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The Ryouese Imperial Navy saw the need in Small boats since The Battle of The Caribbean in which The Imperial Navy had lost to GWO Marine Attack Boats.

Useing The Cigarette 46 Rider XP as a base for the design, The Ryouese came up with The Falcon Raider 540. A Fast Attack Boat Armed with Two Two MHI-279 45mm cannons. It was to be against Other Small Fast Water Craft, mainly The Marine Attack Boats of the Grand World Order.

a New Age of Naval Warfare had opened up.

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Whats the point? Producing a small attack boat to take out only other small attack boats is like creating a cybernetic fly to attack other flies.
Put some missiles or torpedos on it, else its a wasted investment. You could probably throw a couple more machine guns on it as well if you're going for the classic 'PT boat' feel.

Whats the point? Producing a small attack boat to take out only other small attack boats is like creating a cybernetic fly to attack other flies.
Put some missiles or torpedos on it, else its a wasted investment. You could probably throw a couple more machine guns on it as well if you're going for the classic 'PT boat' feel.

like the Schnellboot more then the PT boat

a New Age of Naval Warfare had opened up.

How is this a new age of naval warfare...?

The Ryouese Imperial Navy saw the need in Small boats since The Battle of The Caribbean in which The Imperial Navy had lost to GWO Marine Attack Boats.

Useing The Cigarette 46 Rider XP as a base for the design, The Ryouese came up with The Falcon Raider 540. A Fast Attack Boat Armed with Two Volkov-Yartsev VYa-23 20 mm autocannons. It was to be against Other Small Fast Water Craft, mainly The Marine Attack Boats of the Grand World Order.

a New Age of Naval Warfare had opened up.

Uh-oh, you're 20mm guns sank my battleship. Hey, guys, it looks like a new age of naval warfare opened up.

http://www.mgroves.com/images%5Cdo_not_want.jpg

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I will say that with the support of land-based systems, boghammers provide the most efficient naval force possible for any amount of dollars or materials. However, boghammers should never operate outside land support and certainly not on the open sea. Not that they'd have the endurance for it, anyway. To operate small boats for long stretches you have to use tenders.

Of course, now i'm getting beyond the point.

Official message from Conserative Morality:
While we applaud your venture into new technology, and experiments with naval warfare, we feel that this project is a lost cause. Small, nearly personal, patrol boats can do little, except aganst infentry on land, or other small boats. Another reason is the need for experience. You only need a few men who know how to do a specific task on larger boats, whereas the men must multi-task.

I guess you could always find a use for them in the larger creeks, and land locked lakes.

A new age of bass fishing has begun!

The Ryouese Imperial Navy saw the need in Small boats since The Battle of The Caribbean in which The Imperial Navy had lost to GWO Marine Attack Boats.

Useing The Cigarette 46 Rider XP as a base for the design, The Ryouese came up with The Falcon Raider 540. A Fast Attack Boat Armed with Two Volkov-Yartsev VYa-23 20 mm autocannons. It was to be against Other Small Fast Water Craft, mainly The Marine Attack Boats of the Grand World Order.

a New Age of Naval Warfare had opened up.

The ASoGM wishes to know if Terry "Hulk" Hogan will be driving this boat. We ask because this reminds us of the cheesy TV show, "Thunder in Paradise", and because we have some Hulk Hogan fans in our nation. Perhaps we can negotiate a financial arrangement where he can make some personal appearances in the ASoGM.

I truly hate to say this but I actually agree with Jaredcohenia for once. This scares me immensely.


And Ryou, its called a PT Boat OR Torpedo Boat if you're World War Two England.

The ASoGM wishes to know if Terry "Hulk" Hogan will be driving this boat. We ask because this reminds us of the cheesy TV show, "Thunder in Paradise", and because we have some Hulk Hogan fans in our nation. Perhaps we can negotiate a financial arrangement where he can make some personal appearances in the ASoGM.

That show was awesome.

Why is it every time Ryou invents or does something it's a new age in that field? I believe PT boats made by the storefronts of Draftroom members have surpassed the design already anyway.

Why is it every time Ryou invents or does something it's a new age in that field? I believe PT boats made by the storefronts of Draftroom members have surpassed the design already anyway.

Well, this is no PT Boat, it is more of a Modified Go-Fast Boat. As for being just a Coastal Boat, I will design a Ship that will Carry these boats like a Air Craft Carrier.

In Short, these will be Ocean going on a Fighter Boat Carrier.

and also the Falcon is not made to engage Capital Ships, only PT boats and the like.

That show was awesome.

http://entimg.msn.com/i/ap/11172005/nyet10011172156.jpeg

FOR ME TO POOP ON!

Well, this is no PT Boat, it is more of a Modified Go-Fast Boat. As for being just a Coastal Boat, I will design a Ship that will Carry these boats like a Air Craft Carrier.

In Short, these will be Ocean going on a Fighter Boat Carrier.

OOC: Dude. Ever heard of mounting heavy machine guns on your blue water ships? All you need is some welding equipment and a tripod. Or you could build a whole new class of ships waste billions of dollars to build something that would do the same job for less than a million to add to all of your ships.

Well, this is no PT Boat, it is more of a Modified Go-Fast Boat. As for being just a Coastal Boat, I will design a Ship that will Carry these boats like a Air Craft Carrier.

In Short, these will be Ocean going on a Fighter Boat Carrier.

The ASoGM has a go-fast boat that sports a top speed of 310 knots and can carry/fire 6 Tomahawks and 4 Sea Sparrows. As an added benefit, there is no draft when it's at speed, as it's an ekranoplane. It's not as small as your craft, but mine has a range of 1,620 nm in flight mode, and 216 nm in displacement mode.

The ASoGM has a go-fast boat that sports a top speed of 310 knots and can carry/fire 6 Tomahawks and 4 Sea Sparrows. As an added benefit, there is no draft when it's at speed, as it's an ekranoplane. It's not as small as your craft, but mine has a range of 1,620 nm in flight mode, and 216 nm in displacement mode.

DO NOT GIVE HIM IDEAS!!!!

ooc: why not let him have fun and rp the way he wants..if he wants to "Waste" money on a new ship program then let him...doesn't call for all the snide comments and such....

How is this a new age of naval warfare...?

OOC: Not sure. I though Destroyers and frigates were the future of naval warfare.

DO NOT GIVE HIM IDEAS!!!!

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/8643/owlhuh0tz.jpg

Why not?

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Why not?

Sorry for all caps.

He will take your suggestion and multiply it by 10 with wankage and a pinch of godmodding

Sorry for all caps.

He will take your suggestion and multiply it by 10 with wankage and a pinch of godmodding

Oh, I see.

I'm just trying to show him that he's not the first to think of armed high speed ships.

Oh, I see.

I'm just trying to show him that he's not the first to think of armed high speed ships.

Also link Plz?

kythxbi

and also the Falcon is not made to engage Capital Ships, only PT boats and the like.

Of course the problem is now who employs PT boats to a large amount beyond littoral combat?

I've had this idea for a while to fill an LCS with electronic control systems for a swarm of USVs with torpedoes or something.

But after that I didn't have anything to do with them. Nothing I could mount could actually hurt ships except maybe a cluster of 122mm rockets.

Don't we have destroyers and frigates to screen these little guys out anyway?

Also link Plz?

kythxbi

A link to my armed high speed ship? It's a modified Lun ekranoplane, designed to carry its missiles internally (instead of externally, like the Russians did with the SS-N-22s.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10532574&postcount=6

It's the last post on my short development thread.

A link to my armed high speed ship? It's a modified Lun ekranoplane, designed to carry its missiles internally (instead of externally, like the Russians did with the SS-N-22s.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10532574&postcount=6

It's the last post on my short development thread.

OOC: Can you build one for me around the size of maybe a large fighter jet or a small medium bomber? They'd be useful with some tender ships around to muck about with enemy fleets at range, especially as a raiding party with spec ops divers in them.

OOC: Dude. Ever heard of mounting heavy machine guns on your blue water ships? All you need is some welding equipment and a tripod. Or you could build a whole new class of ships waste billions of dollars to build something that would do the same job for less than a million to add to all of your ships.

ooc i have and like the idea of mounting GAU-19/As on the deck to shoot up little boats

Well, this is no PT Boat, it is more of a Modified Go-Fast Boat. As for being just a Coastal Boat, I will design a Ship that will Carry these boats like a Air Craft Carrier.

In Short, these will be Ocean going on a Fighter Boat Carrier.

save ur money invest in something . . . Like say enron

Well, this is no PT Boat, it is more of a Modified Go-Fast Boat. As for being just a Coastal Boat, I will design a Ship that will Carry these boats like a Air Craft Carrier.

In Short, these will be Ocean going on a Fighter Boat Carrier.

So its a boat that carries boats that fights other small boats.

((OOC: Before you bash him, maybe you should know about the boat he made the boat fighters for.

The GWO MAB is used in brown and blue water situations, and is carried on our ships. They are extremely customizable, being able to carry SAMs, rocket pods, laser guided missiles, Depleted Uranium machine guns, and other sorts of weapons. The basic MAB has a dual machine gun (Can be either MG3s, FHASAWs, or MG42s) battery or 30mm AGL battery on the front, like the RPBs of the Vietnam War used by the United States. On the sides, it can have either machine guns or 30mm AGL batteries. On the rear, a Marine could easily set up a tripod. Also, for Blue water situations, they are loaded with torpedoes on their permanent torpedo rack.

To staff these boats, Marines are used. As Marines are amphibious troops, they're definitely the soldiers of choice for the MABs. ))

OOC: What stops me from launching a 1kt nuclear weapon to your boat carrying boat?

((OOC: Before you bash him, maybe you should know about the boat he made the boat fighters for.

The GWO MAB is used in brown and blue water situations, and is carried on our ships. They are extremely customizable, being able to carry SAMs, rocket pods, laser guided missiles, Depleted Uranium machine guns, and other sorts of weapons. The basic MAB has a dual machine gun (Can be either MG3s, FHASAWs, or MG42s) battery or 30mm AGL battery on the front, like the RPBs of the Vietnam War used by the United States. On the sides, it can have either machine guns or 30mm AGL batteries. On the rear, a Marine could easily set up a tripod. Also, for Blue water situations, they are loaded with torpedoes on their permanent torpedo rack.

To staff these boats, Marines are used. As Marines are amphibious troops, they're definitely the soldiers of choice for the MABs. ))
So no CWIS and almost no damage control and yet you want to put expensive weapons systems on it I btw do u have SPY radar(or its equivalent) mounted on those things? Cause if so their gonna hve to be bigger than what your suggesting and if not how are SAMs guided in/how are targets found? Last their gonna need big motors to handle everything ur ladening em down with (laser guided missile plus M-gun plus torpedoes) and combat endurance is gonna be low

OOC: What stops me from launching a 1kt nuclear weapon to your boat carrying boat?

OOC:Or any anti-ship missile for that matter? Nukes in naval warfare=epicfail

OOC:Or any anti-ship missile for that matter? Nukes in naval warfare=epicfail

I would save anti-shipping missiles for real threats.

OOC:Or any anti-ship missile for that matter? Nukes in naval warfare=epicfail

all so want a Nuclear Depth charge on my speed boat :(

OOC:Or any anti-ship missile for that matter? Nukes in naval warfare=epicfail

I wouldn't waste anti-shipping missiles with small boats. It's very unlikely for one to house enough electronics and sensors for beyond visual range combat, and I'm sure a 57mm naval gun would do the job, for both the boats and whatever carries them.

So no CWIS and almost no damage control and yet you want to put expensive weapons systems on it I btw do u have SPY radar(or its equivalent) mounted on those things? Cause if so their gonna hve to be bigger than what your suggesting and if not how are SAMs guided in/how are targets found? Last their gonna need big motors to handle everything ur ladening em down with (laser guided missile plus M-gun plus torpedoes) and combat endurance is gonna be low

It's a patrol boat, it's not going to have CIWS or AEGIS. SAMs are probably guided by a pulse doppler radar or something similar, or maybe even IR.

Ryou, have you considered a hydrofoil, like the Pegasus class hydrofoil? 8 Harpoon missiles for anti-ship duties, and a 76mm rapid fire gun. The only things are, it may not be as fast as your original idea (Pegasus class is only rated to 48 knots while it's on its foil), and would be quite a bit bigger. They may have better range though (not sure though, as they didn't specify), for better blue water work.

OOC: What stops me from launching a 1kt nuclear weapon to your boat carrying boat?

((OOC: The fact that most respectable RPers don't just n00k people at first sight.))

It's a patrol boat, it's not going to have CIWS or AEGIS. SAMs are probably guided by a pulse doppler radar or something similar, or maybe even IR.

ya that was my point . . . I think is rather just use fighter planes or maybe usvs like protector

or maybe usvs like

woo a fast unmanned surface vessels full of C4

The ASoGM has a go-fast boat that sports a top speed of 310 knots and can carry/fire 6 Tomahawks and 4 Sea Sparrows. As an added benefit, there is no draft when it's at speed, as it's an ekranoplane. It's not as small as your craft, but mine has a range of 1,620 nm in flight mode, and 216 nm in displacement mode.

ooc i have and like the idea of mounting GAU-19/As on the deck to shoot up little boats

B-52 surpasses all above suggestions in range/endurance and warload...

Of course, you'd be a tad hard-pressed to get that tail-gun to engage land targets... unless... *points gun hard starboard and circles target counter-clockwise*

Meh... AC-130A and/or PBY wannabe...

OOC: Can you build one for me around the size of maybe a large fighter jet or a small medium bomber? They'd be useful with some tender ships around to muck about with enemy fleets at range, especially as a raiding party with spec ops divers in them.
Um...

Whats the point? Producing a small attack boat to take out only other small attack boats is like creating a cybernetic fly to attack other flies.
Put some missiles or torpedos on it, else its a wasted investment. You could probably throw a couple more machine guns on it as well if you're going for the classic 'PT boat' feel.

We would like to enquire if Aperture Science has developed or is on the brink of developing cybernetic flies? (We wish to use them as a counter-espionage measure against spy-flies.)

Also: Wow some of those later replies were odious.

B-52 surpasses all above suggestions in range/endurance and warload...

Of course, you'd be a tad hard-pressed to get that tail-gun to engage land targets... unless... *points gun hard starboard and circles target counter-clockwise*
:D
Meh... AC-130A and/or PBY wannabe...

mm love the night view (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/AC-130_firing_night.gif)

[OOC: Anybody notice that Ryou hasn't responded in quite a while now? Also, while I personally think that a boat-boat-boat is a silly idea, if you don't like it, leave him be. He'll get bored anyway.]

[OOC: Anybody notice that Ryou hasn't responded in quite a while now? Also, while I personally think that a boat-boat-boat is a silly idea, if you don't like it, leave him be. He'll get bored anyway.]

I know I haven't Replied.

And Also It is not a PT Boat, it is a Go-Fast Boat that is armed with Two 20mm Autocannons, like on Fighter planes, for attacking other small Craft, like PT Boats.

If you think it is a PT boat, then you are sadly Mistaken.

woo a fast unmanned surface vessels full of C4

That would be such a revolotionary concept. I mean, a really fast unmanned vessel(make it even better and make it submarine) filled with high explosives. No one has ever thought of anything along those lines before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireship#Ancient_era.2C_first_uses

Also, Naval battle != Air battle. To see space fighters in sci-fi is doable because of all the influences, but a naval "fighter boat"? It will be just cannon fodder at best, unless it's exclusively used for COIN.

That would be such a revolotionary concept. I mean, a really fast unmanned vessel(make it even better and make it submarine) filled with high explosives. No one has ever thought of anything along those lines before.

What you're describing is little more than a large torpedo, not exactly a revolutionary weapon.

What you're describing is little more than a large torpedo, not exactly a revolutionary weapon.

I think he knew that ;)

What you're describing is little more than a large torpedo, not exactly a revolutionary weapon.

I thought that it would be so obvious I didn't include a sarcasm tag.

I think he knew that ;)

Probably, but sarcasm is hard to detect in writing withour emoticons. I like this one myself :rolleyes:. :p.

Those are possibly the only emoticons I've used in II.

But seriously, this entire thread is kinda absurd.

Ryou's trolling I tell you - Trolling!

I thought that it would be so obvious I didn't include a sarcasm tag.

I've seen so many completely assinine things said on these boards that I never assume something is sarcasm. Sorry for any confusion though.

This overall idea isn't so crazy, actually. It just needs revision.

Look up the ekranoplan and use that concept. Your result will be a fighter that can only fly low but can carry about three times more the payload or a boat that can move really stinking fast, but doesn't have to touch the water.
It'd be good for fast, quick strikes, but not necessarily patrols.

Specs of the Falcon.

Crew Number: one
Length overall: 45'7"
Waterline length: not available
Beam: 8'0"
Draft: 4'0"
Weight (dry): 12,200 lbs.
Fuel capacity: 360 gal.
Water capacity: 12 gal.
engines: 2/900-hp AmiTech HP900 SC stern drives
Drives/ratio: SalamonOceanic Dry-Sump Six/1.5:1
Props: 17x33 4-blade Prop
Steering: RyouMarine Machine hydraulic
Controls: RyouMarine Machine mechanical

Top Speed 200.6 MPH
Weapons: Two MHI-279 45mm cannons.

The US Navy's SWCC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7Bctymq4bE) boat is much more efficient than this in many ways.

Well, this is no PT Boat, it is more of a Modified Go-Fast Boat.

So, it's a speedboat on nitro?

it is a Go-Fast Boat that is armed with Two 20mm Autocannons, like on Fighter planes, for attacking other small Craft, like PT Boats.

Again, pointless Speedboat? The idea behind attacking small craft is you do it in something bigger than the small craft you're attacking. Hence, Iowa Class Battleship VS Your "Go-Fast" Boat?

The victor is rather obvious.

And the boat carrying boat? It's almost as ridiculous as the Aircraft Carrying Aircraft (or Flying Aircraft Carrier).

Aircraft Carrying Aircraft (or Flying Aircraft Carrier).

Just realised the stupidity of that comment, as i've got a design for one...

Why do we still humor Ryou? He has no idea what a propper noun is, and all of his posts are stupid fluff. Just ignore these junk posts which in my estimation are worse thant he "My Government Needs Shellz :)" posts a month or so ago because at least Mr. Shellz didn't know any better, where Ryou is an experienced moron. In short, stop feeding the trolls.

Why do we still humor Ryou? He has no idea what a propper noun is, and all of his posts are stupid fluff. Just ignore these junk posts which in my estimation are worse thant he "My Government Needs Shellz :)" posts a month or so ago because at least Mr. Shellz didn't know any better, where Ryou is an experienced moron. In short, stop feeding the trolls.

Good point

*Leaves Thread*

Why do we still humor Ryou? He has no idea what a propper noun is, and all of his posts are stupid fluff. Just ignore these junk posts which in my estimation are worse thant he "My Government Needs Shellz :)" posts a month or so ago because at least Mr. Shellz didn't know any better, where Ryou is an experienced moron. In short, stop feeding the trolls.

Leave out the personal attacks and just Ignore what you don't think is worth humouring, ok?

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HotRodia

I’m not saying of Ryou is a troll or not (who knows…he could have been before, prompting the posters response) but from what I see:

1. Ryou presented an IC idea.
2. Some posters said that this IC idea was foolish.
3. Ryou defended his boats
4. These same posters gave IC suggestions that would work better

Up until this point, it all looked fine. However,

5. Certain posters stark making snide remarks, telling other not to give Ryou any ideas.
6. Alfegos randomly comes out saying ”Ryou’s Trolling I tell you – Trolling” ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13717125&postcount=56). This is completely random and either a stupid joke or a pointless grief.
7. Belkaros then flies off the deep end in his post, ultimately calling Ryou a troll again. ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13718085&postcount=62)

It really makes me wonder if anyone knows what the term troll refers to. Again, perhaps Ryou trolled some other time, but the term doesn’t apply to this situation in the least. I’d have to agree with Ryou here. I’m always one to call a spade a spade, and a troll a troll if that applies, you people calling Ryou a troll for something that is very obviously NOT trolling are out of line.

I’m not saying of Ryou is a troll or not (who knows…he could have been before, prompting the posters response) but from what I see:

1. Ryou presented an IC idea.
2. Some posters said that this IC idea was foolish.
3. Ryou defended his boats
4. These same posters gave IC suggestions that would work better

Up until this point, it all looked fine. However,

5. Certain posters stark making snide remarks, telling other not to give Ryou any ideas.
6. Alfegos randomly comes out saying ”Ryou’s Trolling I tell you – Trolling” ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13717125&postcount=56). This is completely random and either a stupid joke or a pointless grief.
7. Belkaros then flies off the deep end in his post, ultimately calling Ryou a troll again. ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13718085&postcount=62)

It really makes me wonder if anyone knows what the term troll refers to. Again, perhaps Ryou trolled some other time, but the term doesn’t apply to this situation in the least. I’d have to agree with Ryou here. I’m always one to call a spade a spade, and a troll a troll if that applies, you people calling Ryou a troll for something that is very obviously NOT trolling are out of line.

If you don't know who Hataria is, then you shouldn't be posting this.

Can I just point out as well, away from the whole personal attacks, that the concept of a fight boat is rather pointless unless it has Torpedoes or Stinger Missiles, at which case it could be used as a cheap escort vessel or more big Machine guns, at which case it could be used as an assualt boat.

As for small boat vs small boat, use a Friate escort or aircraft

If you don't know who Hataria is, then you shouldn't be posting this.

Apologies for not keeping up with the childish who's who's puppet's puppet. Either way, I stand by my statement. People have every right to criticize when there is ACTUALLY SOMETHING TO CRITICIZE. Ryou is certainly not trolling here.

Apologies for not keeping up with the childish who's who's puppet's puppet. Either way, I stand by my statement. People have every right to criticize when there is ACTUALLY SOMETHING TO CRITICIZE. Ryou is certainly not trolling here.

Steel Butterfly, I believe HotRodia, an actual moderator, has already addressed your concerns here. (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13718661&postcount=64)

Steel Butterfly, I believe HotRodia, an actual moderator, has already addressed your concerns here. (http://forums4.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13718661&postcount=64)

No, actually he addressed Ryou's. In addition, HotRodia and I are taking the same side on this, i.e. lay off the nonsensical personal attacks.

No, actually he addressed Ryou's. In addition, HotRodia and I are taking the same side on this, i.e. lay off the nonsensical personal attacks.

'Scuse me, there's only space for one really fucking huge ego in this forum.

I may be wrong here, but why put 45mm cannons on a speedboat?

A - where would they fit? In front of the boat?

B - If the purpose is to attack other boats, why not just mount a .50 cal on the speed boat for a 360 degree turning radius? Or better yet, they would probably just call in an air strike or something.

God this is going from bad to worse.

Oh mighty moderators, we beseech thee, lock this damned thread so we can get on with our lives without the needless posting, flamebaiting and future trolling that this thread was obviously begging for right from the very begining.

OCC: You're MT, right?

The Confederation of Dashie wonders if these speed boats are available without the 45mm cannons attached? We also ask if these boats are indeed for sale? We would like to purchase them to expand our navy, specifically our coast guard.

OOC: Also, if you're willing to sell, could you post specs on the boat, like speed; or name a RL boat that it is similar to for reference?

Anti-ship missiles > small boats

Why waste time with this design when you can just mount some AShMs on any FAC and have a much better (and cheaper) system. Even something as obsolete (by NS standards) as a Harpoon or Exocet would very effective against small boats.