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me and Greal decided, since he hadn't had a change to fight be in The Ryou-Roman War, to have a war. HT wanted to ally with Greal and just for Greal to know, HT might have sent him a TG.

But for me to pick a Ally, I am going to pick one (Since this war will be a two-vs-two War) to be my ally for the war.

How to sign Up as a posable ally.

Name of Nation:
Name of Ruler:
how many People?:
How Strong is your Economy?:
How Good is Your military?:
Did you ever fought a war Before?:
Reason to ally with me:

I shall pick the lucky ally, only one can be my ally, if you are not to my likeing (like saying "I was to N00k Greel to bit 101010101.") then I will be like Donalld Trump........

"You're fired"

HT = Our beloved Hurtful Thoughts?

HT = Our beloved Hurtful Thoughts?

Wrong HT, Hyperspatial Travel is the one I am talking about (He is getting into MT to see how it is like.)

bump

Someone better ally him, I could easily crush Ryou :D

Remember, Greal, if you ever get attacked, our MDP binds us.

HT = Our beloved Hurtful Thoughts?Wrong HT, Hyperspatial Travel is the one I am talking about (He is getting into MT to see how it is like.)

Ah, thanks for clearing that up...
I get the two confused at times...

Which is one of many more reasons why I avoid RPing in FT like the plauge.
But now that h's moving into MT/PMT, I see my life could take some interesting turns when he or myself see "ATTN: HT" again...

Besides, making a secret alliance behind Antigr's back entirely by TG sounds like something I'd do for the lulz.

I may even ally with RBI, also for the lulz, of an MT RP with two HTs.
Besides, it's just Greal... <--Sarcastic

I shall pick the lucky ally, only one can be my ally, if you are not to my likeing (like saying "I was to N00k Greel to bit 101010101.") then I will be like Donalld Trump........

"You're fired"

I resent something like my name being used in this post.

Also Ryou, You have come out of civil war not to long ago, 2 or 3 other major wars, and your fighting one now. How in the hell are you going to fight another one?

(Since this war will be a two-vs-two War)


man....i guess that means we (The Hegemony) cant get involved.

Name of Nation: The United Aquatic Race of Golugan
Name of Ruler: Imperial Council of the Ten Schools
Population: 3.467 billion
GDP / per capita: $102,677,351,793,130.84 / $29,615.62
Military Strength: Untested FT with $1,043,525,990,070.45 budget
Experience: None in warfare, but enough in RP to know how to avoid godmodding.
Motive: Learning about military tactics, establishing presence in the galaxy as a military power.

Just ignore this if this isn't FT, as the name Hyperspatial Travel implies.

But for me to pick a Ally, I am going to pick one (Since this war will be a two-vs-two War) to be my ally for the war.

How can you limit the numbers in a war? Wars are never, never closed RPs, not even the Ryou/Roma war that you tried to make closed ended up being closed.

Also, Hyperspatial Travel wasn't using FT in the Ryou/Roma war, so I'd assume that he was MT for whatever reason.

HT = Our beloved Hurtful Thoughts?

You silly. Hurtful Thoughts is PROHT! :D

How can you limit the numbers in a war? Wars are never, never closed RPs, not even the Ryou/Roma war that you tried to make closed ended up being closed.

Also, Hyperspatial Travel wasn't using FT in the Ryou/Roma war, so I'd assume that he was MT for whatever reason.

A good point. Who will be doing the attacking?

OOC Hmm.. I've always wanted to fight HT but can't think of a reason to other than the ole' raise the cross above heathen halls and all that, but that sort of runs out after so many uses. I also could not think of a reason for allying with RBI....

It's MT, as TRBI implies.

Name of Nation: People's Republic Of Hurtful Thoughts

Name of National Ruler: Leader Milo
Name of Military Leader: Hubert Pinkerton
Name of Head of Military Intellegence Agency: Barney Gumbal; Central Hurtian Intellegence Agency
Name of Primary PMC provider: Mendez; Hurtful Outcomes Incorporated

how many People?: It's an '06 nation that has never been invaded, population capped in '07.
How Strong is your Economy?: Very resilient, either advanced MT or backwoods early PMT.
How Good is Your military?: Short form: Griffencrest nightmare
Did you ever [RPed] a war Before?: Yes, awhile ago, a few minor skirmishes since then.
Reason to ally with me: Um... I love you?

It's MT, as TRBI implies.

Name of Nation: People's Republic Of Hurtful Thoughts

Name of National Ruler: Leader Milo
Name of Military Leader: Hubert Pinkerton
Name of Head of Military Intellegence Agency: Barney Gumbal; Central Hurtian Intellegence Agency
Name of Primary PMC provider: Mendez; Hurtful Outcomes Incorporated

how many People?: It's an '06 nation that has never been invaded, population capped in '07.
How Strong is your Economy?: Very resilient, either advanced MT or backwoods early PMT.
How Good is Your military?: Short form: Griffencrest nightmare
Did you ever [RPed] a war Before?: Yes, awhile ago, a few minor skirmishes since then.
Reason to ally with me: Um... I love you?

A person is in a Room and looks at PROHT.

"you are Good for fighting in a war, even Though the thread won't start till sometime soon."

You're Hired!

Ah, thanks for clearing that up...
I get the two confused at times...

Which is one of many more reasons why I avoid RPing in FT like the plauge.
But now that h's moving into MT/PMT, I see my life could take some interesting turns when he or myself see "ATTN: HT" again...

I may even ally with RBI, also for the lulz, of an MT RP with two HTs.
Besides, it's just Greal... <--Sarcastic

Oh, bitchin'. Greal, I must be your ally. Imagine the wacky hijincks we'd get up to in these threads. And yes, I use this account for my MT incarnation as well, mainly because it's easier than starting a new, tiny account. My sig has information on what I play as in MT.

It's MT, as TRBI implies.

Name of Nation: People's Republic Of Hurtful Thoughts

Name of National Ruler: Leader Milo
Name of Military Leader: Hubert Pinkerton
Name of Head of Military Intellegence Agency: Barney Gumbal; Central Hurtian Intellegence Agency
Name of Primary PMC provider: Mendez; Hurtful Outcomes Incorporated

how many People?: It's an '06 nation that has never been invaded, population capped in '07.
How Strong is your Economy?: Very resilient, either advanced MT or backwoods early PMT.
How Good is Your military?: Short form: Griffencrest nightmare
Did you ever [RPed] a war Before?: Yes, awhile ago, a few minor skirmishes since then.
Reason to ally with me: Um... I love you?

We all love each other right?

OOC:
Greston
You know we all love you.
:fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

How can you limit the numbers in a war? Wars are never, never closed RPs, not even the Ryou/Roma war that you tried to make closed ended up being closed.



this Time I will have it Mod enforced. anyone who are Not Me, Greal, PROHT or HT will be asked ONCE to remove their post, if they don't, I will ask the Mods to do it.

OOC:
Greston
You know we all love you.
:fluffle::fluffle::fluffle::fluffle:

*turns computer off and runs*

If you attack Greal, I'll have to retaliate due to our MDP.

Please, nobody touch my real estate in Greal.

this Time I will have it Mod enforced. anyone who are Not Me, Greal, PROHT or HT will be asked ONCE to remove their post, if they don't, I will ask the Mods to do it.

That's kind of a bummer, and I'm not entirely sure the mods would be on your side there, especially if you're the type to get boo'd out of IRC. >_>

I really want to come in on the side of Greal, especially once my 'bots are up and running. :p

*turns computer off and runs*

OOC:
Greston
Hmmz. Did I scare ya? haha

If you attack Greal, I'll have to retaliate due to our MDP.

me and Greal Agreed to a MT War, Two vs Two.

Hyperspatial Travel also want to fight me, since the two didn't get to in The Ryou-Roman War. So I thought that After a few non-war RPs, I will give them a Chance to have a war with me.

PROHT: How do you keep people you don't want in a Closed RP out?

me and Greal Agreed to a MT War, Two vs Two.

Hyperspatial Travel also want to fight me, since the two didn't get to in The Ryou-Roman War. So I thought that After a few non-war RPs, I will give them a Chance to have a war with me.

PROHT: How do you keep people you don't want in a Closed RP out?

Ignore cannon barrage.

Or I'll declare war on them for trying to ruin the honor of battle.

Ignore cannon barrage.

Or I'll declare war on them for trying to ruin the honor of battle.

I like you.

If PROHT decides to Drop out, you can take his place as my ally. You are hear by PROHT's back up

Name of Nation: People's Republic of Kak Khemet
Name of Ruler: General Nthato Motlana Mbutu Kamiri Je Nubo Koro III
how many People?: 1,350,000,000
How Strong is your Economy?: Frightening
How Good is Your military?: Highly advanced and very large for the nation's size; technologically advanced air force, large and well-fitted Army, carrier task force-centered Navy, Marines, anti-ballistic missile system, laser research, and other prototype weapons
Did you ever fought a war Before?: Yes. We successfully defeated Nobamba in a regional conflict over 600 years ago in an epic spear-battle on the plains of Karain. Today? We enslaved Crimmond and defeated their massive armed forces, while holding Gholgoth and allies back with light infantry deployed by airliners.
Reason to ally with me: Surefire way to win a war, especially against such a low-tech opponent as Greal. We are also a large arms producer using the state-owned Royal Karain Export Industries, developing advanced fighter aircraft, tactical trucks and vehicles, air defense systems, light arms, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, etc. We are willing to offer massive defense exports in addition to actual military aid.

If you attack Greal, I'll have to retaliate due to our MDP.
Define "Attack", "retaliate" and "Greal" please...
What if one of his own white elepant slips on a banana peel and kills the king?

Well, it wouldn't happen like that... just trying to find a loophole big enough for me to shove a bullet through...

Failing that, propoganda, and lots of it, one leaflet shoved through the cracks at a time.

PROHT: How do you keep people you don't want in a Closed RP out?
Write 'closed' on the title, and don't treat the spam of others seriously.
Oddly, I've had the opposite problem, getting people I want into an open RP...*

I thought it was 'hereby' or 'henceforth'... meh, old english literacy is overrated...

Now I need a 'real' reason to fight Greal...
I suppose making a stand on furballs is enough...
I suppose I'll have to start treating them as equals, darn...

If any hostile force lands in Greal, then I will retaliate. You can't close a nation off to the world; it makes no sense. Besides, he's in the same region as I am.

True :headbang:

Any ideas?

Honestly, we're looking for any excuse to bring a crusade of civilization to Ryou. If someone strong attacks it, and we've got a fairly good chance of attacking with little negative repercussion, you can bet we'll join in.

We're incredibly civilized you see. Anyone who is uncivilized deserves to have civilization shoved down their throats... or die.

We're howling barbarians with a convoluted sense of honour that doesn't at all fit with any other definition out there, and if people violate it, we're more than happy to smack them over the head with whatever comes to hand.

I can sense conflict.

^_^

[OOC: Well, you just can't come sailing along to Greal without passing through the waters of Stok, HOB, Me and Beatus, as well as Yanitaria and Aissur. So, how are you planning to get past us for RP purposes?]

And I'm INSIDE Greal. Having a war surrounding me would feel pretty uncomfortable for my civilians.

To prove it, here's a map to the Novus Universitas Map: http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/NovusUniversitas.png

And I'm INSIDE Greal. Even though you can evade me, my citizens would be pretty freaked out and worried. I would have to RP something, like evacuating at least.

Still needing an ally?

Besides, making a secret alliance behind Antigr's back entirely by TG sounds like something I'd do for the lulz.

Do you know what it's like to be punched in the face? Really hard?

Do you know what it's like to be punched in the face? Really hard?

Like getting beamed with a D-cell maglight to the forhead?
That guy couldn't stand for a good half-hour...

@Oily prata: Do you accept bribes?

I also recall hearing that a hostile force has to land in Greal for it to count as invasion.
Sounds like a job for the Five Points Militia.
Which isn't a country.

So TLA can jump in as the ally, I'd merely be some sub-contracted hitman to kill the Archi-Dukey of the Ostriches. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lj_ZqkH6C0) I can pin the blame on the GRRF.

I'd have to get some AR-550s (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11575172&postcount=466) though...
Or I could drop a 3 or 4 man strike team via a Y-5 and hope for the best.
Unit P34 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13221440&postcount=48) good enough?

*gets maglite*

We're howling barbarians with a convoluted sense of honour that doesn't at all fit with any other definition out there, and if people violate it, we're more than happy to smack them over the head with whatever comes to hand.

I can sense conflict.

^_^

Haha, possibly. I want to get my tech up before I do anything too major.

I could invade him, I need to brush up my offensive skills

Lets get it over with, Ryou, how about I invade you?

Lets get it over with, Ryou, how about I invade you?

I think you should wait awhile till I Rebuild from The Supervolcano and MegaTsunami.

and also I am trying to rebuild alliances. since ICly I was kicked out of The Stevidian Empire for the whole Roma V thing. It was Valtican that started it.

I think you should wait awhile till I Rebuild from The Supervolcano and MegaTsunami.

and also I am trying to rebuild alliances. since ICly I was kicked out of The Stevidian Empire for the whole Roma V thing. It was Valtican that started it.

Well, now is the perfect time for invasion, your country is in chaos. :D

Well, now is the perfect time for invasion, your country is in chaos. :D

And you will get dogpiled, and I am not talking about Stevid.

When I was Hataria, I attacked a nation that was week after a Earthquake..........bad mistake. over 14 nations attacked me for it, so I had to make a treaty with them.

When a Nation is hit with Disaster, DON'T ATTACK! you live longer.

Ah, so that's why you did it.

Whelp, if Greal attacks I'm helping him anyway.

Ryou: we could keep it semi-closed, they would have to TG you for approval.

Ryou: we could keep it semi-closed, they would have to TG you for approval.

I can't see how he could possibly abuse that.

and also I am trying to rebuild alliances. since ICly I was kicked out of The Stevidian Empire for the whole Roma V thing. It was Valtican that started it.

You can't blame him when you took it to the extreme of invading me for his comments. You could've easily ignored his insults and been the better man by walking away. However, just like he wanted you to, you were lured in to invading a neutral nation to get to him.

Thing could've gone a lot worse for you though if you didn't call for the cease-fire.

OOC: No. Socialist countries do not accept bribes.
Of course, an invasion is loosely termed as a force other than the forces friendly to the nation step foot onto said nation without permission.

I made Greal's flag and roundel, and I think Ryou's spelling and grammar is terrible, so if he attacks Greal, I'll throw some defensive help Greal's way.

[OOC: Well, you just can't come sailing along to Greal without passing through the waters of Stok, HOB, Me and Beatus, as well as Yanitaria and Aissur. So, how are you planning to get past us for RP purposes?]

Two words: West coast. (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/NovusUniversitas.png)

Two words: West coast. (http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/NovusUniversitas.png)

His fleet will be detected though if he entered my waters

Pfft
I'm just going to watch this anyways. I'm sure that once Ryou starts to lose he'll think of something to just force his way out of this RP, even if he starts it.

*Notes that Greal just bought DPRs for pretty much every weapon by DMG*
IIR/Thermal has its failings. (http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/IRDetection.asp)
And now'd be a bad time for me to say that I've been kinda itching to see how I'd fare against DMG's weaponry.

Just the OOC, ICly chances are we'd think you're still a backroads genocidal nation that just happens to be an ally from time to time. (IE: DMG weapons would give a nasty unexpected surprise initially, but since weapons and doctorine in PROHT revolves around countering such weapons, it'll hurt you in the long run.)

Plus I'm reminding everyone early on that thermal scopes != Immune to nightime attack.

So, is this starting or what?

It would be VERY weird if somebody invaded Greal and prevented all of the region members from doing anything, since, well, we're regionmates and can intervene at any time.

That was rather random.

No it wasn't, if you said it in the first thread to show up however would be so.......

It would be VERY weird if somebody invaded Greal and prevented all of the region members from doing anything, since, well, we're regionmates and can intervene at any time.

That was rather random.

Not really any more random than my post.

Kinda found a way or three around that, though I don't think Greal is interested in that kind of kinky stuff...

Though I do find the idea of using a minigun against TRBI's Nekoes rather enjoyable, people who buy that much into DMG designs tend to believe the advertisements more than common sense.

RP-wise, I'm out for Ryou's blood. If he so much as slightly weakens his position, I'll probably jump on him.

If I did anything else, it'd be silly.

RP-wise, I'm out for Ryou's blood. If he so much as slightly weakens his position, I'll probably jump on him.

If I did anything else, it'd be silly.

Well then, that just means this'll have to be done quietly and quickly with hardly anyone knowing or willing to admit to it ever happening...

How long would it take for you to mobolize? How long until you can get a sizeable and cohesive force to his shores (and not piecemeal so that a guy with an RPG and a jetski can sink your whole navy)?

Is it that hard to start a cold-war on NS because they wanna see their big guns go boom every 5 minutes? Just let TRBI and Greal spoon in the closet for five minutes FFS...

So resi, can you take a number and see how this unfolds rather than give thinly vieled IC threats through OOC? You've said it once already and that should be enough.

When has there ever been a "quiet" war? Especially sense the spy satellite was invented?

What would the the RP benefit to having a "quiet" war, anyway? Both sides want to make as much noise as possible so their allies see them and help out.

Besides that, violence sells newspapers. You can be damn sure the media would cover this, even if my government-integrated media somehow missed the massive naval deployment from Ryou's shores.

Granted, if Greal attacks Ryou, I'll notice it slower because I'm not really looking at Greal. Still, it's a little hard not to notice a naval bombardment, even from orbit.

*Notes that Greal just bought DPRs for pretty much every weapon by DMG*
IIR/Thermal has its failings. (http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/IRDetection.asp)
And now'd be a bad time for me to say that I've been kinda itching to see how I'd fare against DMG's weaponry.

Just the OOC, ICly chances are we'd think you're still a backroads genocidal nation that just happens to be an ally from time to time. (IE: DMG weapons would give a nasty unexpected surprise initially, but since weapons and doctorine in PROHT revolves around countering such weapons, it'll hurt you in the long run.)

Plus I'm reminding everyone early on that thermal scopes != Immune to nightime attack.

*Can't wait to use 20 inch guns on Ryou's helpless carriers*

Where is Ryou, I need more discussion with him.

Then it would be the other way around.

-You're not watching Greal, so how would you know he's being bombarded?
-If Greal was bombarding Ryou, then you'd see it.
-I'm the wildcard in this deck, and don't you forget it, I have no real reason to be allied with Ryou, no open IC discussion has occured for you to wiretap, and no plans have been corrisponded between anybody. Meaning Surprise attack of the unexpected randomness that is me.

-Spy satallites aren't Omnipotent intellegence gathering devices, they can't tell whether I'm coming, going, or holding, they can only see what is visable from their location with their sensors, there is no second confirmation pass in high-resolution until the next day or some other convient-for-me amount of time, and can't really tell who's forces they are unless somone left a rather large flag unfurled on the ground or is using a very distinct piece of large equipment. So useing that as a way of knowing all is kinda phail. I've tried it in my earlier times, it is made of phail in an RP.

-It'll still take you a rather long time for you to figure out what the hell is going on, then to call up your forces (because they can't be 100% ready at 100% of the time and still be a serious threat), then you'd have to procure, prepare, and load a whole $h!tload of boats, sail them a huge distance (with escort and hoping nothing goes wrong like pirates, privateers, or some other hostile navy intercepts you, I'm assuming you've made a fair number of enemies yourself), find a nearby friendly port and offload, regroup, then deploy.
All this time Greal, HT, TRBI and I are spooning in the closet like castrated rabbits in heat.

Considering that the region that Greal and I reside in is far, far to the east of everybody else, it will take a really, really long time for you to get to him. On the other hand, I'll just slip over a satellite and look at what is going on if word gets around (which it will, I can assure you that), and since Greal and I are "allied" with an MDP you'll see my men running about over there if you attack him.

For ME to get to him, or Ryou?

What if I've already got people nearby Greal?
Like east of him?
I'm pretty sure I have some 'friends' in the area.
'Quiet' is a fancy way of saying 'tiny'

Everyone is really getting the wrong idea that this war is going to be epicly huge...
The war immediately after, maybe, but not this one.

If all else fails, this could be an out of continuity 'what if' war...
Which would actualy make more sense than it does now...

Because if war really did break out, the STFA would invariably get involved as soon as news of Greal's soldiers raping and murdering Neko civillians hits the news.

Whether or not the news is real or imagined is besides the point, it just has to look/sound real...

We are all friendly to each other, but I'll be on guard *draws a list of suspects*

We are all friendly to each other, but I'll be on guard *draws a list of suspects*

Now that's unrealistic, you don't even know I'm on friendly terms with Ryou, in fact, all IC may point at quite the opposite conclussion.

Yes, HT, for you to get to Greal. Unless you have several hundred thousand men in San Castello, I doubt you are going to get there in less than a day RL.

(HT, San Castello is a microstate inside my nation)

Thre isn't really an opprotunity to be 'friendly' with SC, since he only made 10 posts.

But the way I see it, if I'm the aggressor, all you can do is react.
And if I do whatever I'm going to do without declaration, nay, even attempt to cover things up and sugar-coat things, I'll have that much more of a head start.

And so would Ryou.

The point being, if the 'war' can be "terminated" upon the conclussion of the agressor's head start on the defender's reaction times, then it could feasably remain closed for the duration of the war.

Reprecussions would of course follow very shortly afterwards. In which case it would merely be a few phone calls away from getting those furry alliances involved, so that I can herd some Ryou Neko refugees off to an island, train them as shock troops, and invade DMG followed by a breif tea-time as I wait for his city to starve, then I take over his country and nay, perhaps even the world!

Ryou would meanwhile be glassed, shattered, and rebuilt furry-free.

It would not be realistic to think that the members of the region could not be notified of the invasion of Greal and could not react before you successfully conclude combat operations (this means eliminating all resistance). Therefore, the thread could not possibly remain closed to the members of the region. In fact, the members of the region (and Greal itself) could call around the world for aid instantly, the moment the invasion was noticed. The aid itself would not reach Greal instantly, but if a war was by that time going on between the rest of the region and the aggressor, there would be plenty of time.

Also, you used "nay" wrong.

My old english is admitably horrid.
Not all of us did well in grammar school, or even attended such a school.
I also misspelled 'brief'... Was mostly just too lazy to write 'maybe' or think of a proper synanymn.

An 'invasion' of four would only take five to one hundred eighty after initial contact...

I'm pretty sure you can't even hold even a board meeting in that amount of time.

If it made no sense, you're thinking in numbers that are too big for this RP.

Exactly what kind of invasion are you talking about? Battles can last for days, it takes days to move meaningfully-sized armies across countries, and the amount of time it takes to plan these things is much larger than "5 to 180" minutes.

Even surgical strikes to take out command centers or a small invasion just to capture the capital would leave out the larger amount of time that actually securing meaningful quantities of territory takes.

It's really disgusting how horny some of you guys are for a war, that you can't even honor an agreement between four nations to have fun. Hell, pulling realism into the agruement doesn't make much sense since using that agruement NS shouldn't even exist.

hell, going by realism, with the two events that just happened to TRBI he has basically ni military.. no more finacial support from the Holy Stevid empire and a natural disaster.. the guy is crippled!

Okay, I'm sorry. Sorry that I think it's more fun when people have a sense of responsibility about themselves regarding natural disasters they RP'd happening, sorry that I think people should be more realistic and in general attacking people because we think there are justifications for it (obviously making them up, but they are still have to be there) rather than just being frank jackasses and letting our insecure sense of one-ups-manship dictate our actions. Sorry that I think its more fun when people can make even regional alliances and MDPs that actually mean something, when being in a region means you can affect things in a region rather than being locked out from helping your neighbor because some asshole who won't let a war go forward (because the person he's fighting actually has allies) doesn't want to lose.

So yeah, I'm fucking sorry about that, didn't mean to hurt your sense of propriety.

Far as i'm aware the original intention was: a 2v2 CLOSED war

That would mean despite regional ties that it was 2v2. In II I'm sure closed means closed but hey.. im a guy returning after a few years, what do I know???

Hey, if the 4 people agree to it, I don't care. But demanding that from someone in the first place is a little dick, especially if one of the participants has a tendency to call in allies for help.

yes but since "the one" you are talking about wanted the 2v2 situation aren't you being a little "dickish"?

It6s not a demand either from what i know, its a request unless the black islands really was being a dick.

Okay, okay, cut out the expletives.

Basically, what we're saying is that there is no realistic way that RBI and his ally will be able to invade Greal without provoking a reaction from his region-mates. In a region specifically made to be tight-knit. HT has the advantage of superior numbers and weaponry, so it is only fair that this be regional. If you want, RBI can call another ally of his/her.

Hey, if the 4 people agree to it, I don't care. But demanding that from someone in the first place is a little dick, especially if one of the participants has a tendency to call in allies for help.

Someone better ally him, I could easily crush Ryou :D

If any hostile force lands in Greal, then I will retaliate. You can't close a nation off to the world; it makes no sense. Besides, he's in the same region as I am.

True :headbang:

Any ideas?

It seems Greal wants this more than Ryou, so please get out of the way.

I have better numbers? Lol... May want to look at how that country is structured.

Can I try and call Antigr?

Or we could try out of continuity 2v2 closed and then try an open freeform regional gangbang mess and compare resaults?

Oh, and nobody figured out why, I'm in on this so I can get me some furry refugees to exploit later on in another -upcoming?- RP...

Okay, okay, cut out the expletives.

Basically, what we're saying is that there is no realistic way that RBI and his ally will be able to invade Greal without provoking a reaction from his region-mates. In a region specifically made to be tight-knit. HT has the advantage of superior numbers and weaponry, so it is only fair that this be regional. If you want, RBI can call another ally of his/her.

In all fairness, I'm larger than Greal, HT and Ryou combined. Realistically, considering that Greal's about 500 million larger than Ryou, and I'm about four billion larger than HT, it's rather unfair towards Ryou's side, not Greal's. Even if his entire military was destroyed by the invaders within a day, and the invaders took zero losses, his side would still have the military advantage.

It really annoys me that it took this long to get back to this.
Then it would be the other way around.

-You're not watching Greal, so how would you know he's being bombarded?
-If Greal was bombarding Ryou, then you'd see it.
-I'm the wildcard in this deck, and don't you forget it, I have no real reason to be allied with Ryou, no open IC discussion has occured for you to wiretap, and no plans have been corrisponded between anybody. Meaning Surprise attack of the unexpected randomness that is me.

-Spy satallites aren't Omnipotent intellegence gathering devices, they can't tell whether I'm coming, going, or holding, they can only see what is visable from their location with their sensors, there is no second confirmation pass in high-resolution until the next day or some other convient-for-me amount of time, and can't really tell who's forces they are unless somone left a rather large flag unfurled on the ground or is using a very distinct piece of large equipment. So useing that as a way of knowing all is kinda phail. I've tried it in my earlier times, it is made of phail in an RP.

-It'll still take you a rather long time for you to figure out what the hell is going on, then to call up your forces (because they can't be 100% ready at 100% of the time and still be a serious threat), then you'd have to procure, prepare, and load a whole $h!tload of boats, sail them a huge distance (with escort and hoping nothing goes wrong like pirates, privateers, or some other hostile navy intercepts you, I'm assuming you've made a fair number of enemies yourself), find a nearby friendly port and offload, regroup, then deploy.
All this time Greal, HT, TRBI and I are spooning in the closet like castrated rabbits in heat.

I'm not using spy satellites as an excuse for omniscience, that'd be obvious wank. I have a spy satellite in geosynchronous orbit over Ryou - a pretty common thing in warzones. Therefore, if he launched ships, I'd notice a ton of ships leaving his shores before they even started the bombardment of Greal. I'm not watching Greal at all, therefore I'd have to wait for his ships to actually GET to Ryou before I noticed something was going on.

You can attack me if you want, that's fully within your abilities.

You're assuming, for no reason, that I'm not constantly watching Ryou. If his ships leave, I'll know whose ships they are. If ships arrive on his shores, I won't care whose they are.

Mobilization is a factor, but we've been ready to invade Ryou sense the last war. In fact, if it went on for one day longer we would have, so it's reasonable to assume we have the ships and aircraft prepped and ready to go. Naturally, we'd still have to prep the troops, but the mobilization time isn't as massive as it'd otherwise be.

Why would I ICly attack you? That makes less sense than attacking Greal, not much less, but less is less.
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Actually I assumed that geosynched orbit for spy satallites capable of taking useful recon wasn't practical (as per draftroom discussion), and thus simply did not consider it.

Resolution would seem to be 'poor' compared to those from Low-Earth Orbit, meaning it'd be pretty difficult to tell the difference between a truck, plane, or a piece of grit... not sure if submarines are too easily detected, but RL policy seems to claim that submarines are still hard to track via satallite...
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Plus, you didn't say anything about tracking fleet movements or a geosynched spy.
Granted, if Greal attacks Ryou, I'll notice it slower because I'm not really looking at Greal. Still, it's a little hard not to notice a naval bombardment, even from orbit.

But sure, I'll let that happen if you want me to let that happen. Though Ryou would be awfully annoyed to have a peeping tom parked over his airspace 24/7, and would undoubtedly try and shoot it down or have its orbit changed.
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It is reasonable that ou had your forces ready to storm the beaches at the end of the last war, but it is unreasonable to ask me to expect that same force to be just as ready an unspecified time afterwards and has been up until that point. True, ships can be earmarked and set aside for such 'big pushes', but if that push never comes, it becomes both an embarasment and an eyesore.

Your nation must really hate Ryou to shell out that kind of money...

Still, you're only watching Ryou (and a light bit of everyone else by LEO spies), and he could taunt and bait you by sending his entire fleet off on an excercise for 24 hours or just long enough to fully mobolize, pack your men into troopships like sardines, get 3/4ers of the way there, and return to port. Or, for more kicks and giggles, he could stage a military excercise with one of his allies... Or did you presume he doesn't have anybody anymore?

Note: I don't recall ever hearing of a geo-synched spy satallite being used by any RL superpower...
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And my IC population is around 3 billion, not 5.6... So HT is really 6 billion larger...
I kinda like those odds... Pretty sure Antigr won't...
His pop is ~4 billion, but he isn't a Ryou fan...
K... simple chart..
Ryou<Greal<PROHT<(Antigr)<HT

So unless I can pull something insanely clever and unexpected out of nowhere, and make it work even though everyone is expecting me to try and pull off some small miracle and trying their best to prevent it, Ryou is screwed as soon as he declares war.

And yes, if I attack HT I'm essentially raping myself with assistance.
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It still isn't too late to throw realism aside and go for "mudcruncher-opera" (not sure what the ground equivilent of a "space opera" is) and make it a closed 2v2 and throw out the resaults at the end, since this is just HT trying to see if the MT community can play to his liking...

Why would I ICly attack you? That makes less sense than attacking Greal, not much less, but less is less. 'Spose that was a bit of a mis-read on my part, my bad. Tired brain is tired.

Actually I assumed that geosynched orbit for spy satallites capable of taking useful recon wasn't practical (as per draftroom discussion), and thus simply did not consider it.Geosynched satellites can identify base defenses and troop locations. I'm sure it'd be able to see something like an aircraft carrier or a battleship.

Resolution would seem to be 'poor' compared to those from Low-Earth Orbit, meaning it'd be pretty difficult to tell the difference between a truck, plane, or a piece of grit... not sure if submarines are too easily detected, but RL policy seems to claim that submarines are still hard to track via satallite...
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Plus, you didn't say anything about tracking fleet movements or a geosynched spy.
My nation's always kind of pushing the tech barrier, it's what we are. Improved optics aren't that far off anyway.

I assumed you'd let me have "constantly watching Ryou" without having me go into details of how I'm doing it. :p

But sure, I'll let that happen if you want me to let that happen. Though Ryou would be awfully annoyed to have a peeping tom parked over his airspace 24/7, and would undoubtedly try and shoot it down or have its orbit changed.
Shooting down satellites is kind of a big thing, the Chinese JUST grasped the technology to shoot down a low-orbit satellite, and Ryou doesn't come across as especially advanced.

It is reasonable that ou had your forces ready to storm the beaches at the end of the last war, but it is unreasonable to ask me to expect that same force to be just as ready an unspecified time afterwards and has been up until that point. True, ships can be earmarked and set aside for such 'big pushes', but if that push never comes, it becomes both an embarasment and an eyesore.

Your nation must really hate Ryou to shell out that kind of money...I'm willing to give this to you, mostly because it's something my shortsighted leader would do - which is a fancy way of covering my ass OOC. :p

Officially, our military is kind of up in the air at this point, with robots replacing human troops. Naturally, I'll only invade MT nations with humans and MT, though.

Still, you're only watching Ryou (and a light bit of everyone else by LEO spies), and he could taunt and bait you by sending his entire fleet off on an excercise for 24 hours or just long enough to fully mobolize, pack your men into troopships like sardines, get 3/4ers of the way there, and return to port. Or, for more kicks and giggles, he could stage a military excercise with one of his allies...
I'm not going to mobilize until I see where he's going, exactly. I don't think I'm quite in the same neighborhood as Greal anyway, his geography looks more northern European, and I'm in the south Pacific. If he starts heading towards me, even if its a taunt, I could and probably would use it to establish his culpability in starting the war when I sent my troops to destroy his nation and didn't call them back for economic reasons.

If it wasn't for the fact that me and Ryou are already so badly outnumbered it isn't funny, I'd invite you into the RP...

Plus there's the entire issue of keeping the pace at a manageable level so that everyone doesn't have to resort to one liners...

I still think the best course of action is to close the closet door and let them spoon in peace.

Oh, and HT, chances are this RP will represent worst case scenario of an MT RP on II.
No reason in particular besides the OOC /B/-fest before the IC even started and the bad-blood involved.

On a positive note, at least we know what to expect to post ICly...

If it wasn't for the fact that me and Ryou are already so badly outnumbered it isn't funny, I'd invite you into the RP...

'Salright, I'll sit it out for the sake of causing less drama. Though I will grumble about it rather loudly. :p

'Salright, I'll sit it out for the sake of causing less drama. Though I will grumble about it rather loudly. :p

If this one goes well and smoothly, or heaven forbid Ryou somehow 'wins' (not sure how that's even possable, but I'm trying to work out a plan), we can reset the whole RP and let the dogpile commence.

If it turns into a flop, well, you'll may have dodged a bullet.

K, now here's the rule, this is for fun, so comedy, parodies, slapstick, mind-games, and practical jokes are encouraged. Mentally scarring each other for life is optional, and most likely will be used as a weapon.

And yes Greal, that means furry jokes are allowed so long as it isn't lewd or insulting.

If this one goes well and smoothly, or heaven forbid Ryou somehow 'wins' (not sure how that's even possible, but I'm trying to work out a plan), we can reset the whole RP and let the dog-pile commence.

I'm not sure there's any way you can actually guarantee that last bit will happen. Ryou might just take his victory, put on his headphones, close his eyes, and turn up the IGNORE soundtrack.

Well that wouldn't be fair...

Since this is HT's first RP in MT

I'm acting horridly out of character (I'd more likely side with Greal), and I'm pretty sure HT would like to side with Ryou.

Besides, the only way "the rest of the world" would agree to a closed thread with Ryou is if it was out of continuity and geography be damned. In other words, this war is to be retconned/IGNORED upon reaching its final conclussion, however, it may be extended/continued/expanded.

Thus, if things did go well for Ryou and myself (being that we'd be the aggressors in this scenario), it would give incentive to have another go 'for the record'.

In short, this'll be a war that won't appear in any NS-wiki history-books. Except maybe as a minor fotnote:

HT's first MT war RP: <title and link here>
HT vs HT war. (If that's going to be the title, then I'm leaving...)
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And besides, I'm going on an awfully big assumption that most of the people threatening to counter-invade Ryou are only going to do so if Ryou attacks Greal in continuity. Thus, even if he wins the scenario, but decides to not carry out the war ICly due to the NS situation, isn't that a good thing?

Unless I'm mistaken on everyone's integrety and you'all are just looking for a flimsy excuse to rape him, again.

Unless I'm mistaken on everyone's integrety and you'all are just looking for a flimsy excuse to rape him, again.

Don't count out this motive. I've never RP'd with him, and Gesford never seeks war anyway, so that's not my interest. But others...you may be right.

So everything is cool again?

Provided Ryou agrees that the war isn't in continuity (has no effect on country outside of closed 2v2 RP chain).

Sadly, this means I don't get to invade DMG with furry terrorists armed with blackpowder rifles....

Unless he agrees to it...

For simplicity, Ryou's war is a "What if" scenario, and a highly unrealistic one for the sake of fun. My planned invasion of DMG with furries would be a "What if^2" lulzfest, during which I'd expect nothing les than for DMG to wank so hard it causes brain damage, because it's funny.

I kinda wish we thought if this concept earlier, it's the best thing to hit RPs since "fluid time posting" and "Jolt time warps"...

OOC: Yes, an out-of-continuity closed RP with Greal is fine by me, as long as RBI dosen't go--
Blah blah blah I won the war blah blah blah I can't here you say it's OOC blac blah blah i'm IGNORING you!