NationStates Jolt Archive

"What a pathetic nation! Men wearing womens underwear for sport, and using guns that can't even kill armoured men!"

"Your Lordship the invasion should with anyluck boost our lucrative human body trade. If even 5% survive it would amount to a few Billion dollars, which should offset operational costs a little. The dead will be wonderful as feedstock baring biochemical traces."

" So you are recommending conventional arms for the brunt of the war? To improve the consumability of the dead?"

"Yes your lordship, atleast for the ones that surrender. The bystandards of the bombings won't be easily recoverable and will be of little use, so it does make sense to target the military infrastructure, then round the cattle up."

"Do they have anything that is worth protecting? A nice sculpture or attractive women?"

"Very little of note your Lordship they arn't nearly as inspired in life as Dia."

"And what does the PR think of all this?"

"The Republic opposes the war but recognizes your right to use imperial forces and those in the Casa who support the motion to attack. As always they are concerned about the pile up. We feel a vicious blitz against Zinaire may subdue allied resistence."

"Inside this chip is the initial battle plan Arch Duke Venson outlined for the attack. I won't speak of it, however, it seems reasonable the war should be won in little time, however the clean up may take some time."

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The Next Day battle plans were authorized and Zinaire would soon be in need of defending its external assets, as space, naval and air assets came under attack.

Dian Air forces and missle strikes were launched from the sea, at the same time black ops were unfolded from Dian cover agents attacking hydro facilities damns and other public works such as water treatment facilities. Also unsuspectingly 911 calls were placed to luer out officers to be gunned down in random towns and villages, just to create a little bit of impact.
Arson was also unleashed in various communities and treed areas. Phone and power lines severed. Government leaders moved to be assasinated in their homes, as well as other notable figure who may pose a threat in the resistence of the people of Zinaire.

Then the first air scirmishes were to unfold.

((OOC: Godmod, you can't RP the effects on his nation, and you cannot have your forces instantly teleport into his nation.))

To: Zaureus
From: The Grand World Order Office of Foreign Affairs

This is a direct violation of Zinaire's sovereignty. The Fascist Federation demands you cease this invasion, or we will subject your homeland to the full force of the GWO Armed Forces. We have enough manpower to completely wipe your population out without nuclear weaponry. Hell, we could probably accomplish the same using our Air Force alone.

You will cease this, or else your leader will be decapitated, and their head stuffed and mounted on a wall in the Spire.

OOC: It isn`t a godmode I never said what happened to him, only what I did, get it right.


That was launching an offensive, I listed no damages, or deaths.

OOC: I'm not sure what to say. You godmoded, this came totally out of the blue (did you pick me out of a hat or did you just figure there isn't enough room for two nation's that start with Z or these forums?), my military is almost half the size of your country (and despite what you say, we actually have a long itemized list of all out weapons, including the armor-piercing ones). So, I'm just going to ignore this until the godmoding goes away. If you want to RP honestly though, we'll be happy to crush you at any time.

((OOC: "Arson was unleashed" that means you RPed his houses getting burnt. Also, how did your troops magically just appear in their nation? They'd have to go through customs, checkpoints, et cetera. Respond to my post, pl0x))

To: The Grand World Order Office of Foreign Affairs

From: Zaureus
We are not aware of what you are refering to, could you be more specific, we have no knowledge of any activities ongoing in Zinaire, could you be so kind as to send intelligence reports to the Logothe`s Office so we can better determine what you are refering to.


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Meanwhile after the communique went through channels to and from Zaereus
``Militas, Launch a preemptive attack against GWO`s space assets and nuclear capacities immediately. You have full authority to introduce chemical and biological agents from Project Islet into GWO`s population.. send strike missles via long range bomber. Use wooden caskets and concrete laced with the agents for delivery from the upper atmosphere.``

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and so the second authorization was given --- biochemical warfare awaited GWO.

OOC: Also, just for lulz, allow me to point out the following:

1. In Zinaire, dialing 911 would get you the dispatcher for the government-run brothel service.
2. We don't use hydropower, it would make us look like hippies.
3. We don't have any "villages" or "towns" our smallest settlement has a couple million people.

OOC: PS it is very reasonabe for ESSI to have a few thousand agents in any given nation. Except for those very very secure like military nations that don't let foreigners in. Considering an absence of previous bad relations there is no reason to suppose my nation wouldn't be able to gain access to Zinaire. Since it was a "unsuspected attack" the stuff starts once things are in place, there is no need to RP a foil since my agents are skilled and would not be conducting noticable activities prior to the attack. They would have been breifed before they left, etc.. very clean operation. Although I'm not saying stuff was successful I'm just giving a broad base of the opeartions ongoing and Zinaire can pick and choose those that they would like to repsond to and RP the effects of.

Zaureus;13736376']OOC: PS it is very reasonabe for ESSI to have a few thousand agents in any given nation. Except for those very very secure like military nations that don't let foreigners in. Considering an absence of previous bad relations there is no reason to suppose my nation wouldn't be able to gain access to Zinaire.

OOC: If you had a few thousand agents in any given nation, you wouldn't have anyone in your own. Considering the lack of previous bad relations, one must also wonder why you attacked us.

OOC: Also, just for lulz, allow me to point out the following:

1. In Zinaire, dialing 911 would get you the dispatcher for the government-run brothel service.
2. We don't use hydropower, it would make us look like hippies.
3. We don't have any "villages" or "towns" our smallest settlement has a couple million people.

Do you have an emergency dispatch service that can be called by the population -- if so that is the equivlent (in varies from nation to nation but you know what I mean) also it would still be the smaller areas. It actually makes collatoral actions much easier - it would still be the smaller establishments (do note ICCD has huge population centers also..)

(in leui of an emergency response system you can just play it as actually calling the police station itself)

[QUOTE=The Grand World Order;13736316]((OOC: Godmod, you can't RP the effects on his nation, and you cannot have your forces instantly teleport into his nation.))

To: Zaureus
From: Communist Party of The People's Communist State of North Calaveras

We see your act of aggression as a threat to humanity itself, you will stand down your assault. Should you continue aggression against this nation, we will blunt your attack with our forces and deter you. No one likes war and as the leader of the World Proletariat Revolution we must intervine. For the sake of your people and lives of humanity end this before it goes to far.

OOC: If you had a few thousand agents in any given nation, you wouldn't have anyone in your own. Considering the lack of previous bad relations, one must also wonder why you attacked us.

No ICCD has a very large military, although by nations I mean "active" nations. It wouldn't be overly difficult to move cover agents to those with a predominant mindset.. just a note on operational capacity.. Read up on my nation through the link in my profile.

Zaureus;13736391']Do you have an emergency dispatch service that can be called by the population -- if so that is the equivlent (in varies from nation to nation but you know what I mean) also it would still be the smaller areas. It actually makes collatoral actions much easier - it would still be the smaller establishments (do note ICCD has huge population centers also..)

(in leui of an emergency response system you can just play it as actually calling the police station itself)

OOC: Well, we usually only hand the number out to the rich, but some difference. And you lost me after the dispatch thing. What are all these acronyms? ICCD? Is that you? You can't really have a huge population center when your entire country has five million people.

And I have a better idea, how about you still call the brothels and you can randomly kill prostitutes instead of policemen.

Zaureus;13736393']No ICCD has a very large military, although by nations I mean "active" nations. It wouldn't be overly difficult to move cover agents to those with a predominant mindset.. just a note on operational capacity.. Read up on my nation through the link in my profile.

I don't care how big your military is, your nation only has five million people. And honestly, half the things you say don't make sense.

Commrades we would never threaten humanity! We are brothers in Arms, do you forget your old friends Intracircumcordei?

We embrace this struggle, who shall we stop from menacing humanity.

Also accept the cigar and bottle of vodka I just had foreign affairs send you as a sincere sign of our cooperation with efforts to preserve humanity.

Most Honourbly,

Chairman Zaureus of ICCD.

I don't care how big your military is, your nation only has five million people. And honestly, half the things you say don't make sense.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=display_nation/nation=intracircumcordei

Tag - This is kind of odd his first thread and he attacks someone random, must be a cry for help.

POP 4.809 Billion
Look under WORLD for Intracircumcordei

My jolt forum account was detached, if you doubt this contact via Telegram and I'll respond.

Zaureus;13736404']Commrades we would never threaten humanity! We are brothers in Arms, do you forget your old friends Intracircumcordei?

We embrace this struggle, who shall we stop from menacing humanity.

Also accept the cigar and bottle of vodka I just had foreign affairs send you as a sincere sign of our cooperation with efforts to preserve humanity.

Most Honourbly,

Chairman Zaureus of ICCD.

To: Zaureus
From: Communist Party of The People's Communist State of North Calaveras


Chairmain Zaureus this is Premier Kash Wilson, leader of the Communist Party of North Calaveras. As a gesture of faith, don't do this. I will bring down my banner upon you if you threaten these people, stand down and join the greate World Proletariat Revolution!"

((OOC: You cannot afford to perform orbital strikes, because your nation cannot afford the satellites. And wooden caskets would burn up because of friction. Plus, specify which of the approximately 136 Provinces you're attacking. They're all over the world.))

To: Zaureus
From: The Grand World Order Office of Foreign Affairs

Don't play dumb with us. You're chance to avoid destruction by speaking to us has ended. You are now at the mercy of the GWO Federal Armed Forces.

Good bye.


Across the GWO, the order came out. The already mobilized military was heading out for yet another foreign land. This time, it was a piddling pool of a mere five million citizens. 3.5 million GWO troops, ranging from basic Army personnel to Marines, Federal Guardsmen, and S.T.F. Agents were being loaded onto cargo ships. The cargo and other non-combat ships were to be escorted by the FWS Heaven's Stairway, a Super Dreadnought that had served many times before. Of course, this wasn't the only combat ship in the fleet. 15 Frigates, two Anti-Air Destroyers, 10 Destroyers, 12 Anti-Ship Submarines, three Nuclear Supercarriers, 20 Cruisers, and 230 Marine Attacks Boats were within the fleet. The fleet began its journey to Zaureus...

Tag - This is kind of odd his first thread and he attacks someone random, must be a cry for help.

It's not random. I made an OOC comment about how he can't sell more people as slaves than he has and apparently that's grounds for war.

OOC: Well, we usually only hand the number out to the rich, but some difference. And you lost me after the dispatch thing. What are all these acronyms? ICCD? Is that you? You can't really have a huge population center when your entire country has five million people.

And I have a better idea, how about you still call the brothels and you can randomly kill prostitutes instead of policemen.

Don't be inane, of course it would be emergency response that would be reached. Although if you do only give out the number to THE RICH then that is a whole different matter. That is if it police services arn't available to the general public.

Zaureus;13736416']Don't be inane, of course it would be emergency response that would be reached. Although if you do only give out the number to THE RICH then that is a whole different matter.

OCC: what is your goverment type?

It's not random. I made an OOC comment about how he can't sell more people as slaves than he has and apparently that's grounds for war.

I did not declare war in that thread. (actually ICCD hasn't officially declared war yet......in character)

Zinaire is a fascist Military State!

OOC: No, actually you would not reach emergency response if you dialed 911– well, you would if the emergency was that you were losing blood flow to 98% of your body.

NC, we're a republic (official WA category is corporate bordello) but the pro-business people in power aren't very nice to the poor.

OOC: They'll be a lot nicer to them when they are dead!!

Zaureus;13736420']I did not declare war in that thread. (actually ICCD hasn't officially declared war yet......in character)

Zinaire is a fascist Military State!

OOC: You didn't declare war, but you told us to expect some jets in a week.

And we're pretty un-fascist and un-military. You would know that if you didn't use your skull to store Circus Peanuts.

OOC: No, actually you would not reach emergency response if you dialed 911– well, you would if the emergency was that you were losing blood flow to 98% of your body.

NC, we're a republic (official WA category is corporate bordello) but the pro-business people in power aren't very nice to the poor.

To: Zinaire
From: Communist Party of The People's Communist State of North Calaveras

We will defend you against the barbarians that threaten you. We ask if you need any aid in the form of military, medical, or food do you concur. The People of North Calaveras strive to defend the weak from the tyrants of earth. But with this help must come at a price, in the form of some manipulation of your goverment, you must join the World Proletariat Revolution.

((OOC: Who cares why he is attacking? Also, you didn't mention your whole ICCD thing when you started the thread, thus, it is not allowed to be brought into the RP. Too late, in other words.

Also, I'm a Fascist (National Socialist to be exact) in RL, and I can assure you, Zinaire is nowhere near Fascism.))

To: Zaureus
From: Communist Party of The People's Communist State of North Calaveras


Chairmain Zaureus this is Premier Kash Wilson, leader of the Communist Party of North Calaveras. As a gesture of faith, don't do this. I will bring down my banner upon you if you threaten these people, stand down and join the greate World Proletariat Revolution!"

Greetings Premier Kash Wilson,
Who have we threatened? Do you not like Cigars? Marijuna? Coco? What do you prefer to smoke?

Great confusion undertakes me, -- would you so kindly be specific as to what you are refering to, I am bewildered, Comrade?

((OOC: You cannot afford to perform orbital strikes, because your nation cannot afford the satellites. And wooden caskets would burn up because of friction. Plus, specify which of the approximately 136 Provinces you're attacking. They're all over the world.))

To: Zaureus
From: The Grand World Order Office of Foreign Affairs

Don't play dumb with us. You're chance to avoid destruction by speaking to us has ended. You are now at the mercy of the GWO Federal Armed Forces.

Good bye.


Across the GWO, the order came out. The already mobilized military was heading out for yet another foreign land. This time, it was a piddling pool of a mere five million citizens. 3.5 million GWO troops, ranging from basic Army personnel to Marines, Federal Guardsmen, and S.T.F. Agents were being loaded onto cargo ships. The cargo and other non-combat ships were to be escorted by the FWS Heaven's Stairway, a Super Dreadnought that had served many times before. Of course, this wasn't the only combat ship in the fleet. 15 Frigates, two Anti-Air Destroyers, 10 Destroyers, 12 Anti-Ship Submarines, three Nuclear Supercarriers, 20 Cruisers, and 230 Marine Attacks Boats were within the fleet. The fleet began its journey to Zaureus...


OOC: Dude ICCD has a multi trillion dollar defence budget.

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IC:

Honestly Send your reports to us, there may be a coup or a Duke acting on their own, it would not be new, Each commander in ICCD's Casa Militar may conduct their own operations as they see fit. While I very much have oversight, I am not always aware of what they are doing. So do send these intelligence reports to us for us to analyze to get a better idea of what is ongoing.

Thankyou Sir.

Zaureus;13736436']Dude ICCD has a multi trillion dollar defence budget.

OOC: Dude, we're not talking about the ICCD, we're talking about wee little Zaureus.

OOC: In regards to which provinces, it would be the more populace ones that would be heaviest targetted, however all "common land masses" would be attacked on proportion of the population.

So if there is a bunch of proviences together.. then they may only see one area of that land mass attack, while small islands would be overlooked completely unless they had a very high population or strategic concentration.

((OOC: You didn't state you were ICCD when you first attacked Zinaire, therefore, you cannot use the stats of ICCD for Zaureus.))

OOC: Dude, we're not talking about the ICCD, we're talking about wee little Zaureus.

OOC: Zaureus is a person. I'm using this account due to my other jolt account being locked out right now.. just disregard the zaureus nation thing.. Zaureus is the leader of most of the government of ICCD right now (for the state apparatus, rather than the most powerful legislative political arms)

ICCD is weird in that it has two systems running at the same time.. a people's republic and an "Imperial System" the people's republic has oversight, however the Imperial System is effectively the material government while the republic serves more fundamental functions of oversight.


You can consider that population his personal supporters.. however he yeilds political influence within ICCD as a whole.

[OOC: This thread is failure. Zaureus, if you truly are ICCD, then use that account to telegram Zinaire, GWO, NC, and myself detailing as such.]

((OOC: You didn't state you were ICCD when you first attacked Zinaire, therefore, you cannot use the stats of ICCD for Zaureus.))
Nonsense.

[OOC: This thread is failure. Zaureus, if you truly are ICCD, then use that account to telegram Zinaire, GWO, NC, and myself detailing as such.]
OK dokey.. it was the detractors and rules lawyers who tore it down.. TG upcoming.

Zaureus;13736445']OOC: Zaureus is a person. I'm using this account due to my other jolt account being locked out right now.. just disregard the zaureus nation thing.. Zaureus is the leader of most of the government of ICCD right now (for the state apparatus, rather than the most powerful legislative political arms)

ICCD is weird in that it has two systems running at the same time.. a people's republic and an "Imperial System" the people's republic has oversight, however the Imperial System is effectively the material government while the republic serves more fundamental functions of oversight.


You can consider that population his personal supporters.. however he yeilds political influence within ICCD as a whole.

OOC: So, basically your other account got banned so you created this one to go around and ICly handle OOC grudges?

OOC: Just a point of interest, if everything you've said so far is true, doesn't the title of this thread imply that your leader fellow is the only one doing the attacking?

OOC: So, basically your other account got banned so you created this one to go around and ICly handle OOC grudges?

OOC: No, it wasn't a ban.

The account was detached and jolt isn't mailing out my password so I can't log in. I"m not using multiple accounts, the other account is not active currently which is why I started up this account until my old account is restored if so.

PS if you have any doubts TG Intracircumcordei and can you keep this post to IC stuff.

OOC: Just a point of interest, if everything you've said so far is true, doesn't the title of this thread imply that your leader fellow is the only one doing the attacking?


OOC: no, just leading it. But his position commands emmense authority. Bob run home?

[OOC: So he is ICCD. You still can't just suddenly jump in and claim you have people all over Zinaire without giving him any chance to intercept them.]

[OOC: So he is ICCD. You still can't just suddenly jump in and claim you have people all over Zinaire without giving him any chance to intercept them.]

OOC: Which we probably would, considering the heightened security on account of the Interimo Crisis.

To: Zinaire
From: Communist Party of The People's Communist State of North Calaveras

We will defend you against the barbarians that threaten you. We ask if you need any aid in the form of military, medical, or food do you concur. The People of North Calaveras strive to defend the weak from the tyrants of earth. But with this help must come at a price, in the form of some manipulation of your goverment, you must join the World Proletariat Revolution.

[OOC: So he is ICCD. You still can't just suddenly jump in and claim you have people all over Zinaire without giving him any chance to intercept them.]

OOC: If he has some means of intercepting them legitimately that is fair game. Personally unless his nation as I said is hostile towards businessmen and tourists then I don't see how they would be intercepted. However as I said if valid and reasonable by all means, but they are using covers and different nationalities in many cases. They are trained intelligence agents.

I wouldn't think a pro business government would be against tourism or trade and business facilitation.

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Zinairian Foreign Authority
Department of Diplomatic Affairs
14 National Plaza, Zinaire City

Thank you for the offer, however, we shall rely on aid that does not have strings attached (OOC: what is that organization anyway?). Regardless, the prime minster is currently in his bathtub singing along with the oldies until the godmoding goes away.

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Sir Jackson Miller
Chancellor of Diplomatic Affairs

Zaureus;13736471']OOC: If he has some means of intercepting them legitimately that is fair game. Personally unless his nation as I said is hostile towards businessmen and tourists then I don't see how they would be intercepted. However as I said if valid and reasonable by all means, but they are using covers and different nationalities in many cases. They are trained intelligence agents.

I wouldn't think a pro business government would be against tourism or trade and business facilitation.

OOC: We are, however, against tourists bringing heavy weaponry into the country and it is illegal for non-citizens to buy firearms. With arms manufacturing as a major industry, we also come down pretty hard on arms smugglers, in case you were thinking about that.

OOC: We are, however, against tourists bringing heavy weaponry into the country and it is illegal for non-citizens to buy firearms. With arms manufacturing as a major industry, we also come down pretty hard on arms smugglers, in case you were thinking about that.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=557803 : World Proletariat Revolution, Join us comrades, open to all that are freindly.

OOC: It isn't godmoding unless I do stuff for you. I havn't. Obviously you arn't up for a RP cause you arn't willing to accept the consequences. It is fair to turn down a thread, but saying I'm Godmodding is wholely false.

Just play it out, if business and tourism isn't allowed in your country that rules that out.. none the less all you got to do is respond to my actions. I havn't forced anything, only stated what would be occuring givng you an oppourtunity to respond.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=557803 : World Proletariat Revolution, Join us comrades, open to all that are freindly.

*backs away slowly from Communist alliance*

OOC: We are, however, against tourists bringing heavy weaponry into the country and it is illegal for non-citizens to buy firearms. With arms manufacturing as a major industry, we also come down pretty hard on arms smugglers, in case you were thinking about that.

No heavy weaponry was brought into the country by the covert agents. ESSI agents are trained with make it there using tools and materials commonly available in regular commercial areas.

When the black ops start to get in (after aircraft areable to drop them off, that is when heavy weapons will start being involved)

However detection of stealth aircraft would be need to stop that from occuring. Although the black ops are the ones to attack remote facilities, such as power generation, dams etc.. although missle strikes would also be used for these operations people on the ground will also be deployed to back this up. However, the first wave of air attacks is planned to occur first.. then the second wave and insertion.. depending on the first wave.

Assasination of notable figures would be carried out by covert agents, as well as cutting of powerlines, etc.. arson.. stuff that doesn't take specialized equipment. The odd chemical gas mixture acid attacks etc.. though would be carried out by covert agents.

They would be inserted a week or two before the Dday though.. however the time lapse was that there would be no reasonable means to detect them given the total surprise of the attack. However I am not preventing you from using reasonable means, I just didn't account for any, based upon my knowledge of your nation.

*backs away slowly from Communist alliance*

OCC: What, what's wrong im here for you..."hugs"

Zaureus;13736479']OOC: It isn't godmoding unless I do stuff for you. I havn't. Obviously you arn't up for a RP cause you arn't willing to accept the consequences. It is fair to turn down a thread, but saying I'm Godmodding is wholely false.

Just play it out, if business and tourism isn't allowed in your country that rules that out.. none the less all you got to do is respond to my actions. I havn't forced anything, only stated what would be occuring givng you an oppourtunity to respond.

OOC: Well, I sure am curious to find out how your naval forces just appeared off my coast, especially considering the NCTO naval patrols what with Fozcrian relations what they are.

I'm also not the only one who's said you're godmoding so don't go trying to say I'm just trying to wiggle out of this.

The OP also doesn't really make sense. The first part is outright lies and the second part is a mixture of godmods and sentences which seem to be the love-children or proper sentences and gibberish.

Finally, there's the matter of which nation you attacked us with.

No heavy weaponry was brought into the country by the covert agents. ESSI agents are trained with make it there using tools and materials commonly available in regular commercial areas.

And last I checked, there was only one McGyver.

OOC: Good luck with the assassinations. The Diplomatic Defense Division has been on all our important people like butter on bread since we got wind of Interimoian terrorism plans.

And I still don't know why you attacked me. As far as I can tell, it's because I OOCly called you on trying to send more people than you had to ViZon.

OOC: Good luck with the assassinations. The Diplomatic Defense Division has been on all our important people like butter on bread since we got wind of Interimoian terrorism plans.

And I still don't know why you attacked me. As far as I can tell, it's because I OOCly called you on trying to send more people than you had to ViZon.

"coughs" make an occ thread.

"coughs" make an occ thread.

OOC: Well...that's about all we'd need.

OOC: There are reasonable grounds for a naval battle, if you detected my attack fleet.. the subs would be forward. Subsurface combat in international waters might be likely otherwise my subs will be approaching for a subsurface attack using supercaviated torpedos. Operating in around 10 wolfpacks of 10 spear class attack subs (CLASS IV SPEAR)


if they entered within 100KM they would release the "decoy fish" which are tuna and dolphin size porpus constructions which can be implanted with a variety of systems. A couple would be HE. "Fish" around 3ft by 1 ft can be deployed their job is to come into contact with vesels and deploy high concentrated acids to attack propellers and other sensitive area, and mark ships with a chemical tracer and plant silent boomers - they don't activate until the sonar frequency is sent out then it is used to lock onto the ships that are planted. Given the nature that this happens about a week prior.

The subs are in advance of the carriers which also operate submersed using caviated technologies to increase underwater speed (although they arn't remotely as fast on surface. They actually deploy a nose cap to switch between operational modes.

None the less a lot of info but there is reasonble grounds for a naval battle. You'd be attacked by the spear class stleath attack subs first though from long range by supercaviated torpedos.

Satalites for pinpointing ships would also be used as well as aircraft sent out in the first wave as they flew they would be gathering seaside intelligence FLAR etc.. although this would not be the primary means of gather data, satalite would be, using thermal and density as well as sonar systems which were able to range at that point and radar/ladar and airborn atmospheric accoustic systems.

[OOC: Shouldn't you have specified all the details earlier? Right now, going back and changing what you said without global approval is godmodding.]

Zaureus;13736498']OOC: There are reasonable grounds for a naval battle, if you detected my attack fleet.. the subs would be forward. Subsurface combat in international waters might be likely otherwise my subs will be approaching for a subsurface attack using supercaviated torpedos. Operating in around 10 wolfpacks of 10 spear class attack subs (CLASS IV SPEAR)


if they entered within 100KM they would release the "decoy fish" which are tuna and dolphin size porpus constructions which can be implanted with a variety of systems. A couple would be HE. "Fish" around 3ft by 1 ft can be deployed their job is to come into contact with vesels and deploy high concentrated acids to attack propellers and other sensitive area, and mark ships with a chemical tracer and plant silent boomers - they don't activate until the sonar frequency is sent out then it is used to lock onto the ships that are planted. Given the nature that this happens about a week prior.

The subs are in advance of the carriers which also operate submersed using caviated technologies to increase underwater speed (although they arn't remotely as fast on surface. They actually deploy a nose cap to switch between operational modes.

None the less a lot of info but there is reasonble grounds for a naval battle. You'd be attacked by the spear class stleath attack subs first though from long range by supercaviated torpedos.

Satalites for pinpointing ships would also be used as well as aircraft sent out in the first wave as they flew they would be gathering seaside intelligence FLAR etc.. although this would not be the primary means of gather data, satalite would be, using thermal and density as well as sonar systems which were able to range at that point and radar/ladar and airborn atmospheric accoustic systems.

OOC: That doesn't really answer my questions and even the first sentence hardly makes sense. And the fish...let's just say I have my doubts.

OOC: I havn't godmoded, if there is an example of any godmode so far let me know

OOC: Do these influential people ever expose themselves to the same air as the public uses. like getting out of a car/limo etc.., public appearances, talks like showing up for a chat with a local community group, or making a speech?

Zaureus;13736503']OOC: I havn't godmoded, if there is an example of any godmode so far let me know

We've been giving you examples all along.

OOC: That doesn't really answer my questions and even the first sentence hardly makes sense. And the fish...let's just say I have my doubts.

Ah you are just shrugging off cause you have no defences. Just admit it, you are just bread and butter with no jam.

I'm not even going to bother RP this out at this point cause you are just a rules lawyer with no RPability trolling other peoples threads.

Zaureus;13736506']OOC: Do these influential people ever expose themselves to the same air as the public uses. like getting out of a car/limo etc.., public appearances, talks like showing up for a chat with a local community group, or making a speech?

OOC: Yes, but I doubt one of your agents could assassinate them using his blowgun made of scotch tape, expense reports and ballpoint pens. Especially considering that they'd most likely be wearing body armor and surrounded by DDD soldiers.

OOC: Yes, but I doubt one of your agents could assassinate them using his blowgun made of scotch tape, expense reports and ballpoint pens. Especially considering that they'd most likely be wearing body armor and surrounded by DDD soldiers.

Well if all your high profile people are like that then that is fair game but unless they have environmental systems I can still throw a chemical molotov at them. Or ram a hijacked truck into their car.
Body armour doesn't defend against thrust damage.

(he says I'm Godmoding)

How charismatic your leaders must be darth.

OOC: Yes, but I doubt one of your agents could assassinate them using his blowgun made of scotch tape, expense reports and ballpoint pens. Especially considering that they'd most likely be wearing body armor and surrounded by DDD soldiers.

Conside, for your edification

http://www.thehomegunsmith.com

People can make some pretty amazing stuff with basic tools and fairly minimal training.

OOC: Yes, but I doubt one of your agents could assassinate them using his blowgun made of scotch tape, expense reports and ballpoint pens. Especially considering that they'd most likely be wearing body armor and surrounded by DDD soldiers.

Hey I could have an eraser too you know...

what people can't buy stuff in your country?



What about a biological agent housed within an IPOD nano sealed environmentally until a special code inputed into the ipod allowed for its release in a spray stream, and this agent took about 24 hours to come into effect.. and was airborn?

Or was held inside an agents stomach.. to be brought active by digestion and passed as gas..

Zaureus;13736512'](he says I'm Godmoding)

How charismatic your leaders must be darth.

OOC: WTF are you talking about? Who's Darth?

Conside, for your edification

http://www.thehomegunsmith.com

People can make some pretty amazing stuff with basic tools and fairly minimal training.

OOC: Interesting, but can any of it assassinate an armored politician?

((OOC: You cannot afford to perform orbital strikes, because your nation cannot afford the satellites.

You do not understand, I fear.

Zaureus is the posting account for ICCD, a far larger nation.

[OOC: Actually, yes, they can. I remember hearing something about a paper crossbow where if fired onto a vital location can kill a person. However, it only has one use.]

OOC: Interesting, but can any of it assassinate an armored politician?

Do your politicians walk around wearing full-body armor carrying every single vital spot? If no, I can hardly see why it would be impossible to assassinate them by, say, shooting them in the thigh, the neck, the head, and so forth.

Mind, the agent would probably die, too, by being shot many times by the guards.

But it's not impossible.

[OOC: Actually, yes, they can. I remember hearing something about a paper crossbow where if fired onto a vital location can kill a person. However, it only has one use.]

OOC: Mythbusters! Yes, indeed it could...well, Adam's couldn't...or was it Jamie's?

Do your politicians walk around wearing full-body armor carrying every single vital spot? If no, I can hardly see why it would be impossible to assassinate them by, say, shooting them in the thigh, the neck, the head, and so forth.

Mind, the agent would probably die, too, by being shot many times by the guards.

But it's not impossible.

OOC: You can kill someone by shooting them in the thigh? But yes, I will grant you that my politicians are made of flesh and full assasinatable given the proper circumstances (however unfortunate they may be). However, this is all a massive digression.

OOC: Femoral artery. Anyhow. The reason Zaureus can afford this stuff is because Zaureus is the posting account of Intracircumcordei [sp] aka ICCD. *ponders invading to help*

So is it possible to speed a rental car up and run one and few body gaurds over while they are going to make a public appearance?

OOC: Femoral artery. Anyhow. The reason Zaureus can afford this stuff is because Zaureus is the posting account of Intracircumcordei [sp] aka ICCD. *ponders invading to help*

OOC: Ah, I suppose that's something of a lucky shot though.

The validity of him being ICCD is somewhat contested though. It wasn't mentioned for some time (even the title indicates that the attack is happening by the smaller nation).

To me it seems like we're just going to argue about whether he godmoded or not into eternity, so maybe a ruling from the actual Mods is in order?

Unless the mods thing otherwise, I'm not going to participate in a war that was set off (apparently) because I corrected someone OOCly, especially with all this godmoding (or supposed godmoding).

[OOC: He is ICCD. He telegrammed me saying as such with ICCD's account.

EDIT: AHA! Mythbusters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_%28season_4%29#Paper_Crossbow]

[OOC: He is ICCD. He telegrammed me saying as such with ICCD's account.

EDIT: AHA! Mythbusters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythBusters_%28season_4%29#Paper_Crossbow]

OOC: I don't think him being ICCD was ever the issue, it was him not revealing it until several posts in.

OOC: This is absurd. You can't just say 'my agents attack ur leaders, post losses', you actually need to provide details. What are you expecting Zinaire to do? 'Okay, so, three thousand agents, say a hundred assassination attempts, with a twenty percent success rate...'

IMO assassinations, as they're necessarily of important people, need to be arranged beforehand with the target - you don't even know any of their names ffs. Since this thread appears to have come completely out of the blue, Zinaire doesn't have to bother if he so wishes.

PS it is very reasonabe for ESSI to have a few thousand agents in any given nation

Also, no. No it isn't.

Wow, this is dumb.

ICCD/Zaureus, you have about five seconds to give this up before I make your nation into Trinitite.

Wow, this is dumb.

ICCD/Zaureus, you have about five seconds to give this up before I make your nation into Trinitite.

Ditto, and for a nation of 4.8 billion, I'm surprised that you really need to read the stickies.

No, seriously, you really should have read the stickies from day one. For example, this (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366018) one covers many of your flaws (notice the first point, 'Communication'). The stickies are supposed to be your first port of call in II, and although everyone claims they've read them, I doubt you have else several of the disputes in this thread would not have been raised.

Now shoo or I'll call Anny and tell him you're picking on Zinaire :p

OOC: This is absurd. You can't just say 'my agents attack ur leaders, post losses', you actually need to provide details. What are you expecting Zinaire to do? 'Okay, so, three thousand agents, say a hundred assassination attempts, with a twenty percent success rate...'

IMO assassinations, as they're necessarily of important people, need to be arranged beforehand with the target - you don't even know any of their names ffs. Since this thread appears to have come completely out of the blue, Zinaire doesn't have to bother if he so wishes.



Also, no. No it isn't.


It is next to imposible to state all actions of the war so I generalize attacks leaving it to imagination in general as to what happens, as there are countless circumstances to any given assasination attempt. Those occurences of interest can be brought to a higher level of RP. THat is how I RP state general occurence - ask for clarification where there are any unkowns, then magnify areas of interest for indepth RP.

I already stated he was more then capable of ignoring the event, but I feel like the situation was BSed with excuses in an attempt to avoid the occurence. It would be to some extent kitten mauling anyway. However I find their excuse of GodModding to be ridiculous, and technical roadblocks were put up when a RP could have been pushed ahead.

I'm geussing a nation of 300 Million people would have a variety of Notable people, military, local politicians, business owners, police cheifs, media personalities etc... and some of these people may be exposed to attack. I don't expect him to provide a list of all his notable individuals, it is mearly a sweeping action, and it is unfathomable for me to list names of hundreds of individuals and carry out each attack. While if there is an attack or two within that action that feels like being exemplified then by all means. But a professional hit has a good chance of success on a "regular person" especially by military trained assassins. Although there is a fair likely hood that the assassin may be caught. Things like spray inhaled contact poison, a virus etc.. would be less likely to immediately be noticed.

Likewise a person running a car off the road would increase the likelyhood of the agents/death capture even if they bail out of the car before hand. Some activities would far more high profile. However the agents would be using very sophisticated assassination techniques, if all notables were in fully environmental armour then say as much and as stated I can give exlainations. My own profiled individuals are very well protected in some cases also (although not all).

However the opening is giving a general idea, the temporal rules of an RP are in the air, doing backstory or forshadowing isn't taboo, you just need to do it wisely.

anyway.. I feel like Zinaire may be overly rigid to RP with regardless. TG me with questions/comments, this thread (perhaps as planned) was largely killed with OOC postings.

OOC: This is absurd. You can't just say 'my agents attack ur leaders, post losses', you actually need to provide details. What are you expecting Zinaire to do? 'Okay, so, three thousand agents, say a hundred assassination attempts, with a twenty percent success rate...'

IMO assassinations, as they're necessarily of important people, need to be arranged beforehand with the target - you don't even know any of their names ffs. Since this thread appears to have come completely out of the blue, Zinaire doesn't have to bother if he so wishes.



Also, no. No it isn't.

And why not? If they don't have strict tourist/business visa policies there is no reason why they couldn't go there a week or so prior the Dday.

As for before hand, some notables would be making appearances, or have a day job. None the less ESSI would be able to quickly collect information publically available then compile an attack strategy. ESSI has computer systems and a very strong intelligence gathering capacity. This is not to say every planned attack would go ahead as planned, some schedules may be planned. Since all attacks are planned for approximately the same time, not all would go ahead only ones which would be likely to acheive success, or were worth the risk.

Wow, this is dumb.

ICCD/Zaureus, you have about five seconds to give this up before I make your nation into Trinitite.

-IGNORE-

although he is little fun to play with anyway.

Ditto, and for a nation of 4.8 billion, I'm surprised that you really need to read the stickies.

No, seriously, you really should have read the stickies from day one. For example, this (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=366018) one covers many of your flaws (notice the first point, 'Communication'). The stickies are supposed to be your first port of call in II, and although everyone claims they've read them, I doubt you have else several of the disputes in this thread would not have been raised.

Now shoo or I'll call Anny and tell him you're picking on Zinaire :p


I was all for a fair RP, as far as RP terrorist actions - it wasn't a terrorist attack it was the begining of an invasion.. and by doing a broad sweeping attack you start with the large and then focus in on more specific points of attack such as individual battles. None the less he wasn't up for the RP, he could have just said so. They could have TGed any questions instead I felt it was drowned out by OOC posting to save face. OOC posting should be kept to OOC threads.

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Why on earth would you detailing elite military operatives to assassinate police chiefs and media personalities? This is a full-scale invasion, you should be blowing up power plants and shooting cabinet ministers - which again are important enough targets to be arranged beforehand.

And why not? If they don't have strict tourist/business visa policies there is no reason why they couldn't go there a week or so prior the Dday.

You think customs officials won't get just a little suspicious over thousands of people from an unknown nation appearing in a week? It's certainly not something which can just breeze through without having any chance for Zinaire to stop it.

If it's a given that you already have thousands of operatives in any nation the size of your intelligence service would most likely be larger than your entire population.

We could make this a sticky to show how not to go about RP's :D

Why on earth would you detailing elite military operatives to assassinate police chiefs and media personalities? This is a full-scale invasion, you should be blowing up power plants and shooting cabinet ministers - which again are important enough targets to be arranged beforehand.

Local organization is just as important as high level, also high level attacks would be very difficult to pull off in some cases because they will be put into secure locations as soon as there is a a wiff. Meanwhile local government and media personalities are trusted by the local populations. Offing them will create fog of war. Also they will know their localities much better, meaning that if local awareness is reduced, in the heirarchy the bottom level falls out.




You think customs officials won't get just a little suspicious over thousands of people from an unknown nation appearing in a week?

As I said they are in many cases cover agents, unsing assumed identities.



If it's a given that you already have thousands of operatives in any nation the size of your intelligence service would most likely be larger than your entire population.

It isn't unreasonable to move 1000 agents in a multi million person agency to a place. Having 500,000 agents travelling gathering intelligence as cover agents is not beyond my capacity.


Bear in mind ICCD is nearing 5 Billion people. . which is almost 20 times the size of the U.S.

The parallel is the CIA having 100 agents in each country on earth.

OOC: So a "fair" RP starts with a multi-billion person nation attacking poor little me with absolutely no warning or communication because of a polite OOC comment I made?

-IGNORE-

although he is little fun to play with anyway.

OH HAHA VERY NOBLE OF YOU

Zinaire, ignore ICCD.

We could make this a sticky to show how not to go about RP's :D

If we start doing that, every thread on II may as well be stickied.

We could make this a sticky to show how not to go about RP's :D

Well said.

If we start doing that, every thread on II may as well be stickied.

Jeuna wins though.

ICCD, I severely doubt this is going to actually turn into an even remotely decent RP. Maybe it should be dropped? There have been about five IC posts in god knows how many pages, and I'm pretty sure the bulk of them might have been commies trying to lure good Zinaire into their web of lies.

Perhaps the solution would be to start again, play it as the stickies say (Yes, just having X agents/soldiers/whatever appear in Zinaire is a godmod. You would realize this if you either read the stickies in the first place or even read the one I linked you to).

Personally though, I agree with Aki. This is dumb, unproductive, definitely not fun, and warrant of a good ignoring. I don't think anyone wants to participate in this RP, so let's move on.