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I was looking for someone out their who could bomb me in a practice RP so I can make sure that I know how to properly RP an air battle/anti-air operation before I ever step foot into a real fight.

Any takers?

Experienced RPer would be preferable.

I'm in

Thing is, there are so many different scenarios, different time periods, and different weapons. Say what you want, and I can help.

Me!

EDIT: Damn, nevermind. Do you want to do the same for a land or naval scenario and I am in.

I think I'd be prepared to do it - non-canon I assume?

At any rate, both myself and Alfegos could give you a bit of a twist owing to our strange branch of aerial weaponry...

The air defense of my nation goes as follows:

Fifty radar stations throughout the nation, covering for the most part, the whole country.

These radar stations each aid in the spotting procedures of ten batteries of MIM-104 Patriot Missile batteries.

This ten + one system makes up one battalion.

The air force consists of one major hub in the center of the country. It has various smaller bases in the major cities, but these are irrelevant.

The air force consists of the following:

75 Su-47
50 F-15's
60 Mi-24's
50 Mi-17’s
15 C-17's
25 AC-130's

and the crew and support staff.

I think I'd be prepared to do it - non-canon I assume?

At any rate, both myself and Alfegos could give you a bit of a twist owing to our strange branch of aerial weaponry...

OOC: You mean zeppelins? I do remember you saying that your nation is much like the world of the Golden Compass.

I could hop in with a small detachment of around 300 Sukhois and 200 Tupolev bombers...there's the chance that either of us could win.

OOC: You mean zeppelins? I do remember you saying that your nation is much like the world of the Golden Compass.

That be them. 150kts, and capable of carrying a hell of a lot of dumb ordnance, or some serious smart-bomb/missile capability. Can fly for days, has a decent amount of anti-aircraft ordnance (AMRAAMS on pylons, CIWS), and can also be fitted out like the AC-130.

I think Alfegos uses smaller ones than I do (I use civilian ones of ~300m and military ones of 300m+), but either way, they are decent ways to suppress, and I expect very good to RP with.

Lets go with two sides, the attackers and the defenders, my side being the defenders.

Does everyone agree to these parameters:

Attackers

Alfegos
Stoklomolvi

Defenders:
Crimea
Pan-Arab Barronia?


Greston, feel free to join up.

Lets go with two sides, the attackers and the defenders, my side being the defenders.

Does everyone agree to these parameters:

Attackers

Alfegos
Stoklomolvi

Defenders:
Crimea
Pan-Arab Barronia?


Greston, feel free to join up.

LoL, pick the big guy for your side :p . I can do that, but I doubt I'll be using airships for defence, save maybe at a v. high altitude for AWACS as part of the DefenseNet system.

At any rate, is it going to be land-based or coastal?

What is inside the Zeppelins? Helium, hydrogen...?

What is inside the Zeppelins? Helium, hydrogen...?

Hydrogen I believe, HEHE 'splosive.

What is inside the Zeppelins? Helium, hydrogen...?

In Barronia, legislation prevents the use of anything but helium, slightly pressurised. I would suspect the same of Alfegos, but...you never know.

Alfegos goes for an interesting school of airship warfare: fill 'er up with helium, central core of AerGas for fuel (non-flammable due to the surrounding helium gas), strap on a gondola or two to the underside, fill one up with a shitload of missiles and then strap on engines and countermeasures.

I use slightly larger airships than you do. TheConsul Class 'AeroCruiser' is around 650m long, with other craft smaller (at least 250m for armed airships), but using either vectored thrust or hybrid airship technology to increase airship lift. But, for the basis of the scenario, lets have a standard Taskforce of the following:

3x Consul AeroCruisers: Big, bad, at least 3000 tonnes of missiles onboard. Multipurpose destruction on a city level.
5x N-class AeroFrigates: Small 300m craft armed with loads of autocannons, quite a lot of mid-range SAMs and a few ultralong range SAMs. Anything attacking from the air will regret it.

1x Stratellite - Ultra-high altitude airship at about 100km covered in cameras, RADAR sensors and the like, to get surveillance of an area about 100km all round in visual and at least 700km in RADAR. Also with comms equipment to relay signals. 120m diameter spheres in shape, with no rigid structure (so RADAR transparent).


The above is pretty much standard Taskforce. Of course, if you want, we can go up to Flotilla level (though we'd start dragging in more airships including some specialist ones...).
And I speak for both me and Pan-arab Barronia: before you do your shooting, THINK. Don't assume that these will just pop out the sky, and if ANYONE says what happens to someone else's craft without them saying first, then I'm getting angry.
If any of you want some more reference, look in the Aerospace section of the NS Draftroom: the Consul is near the top. I can't link it because it ain't working for me today.

Alfegos goes for an interesting school of airship warfare: fill 'er up with helium, central core of AerGas for fuel (non-flammable due to the surrounding helium gas), strap on a gondola or two to the underside, fill one up with a shitload of missiles and then strap on engines and countermeasures.

I use slightly larger airships than you do. TheConsul Class 'AeroCruiser' is around 650m long, with other craft smaller (at least 250m for armed airships), but using either vectored thrust or hybrid airship technology to increase airship lift. But, for the basis of the scenario, lets have a standard Taskforce of the following:

3x Consul AeroCruisers: Big, bad, at least 3000 tonnes of missiles onboard. Multipurpose destruction on a city level.
5x N-class AeroFrigates: Small 300m craft armed with loads of autocannons, quite a lot of mid-range SAMs and a few ultralong range SAMs. Anything attacking from the air will regret it.

1x Stratellite - Ultra-high altitude airship at about 100km covered in cameras, RADAR sensors and the like, to get surveillance of an area about 100km all round in visual and at least 700km in RADAR. Also with comms equipment to relay signals. 120m diameter spheres in shape, with no rigid structure (so RADAR transparent).


The above is pretty much standard Taskforce. Of course, if you want, we can go up to Flotilla level (though we'd start dragging in more airships including some specialist ones...).
And I speak for both me and Pan-arab Barronia: before you do your shooting, THINK. Don't assume that these will just pop out the sky, and if ANYONE says what happens to someone else's craft without them saying first, then I'm getting angry.
If any of you want some more reference, look in the Aerospace section of the NS Draftroom: the Consul is near the top. I can't link it because it ain't working for me today.

Nice. Don't use draftroom myself - I'm sure most of them are nice, but it's never appealed to me. Certainly, I'll be looking into more detail once I start getting back into more war-RPs, but hell, looks like you've done some research.

As for the second-to-last bit: hell yes.

The Draftroom is an excellent place for you to develop your concepts. Look at me as a living example: I started off with Iron-clad airships completely covered in 20mm Steel plate, and now I've got stuff that is more realistic than some real aircraft concepts I've seen. Just be careful though: some members do have a habit of "pissing on your parade" as they call it in the US. Not mentioning any names.
I still come up with the occasional nut-job airship: whilst the AeroBattlecraft was a very good design, in practice it would be shot down very quickly if it tried attacking many land targets. Still, 22 000 tonnes of bombs are something that I think appeals to most people (if well designed), since I'm taking destruction up to the small country level.
Just remember with airship not to do two common mistakes: getting the lift wrong and making them the wrong size. A 60m long missile-carrying airship is as impractical as a 3km AeroSuperdreadnaught.


Away from that, shall we do the RPing in a seperate thread?

Hmm, quite so. For most of them, the constructive criticism is spot on. But from what I've seen, it's not the forte of some ;)

I think we should wait for CR to answer my theatre question (Barronia concentrates on the naval side of things so it'll aid us no end - also, I know my armaments in that section) and let him make the first post. It'll give me some time to decide what my equipment is, as I don't think I have an NS-grade AA missile save the Vault10 MANPAD >.< . Plus, I think it would be reasonable to have a personnel count limit. It's hardly fair me throwing a few million men at something thanks to a 7billion population vs you and Stoklomolvi.

can I get involved in someway plox

alway's needing the practice.

Hmm, quite so. For most of them, the constructive criticism is spot on. But from what I've seen, it's not the forte of some ;)

I think we should wait for CR to answer my theatre question (Barronia concentrates on the naval side of things so it'll aid us no end - also, I know my armaments in that section) and let him make the first post. It'll give me some time to decide what my equipment is, as I don't think I have an NS-grade AA missile save the Vault10 MANPAD >.< . Plus, I think it would be reasonable to have a personnel count limit. It's hardly fair me throwing a few million men at something thanks to a 7billion population vs you and Stoklomolvi.

I think we should do this on another thread. And Pan-Barronia, let's minimalize the role of sheer numbers in this, that way the only things that truly matter are the tactics, tech, and role playing. I want to learn to properly RP a defense, not learn how to say [cheerleader voice]"That's alright, that's okay, we have a thousand more planes anyway!"[/cheerleader voice]
can I get involved in someway plox

alway's needing the practice.

I would be honored to have you join this, I have heard that you are one of the elder statesmen of this game, and are a supremely talented navy man. Judging by my geog. I could learn a lot from the creator of the HMS Hood (I heard from Wanderjar that it was epic)

LoL, pick the big guy for your side :p . I can do that, but I doubt I'll be using airships for defence, save maybe at a v. high altitude for AWACS as part of the DefenseNet system.

At any rate, is it going to be land-based or coastal?

Well, considering that I am a peninsular state, a little bit of both. I will be basing my things on land, if anyone wishes to call themselves a neighbor, they can be, since I don't have any. I figured that most of you guys would be using carrier groups though, so that we could turn this into a air/sea exercise.

OOC: Would you be interested in allowing me to help you RP a different aspect of your anti air defense? That is, the defense of the actual batteries themselves. I could RP the use of small special forces teams attempting to take down your air defense systems.

That's great; whatever side you want to put me on, as long as its sea/air, I don't mind.

Questers, since Pan-Arab Barronia is on my side, lets have you join the attack side, besides, RPing a naval engagement with you would help me to learn, from the best.

Whichever attacker wishes to start the RP, please post it under the moniker "Let's Play War Games" and demarcate that it is closed please.

I guess I'd be a little interested, just to make sure, what time period. My air force is both stuff I thought up but is also based off of some of the aircraft in C&C3 and Halo.

I guess I'd be a little interested, just to make sure, what time period. My air force is both stuff I thought up but is also based off of some of the aircraft in C&C3 and Halo.

That wouldn't exactly fit with the way this RP is going, since that is for the most part future tech, however, I would love to do a character RP with you, do you have any ideas?

Am I also accepted?

Am I also accepted?

negative

negative

May I ask why?

May I ask why?

Because I am choosing to focus on the traditional aspects of air defense, not that aspect. I will TG you though when I get my counter-terrorism group up though.

I can help. Penguin Protection can launch 5 squadrons of Pingu X-1 Aerial Battle platforms.

I can help. Penguin Protection can launch 5 squadrons of Pingu X-1 Aerial Battle platforms.

Yes, you are approved, as long as you are MT, what is your Battle Platform?

Air Games (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13792961#post13792961)

Thread is now up, so prepare to...party!