NationStates Jolt Archive

Here is the Operation 'Holy Mission' OOC Thread.

OOC:

I would like to point out to you that I have had the 1st and 2nd Marine Infantry Parachute Regiments already on Corsica on a training mission, so that is where they came from and I also had the 13th DBLE on there way into da Vinci Airport where the Irish Rangers dropped into the night before the 13th came into the Airport to hold it and move on into Rome to help the units that was already in Rome and around the Vatican City. But you must have overlooked that from my post. Also if you going to say that I was god-modding then you should look at your post and think that if your going to say that you have all these SAMs and other military forces then you should post it some place and not just say you have them. I am going off what you have posted on the military thread of Earth V and so if you have not posted anything about a Air Force or Anti-Air Defense Zones on the Italian main-land or on the islands that you own because of Italy. So, if you would please post something about your TOs and ADAs someplace that would be a big help as I would not post something like I did without knowing what you have. Also you don't have any thing about Armor or Mech-Infantry Forces, so if you going to make fuss about my post then you should look and clean up your post too.

As for the military forces and ships that are already on the coast where the demilitarized zone in which TGSR has listed off limits to military forces.

Here is the Operation 'Holy Mission' OOC Thread.

OOC:

I would like to point out to you that I have had the 1st and 2nd Marine Infantry Parachute Regiments already on Corsica on a training mission, so that is where they came from and I also had the 13th DBLE on there way into da Vinci Airport where the Irish Rangers dropped into the night before the 13th came into the Airport to hold it and move on into Rome to help the units that was already in Rome and around the Vatican City. But you must have overlooked that from my post. Also if you going to say that I was god-modding then you should look at your post and think that if your going to say that you have all these SAMs and other military forces then you should post it some place and not just say you have them. I am going off what you have posted on the military thread of Earth V and so if you have not posted anything about a Air Force or Anti-Air Defense Zones on the Italian main-land or on the islands that you own because of Italy. So, if you would please post something about your TOs and ADAs someplace that would be a big help as I would not post something like I did without knowing what you have. Also you don't have any thing about Armor or Mech-Infantry Forces, so if you going to make fuss about my post then you should look and clean up your post too.

As for the military forces and ships that are already on the coast where the demilitarized zone in which TGSR has listed off limits to military forces.

I have RP'd these SAMs being in my military, constantly so.

I HAVE posted a lot about everything you just cited. Here you go:

Calvery Divisions each have:
6750 M-95 Degmans.
3750 B1 Centauro
1000 M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System
1250 PzH 2000
1000 Artemis 30


Another one, regarding bases:
This one lists all the different kinds of bases in the Empire
Bases: (All are walled complexes)

Storage Facility
-250 Guards, 50 personnel.
-1 huge enterence connected to military highway.
- Can hold up to 1000 dissasembled Eurofighters.
-Petrol Station
-Food Depot
-Ammo Depot
-Weaponry depot
-Bunkers with small closeable 'slits' overlookin mountain. Different levels to it.
-20 MEADS emplacements
-30 Surface-to-surface missle emplacements (If Inland)
-30 Land-to-sea missle emplacements(If on coast, as the Majority are)

Imperial Security Base
-Divisional Command Center
-Food Depot
-Divisional Central weapons Depot
-Divisional Administration
-Hospital
-Logistical Command
-Motor pool
-Refueling station
-Mechanic depot
-Provincial Corp HQ
-Barracks to accomidate 25,000 infantry
-1500 guards at any given time.
-Active Radar
-25 MEADS Emplacements

Regional Naval Command
-Docks for 15 ships
-Logistics center
-Refuel center (Diesel)
-Regional Water Bodies Administration
-Marine barracks for 1,000
-Air strip for 2 Eurofighter Squadrens
-Food Depot
-Ammunition Depot (And Missles for ships..)
-500 guards

Imperial Naval Base
-Docks for 40 ships
-Logistics center
-Refueling Station
-High Seas Administration
-Food Depot
-50 Otomat/Teseo Anti-Shipping Emplacements
-50 MEADS emplacements

Regional Air Base
-250 Guards
-Squadren Command centers
-Ammo depot
-Surface hangars (As opposed to the underground variation in Imperial Air Bases)
-10 mechanics
-15 MEADS emplacements
-250 Active Eurofighters
-Barracks to accomidate up to 1,000 personnel

Imperial Air Base
-1,100 Guards
-Flight/Airgroup Command Centers
-Ammo Depot
-Hospital
-Underground Hangars/Maintenence Hangers
-2,500 Eurofighters
-Airfeilds to accomidate 5,000
-Barracks to accomidate 10,00 personnel
-Warehouses for misc. use
-Food Depot
-100 MEADS emplacements
-Active Radar
-Petrol Depot

Imperial Army Base
-Battlegroup Command Center
-Food Depot
-Weapons Depot
-Divisional Administration
-Hospital
-Logistical Command
-Motor pool
-Refueling station
-Mechanic depot
-Barracks to accomidate 80,000 infantry
-3000 guards at any given time.
-Active Radar
-100 MEADS Emplacements
-Garages to accomidate 1 Calvery Division

TO Command Center
-Hospital
-Administration
-Food Depot
-Weapons Depot
-Ammo Depot
-Motor Pool
-Logistical Command Center
-500 Guards

TO Weapons Dump/Distribution center
-Ammo Depot
-Uniform/Tailors depot
-50 Guards
-Weapons Depot
-Food Depot

Basic Training Camp
-150 feild Instructors
-200 Class-room Instructors
-Marching Yard
-Obstacle Course
-Firing Range
-Medical Clinic
-Acedemic Building
-Barracks for 5,000 recruits
-Armory
-50 Guards

Imperial Command Acedemy
-200 Acedemic Instructors
-Fitness Center
-Simulation Center
-Military Library
-Barracks for 1,000
-Armory
-50 Guards

Imperial Guards Academy
-400 Feild Instructors
-Marching Yard
-Obstacle Course
-Firing Range
-Medical Facility
-Armory
-No Barracks. Recruits expected to live "In the Elements".
-Food Distribution Tent.
-50 Guards

Imperial Air Academy
-50 Instructors
-200 Acedemic Instructors
-Air strips
-500 MiG training Fighters
-500 UH-1 Iroquois Training Choppers
-100 XV-15 Tiltrotor Training Vehicules
-Mechanic Hangers
-Hangers
-Barracks for 5,000 persective pilots
-Air-combat similation complex
-50 Guards

Imperial Logistical Adacemy
-300 Acedemic Instructors
-50 Feild Instructors
-Motor Pool
-Professional Driving School
-Training Feild
-Training Roads
-50 Guards

Later on, I go on to list all the bases I have, and where they are...
I will list everything in Italy here.
Italy:
-Rome Imperial Air Base
-Turin Regional Air Command
-Messina Imperial Naval Base
-Genoa Regional Naval Command
-Rome Imperial Army Base ~ 3rd battlegroup
-Turin Imperial Security Base
-Sassari Imperial Security Base
-Bologna TO Command Center*
-Rome Imperial Guards Academy
-Rome Imperial Command Acedemy

*Note that the Bologna To command center is the central one in Italy, but there are many other coordination centers located with the Army.


Now, as you can see, Rome is a MAJOR military base and depot. To claim that you had never seen posts about any airforce or SAM emplacements in or near Rome is malarkey. Rome is probably my biggest Air center in Europe.

Also, to get from Corsica to Italy, you have to go over TGSR protected waters, which you did not RP.


In addition, you have made no prior statements about your navy being anywhere near Italy. If it is near Italy, it will have to be in the Mediterranean coastline, which is heavily watched. The Adriatic is pretty much off limits due to the excessive mining and control of the Sea by the Empire. I have RP'd the mining of the Adriatic several times, as well as having RP'd the gun emplacements lining the shores stretching between Albania and Croatia protecting the Sea. It is pretty much solely Imperial Territory.

Remember, you have to RP forces moving somewhere in order to have them there. They cant simply be there unless you intentionally send them there in a post. otherwise, you could claim to have your navy shell a city in Italy, then be ready to defend the Northern French Coastline in the next post. It takes time and a post to move something.

What do you think that Mistral Assault Group is and they were around the shoreline around Rome to land troops and equipment from Mistral as the rest of the ships cover it. As for anything that might be from TGSR. I would be working to take care of that as we speck.

Military Command, you're not following rule number three of the Earth V Modus Operandi.

For your convenience, here it is:
"Players need to show preparations to start the war in one or more posts before starting the war."

Your first post is fine for preparations. However, it is not fine for movement; that is, one cannot expect a single post to account for both preparations to move, the movement, and the arrival of an invading force traveling a moderate distance.

I created the rule in order to slow things down in war so that the defender does not claim that the invading player godmodded his way into his territory--exactly what ended up happening here, I might add.

So, what this means is that you must allow Vineyard time to post a reaction to the start of your military movement before assuming that your forces arrived.

So, what this means is that you must allow Vineyard time to post a reaction to the start of your military movement before assuming that your forces arrived.

After he edits his post to dictate the movement of his forces instead of an attack...

Well I have thought this and I would like to inform everyone that I was going of the NPC part of the Earth V Modus Operandi and that was because ALM had asked for a few members to make it known wither they were still in Earth V or not and Vineyard didn't, so I went on the list of him be red listed and that is why I did what I did. Also if a nation fall apart as long as your was in power as far as you said they were then it would be a big break down in command and control of the military and civilian government. So, most of the SAM and other weapons systems would still trying to bring order back to their own commands and would be up a creek because they would have no one to help supply or reinforce them as my forces move into the area. There was a big break down during the fall of Soviet Union and the creation of many new military forces for all the nations that once was part of that great Nation.

Also remember that you can fly blow Radar anyway as most civilian and military radar works only at 500 ft or higher. So, if I have my choppers fly lower then that it is unlikely that you would see them on radar unless you have AWACS up, but you have not stated that you have any air force or naval forces and it looks like your major build up was ground forces but that is fine.

So, I am asking you to think about what I have said. Most of the military would be still be looking for orders from senior commanders and also that you would for the most part be limited to the forces in just Italy and not any were else from the surrounding former Empire. Also the TO or militias would not be, so able to stop move or even really defend against such a large attack that I have sent into your Northern Boarder.

Well I look forward from hearing both of you on this matter.