute and imprison children.

Unlike other nations, we demand nothing and respect your peoples' right to form their own laws based on their own morals. We do wish to point out that the Alborio people should look at themselves in this matter and see how they are creating the 'criminals' and then punishing the 'criminals'.



Is it not the Alborio people that have public and cable/satellite delivered television shows that have casual sex content and are rated 'racy' to explicit?

Is it not the Alborio people that has multiple teenage magazines focused which have monthly articles on how to best sexually please the opposite sex?


Are there not billboard adds across Alborio that display women in lingerie in provocative positions?


Haven't the majority of Alborio-made Motion Pictures had at least one sexual scene included in them, if not multiple? Often the scripts show the main characters meeting, moving through the plot, and then having a sexual scene some time before the final curtain call.


Isn't it Alborio society that is promoting the guilty-free worry-free sexual relationship to their young people through the mass-media, but provide no serious counter-measure to this to help prevent teen pregnancy. Children are shown it's ok to give into their feelings and have no restraint, yet if they do and panic should they become pregnant, they are punished severely.


If the Alborio people are promoting this to their young people and do not see a reason to stop, then where are the health clinics providing 'morning-after' pills, contraceptives, implants to keep the pregnancy rate low? Where are the free adoption agencies to prevent young women from feeling they have no way out of this problem they are in? Where are the professional counselors to comfort these young people and show them the different options they DO have if they do not wish to keep the child?

Punishing these young people for seeking an abortion isn't going to prevent other young people in the future from seeking abortions. Teenager's and Young Adults in the heat of passion are not thinking of what may happen (pregnancy) or what they would do...they just are acting on guidance through the movies, books and magazines they have seen and the emotional state they are in. Also, if they become pregnant there should be no reason they would want to seek an abortion. The Alborio people should have public health programs designed to ease the stress of this major life-changing event so young women wouldn't feel their only option is abortion.

Perhaps programs that would promote "Every child a wanted child", so young women would want to keep their unborn and provide help so they would be able to. Again, perhaps having Government-funded or subsided adoption centers that would be willing and able to match an unwanted child with a family that would care for it, and make these centers seem friendly, open and pleasant to visit so young people would know where to go and not feel ashamed to talk with the centers. Have counselors in those centers to work with the young women and men together to help prevent this from occurring in the future.

Even secondary education/high school courses on parenting and learning what exactly the responsibilities would be to take care of and provide for a new-born. This would also act as a deterrent for young people. We believe this would help prevent the Kiravian from having to punish their own children because of the lack of support and guidance they so desperately need.

The Karshkovian people have used these programs with great success. Our teenage and un-married pregnancies went down nearly 92% five years from the time these programs became fully functional. These numbers are still slowly declining yet today. While we allow abortions in Karshkovia, we do point out it is a rare event; usually stemming from either a defect known to be life threatening for the child well before the unborn would come to term or due to knowledge that the pregnancy would be life-threatening to the mother. It is very rare that abortions stemming from a rape are preformed as our society sees the child as a blessing to counter the curse of how the child was conceived. Abortions of convenience are nearly unheard of. The Karshkovian people would be happy to help the people of Alborio to design and implement the same such programs, thus eliminating the need for any more heart-break such as these convictions will bring to your people.



Signed

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Prime Minister Valentina Borofsky


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The United States of Kinstantia
Office of the President of the United States

We cannot agree with the current situation in Alborio. While each nation has the right to create laws that reflect the morals of their people, we cannot understand why something so basic of a right, such as abortion, carries such a high criminal cost. It is the right of every woman to decide what happens with her body.

We ask to send news crews from KBS to report on the trial. We also ask that Alborio open the trial up to International Observers to make sure the trial is as fair as possible under the laws of Alborio.

The United States of Kinstantia hopes that Alborio will release the doctor and all of the patients unjustly arrested.

Signed,

Samantha Parker,
President of the United States of Kinstantia

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OPEN LETTER TO THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD

To Whom It May Concern:

As the President of Karshkovia, I, Vladimir Rachenko, have a sworn duty to carry out the wishes of my people. The people of Karshkovia have swarmed the telephone lines, e-mail servers, and physical mailboxes of the Peoples' Palace in response to the happenings surrounding the decision of multiple nations to blockade the country of Alborio.

While the people have stated they do not support or condone the prosecution of children for their choice to have abortions, Karshkovians overwhelmingly respect the right of the Alborio people to create their own rule of law and to enforce it as they see fit.

In this, I have authorized economic aid in the form of non-military supplies to the nation of Alborio totaling to a sum of $300 Billion USD should this ill-advised blockade proceed.

I also, as a caring leader, wish to ask the other nations of this great world who see fit to place a blockade around Alborio, is this small incident worth the great time and expense you would incur to create this blockade? Is this incident worth putting the lives of your own men and women at risk? Do you believe this issue is worth the loss of even one of your countrymen?

It seems that the Alborio people are the ones wishing to preserve the life of all people. It also seems that, per their action and words, the leaders of these other nations wish do not seek preserving human life. Why resort to military strength, when trying to work with the Alborio people to prevent this from happening again should be the first option to take. Why do you lead the world to believe that your first and only form of diplomacy is the 'rattling of your saber' or 'swinging of the axe' when something does not please you?

Also remember that this blockade would damage the industries and jobs of millions of other people in other nations. Some of those nations could be your allies. Some of those nations could be a 'middle-man' for goods you require. The fact is, this action is not in the best interest of anyone involved. There is nothing gained in this, nor would this action change the thinking of the common Alborio citizen. If anything, this action would well up support for this law, not drive the citizens to abolish it. This law is made based on the moral fiber of the Alborio citizens. You can not force a people to change their morals by the barrel of a gun.

Please think on these words and reconsider your potential actions. Why risk a potential 'police action' over something so small, which could easily be approached by other means?


Signed

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President Vladimir Radchenko
Republic of Karshkovia


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OOC: These are various messages from various people, not necessarily the views of the Government of the United Kingdom of Brutland and Norden.

(message from the Royal Nord-Brutlandese Medical Association)

Greetings!

News of the situation in Alborio had reached us. Our position is that regardless of whether elective termination of pregnancy ("abortion") is right or wrong, accepted or not, Dr. Joseph R. Albin broke the law and must face the consequences of his actions. We do however, plead with the government of Alborio to commute a possible death sentence into a life sentence, and, if possible, reduce the sentences for his patients.

Thank you.
Dr. Pierro Giustino l'A. di Calamandrana, M.D.
Presidetto, Assosazione Reala Nordèbrutelliense Medica
President, Royal Nord-Brutlandese Medical Association

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If you hadn't heard of it, some nation is blockading the nation of Alborio for justly punishing a person to break the law. If that doesn't reek of international bullying, I don't know what. It's fitting in a twisted way, because these same nation(s) promoting the murder of the innocents also would like to murder an entire nation.

Another nation also said, "Only mindless theocrats and nations without democracy could say that abortions should be banned and are a cruel act because they need something to blame and cover up their horrible policies." Really? Show me that Brutland and Norden is not a democracy. Show me where theocrats rule this beloved nation of ours.

Brutland and Norden rejected abortion not once, not twice, but four times in various referenda: 1966, 1978, 1990, 2002. The people of Brutland and Norden brought down governments that sought to force down their throats the barbaric practice of abortion (remember Borio Drasella (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13375654&postcount=17)?). Various polls suggested that the people of Brutland and Norden believe that life starts at conception, and that the unborn has rights accorded to it, including, the right to life. Also, this so-called "civil liberty" had already been ruled unconstitutional (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13833050#post13833050). Brutland and Norden does not permit this "liberty" to massacre selectively based on age, and rightfully so.

The nation of Alborio is being threatened by bloodlusty nations for doing the right thing. Alborio and like minded-nations should stand up to these threats. We must not let this culture of death devour another nation, we must not let another generation fall victim to another mass prolicide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolicide).
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However barbaric the "esteemed doctor" seems to be, we do not agree to a death sentence. The irony of a self-labeled "pro-life" nation killing an individual just because he committed a mass murder burns. And it is certainly laughable, to say the least.
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-- Dr. Abdulkabir Liccomelli, PhD
Chairperson, the Nord-Brutlandese Interreligious Council
President, Pro-Life Brutland and Norden
writing in the newspaper La Brutelliense

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Dr. Joseph R. Albin is a respected doctor in the nation of Alborio. He visits far-flung rural areas in order to provide health care for the people, and is well known for loving care in treating patients. He, too, provides an invaluable service to women - terminating unwanted pregnancies, providing women with the choice and the care that is inherently their right. But for that, he is in jail now.

Like Brutland and Norden, Alborio continues to deny women their reproductive rights with their archaic and oppressive restrictions on abortion. Blatantly suppressing a woman's right to choose, the governments force women to carry unwanted parasitic fetuses to term, destroying their lives and fueling further the ticking population bomb.
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This systematic oppression of women must be stopped, not just in Alborio or in Brutland and Norden, but in all nations clinging to the increasingly untenable relics of the past. We call upon civilized nations to help Dr. Albin in his plight.
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-- "Another anti-choice nation imprisons a respected doctor" by Gianella Cavalcanti in Cardinovo di la Lego Votottu Donna Nordèbrutelliense

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Stoklomolvi Commissariat of State
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Vladistov, Stoklomolvi

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To: [OPEN COMMUNIQUÉ]
Subject: General Statement

It is with great displeasure that we announce our agreement with Binaria in that the outlawing of abortion is an archaic, obsolete practice that has no place in modern society. A foetus is but a creation of a male and a female, and is nothing more than a large collection of insentient foetal cells. There is no sentient life within this group, and until the child is born it is a part of the mother; should the mother wish to remove the parasite from her body, it is her right to do so.

However, in recognising this, we do not condone the blockade of a nation for disallowing abortion. Doing so would be violating the sovereignty of said nation, and this sovereignty is the right of the nations to possess. What the nation does should not be the matter of other nations unless it has profound impact on international affairs, which abortion does not.

Why fuss over abortion on the international scale? We do not need petty squabbling over such a topic.

Regards,
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Grigor Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich
Civilian Management
Commissar of Foreign Affairs

Signed,
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Alexei Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich
The Commissar of Stoklomolvi

(My thank you all for the comments, I wish I could respond to all of them but that would take too much time.)


The Holy Government of Alobrio would like to thank all those that supported, including Kirav. Alborio is generally a peaceful nation but we don't condone a blockade of our trading routs. (ooc: landlocked btw) You are violating our national sovereignty and the health and safety of our people. Albin is a criminal of law, he must face the consequences for breaking law. His sentence will be up to the judge. If he were a foreigner we would very likely consider expelling him from Alborio but that is not the case. The trial will be open to the public media, but we must inform all press this:

There is to be no smoking, drinking, foul language or presentation of foul and obscene material. You will be expected to abide by the nation's laws like any other visitor. Failure to do so will result in your visa being revoked and you being sent back to your home country.

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Dear Madam,

The answer to all your questions are listed:




* Is it not the Alborio people that have public and cable/satellite delivered television shows that have casual sex content and are rated 'racy' to explicit?

The answer is no. Alborio only imports and allows the transmission of holsome programing and spiritually sound minded. Casual sex is most certainly NOT in any of these programs. Courtship and dating are, but these programs always keep it in a very tasteful manner. 33% of home don't even have electricity, and 90% don't have computers.


* Is it not the Alborio people that has multiple teenage magazines focused which have monthly articles on how to best sexually please the opposite sex?

This is true yes, but again this is done in proper ways. These magazines also include scripture.

* Are there not billboard adds across Alborio that display women in lingerie in provocative positions?

While Women's Lingerie can be advertised it's only advertised for means comfort, style etc. Sexuality is not an advertising method. And few billboards are allowed to display lingerie ads.

* Haven't the majority of Alborio-made Motion Pictures had at least one sexual scene included in them, if not multiple? Often the scripts show the main characters meeting, moving through the plot, and then having a sexual scene some time before the final curtain call.

Certainly not. Alborio's Motion Picture Certificate Board maintains strict standards. Anything too racy is given a I-M (Immoral) rating and is given almost no media attention. Less than 2% percent of motion pictures contain such material. Those that do and don't have I-M rating always show the characters meeting an untimely death as their punishment of sin.

* Isn't it Alborio society that is promoting the guilty-free worry-free sexual relationship to their young people through the mass-media, but provide no serious counter-measure to this to help prevent teen pregnancy. Children are shown it's ok to give into their feelings and have no restraint, yet if they do and panic should they become pregnant, they are punished severely. NO! Alborio believes strongly in the sanctity of marriage. Abstinence and Sin-free lifestyle are the only promoted materials. But when young people sin, they must face that sin.


If the Alborio people are promoting this to their young people and do not see a reason to stop, then where are the health clinics providing 'morning-after' pills, contraceptives, implants to keep the pregnancy rate low? Where are the free adoption agencies to prevent young women from feeling they have no way out of this problem they are in? Where are the professional counselors to comfort these young people and show them the different options they DO have if they do not wish to keep the child? The Morning After pill is banned in Alborio. Contraceptives are only for parents and/or married couples in steady relationships who can not afford at present or do not desire children right away. Alborio has many Safe Houses for children to be placed in along with a Pastor to give guidance. The children are baptized, fed, clothed, sheltered and cared for. But we don't believe in keeping our birthrate low. "Go forth ye and replenish the Earth" as described in the book of Genesis has been the policy.

Punishing these young people for seeking an abortion isn't going to prevent other young people in the future from seeking abortions. Teenager's and Young Adults in the heat of passion are not thinking of what may happen (pregnancy) or what they would do...they just are acting on guidance through the movies, books and magazines they have seen and the emotional state they are in. Also, if they become pregnant there should be no reason they would want to seek an abortion. The Alborio people should have public health programs designed to ease the stress of this major life-changing event so young women wouldn't feel their only option is abortion.

If young people wish to ascend to the Kingdom of Heaven and meet God in all his glory they shall most certainly stay away from the sin of sex before marriage and abortion.

Perhaps programs that would promote "Every child a wanted child", so young women would want to keep their unborn and provide help so they would be able to. Again, perhaps having Government-funded or subsided adoption centers that would be willing and able to match an unwanted child with a family that would care for it, and make these centers seem friendly, open and pleasant to visit so young people would know where to go and not feel ashamed to talk with the centers. Have counselors in those centers to work with the young women and men together to help prevent this from occurring in the future.

Schools and other programs always promote couples nights to help first time parents.

Even secondary education/high school courses on parenting and learning what exactly the responsibilities would be to take care of and provide for a new-born. This would also act as a deterrent for young people. We believe this would help prevent the Kiravian from having to punish their own children because of the lack of support and guidance they so desperately need.

Of course Alborio teaches and prepares women for Motherhood.

From here on after, all medical supplies exported from within the Imperial Republic to Alborio will cease to be shipped and shall be put to use towards medical facilities within Greston. The Imperial Republic cannot condone the archiac ideals of a nation lacking any form of basic civil rights and freedom.

The insufficient amount of independence for the citizens of Alborio is disquieting to say the least. A female should be allowed to decide if she shall partake in intercourse, and furthermore she should be allowed to choose if she shall deliver the foetus growing inside her or not.

After researching more upon the culture of this theocratic nation we have come to understand that casual sex is frowned upon and that it is defined as a sin. If so, then a majority of all civilians finding homage in Alborio will find their promise hour coming sooner than sought out.

If affinity is such a horrible event then how does the Alborio culture and population grow? The current population must be dwindling due to the deficiency of birth, which oddly ties into the fact that couples are not allowed to have sex without commiting a sin.

Furthermore, what is a sin for an average Alborian? As defined in the Waterford College Dictionary sin is any act regarded as such a transgression, esp. a willful or deliberate violation of some religious or moral principle. Not once in the Holy Bible does it state that intercourse is sinful, nor does the Bible state that sex can be punished with death.

With that, I come to the conclusion that restrictions should be made on trade with this archaic nation, any government that refuses basic civil rights as such should be ignored and treated the way their citizens are.

Any government that could establish policies that condone the abolishment of liberty for its people is a nation should not be dealt with as if it were a modern nation but more of a third world country which is on the brink of destruction by its own will. In this case, we would not need to think that way being as they already are.

Thank you,
The Rt. Hon. Dr. Jude Hillenger
Minister of the Ministry of Health
Head Administrator of the Department of Medical Sciences

Alborio has nothing to fear from the scaremongering nations that threaten it's peaceful borders. Motokata and others will most certainly trade any and everything Alborio needs. Even if we drop it in by the air Alborio shall continue to recive aid. Nations should put aside whether or not they think abortion is wrong and just remember national sovereignty, the same sovereignty you all would want us to respect. Also if it is the will of the people that Abortion be a crime than it is that will that should be respected.

From here on after, all medical supplies exported from within the Imperial Republic to Alborio will cease to be shipped and shall be put to use towards medical facilities within Greston. The Imperial Republic cannot condone the archiac ideals of a nation lacking any form of basic civil rights and freedom.

The insufficient amount of independence for the citizens of Alborio is disquieting to say the least. A female should be allowed to decide if she shall partake in intercourse, and furthermore she should be allowed to choose if she shall deliver the foetus growing inside her or not.

After researching more upon the culture of this theocratic nation we have come to understand that casual sex is frowned upon and that it is defined as a sin. If so, then a majority of all civilians finding homage in Alborio will find their promise hour coming sooner than sought out.

If affinity is such a horrible event then how does the Alborio culture and population grow? The current population must be dwindling due to the deficiency of birth, which oddly ties into the fact that couples are not allowed to have sex without commiting a sin.

Furthermore, what is a sin for an average Alborian? As defined in the Waterford College Dictionary sin is any act regarded as such a transgression, esp. a willful or deliberate violation of some religious or moral principle. Not once in the Holy Bible does it state that intercourse is sinful, nor does the Bible state that sex can be punished with death.

With that, I come to the conclusion that restrictions should be made on trade with this archaic nation, any government that refuses basic civil rights as such should be ignored and treated the way their citizens are.

Any government that could establish policies that condone the abolishment of liberty for its people is a nation should not be dealt with as if it were a modern nation but more of a third world country which is on the brink of destruction by its own will. In this case, we would not need to think that way being as they already are.

Thank you,
The Rt. Hon. Dr. Jude Hillenger
Minister of the Ministry of Health
Head Administrator of the Department of Medical Sciences

You have mistaken us for a celebate society. We are not celbate, couples who have taken the oath of marriage and have been sealed in the House of God by a Man of God most certianly can have sex and bring about young souls of God into this world. It is because of that and because of the fact we have outlawed the henious murder of Aborition that Alborio's population remains in a steady state.

We say good for Alborio for being a Moral Majority in the time which everyone wants to deny powers of Divinity. And we point out to the New Greston Letters that Fornication is a sin described in the Holy Bible.

OOC: Err, guys...

A: There has been no blockade erected yet, especially given...
B: Alborio is landlocked.

The UIS says only this: It proves that the ideal of sovereignty that nations cling to only applies when they can march into foreign soil and slaughter everyone in sight because they don't share the same political agenda. AHSCA has it's own opinions on the matter but won't share. We can't do much to support Alborio as they are landlocked and we are rather poor our selves. But we give them our moral support and wish them the best.

This is very little fun at all.

**leaves thread**

Mount Shavano registers distress that a minor internal criminal affair has lead to an escalation of international tensions. It is the Front Range Republic's position that a blockade would be a disproportionate response to the situation, and in the event one is implemented strong consideration will be given to economic sanctions against the blockading country or countries.

Mount Shavano recognizes the support of Karshkovia and AHSCA in attempting to defuse tensions and prevent further escalation.

Official message from Conserative morality:
Although we condemn this action, you are a sovereign nation, and free to do as you wish. However! We would be more then happy to take him off of your hands, for free. In the end, the choice is yours.
President Numerius Arrius, voice of the people.

We wish to open trade relations with Talwari.

Talwari gladly accepts the invitation.

the fact remains that the doctor broke the law, and ought to be treated as such. If the punishment is death, he should be eexecuted as such.

Secret message to Alborio:

The sultan is willing to take the doctor in for punishment in Talwari quietly.

To Alborio

From the Commonwealth of Slakoth

Slakoth will happily take custody of the doctor and his patients. Since although abortion isn't pretty, sometimes it is needed, especially during medical complications, for example where the unborn babys life will be lost, and the birth would almost kill the mother as well in the process.
Slakoth Pleads with the nation of Alborio, to think of how many lives the Doctor has saved, since these women would have most probably tried to do the abortion their selves if professional help was not at hand.
We call for compassion and forgiveness, to let these people be freed, or at custody of these people to be given to a country that can give compassion and forgiveness.

ooc: Ok, now that the background comes out, I'm just going to back out of this thread. Sorry to have bothered you Alborio. I'm sure you are a good RPer and obviously you care enough about NS to stick around a few years, but I'm just going to bow out of this RP as I personally do not care to get into RP with fanatic religious nations. They just seem too one-sided and boring in my honest opinion since they do not wish to change or contemplate different ideas. Religious nations like this seem to be RPed as they are in the right because of their beliefs and everyone against that is in the wrong. Can't work religious nation diplomatically so I just tend to ignore them. I just see too many fanatical nations here, and IRL and since this is an escape I'd rather not wish to deal with them. Again, No offense meant towards Alborio or the others. Just my personal view.

[OOC: Please, keep OOC-only posts out ...]

The government of Adderon, whom I speak for, are displeased at this latest move by the Albonio Government. The execution of Doctor Joseph R. Albin would be a waste of human intelligance and a life's work. We ask the Albonion Government to have mercy upon him. We offer to pay compensation to the families effected by this man's crimes and take him into our custody. In our society he would be better suited and more accepted.

Give it some thought.

- President Christopher Blackoff
Office of the Presidency of the People's Republic of Adderon