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Okay now I'm looking for the best of the best from this little list, it should be late MT to early PMT (around 2025-2030).

Air superiority fighters.
Strike aircraft (Or ground attack or whatever you call them).
Anti-submarine Helicopters.
Awacs.
Airlifters.

Price isn't a huge problem especially when it comes to total domination, which is what I want.

It should be a tried and tested in combat and please explain it in words an American teenager can understand. (Not saying i'm stupid just you Europeans got better education and I'm but a simple American you know eat donuts, watch TV and screw the world)

occ: are you looking for only manned aircraft or would you want to take a look at unmaned aircraft? i have both in stock. and are you also looking at carrier based or both.

If your lookin for Air superiority/ground attack fighters go for the F-19 Raptor. It's the USA's main aircraft for both these roles, and can out fly and out shoot anything in the air. Plus currently their working on a limited stealth capability version of it, so in PMT you could have a stealth version.

Phoenix Dynamix Aircraft (http://phoenixdynamix.proboards38.com/index.cgi?board=Aircraft)
For an Air superiority fighter, I reccomend the F-27 haste or the F-3 Firecat(Naval)
For a Strike aircraft, I reccomend the A-39 Firefox Attack Aircraft or AV-28 Wraith ESTOVL Attack Aircraft (Naval)
Anti-submarine Helicopters, The SH-66 Dolphin III would be good or the AH-220 Sea Lion
AWACS, EC-14 Donkey or E-1 Diamond(Naval)
Airlifters, C-15 Nova, heavy strategic airlift

The problem with that lot is that thir rareer and more expensive than the F-19. And to be honest there not signifigantly better at their specialised roles, but are then crap at anything else.

Where is the link to the F-19?
The fighter and strike aircraft I have recommended are actually all multi-role aircraft.

F-19? I thought the Americans called it the F-22...
Asking Europeans about American stuff isn't the best of ideas...

Kinda like asking Americans about Russian/Soviet stuff...
See also MiG-27 and the 'Flanker' series.

Mostly doing RL upper performers.

Close Air Support Craft:* A-10, Su-25, MiG-27K
Tactical bomber (penetrator): F-117, F-111, B-1B, B-2, Tu-160, Su-34
Strategic Bomber (bomb truck)*: B-52, Tu-95, Avro Vulcan
Anti-submarine Helicopters: Any helicopter with winch, long endurance, and a torpedo.
AEW + AWACS: Look into airships

Interceptors:**
Point: MiG-29, F-35
Long-range: MiG-25/31, Su-35, F-22

Airlifters:**
Strategic, long range: C-141, An-22, C-5, An-124
Tactical STOL: C-130J, C-17, An-70
Super-heavy: An-124
Paratrooper's dream: An-22

*(there is little reason to side with NS grade in this catagory)

**Common NS grade improvements:
Interceptors: Range, armarment, manuverability, avionics/radar Supercruise (don't buy planes that list their endurance cruising speed as supersonic)
Airlifters: STOL capability, capacity, and range at expense of maintnance and mass.

Air superiority fighters
Strike aircraft (Or ground attack or whatever you call them). A wide selection of them out there, everyone considers it his duty to do one as his first design.
I would suggest buying something designed in 2008 or at most 2007, not earlier, since most aren't too good.
Here - http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=2656 - is a great low-PMT or high-MT multirole fighter, although often overlooked. Can be bought here:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=380088

That might be too technical, however.

Anti-submarine Helicopters. Real-life ones, mostly. Very few good designs, all very similar to RL ones.

Awacs.
Airlifters.
Stick with real-life stuff, or choose whatever you like. I'm not sure if anyone even designs these apart from basically copying a real-life design.

You can get some in the store I linked, but it's really just a matter of convenience.


I don't have "high-end" designs at the moment, but anyway, maybe you would like this one for something, since its design can really be understood by a normal person:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13693530#post13693530

F-5M, a very cheap, but well performing plane. It can be converted into an unmanned combat vehicle or used as a trainer, if it's too unreliable for use as a fighter.



AEW + AWACS: Look into airships These are niche stuff... not too good, too slow, too vulnerable.
(don't buy planes that list their endurance cruising speed as supersonic) Correct, it's a sign that the designer is a newbie.

BTW, another fighter you might like:

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=2394

This is high-MT as well, reasonably advanced, with... relatively... easy to read writeup and some pics.

(don't buy planes that list their endurance cruising speed as supersonic)
Correct, it's a sign that the designer is a newbie.

Although it is possable if the plane is a special design involving ramjets/scramjets as a sustainer and an even less efficient rocket motor for boost to cruise speed/altitude.

But then the designer must make some rather hefty concessions. The kind in which a clever person would make great note to exploit their disadvantages. As they'd generally be deathtraps in combat.

Oh, right, and planes are either VTOL capable or not. Though there are certain loading constraints to keep the plane balanced and retain a 1:1 thrust ratio or better.

BTW, another fighter you might like:

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=2394

This is high-MT as well, reasonably advanced, with... relatively... easy to read writeup and some pics.

This seems like it would be a good design, Just have to wait until you guys finish it up.

occ: are you looking for only manned aircraft or would you want to take a look at unmaned aircraft? i have both in stock. and are you also looking at carrier based or both.

Both, prefer manned aircraft but unmanned would be interesting. Not looking for carrier craft as of yet but the time will come.

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If not Draftroom approved please don't bother, it needs to work people, thank you.

This seems like it would be a good design, Just have to wait until you guys finish it up.
It's pretty much complete, he just didn't create a separate thread, so "WIP" stayed in the title.
I'm not sure where the storefront is, but that will be solved soon.


Both, prefer manned aircraft but unmanned would be interesting. Not looking for carrier craft as of yet but the time will come.
If you're interested in armed UAV, then F-5M might actually be very effective. It lacks reliability and durability, designed to be expendable, for intense training, but I also had future UAV modification in mind. Of course, it would be remotely piloted, AI isn't good enough in MT to work.
But then as UAV, it's pretty interesting - there's a large optical system instead of radar, a plus for remote control; there's good performance, so it's easy to control and useful; and there's simplicity and mass production, so it's cheap.

I'll make an UAV version in an hour if you're interested.

Important message
If not Draftroom approved please don't bother, it needs to work people, thank you.

Ah, so that disqualifies half my storefront by default, not because they failed for approval, but because they weren't submited during the design stages and I was too lazy to run them through the meatgrinder after-the-fact.

Though most of my stuff is unspectacular (conventional) enough it really didn't need much approval besides spectating price/quality and how performance figures were tweaked ICly.

Although Leafanistn's recent attempts to run his designs through NSD has forced me to follow-suit. Since technically both countries are in a global arms race/cold-war. Kinda funny what our paradies of each others designs ultimately look like, his CFR-07 Rifle and 556-PDW revolver for example.

Though I should really start selling some of his stuff on my front to get back at him for selling my stuff on his. Although I'm pretty sure his HT-101 series is so modified I can't really claim credit for it anymore, still it is nice to know the design arms almost a quarter of the CA with armored vehicles, followed by Lyras's LY-219 Ironhearts and Blackhelm's Mercury's...

Here is the ASF I've suggested:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=554394

It's just finished, and is quite good. Positioned as ASF, with some multirole capability.

Here is the ASF I've suggested:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=554394

It's just finished, and is quite good. Positioned as ASF, with some multirole capability.

And I can't order it becuase i'm not a democratic nation.

Ah, so that disqualifies half my storefront by default, not because they failed for approval, but because they weren't submited during the design stages and I was too lazy to run them through the meatgrinder after-the-fact.

Though most of my stuff is unspectacular (conventional) enough it really didn't need much approval besides spectating price/quality and how performance figures were tweaked ICly.

Although Leafanistn's recent attempts to run his designs through NSD has forced me to follow-suit. Since technically both countries are in a global arms race/cold-war. Kinda funny what our paradies of each others designs ultimately look like, his CFR-07 Rifle and 556-PDW revolver for example.

Though I should really start selling some of his stuff on my front to get back at him for selling my stuff on his. Although I'm pretty sure his HT-101 series is so modified I can't really claim credit for it anymore, still it is nice to know the design arms almost a quarter of the CA with armored vehicles, followed by Lyras's LY-219 Ironhearts and Blackhelm's Mercury's...

Well if its generally a good desing then it doesn't have to be approved by draft room, it just needs to do what it says it can do... Now that I think about I still have to finish that military thread.



Also I'm hunting for a good troop and equipment transport vehicle, something like the Humvee but better, this is just a side request this is still looking for good NS origin aircraft

Also I'm hunting for a good troop and equipment transport vehicle, something like the Humvee but better, this is just a side request this is still looking for good NS origin aircraft

General purpose fast-hauler, scout-car, fast attack vehicle, or armored taxicab?

My FMA-6B, has some 'bugs' in the specs, mostly because I scaled-up wieght and dimensions exponentially while only scaling the powerplant linearly. IRL such a problem would have been promtly fixed.

The upside is they all be military surplus, though I'm kinda working on a much-improved and redesigned 'C' model. Which is going through NSD. I just need to pick an engine that works (not too weak, not too heavy) and re-calculate fuel consumption and maximum airspeed. The fact that I moved the engine to the rear doesn't help in ease of design.

I'm strongly considering an engine based on the A-S Double Mamba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Siddeley_Double_Mamba) due to the fact that I can completely cut out part of the engine (reducing effective SHP) to conserve fuel, followed by an in-air restart. The cartridge ignition is also pretty EMP-proof... Or I could use the old "hand crank" method.

The FMA is also big, somewhere between an B-25 and a TBM Avenger. In more modern terms, between an A-4 Skyhawk and F-16 Falcon.