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Greetings.

My nation is still expanding but we have few weapons. I wonder if anyone exports Swedish weapons. In particular AK5D and JAS 39 "Griffin".

What I am looking at to buy is.

Long term goal:
4,000,000 Multicam DBU's
4,000,000 M90 BDU
1,000,000 AK5D
1,000,000 Colt 1911 .45 ACP
5,000 AK4
5,000 KSP90
1,500 Strf. 90
1,500 Strv.122
500 Haubits 77 (FH77)
500 RobotSystem 23
250 JAS 39 Gripen
100 Saab 37 Thunderbolts (Double-Seated|For Training Purposes)
200 BMP-3

As you know I do not have enough money to buy all at one but I would like to arrange a deal over time.

Current:
Multicam BDUs: 0
M90 BDUs: 0
AK5D: 0
Colt 1911 .45ACP: 0
AK4: 0
KSP90: 0
Strf 90: 0
Strv 122: 0
Haubits 77: 0
Robot System 23: 0
JAS 39 "Griffin": 0
Saab 37 Thunderbolt: 0
BMP-3: 0

--Dominion President Daniel Winters
-Terra Novian Atlantis-

oOC: Seeing as your nation only has 7 million people, it would be impossible for you even to afford one of the items you have requested. Your military at this stage should only be made up of around a thousand or so soldiers.

OOC: Does a Uniform cost me 50000billion? As I said, OVER TIME. I can start by furfilling one of them and then I update. There is no way I could buy all at once. My military spending is only 5billion + IC my nation has drafted every single man and woman capable of defending my dominion so at least 3 million soldiers I have...

OOC: TNA, I would be remiss if I did not advise you that real world equipment is generally considered fair game. You can simply say that you have the required amounts of each.
You are only required to go through the whole IC purchase process when buying something from a storefront. If you'd be interested in kicking off a (brief) diplomatic roleplay, TG me and I will respond as soon as time permits. That may be one way to fulfill the BMP-3 requirement in this IC manner.

OOC: My army is stuck in the 60's and needs upgrades to get an upper hand against our enemy.

OOC- you really don't need all that stuff, and not in that quantitys. Even if you drafted every man and women you wouldn't get 3 million soldiers as your economy and your nation would collapse. If you have conscription think everyone between the ages of 18-20. Say maybee 200,000 soldiers tops. And even if you did need so many guns, your buying the wrong ones. Take the rifles your buying. There are better ones out there. For example i'm using the Steyr ACR, wich is (arguably) the best assault rifle in the world. If you wan't i'll sell you a hundred thousand of them at the price of an M4 rfile (can't get prices for Steyr ACR as their not in production). The basic data is bellow.

Calibre: 5.6 mm flechette
Action: Gas operated, rising breech
Overall length: mm
Barrel length: 540 mm
Weight: 3.23 kg w/o magazine
Rate of fire: rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 24 rounds

(link to image)

http://http://www.steyr-aug.com/acr1.gif

Most Generous offer but I would like to know the resistence in harsh enviroments such as blizzards and heavy snow

Unfortuantly the gun never got beyond advanced prototype stage, with about a hundred being made. If they ever did tests of such things they never relesed the results, thogh as it is made of metal and high quality platics i'd expect it to handle them reasonably. It's also light and compact due to it's design making it eaiser to carry round all day. It's also more acurate and has more penetrating power than pretty much anything else. I can't find the price for the M4 either, and if you can't i'll look at other rifles. And if you do purchase some I can deliver within a month as i've got enogth in storage for reservists to not even have to devout factory time, though i will then have to of course replace those rifles.

Most Generous offer but I would like to know the resistence in harsh enviroments such as blizzards and heavy snow

You would need preferably something like an AK-47 or its successors. Simple, rugged and reliable. Flechette doesn't fit with such features. If a RL gun, the AN-94 and the AK-107 are good options. Here an example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Finnish_Army

Official message from Conserative morality:
Although we cannot supply the weapons you have requested, we do have other substitutes, some of which may suit your purpose better such as the GUR-V4:
GUR-V4

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk294/Tombombadil9/GUR-V4.jpg

Range(Accurate to): 230 yards
Caliber: .223
Modes: Single shot (Semi-automatic 50 RPM), three-shot bursts (90 RPM), five-shot bursts(120RPM).
Length: 43.454 inches.
Magazine Capacity: 50 rounds
Weight (With magazine): 9.77 pounds.
Price: $755 USD

Both are heavier, less acuruate, less powerfull and not as reliable. The US army was looking for a replacement for the M4, and requested 100% superiority over it. The Steyr ACR recorder 98%, the same as the X-8.

You would need preferably something like an AK-47 or its successors. Simple, rugged and reliable. Flechette doesn't fit with such features. If a RL gun, the AN-94 and the AK-107 are good options. Here an example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_of_the_Finnish_Army

What about that Finnish AK clone.. Valmet, I think? they seem to work pretty good in their weather, kinda heavy though

Official message from Conserative morality:
Although we cannot supply the weapons you have requested, we do have other substitutes, some of which may suit your purpose better such as the GUR-V4:
GUR-V4

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk294/Tombombadil9/GUR-V4.jpg

Range(Accurate to): 230 yards
Caliber: .223
Modes: Single shot (Semi-automatic 50 RPM), three-shot bursts (90 RPM), five-shot bursts(120RPM).
Length: 43.454 inches.
Magazine Capacity: 50 rounds
Weight (With magazine): 9.77 pounds.
Price: $755 USD

lovin the picture

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Then its unfortunate that reality doesn't...

What is wrong with the AK5C?

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Many thanks! :D
Then its unfortunate that reality doesn't...

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OoC On:

The M4A1 averages around close to a thousand dollars, as referenced here (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m4.htm) in the deal between the company and the Army National Guard. (Look at Seventh Paragraph)

Just so you know.

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He meant your gun isn't realistic.

There isn't anything wrong with the AK5C. It's just that as a ford is not as good as a TVR or Ferari, the AK5C is not as good as lots of other things out there. Such as the Steyr ACR.

But I don't think a Steyr ACR performs well in harsh climates such as snow and mud

There isn't anything wrong with the AK5C. It's just that as a ford is not as good as a TVR or Ferari, the AK5C is not as good as lots of other things out there. Such as the Steyr ACR.

The ACR is the "Ferrari" of 1992. This (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=139) is the "Ferrari" of 2008, inspired by the ACR, and its price reflects this.

It can be purchased here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=541947

OOC:

Actually the Styer ACr while a ncie design does suffer from one major flaw: its ammo, it took the US army 3 seperate massive projects and 30 years to finally get it but fletechtte ammo is a bit of a dead end.

Terra Novian Atlantis:

The AK5C is a very nice weapon and definitely in the top end of 5.56mm rifles.

As Russkya mentioned it would be difficult to find a reputable Arms dealer to supply you with those exact Rl bits and bobs as most of us deal primarily in our own custom equippment and accept that any nation, if it chooses, should have the ability to domestically produce any bit of RL equipment.

Now I cna fully udnerstand your want to RP your nation as being a bit backwards but perhaps you might like to RP doign a deal with a nation/company (such as Crookfur Arms) providing you with the basic infrastructure and and knwoledge to produce exactly what equipment you desire.

I don't have precise data for that but the US military put all the guns they were testing through a thourogh process when looking for an M4 replacement, and the only major criticisms they had was that part of the guns underside heated up with continued use, risking slight burns if you arne't wearing gloves (you should be if your firing a gun) and that the shell casing are ejected at a speed wich might hurt someone slightly.

Range(Accurate to): 230 yards
Caliber: .223
Modes: Single shot (Semi-automatic 50 RPM), three-shot bursts (90 RPM), five-shot bursts(120RPM).
Length: 43.454 inches.
Magazine Capacity: 50 rounds
Weight (With magazine): 9.77 pounds.
Price: $755 USD


I may not know a fraction of what some of the other designers on NSD know, but I know enough to know that the GUR-V4 is unrealistic.


Going by the picture, the box ahead of the trigger is the clip is the magazine, correct?

If so, then your grip would be very uncomfortable for the user. Go with a pistol grip simmilar to the one on the M-16 or Ak 47. With a pistol grip, the angle is in a more natural angle for the hand.

The scope is too high up, and is far to thin. Make it a normal telescopic sight. and have it lower to the on rifle. If you mounted it directly on the handle, it would be fine, but the stand is horrid. If it gets knocked around in combat at all, it would either snap off, be bent out of shape, or you would have to re sight it in. And shooting a few rounds off, is not the best thing to do when your trying keep your position concealed. Laser pointers in a dusty or smoke filled enviroment, is like trying to take a line painting truck on the highway and not execpting to be followed. It'll give your postion away.

The bayonet would get in the way of iron sights when that flimsy little plastic thing you call a scope breaks off.

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The ACR is the "Ferrari" of 1992. This (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=139) is the "Ferrari" of 2008, inspired by the ACR, and its price reflects this.

It can be purchased here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=541947


I got to admit it's better. But then I could have picked the best bits of half a dozen guns and made a super gun. I prefer to route my nation in reality. Plus, your text says your new gun is heavier than the Steyr ACR - that was the soldiers (not the US armys) favourite thing about the gun - if your gonna have to carry a gun around all day, you want it to be light.

I may not know a fraction of what some of the other designers on NSD know, but I know enough to know that the GUR-V4 is unrealistic.


Going by the picture, the box ahead of the trigger is the clip is the magazine, correct?

If so, then your grip would be very uncomfortable for the user. Go with a pistol grip simmilar to the one on the M-16 or Ak 47. With a pistol grip, the angle is in a more natural angle for the hand.

The scope is too high up, and is far to thin. Make it a normal telescopic sight. and have it lower to the on rifle. If you mounted it directly on the handle, it would be fine, but the stand is horrid. If it gets knocked around in combat at all, it would either snap off, be bent out of shape, or you would have to re sight it in. And shooting a few rounds off, is not the best thing to do when your trying keep your position concealed. Laser pointers in a dusty or smoke filled enviroment, is like trying to take a line painting truck on the highway and not execpting to be followed. It'll give your postion away.

The bayonet would get in the way of iron sights when that flimsy little plastic thing you call a scope breaks off.
I'm not much with Paint, but I'll try to put that into my next picture of the gun. *Iz ashamed of poor drawing ability/lack of knowledge about guns*

Hi,

ICCD has a wide range of weapons, and can cater to your needs in operating of clones, depending on order numbers by tooling a factory. There are a number of gun enthusiasts who have the capacity to crank out about 1000 small arms peices a year. The Arms Hobbiest Assosiation would be the place to contact for a knockoff. For orders of over 100,000 peices a small factory could be set up for the purpose.


ICCD does have the AR-ai (Assault Rifle Model 11)

It is fully environmentally tested, it even encludes an openable trigger gaurd and dual sided ejection.

More details on the AR can be provided but it is a work of magic.

However for your needs ICCD would suggest order IMP's (machine pistols like an scorpion or UZI) since your defence would most likely be paramilitary and guerilla at your population level.

RPG's and explosive blocks would also be recommended.

Machine crossbows or sabot penatrators and concussion grenades

and mortars, and IED materials, chemical agents... and dispersal mechanisms such as mortar or RPG or LAW

body armour is also highly suggested. including thermal chain meshing.


AK variants are easily produced in ICCD since it was the original service assault of ICCD and various models are still stockpiled.

If you put in a bid for # and $ then I can let you know if the order can be filled.