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Miroxian Dictator, Durant Adams, stood from the dock of the Port Durant harbor as the navy was making the trip to the north. The army had had left in jeeps 2 hours ago. He then pulled out his phone and texted:

To The Empeor of Shazbotdom from Dictator Durant Adams: Miroxia

It has come to our attention that the United Royal Territories of Yanitaria have decided to wage war against Miroxia, and have decided to target your colony of Shazbotdom Miroxia. We please ask for you to help in our defence of our nation and your colony.

Thank you,
Dictator Durant.

With that he put away his phone…

Northern Coast, Shazbotdom Miroxia; 4/20/08
In about no time, Miroxian Naval Patrol Ships were at Shazbotdom Miroxia. After talking with a man at customs, Major Admiral Patrick Walden-Kernal led the ship to shore where the set up camp. It was about 5:00 pm and many boats were docked near the coast. Many small tents and huts were up in no time at all. A small HQ building (really an inflatable warroom) was set up in the center of the camp. Tanks and LandRovers would be arrving the next morning. Men were up and about doing things around the small army base they had constructed: jets taken by ship were being flown as test flights, tanks brought by sea were getting parked, and men were planning war games. Operation: Miroxian Defence was a go!

Patrick wandered into the warroom with some generals and admirals below his rank. They were toying with small figurines used in war. Patrick then pulled out a folder labled: "Operation: Miroxian Defence, the Complete and Ultimate Plans for Defence..." He then spoke up, "Listen here and listen good! Dictator Durant issued these plans. I have already looked over and editted them. All you need to do is prepare these plans. Hopefully when Shazbotdom forces come, the war will end..." They nodded in agreement as he left to check on other duties.

Port Durant, Miroxia; 4/20/08
The dictator got his report from Patrick saying all was good. His stress was gone by now and he was confident in both wars in which Miroxia was fighting: the Hurfdurfistani Civil War and Operation: Miroxian Defence. Now all he needed to do is fend off attacking Yanitarians and help religious Hurfdurfistani rebels win freedom in the communist state in which they live. He then phoned for Keneth as the assistant walked in. "Vah, surk?" he asked. "Keneth, please make it known in the Pacific Islands that Miroxia is under attack." Keneth nodded as he left. Durant had some paperwork to do an a war to stress about...

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OOC:

Coupla things:

1) You are not under attack yet. My submarines, which you have not RPed detecting, are still a day's travel away.
2) Its the United Royal Provinces of Yanitaria. Just a littlepetpeeve I have about incorrect naming.
3) I haven't attacked Shazbotdom Miroxia. I haven't done anything to them, in fact. I haven't even gotten close enough to your shore to target them. And even if I was, I would be attacking you, and leaving what ever colony they had alone.

And in any case, Shaz is much bigger than I am, so it's a bit unfair to bring him into the war, and then declare it closed. So either it's just us, or I get to call in allies as well. Would it be acceptable to bring in my allies from the Confederation of Scandinvan Protectorates? Really, I would just ask The Scandinvans (http://www.nationstates.net/the%20scandinvans) (linked for reference) to join in, since he expressed interest in a war RP before, which got a little dog pile-ish, and so I had to ask some of my allies not to join.

So yes, I think that would work out, Scand and I versus you and Shaz. If you find that acceptable as well, then I'll tg him. The thing is, though, that if I am going to bring an ally into it, I can't just allow my people to lose interest and pull out about half way through, so we will have to see this to the end.

Edit: Oh yeah, and I still need a map of your nation, with relevant data and such.

ooc:

your wish is granted. and we were expecting you to war with us, that's why we've set up base, but if you must, tell the Scadinvans they can help you.

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OOC: Still need a map, both of Miroxia and of Miroxia's general position in the pacific.

kk working on it now

http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee224/NarutoUzumaki1999/?action=view&current=Miroxia.jpg

Datium, a former nation, made this. I tweaked it a bit.

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OOC: Couple questions, I'll put it in this form so that way we can be sure they all get answered:

Are those your only cities?:
Where does Miroxia end and Shaz-Miroxia Begin?:
Aren't you suppose to be an Island?:
What is the terrain like in your nation?:
What is the coast like?:
Where is your nation in the pacific? As you know, the pacific is a big place, and this influences the amount of time it'll take ships to get there.:
What is the size of your military?:
Your navy?:
What ships will my subs and aircraft find before the invasion fleet arrives?:
Do you consider your NS page to be a correct representation of your nation?:

IC:

The twelve Shchuka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula_class_submarine) class submarines operating from Naval Station Echo 1 had split up into groups of two, and started hunting for the Miroxian fleets. The would operate at their maximum silent speed, and keep 120km away from any warship, outside the range of active sonar.

Meanwhile, the 6th, 7th, and 8th Royal Surface Groups, along with the Fifth and Sixth Armies, the 89th and 90th Airborne Divisions, and the Okhotsk Royal Air Command prepared to disembark from Okhotsk Island to make their attack on Miroxia.

Bombers from the 112th and 113th Strategic Bomber Groups took off from their Airports. The Da-34 Constellation bombers headed south to harass enemy shipping and

OOC:
Couple things real quick. There was a map with Miroxian land and how it was split up in the northern part for others to take (Link: HERE (http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/Cookesland/Flags/Miroxian-1.jpg)). Also note, that Shazbotdom Miroxia is itself an independant nation, just under the rule of the Shazbotdom Empire. They make their own laws but they have to follow the laws of the Shazbotdom Empire.

To attack him without attacking any of the other nations who have claimed territory on his island, you would have to come in from the North East, East, West, or South. Not directly from the North.

Also, i'm not sure if you have checked but I have a slight problem with bringing The Scandinavians into this. He is an old ally of mine from a debunked alliance...

OOC:
Couple things real quick. There was a map with Miroxian land and how it was split up in the northern part for others to take (Link: HERE (http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w107/Cookesland/Flags/Miroxian-1.jpg)). Also note, that Shazbotdom Miroxia is itself an independant nation, just under the rule of the Shazbotdom Empire. They make their own laws but they have to follow the laws of the Shazbotdom Empire.

To attack him without attacking any of the other nations who have claimed territory on his island, you would have to come in from the North East, East, West, or South. Not directly from the North.

Also, i'm not sure if you have checked but I have a slight problem with bringing The Scandinavians into this. He is an old ally of mine from a debunked alliance...

OOC: I wasn't going to attack your nation, I was simply coming in from the north, and was still a days sail away.

And I am a protectorate of Scand, so it'd really be a problem if you declared war on me. I haven't declared war on you, and until you do, I have no intention of invading your nation. You see, I am simply trying to stop a country that supporting a radical theocratic dictatorship. Until I saw your name in the title, I had no idea you'd be involved.

But since Miroxia has brought you into it, I am bringing in my allies into this as well, because otherwise this war is going to be heavily weighed towards your side. It would be impossible otherwise, with out turning all of our nations into nuclear waste zones.

OOC:
Well just a note. I already have the 8th HAVOC Naval Battlegroup in the region of Shazbotdom Miroxia. Miroxia was notified of that on the 13th of this month after The Ryou Black Islands notified the world that he would be creating an 'empire' again. The Ryou's and Shazbotdom have butted heads before and we didn't want them to invade our territories abroad.

So Yeah. There are about 176 Naval Vessels flying the Shazbotdom Flag already off the coast of Shazbotdom Miroxia and they would fire upon anything they feel threatens them. So I would stay about 300km away from Shazbotdom Miroxia or else be fired upon...

OOC:
Well just a note. I already have the 8th HAVOC Naval Battlegroup in the region of Shazbotdom Miroxia. Miroxia was notified of that on the 13th of this month after The Ryou Black Islands notified the world that he would be creating an 'empire' again. The Ryou's and Shazbotdom have butted heads before and we didn't want them to invade our territories abroad.

So Yeah. There are about 176 Naval Vessels flying the Shazbotdom Flag already off the coast of Shazbotdom Miroxia and they would fire upon anything they feel threatens them. So I would stay about 300km away from Shazbotdom Miroxia or else be fired upon...

OOC: Alright then, shouldn't be a problem. I haven't sent any surface ships yet, and my subs have orders to run silently and stay out of Active Sonar range.

ooc: is there any point to this "war?" YANITARIA JUST SAID THAT SUBS WERE GOING TO ATTACK SOON BECAUSE i HELPDED IN THE hURFDURF ISTANI CIVIL WAR...

(sorry for caps; didn't know it was on :headbang:)

OOC:
I'll make an IC post later today. It will drop a big bombshell on the whole situation. Prepare for anything and everything that can happen.
;)

OOC:
Also. I read over the Scandinavian Protectorates sign-up thread and no where on there does it say you can call him in when you are the would-be aggressor. It says you can call him in if your being invaded and/or aggressed upon, but not when you are the one who initiated the conflict.

Just a note: I dispatched a IC Telegram to The Scandinavians in reguards to this.

OOC: Miroxia is the aggressor. I am defending the sovreignty of Hurfdurfistan by cutting off a major supplier of weapons to the rebels. And Miroxia, you are incorrect. I said my subs are looking for targets. The planes will attack them, the subs are just going to follow them.

OOC: Perhaps I can help. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=554611) The thread's still young, so it shouldn't be hard to figure out what happened.

OOC: Miroxia is the aggressor. I am defending the sovreignty of Hurfdurfistan by cutting off a major supplier of weapons to the rebels. And Miroxia, you are incorrect. I said my subs are looking for targets. The planes will attack them, the subs are just going to follow them.

OOC: Just saw this and have a question. Yani, are you going to actually invade Miroxia, or just prevent him from supplying the rebels? An invasion would be a little much, and would warrant one's allies coming to their aid. A blockade of some sort (around Hurfdurfistan, NOT Miroxia) might not be so provocative.

OOC: Gesford, man, I'm not seeing what that would accomplish tbqh.

OOC: Miroxia is the aggressor. I am defending the sovreignty of Hurfdurfistan by cutting off a major supplier of weapons to the rebels. And Miroxia, you are incorrect. I said my subs are looking for targets. The planes will attack them, the subs are just going to follow them.

OOC:
Miroxia wasn't aggressive against you. He is aiding rebels in a nation not even related to yours. By you declaring war upon him when his people (see the thread in question) are seeking peace with the Government of Hurfdurfistan, you are now the aggressor in the conflict.

OOC:
Miroxia wasn't aggressive against you. He is aiding rebels in a nation not even related to yours. By you declaring war upon him when his people (see the thread in question) are seeking peace with the Government of Hurfdurfistan, you are now the aggressor in the conflict.

OOC: Incorrect. First, Hurfdurfistan is related in that his nation is democratic, and his rebels are Theocrats. The "Norheim Doctrine" requires that any democratic nation seeking to fight the powers of totalitarianism and theocracy should be aided in any way possible. Very similar to the RL "Monroe Doctrine" which, while isn't a law, ensures for the independence of nations meeting certain parameters.

Second, I hadn't read the peace talks, until just now, and I have agreed to start peace talks with Miroxia. I have recalled my bombers and promised to do the same with my ships once Miroxia agrees to meet with Commodore Fost.

OOC: Incorrect. First, Hurfdurfistan is related in that his nation is democratic, and his rebels are Theocrats. The "Norheim Doctrine" requires that any democratic nation seeking to fight the powers of totalitarianism and theocracy should be aided in any way possible. Very similar to the RL "Monroe Doctrine" which, while isn't a law, ensures for the independence of nations meeting certain parameters.

Second, I hadn't read the peace talks, until just now, and I have agreed to start peace talks with Miroxia. I have recalled my bombers and promised to do the same with my ships once Miroxia agrees to meet with Commodore Fost.

OOC:
It may say that in your doctorine, but you must understand this.

The point remains that he didn't declare war against YOU until YOU made a move against him. That would make you the aggressor against him.

ICly, I have updated my Wiki to the point when I was notified of this little conflict. I will not add to it until there is an IC Decision by all involved as to what will happen, and that will most likely not happen until both You and Miroxia talk it out, and The Scandinavians responds to my Telegram.

Until then, ICly my military forces in and around Shazbotdom Miroxia are still preparing to defend their land.

OOC:
It may say that in your doctorine, but you must understand this.

The point remains that he didn't declare war against YOU until YOU made a move against him. That would make you the aggressor against him.

ICly, I have updated my Wiki to the point when I was notified of this little conflict. I will not add to it until there is an IC Decision by all involved as to what will happen, and that will most likely not happen until both You and Miroxia talk it out, and The Scandinavians responds to my Telegram.

Until then, ICly my military forces in and around Shazbotdom Miroxia are still preparing to defend their land.

OOC: You understand this:

I made the move when he decided to but into the affairs of an unrelated nation.

I have Casus Belli in that I am defending Hurfdurfistan and trying to bring democracy to Miroxia. He doesn't have Casus Belli at all, since he is supporting the Totalitarian rebels.

So in my mind, I am totally justified in invading.

OOC: You understand this:

I made the move when he decided to but into the affairs of an unrelated nation.

I have Casus Belli in that I am defending Hurfdurfistan and trying to bring democracy to Miroxia. He doesn't have Casus Belli at all, since he is supporting the Totalitarian rebels.

So in my mind, I am totally justified in invading.

OOC:
Well. We will see. Me and Miroxia see it one way, you see it another. Lets wait till another long time member chimes in and has his say in this matter. As soon as Scandinavians gets in touch with me, i'll let you know what he says.

OOC: You understand this:

I made the move when he decided to but into the affairs of an unrelated nation.

I have Casus Belli in that I am defending Hurfdurfistan and trying to bring democracy to Miroxia. He doesn't have Casus Belli at all, since he is supporting the Totalitarian rebels.

So in my mind, I am totally justified in invading.

OOC: Miroxia and I are on pleasant terms and I have been reading this thread and I object to this.

He can support whomever he wants to, regardless of ideology. You don't have Casus Belli because he is justified in helping rebels.

Miroxia has democracy. It's like the US minus the legislature I believe.

You aren't justified in invading a SOVEREIGN state for doing something completely normal for a SOVEREIGN state to do.

SECRET IC:
SCENE: Shazbotdom Miroxian Shoreline
The 8th HAVOC Naval Battlegroup could be seen 3km out. The shoreline defences were being prepared as we speak. Gun emplacements were being assembled in the Bunkers that were built during the initial colonization of Shazbotdom Miroxia. Anti-Aircraft batteries were prepared as well as anti-shipping missile stations. Highly advanced radar systems could pick out birds and planes from the sky, easily distinguishing them from eachother.

Marines were doing their drills, preparing for anything that will happen.

SCENE: Mirok, Shazbotdom Miroxia
The city was preparing in it's own way for any conflict that will happen. Martial Law has been initiated across the countryside, and here in Mirok was no exception. People had to be in their homes at 10pm (-9 GST). Anyone caught outside their homes after 10pm would be taken into custody and then brought to their homes to ensure that they were safe indoors.

Anti-Aircraft batteries were activated along the outskirts of the city and on the tallest government-owned buildings. Any aircraft that was not given permission to enter the territory would be shot down on sight.

SCENE: TH-221
It began... Round the clock launches were occuring off of the Tempora Heroica-class Aircraft Carrier, and the other 9 of the same Class. The frigates began to shoot out Sonar Buey's off into the distance several thousand meters to highten the distance of the ships on board Sonar system.

Admiral James Tennison looked out the forward observation widow of the TH-221 and watched as the Guided Missile Cruisers began to take formation between the Frigates and the Tempora Heroica's. This would be the Admirals 10th Tour during his rank. He was a Veteran of the Shazbotdom Imperial Navy, serving 50 years and rising the ranks to where he is today. He's gone against Corporatists and Facists alike, always winding up with the same thing...Victory.

OOC: Miroxia and I are on pleasant terms and I have been reading this thread and I object to this.

He can support whomever he wants to, regardless of ideology. You don't have Casus Belli because he is justified in helping rebels.

Miroxia has democracy. It's like the US minus the legislature I believe.

You aren't justified in invading a SOVEREIGN state for doing something completely normal for a SOVEREIGN state to do.

The Pacific Isle Dictatorship of Miroxia

OOC: Yes, democracy. Obviously reflected in the name of his country.

So tell me, Dutch, how do you justify invading a nation on the side of totalitarian rebels who want to not only take away the freedoms of democracy, but religion as well? Yes, seems like a nice chap, this dictator of Miroxia.

If he is entitled to declare war on Hurfdurfistan, then invade (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13620587&postcount=2), then I am entitled to declare war on him and invade as well. Case closed.

OOC: Yes, democracy. Obviously reflected in the name of his country.

So tell me, Dutch, how do you justify invading a nation on the side of totalitarian rebels who want to not only take away the freedoms of democracy, but religion as well? Yes, seems like a nice chap, this dictator of Miroxia.

If he is entitled to declare war on Hurfdurfistan, then invade (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13620587&postcount=2), then I am entitled to declare war on him and invade as well. Case closed.

OOC:
Anyone can have anything in their title. I could have "The Oppresive Totalitarianism Dictatorship of" but still RollPlay my nation having the newly refounded Shazbotdom Imperial Parliament, which makes the laws for the entirey of my empire.

The Nation Page is for show, what is true is what how the person RollPlay's their nation.

OOC: Yes, democracy. Obviously reflected in the name of his country.

So tell me, Dutch, how do you justify invading a nation on the side of totalitarian rebels who want to not only take away the freedoms of democracy, but religion as well? Yes, seems like a nice chap, this dictator of Miroxia.

If he is entitled to declare war on Hurfdurfistan, then invade (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13620587&postcount=2), then I am entitled to declare war on him and invade as well. Case closed.

OOC: Very sarcastic for the medium of text, are we? I suppose The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is very Democratic and run by the people and that the Holy Roman Empire was very Holy and its capital was Rome. The point of this, seemingly unrelated sentence is that countries may style themselves how ever they want, it means nothing towards the inner workings of the country.

Oh well that is quite simple. He is merely supporting a group whom he believes would govern their country better than the current regime. States do this all the time and it is a natural occurence. YOU on the other hand is the one who is invading a nation for supporting rebels, instead of doing the sensible thing and supporting the current regime.

OK, let's take a little trip into an RL Hypothetic. Let's assume that the US declares war on Serbia and invades it in order to support Kosovo. Russia invades the United States. This is not justified because the United States did nothing to Russia, only to Serbia whose sovereignity over Kosovo Russia supports.

Now. Hurfdurfistan is Serbia. Miroxia is the US and you are Russia. See how it doesn't make sense? The scenario is a little different in that it is all of Hurfdurfistan as opposed to a section of Serbia but the principle remains the same.

And I do believe that the point was not a Casus Belli as you are still the aggressor because you are the one invading, not vice versa. Miroxia is the aggressor against Hurfdurfistan.

ooc: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=547428&highlight=Miroxia

My elections.

You, Yanitaria, invaded me. (I May be repeating stuff, bvut I don't give a darn!) I have seen my fault in Hurfdurfistan, and ambassadors are trying to comprimise between the 2 sides. Also, this war is now open. Anyway, Shazbotdom, Miroxia and (i don't know if true, but...) Uiri vs. Yanitaria. Can't we all make peace?

If war it must be, then let the guns of my people be the first to fire...

OOC: Dutch, that doesn't make sense because Kosovo isn't trying to take away the religious and political freedoms of Serbia. Of course your scenario makes sense, because you can spin it a certain way.

And I seem to remember a certain dutch country willing to go so far as support a total blockade and eventual amphibious assault of my nation for supporting rebels. Rebels that weren't crazy theocrats, to boot.

ooc: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=547428&highlight=Miroxia

My elections.

You, Yanitaria, invaded me. (I May be repeating stuff, bvut I don't give a darn!) I have seen my fault in Hurfdurfistan, and ambassadors are trying to comprimise between the 2 sides. Also, this war is now open. Anyway, Shazbotdom, Miroxia and (i don't know if true, but...) Uiri vs. Yanitaria. Can't we all make peace?

If war it must be, then let the guns of my people be the first to fire...

1) I didn't invade you. Yet.
2) I have already offered a peace table.
3) We had already decided to limit it to Shaz, You, Scand, and I. So either way Uiri is out, unless more of my allies can come in.
4) I already offered the peace table. I know this is also point 2, but I felt that it should be noted, since it seems to have been overlooked.

Just trying to get my point across...

Just trying to get my point across...

Alright, so lets get this peace talk over with. Just respond to my Foreign Minister agreeing to have your dictator meet my Commodore, and where his ship should surface.

OOC: Dutch, that doesn't make sense because Kosovo isn't trying to take away the religious and political freedoms of Serbia. Of course your scenario makes sense, because you can spin it a certain way.

And I seem to remember a certain dutch country willing to go so far as support a total blockade and eventual amphibious assault of my nation for supporting rebels. Rebels that weren't crazy theocrats, to boot.

OOC: Firstly, I don't care about ideology. Ideology matters for public opinions. In terms of Casus Belli it doesn't matter whether it is for democracy or dictatorship.

Secondly, I do believe that it was a blockade of the rebelling island and not your COUNTRY I supported. I think it was others who were going to attack your nation.

Thirdly, the ideology and what happened with Benelux are irrelevant. I haven't posted with Benelux for ages.

In closing, I bid you your peace talks. *disappears from thread*

OOC:
Alright

Seeing as I am involved in this then. What is the URL for the peace talks, if there are any. If not, then I will host them.

The peace talks are taking place in this thread, and the conditions I have demanded are that they be between the Miroxian Dictator and a Yanitarian Submarine commander in the area, and they are to take place at sea.

OOC:
Yanitaria. One person can't dictate where the peace talks are going to be. The place must be agreed upon by all parties involved. That means you, Miroxia, TS and myself. So until TS chimes in, we are at what is called a Stalemate.

Seeing as I was not directly threatened (only through hearsay) nor attacked, I would suggest one of my Tempora Heroica Aircraft Carrier's. Although you would have to come in by Helecopter, unless your pilots can land a plane on an aircraft carrier where the "flight deck" runs through the interior of the aircraft carrier.

If you don't wish to come in by aircraft carrier, I could fly you in on one of my AC-01 Pelican's.

It is your choice.

OOC:
Yanitaria. One person can't dictate where the peace talks are going to be. The place must be agreed upon by all parties involved. That means you, Miroxia, TS and myself. So until TS chimes in, we are at what is called a Stalemate.

Seeing as I was not directly threatened (only through hearsay) nor attacked, I would suggest one of my Tempora Heroica Aircraft Carrier's. Although you would have to come in by Helecopter, unless your pilots can land a plane on an aircraft carrier where the "flight deck" runs through the interior of the aircraft carrier.

If you don't wish to come in by aircraft carrier, I could fly you in on one of my AC-01 Pelican's.

It is your choice.

OOC: You do realize that a flight deck running through the interior of the carrier is impossible to land on under normal sea conditions, right? Someone suggested a similar design on the NS Draftroom, and had it thoroughly rejected by the general consensus of the draftroom naval experts.

In any case, I have made those demands because I am offering Miroxia an out, and because the URPY ICly does not consider Shazbotdom or The Scandinvans official participants yet. The offer for peace talks is only to Miroxia, and under the conditions I have specified. It is Miroxia's choice whether to accept those conditions, or continue with the conflict.

OOC: You do realize that a flight deck running through the interior of the carrier is impossible to land on under normal sea conditions, right? Someone suggested a similar design on the NS Draftroom, and had it thoroughly rejected by the general consensus of the draftroom naval experts.

In any case, I have made those demands because I am offering Miroxia an out, and because the URPY ICly does not consider Shazbotdom or The Scandinvans official participants yet. The offer for peace talks is only to Miroxia, and under the conditions I have specified. It is Miroxia's choice whether to accept those conditions, or continue with the conflict.

OOC:
The AC-01 Pelican is a vertical takeoff aircraft. What it does is hover at the back of the aircraft carrier and then slowly float in. So yes we did thik about that. And we modified the design after buying DPR's to accomidate our Thunderbolt aircraft. There are shifting waterjet stabalizers on the underside of the ship that keep it from rocking too much so that the Thunderbolt's can land safely.

That and our pilots go through extensive training in simulators and in real world situations. We have had only 10 unsuccessful landing on a Heroica. One of the pilots clipped his lower engines off the flight deck and ripped them off. He was flown back to the mainland and was in critical condition for a month and a half.

He got back into a pilot's seat only a year later and succesfully landed on the Herocia. Thats pritty much how I RP.



But, my offer still stands. I could always chopper you in through one of the three Helepads on the top.

OOC: Since you RP it like that, I have no problem with it.

But yes, until I hear from Scand, the URPY's official stance is that Miroxia is just making things up, and that we have no reason to fight a war with Shazbotdom. Our goal is to ensure that Miroxia doesn't support terrorists in the future, and such.

So until Scand says which side he is on, the URPY considers this a dispute between Miroxia and Yanitaria alone, since peace talks are underway with Hurfdurfistan.

Scandinvan Imperial Decree

Acknowledging the various conflicts and problems that would occur if the Scandinvan Empire became directly involved in the growing Miroxia crisis,

Realizing the strong and well founded relations that the Scandinvan Empire has with nations on both sides of the conflicts,

Standing firm to its loyal allies and friends of Yanitaria and Shazbotdom,

Harboring no ill will towards Miroxia or any other nation involved.

The Scandinvan Empire calls for the following things:

1. That all military forces stand down.
2. Miroxia and Yanitaria agree to a peace treaty for the time being.
3. That Yanitaria demobilize its armed forces heading towards Miroxian territory.
4. That Miroxia withdraw all support for any foreign rebel groups.
5. That all Miroxian troops not directly defending the interests of Miroxia be called home from abroad.
6. That the Empire of Shazbotdom and the Scandinvan Empire enforce the peace between Miroxia and Yanitaria.
7, That Yanitaria and Miroxia work together in order to create an agreement which will bring peace between them.

How about a peace confrence in the Miroxian confrence hall? All parties' leaders (Shazbotdom, Yanitaria, Scandivans, myself, and Uiri if he wants) would meet there. sound fair?

OOC: I would agree to Scand's agreement, only if the final peace talks take place as I specified before entering the agreement. Yanitarian ships will not be recalled until Miroxia meets that requirement.

And Miroxia, Uiri isn't involved in this conflict.

http://usera.imagecave.com/CaptainDeath/VariousShazbotdom/Government-Seal.gif
FROM THE OFFICE OF THE SUPREME EMPEROR
MR LARRY WILLIAMS
After much debate the Shazbotdom Empire will decide the fate of this matter in the way that we are now deciding the fate of anything that happens within the Shazbotdom Empire. We will pass this Resolution onto the Shazbotdom Imperial Parliament, of who which will debate and vote on it.

After the Votes go through from Both Houses of the Shazbotdom Imperial Parliament, it will come before me and I will Sign the Resolution.

Although, that may take a little while due to the Shazbotdom Imperial Parliament currently voting on a different Resolution. Expect a responce in the next 24 hours (48 hours at the most)

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OOC: How are you going to bump a topic, when I am waiting for your response? You still haven't responded to the offer I made before this topic was even started.

I'm bumping for Shazbotdom's reponse.

OOC:
I didn't expect it to get as busy at the store as it did. I'll work on drafting up a page on my Wiki and get a message posted here soon. Although it might not be a while as it's buyback time at the store. We go tbusy as hell getting ready for buy back and i'm not sure if i'll have major free time soon. This week is buyback and then over next weekend i'll be on a train heading to Illinois to visit mom from the 12th till the 17th, then i'll be back here on the 18th.

So just bare time with me.

OOC: If you guys want you can have the Peace Talks in Serenno, it's very close and currently neutral ground.

OOC: ICly, Yanitaria will invade Miroxia unless the dictator agrees to meet under Yanitarian terms. ICly, Yanitaria will not recognize any involvement of outside parties to what it considers an affair of only Yanitaria and Miroxia. The government feels that it has shown it's willingness to talk by recalling the bombers, and unless Miroxia intends to talk on our grounds, then the politicians will give no quarter, and make no concessions aside from a complete and total surrender of the Miroxian government.

OOCly, I am impatient, and will go ahead and start bombing Miroxia's capital in the next unless Miroxia just hurries up and accepts my offer for peace talks.

OOC: Well this can hardly be considered a solely Miroxo-Yanitarian Affair any longer. With a number of us having colonies/provinces in such close proximity we can hardly sit back and watch as a close neighbor is subjugated by an invading power.

OOC: Well this can hardly be considered a solely Miroxo-Yanitarian Affair any longer. With a number of us having colonies/provinces in such close proximity we can hardly sit back and watch as a close neighbor is subjugated by an invading power.

OOC: Well, Miroxia closed it, so, yes, I can consider it solely our affair.

In any case, I am giving Miroxia a shot at avoiding this. Whether he takes it or not is up to him, now.

OOC: Well, Miroxia closed it, so, yes, I can consider it solely our affair.

OOC: Apparently not as Uiri almost slid in under the radar, o Id say thtat currently debatably amoungst yourselves. *poof*

We will have peace talks. Where did you want them again?

OOC: Yanitarian submarine, between the captain and one guard, and your dictator and one guard.

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FROM THE OFFICE OF THE SUPREME EMPEROR
MR LARRY WILLIAMS
After a long and tedious deliberation within the Shazbotdom Imperial Parliament and a throughout vote, it has been decided that the Shazbotdom Empire will accept our Allies in The Scandinvan Empire’s decree.

Although as it now speaks, we are still keeping the 8th HAVOC Naval Battlegroup in the area of Shazbotdom Miroxia, but they will be ordered to go to DEFCON 4 standing and will discontinue with the drills that they are performing. Although we will still continue with the building of the coastal defenses of Shazbotdom Miroxia as they are in the 5 part plan for the security of the Colony. The 8th HAVOC Naval Battlegroup is there not only as a deterrence to the Ryou’s who have also recently expressed their desire to expand their empire, but also to serve as the main supplier for the weapons that will be used in the Coastal Defense Network for the Colony.

We will though be prepared to send a Delegation to the Yanitarian Submarine to enforce that the peace talks to smoothly, as well as there is no attempt to kidnap the leadership of Miroxia.


OOC:
I’ll write up a brief description of the Resolution that passed through both houses of the parliament and post it on my Wiki soon. I just figured that I should put this up when I have the chance. I wrote this mostly overnight and then after work today so if there are any discrepancies, tell me and I’ll fix it in an edit.

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FROM THE OFFICE OF THE SUPREME EMPEROR
MR LARRY WILLIAMS
After a long and tedious deliberation within the Shazbotdom Imperial Parliament and a throughout vote, it has been decided that the Shazbotdom Empire will accept our Allies in The Scandinvan Empire’s decree.

Although as it now speaks, we are still keeping the 8th HAVOC Naval Battlegroup in the area of Shazbotdom Miroxia, but they will be ordered to go to DEFCON 4 standing and will discontinue with the drills that they are performing. Although we will still continue with the building of the coastal defenses of Shazbotdom Miroxia as they are in the 5 part plan for the security of the Colony. The 8th HAVOC Naval Battlegroup is there not only as a deterrence to the Ryou’s who have also recently expressed their desire to expand their empire, but also to serve as the main supplier for the weapons that will be used in the Coastal Defense Network for the Colony.

We will though be prepared to send a Delegation to the Yanitarian Submarine to enforce that the peace talks to smoothly, as well as there is no attempt to kidnap the leadership of Miroxia.


OOC:
I’ll write up a brief description of the Resolution that passed through both houses of the parliament and post it on my Wiki soon. I just figured that I should put this up when I have the chance. I wrote this mostly overnight and then after work today so if there are any discrepancies, tell me and I’ll fix it in an edit.

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Yanitaria does not consider Shazbotdom a concerned party, and will refuse any outside interference in our peace talks. If the dictator of Miroxia chooses to come aboard an Yanitarian submarine to negotiate, we simply consider that an act of willingness to move towards peace, and thus we wouldn't harm him.

In any case, if the URPY really wanted to eliminate the dictator, a cruise missile would be a lot safer than sailing one of our expensive submarines into what is likely to be a heavily guarded port.

OOC: I really don't have any interest in kidnapping him. The coming aboard a submarine thing is just to see how ballsy the dictator is. Sort of a thing of respect, and trust.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i156/UNDComrade/Yanitaria/OfficialCommunication-1.png

Yanitaria does not consider Shazbotdom a concerned party, and will refuse any outside interference in our peace talks. If the dictator of Miroxia chooses to come aboard an Yanitarian submarine to negotiate, we simply consider that an act of willingness to move towards peace, and thus we wouldn't harm him.

In any case, if the URPY really wanted to eliminate the dictator, a cruise missile would be a lot safer than sailing one of our expensive submarines into what is likely to be a heavily guarded port.

OOC: I really don't have any interest in kidnapping him. The coming aboard a submarine thing is just to see how ballsy the dictator is. Sort of a thing of respect, and trust.

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FROM THE OFFICE OF THE SUPREME EMPEROR
MR LARRY WILLIAMS
The Shazbotdom Empire does consider itself a concerned party as to our ties politically and economically with the people of Miroxia through our colony of Shazbotdom Miroxia. If peace talks go sourt between the Miroxians and the Yanitarians and a war ensues, it will directly effect the Economy of Shazbotdom Miroxia, thus causing strain on the Economy of the Empire.

Therefore, with permission, we will send a one person deligation with no body guard at all to the talks as an official observer for the Shazbotdom Empire to ensure that Shazbotdom Assets abroad are protected.


OOC:
Yes but after much debate with my government ICly, they decided that it would be best for a deligation from all 4 nations (Shazbotdom, TS, Miroxia, Yanitaria) to all be at the talks. Although it would be up to TS if he wanted to be at the talks or not. But as my Empire is indirectly affected by this due to the Colony that is located on the Miroxian Island, it will most likely directly effect the economy of the Empire, thus the reason for the Supreme Emperor wanting to have a deligation at the talks.

OOC: ICly the Yanitarian government gives no reply. You can send a delegate along with the dictator, but I haven't decided whether or not the sub's crew will allow it.

SECRET IC:
SCENE: Mirox, Shazbotdom Miroxia
Prime Minister Rochelle Davidson was sitting in her office. The consul from the Mainland had just landed and was on his way over to the Colonial Prime Ministers Residence for a meeting. It was rare that a Consul was sent from the Mainland but these were trivious times that they were living in. With a threat of regional stability due to the Yanitarian/Miroxian conflict and the latest reports from Shazbotdom Intelligence Command about the movements of the Ryou's, things such as a consul visitation shouldn't come as a supprise to Rochelle.

It wasn't at that moment that a knock came on the door to Mrs. Davidson's office. She collected her thoughts and then walked over and opened the door...

oocly, i frankly really don't trust yanitaria and wish that the talks be in Shazbotdom or Miroxia.

oocly, i frankly really don't trust yanitaria and wish that the talks be in Shazbotdom or Miroxia.

OOC: Alright then, invasion it is. I'll post my Orbat for the fleet either tonight or tomorrow.

SECRET IC:
SCENE: Mirox, Shazbotdom Miroxia
"Ahh Rochelle. How is it going?" Said the Consol.

"Good Jim, and you?" She replied.

"Alright. So lets get to business, shall we?"

"Yes, we shall."

They both walked over to the desk and sat down. Then she pushed a button and two screens popped out of the desk, one pointing towards him and one pointing towards her. Another push of a button and a Flash Drive compartment in which Jim, the Consol, inserted a 14gb SD card.

"To the point. The Yanitarians have not backed down their armed forces at all. Thermal satelite imagry shows their Submarines still in their locations here." A circle appears on the monitor at a spot on the satelite image. "And Thermal Satelite Imagry also shows heat blooms in ships here and here indicating that they are preparing to sail."

"So what your saying is that they are preparing for war?"

"Exactly. The Imperial Parliament has prepared themselves for this and is issuing an order to the 1st Company of the Shazbotdom Marine Corps to deploy to the region. A total of 2,280,000 Marines are preparing for deployment as we speak. They will come in 10 waves. With them will be T-500 'Scorpion' Tanks, WH-01 'Street' Warthogs, WH-02 'Jungle Camo' Warthogs, WH-03 'Troop Transport' Warthogs and AT-01 'Jackhammer' All-Terrain Vehicles. They will fortify the countryside. We are though going to send a diplomatic message to the people of Miroxia to offer our services in defending their homeland, but until then we won't deploy any troops to their lands."

"Who will be in control of the forces here in Shazbotdom Miroxia?"

"General Timmothy J. Mendez. He's a Veterine, serving over 40 years in the Marine Corps and over 15 Tours of Duty. He knows his stuff."

"Alright. I want the General to report to me once he arrives in country."

"Thats all I have. It was nice seeing you again Rochelle."

"Likewise. Although I wish it was under better circumstances."

"Yeah. I should get back to Shazbotdom. I'll be back soon."

He left the room and with that, headed back to the airport. Leaving Rochelle to ponder what she was told.

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To the Empire of Shazbotdom:

Before actions on either side become hostile, we would like to speak to your diplomat personally. Since Miroxia has refused the olive branch, we take this as a sign of their obvious belligerence, and we will go to war unless they decide that demeaning themselves by accepting our well intentioned offer of peace.

With your permission, a Yanitarian submarine will dock in a port of your choosing, and allow a diplomat and one body guard to board. As a sign of good faith, we will hold off our bombing runs on the belligerent rogue state of Miroxia until talks have taken place, and our ships will remain in port, on the Island of Okhotsk.

Signed,
Jocelyn Eldegaard,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

OOC: Shaz, are you seriously going to use equipment from Halo?

OOC:
It's Human stuff from HALO, but just the ground vehicles and guns. And I'm not bringing my SCS Marines so you don't have to worry about that.

Secret IC means you can't see it happen. So you can't do an IC message based on what I have done Secret ICly. So until I make that information public as in a regular IC Diplomatic Message, I would edit your Diplomatic Message in a manner that you don't know what was said in the Prime Minister's office.

OOC:
It's Human stuff from HALO, but just the ground vehicles and guns. And I'm not bringing my SCS Marines so you don't have to worry about that.

Secret IC means you can't see it happen. So you can't do an IC message based on what I have done Secret ICly. So until I make that information public as in a regular IC Diplomatic Message, I would edit your Diplomatic Message in a manner that you don't know what was said in the Prime Minister's office.

OOC: First of all, I know what SIC means, I'm not new. Read my message again, and tell me where it addresses the diplomat you sent to Miroxia. You did state that you would send a diplomat to arbitrate the talks between Miroxia and I, so it's not hard to guess that you had one handy.

Second, while the scorpion could technically be built, it's not going to be effective at all. Expecially considering the dimentions, weight, and the maximum caliber of the gun that could be used in such a small turret. Halo wiki lists it as a 90mm.

OOC:
Who said I went by the exact specifications on Halopedia? I could have made my own tweeks to it during the production of it in my nation.

OOC:
Who said I went by the exact specifications on Halopedia? I could have made my own tweeks to it during the production of it in my nation.

OOC: Well, I consulted the draft room's leading tank designers, Sumer, and he says that the gun should be fine, but ammo capacity will be extremely limited, the armour is almost non-existent, and fuel will be slightly limited. So if you can design around that, then I'll accept it as a viable design. If not, those ought to be the limitations.

If you've made any tweaks, list them.

In any case, reply to my diplomatic message, and lets get this show going.

OOC:
I would list my changes but those were lost a while ago. I used to have a 1GB USB Jump Drive and my ex not only took it right after she dumped me, but smahed it with a hammer. I wanted to hurt her but didn't. Instead i did things that I prolly shouldn't have done (won't say though).


IC:
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FROM THE OFFICE OF THE SUPREME EMPEROR
MR. LARRY WILLIAMS
We will not allow your Naval Submarine to enter our waters. Instead, your deligate is welcome to fly by helecopter to TH-223, one of our Tempora Heroica-class Aircraft Carriers. It has luxurious Diplomatic Conference Chamber between the Forward and Central Helipads that would be utilized effectively for this meeting.

This includes a Lunch Buffet, Sleeping Quarters and a large Conference Room. You are welcome to bring up to 2 Unarmed Guards and 4 Diplomats.

The TH-223 is currently just off the coast of Shazbotdom Miroxia, roughly 5 Kilometers off shore.

OOC: Ouch, sucks. I had an ex do something similar. I got back at her by telling her father that she was sleeping with her best guy friend, which, at the time, I thought she was. Apparently she had just made that up to piss me off, but her dad didn't believe her.

To the Office of Mr. Larry Williams:

Currently, our nearest helicopter base is on the Island of Okhotsk, so it is impossible to accept those terms. However, as a compromise, we would agree to have a submarine surface, and meet a similarly sized vessel (surface or submersible), and engage in diplomatic talks there.

ooc: fyi, yanitaria, i withdrew troops from hurdurfistan. can we stop this meaninglessness?

also, i've got homework i need to to do so, if i don't respond, i'm doing my homework, but i will check in. TGTIF (thank God tomorrow is friday! w00t!

Sectret IC:

Durant picked up his phone and dialed the number of Larry Williams, Shazbotdom emperor. He got his answering machine and said, "Hello, Mr. Williams, this is Durant of Miroxia. I would like to schedule a meeting with you to, um, talk about the..uh...North Miroxian conflict. I wouldn't care if it were here, Shazbotdom, or in Shazbot dom Miroxia. Pleace call back. Thank you. Durant.

To the Office of Mr. Larry Williams:

Currently, our nearest helicopter base is on the Island of Okhotsk, so it is impossible to accept those terms. However, as a compromise, we would agree to have a submarine surface, and meet a similarly sized vessel (surface or submersible), and engage in diplomatic talks there.

IC:
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FROM THE OFFICE OF THE SUPREME EMPEROR
MR. LARRY WILLIAMS
How about send a vertical take-off aircraft to pick up the deligation from your nation or the nearest helecopter base. It will take off from Shazbotdom Air Command, head to Low Earth Orbit, and then decent close to your nation, then refuel there after picking up your Deligation, then head back up to Low Earth Orbit and fly to TH-223 for the diplomatic talks.

Would that be acceptable?

Sectret IC:

Durant picked up his phone and dialed the number of Larry Williams, Shazbotdom emperor. He got his answering machine and said, "Hello, Mr. Williams, this is Durant of Miroxia. I would like to schedule a meeting with you to, um, talk about the..uh...North Miroxian conflict. I wouldn't care if it were here, Shazbotdom, or in Shazbot dom Miroxia. Pleace call back. Thank you. Durant.

SECRET IC:
ENCRYPTED TELEGRAM TO MIROXIA
I recieved your voice mail. You can fly a deligate to the Shazbotdom Mainland. We will set you up at the most luxurious hotel in Shaz City. We will set up a time frame for the talks when you arrive in the city.

OOC: Miroxia: We could have if you had decided to meet with my submarine commander. And yes, TGTIF.

To the office of Mr. Larry Williams:

We fail to see the reason for this. It is much simpler, and much quicker to simply meet with our Submarine commander, who is authorized to negotiate for the United Royal Provinces. We have even agreed to meet on a ship from your navy, given that it is around the same size as our submarine.

We would like to quickly get these talks over with, and we will look down upon any further delay. While we would be willing to defuse the situation, as you must surely know, our soldiers are ready to go, and Yanitarian sentiment is negative towards Miroxia.

If you insist on delaying further, we will simply give up any sort of peace talks, and commence bombing runs and convoy raids on the rogue state of Miroxia. We feel that we have made our intentions towards peace clear when we pulled back our bombers, and held back our submarines, but since neither your empire or Miroxia seem willing to negotiate in a quick and efficient manner with the diplomat of our choosing, we can only take this as hostility. Hostility that Miroxia has already shown in it's willingness to support terrorists and invade foreign nations that are fighting to overthrow fascist theocratic rebels.

While we realize that Miroxia has agreed to withdraw, they only did so in the face of a counter invasion of their own soil. We do not feel that this is a sincere reason, and had the URPY not intervened, Miroxia would have continued on fighting to oppress the people of Hurfdurfistan.

We have offered Miroxia the chance to talk peacefully, and have even invited them to a private conference, one on one with one of our most decorated submarine commanders. We have belayed our orders to attack Miroxian shipping by submersibles. And indeed we have even recalled our bombers, and kept our ships in port.

We simply do not see any reason that Miroxia should delay, and now it seems that Shazbotdom is officially backing the rogue state in it's belligerence, and it's unwillingness to negotiate.

This is unacceptable, and unless your government or the government of the rogue state feels the need to meet us half way, and discuss the situation with our chosen diplomat, we cannot be held responsible for the damage to Miroxia. While we find it odd that a nation such as Shazbotdom would willingly go to war to support a nation known to support terrorists, and while we have no intention of disturbing your colony of Shazbotdom Miroxia, we will engage any hostile forces in the rogue state or at sea that should threaten the Yanitarian Royal Military.

To the office of Mr. Larry Williams:

We fail to see the reason for this. It is much simpler, and much quicker to simply meet with our Submarine commander, who is authorized to negotiate for the United Royal Provinces. We have even agreed to meet on a ship from your navy, given that it is around the same size as our submarine.

We would like to quickly get these talks over with, and we will look down upon any further delay. While we would be willing to defuse the situation, as you must surely know, our soldiers are ready to go, and Yanitarian sentiment is negative towards Miroxia.

If you insist on delaying further, we will simply give up any sort of peace talks, and commence bombing runs and convoy raids on the rogue state of Miroxia. We feel that we have made our intentions towards peace clear when we pulled back our bombers, and held back our submarines, but since neither your empire or Miroxia seem willing to negotiate in a quick and efficient manner with the diplomat of our choosing, we can only take this as hostility. Hostility that Miroxia has already shown in it's willingness to support terrorists and invade foreign nations that are fighting to overthrow fascist theocratic rebels.

While we realize that Miroxia has agreed to withdraw, they only did so in the face of a counter invasion of their own soil. We do not feel that this is a sincere reason, and had the URPY not intervened, Miroxia would have continued on fighting to oppress the people of Hurfdurfistan.

We have offered Miroxia the chance to talk peacefully, and have even invited them to a private conference, one on one with one of our most decorated submarine commanders. We have belayed our orders to attack Miroxian shipping by submersibles. And indeed we have even recalled our bombers, and kept our ships in port.

We simply do not see any reason that Miroxia should delay, and now it seems that Shazbotdom is officially backing the rogue state in it's belligerence, and it's unwillingness to negotiate.

This is unacceptable, and unless your government or the government of the rogue state feels the need to meet us half way, and discuss the situation with our chosen diplomat, we cannot be held responsible for the damage to Miroxia. While we find it odd that a nation such as Shazbotdom would willingly go to war to support a nation known to support terrorists, and while we have no intention of disturbing your colony of Shazbotdom Miroxia, we will engage any hostile forces in the rogue state or at sea that should threaten the Yanitarian Royal Military.

IC:
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FROM THE OFFICE OF THE SUPREME EMPEROR
MR. LARRY WILLIAMS
This would be a simpler method for us as our Diplomats feel unsafe inside the bowels of a submarine belonging to a nation that threatens the stability of an entire region. If you wish, we can put the TH-223 out 200km into international waters if that would help your deligation feel safer.

Or we could bring our Carrier closer to one of your Air Force Bases abroad so you can fly a deligation to it.

But we feel that your reasons for this war are a little unjust in itself since Miroxia has come to peace with the nation that he was in a conflict with before. Your ability to not put that behind you is what keeps conflicts like this continuing when they do not need to.

I suggest that you do come to terms with the peace that Miroxia has done with the other nation and just call off your attacks. We are prepared to defend our allies in Miroxia. They are a soverign nation and do not need the beligerance that your nation is showing them.

Durant arrived in Shazbotdom after taking off the previous night. It was a long flight, but now he was in Shaz City. He and assisstant, Keneth, were to go to the office of Mr. Larry Williams, Supreme Emperor of Shazbotdom. They were going to talk on some subjects, such as: Oper:MirD, the Miroxian-Fozcrian War, and other talks of trade and Shazbotdom Miroxia embasies. When Keneth and Durant got into the limo theyt rented, they drove down the rode until the hit a sign that says "Imperial Palace.' He pulled in and park. They soon walked into the parkway. Durant walked up to the desk and asked, "What room is Mr. Larry Williams in?" She showed him to the right room as Durant entered. "Hello, Larry Williams. We have some wars to discuss.

ooc: Firstly, I don't care if that was a godmod. I will delete after school and redo it. Frankly, after I just got up, I'm to tired to put a big RP on, so...I'll repost or respnd after school. TGIF!

OOC:
You can edit it if you want. I'm just waiting for Yanitaria to respond to what I said. But he hasn't shown himself yet.

IC:
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FROM THE OFFICE OF THE SUPREME EMPEROR
MR. LARRY WILLIAMS
This would be a simpler method for us as our Diplomats feel unsafe inside the bowels of a submarine belonging to a nation that threatens the stability of an entire region. If you wish, we can put the TH-223 out 200km into international waters if that would help your deligation feel safer.

Or we could bring our Carrier closer to one of your Air Force Bases abroad so you can fly a deligation to it.

But we feel that your reasons for this war are a little unjust in itself since Miroxia has come to peace with the nation that he was in a conflict with before. Your ability to not put that behind you is what keeps conflicts like this continuing when they do not need to.

I suggest that you do come to terms with the peace that Miroxia has done with the other nation and just call off your attacks. We are prepared to defend our allies in Miroxia. They are a soverign nation and do not need the beligerance that your nation is showing them.

OOC: Sorry, I forgot I had the window open when I wrote this, I had to go to driving class. I lost all my work, and had to rewrite.

To the Office Mr. Larry Williams:
You'll note from our previous refusal that we have not refused to meet TH-223 on the grounds that it is an enemy vessel, it's just that our diplomat is currently on a submarine, and we can not transport him via helicopter. If you would like to meet his submarine 200km from shore, he would be able to transfer himself and his body guard to your ship via boat.

Of course, we will trust you not to harm him, allow him to return to his ship, and allow that ship to sail off.

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Official Greal Statement
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Subject: Miroxia
The Imperial Republic of Greal supports the Yanitarians on this issue, and feel that Miroxia should be stopped. Should The Empire of Shazbotdom intervene, we will enter the war on the side of our neighbors in Yanitaria.


Regards,
Martin Watson
President of Greal
Imperial Republic of Greal

OOC: Scand doesn't seem to want to go to war, that makes the sides unevenly balanced, You guys mind if I come in this RP on Yanis's side to even the sides a little?

OOC: Sounds good to me. Since it was agreed before that I could bring scand in, and since scand is allied to Shaz, suppose Greal could take Scand's place as my ally, should this go to war?

[OOC:If the sides are uneven towards Yanitaria and war is declared, I could also join, only if there was a very small inbalance But otherwise I would not join in.]

How about we make this the ooc thread from now on. i could make a new post, NS-World War I and open it for sides...i will make one, but if you guys don't like it i will delete it.

OOC: No. If you really wanted an open RP, you shouldn't have automatically closed it in the first place.

And it certainly isn't a big enough issue to call it a world war. I am sure a nation like AMF would nuke everyone in the thread simply because it's called "WWI", when it's obviously not.

Let's just keep this between the four of us. Any more people, and the RP goes down hill because we have to wait forever for someone to post.

OOC: Sorry, I forgot I had the window open when I wrote this, I had to go to driving class. I lost all my work, and had to rewrite.

To the Office Mr. Larry Williams:
You'll note from our previous refusal that we have not refused to meet TH-223 on the grounds that it is an enemy vessel, it's just that our diplomat is currently on a submarine, and we can not transport him via helicopter. If you would like to meet his submarine 200km from shore, he would be able to transfer himself and his body guard to your ship via boat.

Of course, we will trust you not to harm him, allow him to return to his ship, and allow that ship to sail off.

IC:
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FROM THE OFFICE OF THE SUPREME EMPEROR
MR. LARRY WILLIAMS
How about we don't even have peace talks. Shazbotdom Military Forces are staying in the area reguardless. It's your choice, leave the area or continue trying to attack Miroxia, cause instablity in the region, and have the Shazbotdom Armed Forces intervene to stop the fighting.

IC:
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FROM THE OFFICE OF THE SUPREME EMPEROR
MR. LARRY WILLIAMS
How about we don't even have peace talks. Shazbotdom Military Forces are staying in the area reguardless. It's your choice, leave the area or continue trying to attack Miroxia, cause instablity in the region, and have the Shazbotdom Armed Forces intervene to stop the fighting.

To the Office of Mr. Larry Williams:

Miroxia had the chance to have peace talks and did not respond, and therefore we will go to war.

We have a saying, in Yanitaria, Mr. Williams, and it comes from an admiral who fought in the Kabavian War. "Préparez pour se noyer."

You see, we are not afraid of your badly designed tanks, or your carriers that are unsafe to land on. They will simply litter the battlefield. Your planes will fall from the sky like broken birds, and your ships will clutter the beaches like dead whales. And Miroxia's economy will be bled white, like your soldiers as they lay dead on the battle field

With their economy that is already in shambles, if our missiles and bombs do not bring about the downfall of their nation, their economic state will.

TO: Yanitarian Leader
FROM: Dictator Durant Adams

Let the war begin, for we have a saying from one of our generals, too, "If we must go to war, let the guns of my people be the first to fire."

We're ready.

OOC:
Actually. RIght now I am packing for a train trip. I will be unavailable starting today until the 13th, when I will get my stuff together finally at my moms house. Then I will not be available again on the 17th and 18th as that will be when I am traveling back home. I will then be available again on the 19th after work, which will be after 1:30pm CST.

OOC:
Actually. RIght now I am packing for a train trip. I will be unavailable starting today until the 13th, when I will get my stuff together finally at my moms house. Then I will not be available again on the 17th and 18th as that will be when I am traveling back home. I will then be available again on the 19th after work, which will be after 1:30pm CST.

OOC: Sure thing, I'll ICly hold off on anything for a few days, then I'll go ahead with my plan. None of my surface ships will leave, and none of my subs will come to periscope depth, and since this is the Pacific, you won't be able to track them via IR unless they do. Feel free to assume nothing will come of the Yanitarian Invasion.

OOC: After a brief discussion between Yanitaria, Greal and I, it has been decided that I am in a better position to aid Yanitaria in this conflict than Greal, partly because of our nations' extremely close relations and partly because Greal is currently having a civil war. Due to issues with the jolt forums, I haven't completed my Order of Battle, but please expect it, or if need be, a very crappy version of it in the near future.

IC:
Top military brass and even President Andrews himself had been closely monitoring the situation between Yanitaria, Miroxia and Shazbotdom. As though holding back from scratching an itch, certain military units had been put on high alert, but done yet had been getting deployment orders. That was, until negotiations had ended, prompting all sides to put away their pens and prepare for war.

Yanitaria was a close ally and friend of Orbath and Orbathians were known for blunt loyalty, thus it was no surprise when millions of protesters took to the streets wanting the politicians to ''get off their asses.'' In reality, those politicians had been working their asses off, preparing for what was likely soon to be war. The fact was, that Orbath would nearly crumble before it ever watched Yanitaria be crushed. That is why, on Wednesday, May 14th, a formal declaration was issued to the world.

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I must inform my people in Orbath, my friends in Yanitaria and my enemies in both Miroxia and Shazbotdom that a state of war now exists. The People's Republic of Orbath is now at war in support of our allies in Yanitaria to ensure the swift defeat of our enemies. We will not falter!

Signed, President James Andrews, President of Orbath, HIs Excellency, Count of Throppe

Within minutes of the message being released, Task Force Alpha set sail, to a colony of Yanitaria,

Order of Battle
Task Force Alpha
3 x Carrier Group (Invincible Class Carrier) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13657671&postcount=7)
+ 2 Longsword Class (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=551930)
8 x Battle Axe Class Cruisers
4 x Hatchet Class Frigates
8 x Type 38 Class Destroyers
3 x Supply Class Fast Combat Support Ship

8 x Wolfpack Groups (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13657686&postcount=8)
4 x Attack Submarine Squadrons (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13657701&postcount=9)
2 x Hunter Killer Submarine Squadrons (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13657714&postcount=10)

i'm starting an ooc thread for this

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OOC:OOC Thread, for reference (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=556893)

I've asked you twice for a map (with actual cities) in just the last couple days.

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Official Declaration to the Rogue State of Miroxia:

Because war seems to be inevitable, we of the United Royal Provinces of Yanitaria would like to discuss a set of Regulations of Wartime Conduct. The standard Yanitarian "Règles de Conduite en Temps de Guerre" includes the following general principals:

1.) In all cases, ground forces shall take reasonable measures to avoid civilian casualties. Any armed civilian found outside of Yanitarian Control Zones will be considered a terrorist element, and will not fall under the Lillehammer Conventions, the which draws out the rules for the ethical treatment of prisoners. Such terrorists will be required to surrender immediately, and if they do so with out firing or endangering the lives of Yanitarian soldiers or Civilians, their weapons will be confiscated, and they will be given the choice of being taken to a local detainment facility, where they will be kept for their own safety, and allowed visitation by their families, or to a minimum security facility on Okhotsk Island. In cases where the terrorist element does not surrender before endangering the lives of Yanitarian Soldier or Civilian, they will be taken to a medium or maximum security prison on Okhotsk Island, and will be fitted with an escape collar.

Armed Civilians, or civilians suspected and proven to be engaging in subversive acts, found inside Yanitarian Control Zones will be considered a Partisan Element. Should they surrender, they will be transported to a medium to maximum security prison on Okhotsk Island, where they will be fitted with an escape collars. Should surrender not occur immediately, the ranking officer of the unit will decide whether or not the offending partisans shall be summarily executed, or sent to a maximum security facility on Okhotsk Island.

2) Reasonable accommodations will be made towards enemy prisoners to ensure their comfort. Compliant soldiers may be kept in local facilities, and will be treated with respect, allowed brief visitation with families, and will be allowed certain items of comfort, which must be provided by their families. Prisoners of war may choose to take part in chain gangs, which will work to improve and repair the surrounding area. Uncompliant soldiers will be taken to facilities on Okhotsk Island. The attending guards will decide whether or not enemy soldiers are indeed being compliant or not, and have the power to petition to the commanding officer that the prisoners be sent to facilities elsewhere.

3) Soldiers captured will be cataloged, and their names, rank, and identification number will be sent to enemy forces via an unarmed messenger. Should this messenger be harmed this will stop, and all prisoners will be punished, by having visitation and comforts revoked.

4) The URPY will not attack any enemy medical vehicle with a red cross/cresent/star of david/letter M on a white background painted on it, so long as it is unarmed. The URPY will also not attack any vehicle painted white with the word "MAIL" written in the local language on the tops and sides, so long as it is unarmed. However, should the enemy abuse this, the individual squad leaders may choose, at their discretion, whether or not to obey this regulation.

5) Enemy soldiers found wounded or dieing will be offered reasonable medical care, unless such medical care is seriously required by Yanitarian Soldiers or Civilians first.

6) While the United Royal Provinces of Yanitaria owns them, the use of tactical or strategic nuclear first strike will be forbidden, unless authorized by the supreme military commander of the theater.

Should the Rogue Military of the Rogue State of Miroxia agree to also follow these guidelines, the URPY will as well.

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HMS Sagan:

Grand Admiral Philippe de Chabot, the newly promoted, and newly appointed supreme commander of the Miroxian-Okhotsk Theater, surveyed his ships from the magnificent window. His Royal Army Liason, Field Marshal Lucien-Joseph Macherat stood behind him.

"Les fusils sont-ils prêts?" the Grand Admiral asked quitely, taking a sip from his coffee mug. The light colored, delicious liquid warmed his stomach, as even with the heating, the ship's bridge was extremely cold. Steam from the drink fogged up his glasses, and he set the cup down on the console, and took them off to wipe them with a pristine white mouchoir, which he kept in the pocket of his pristine white naval dress uniform.

"Oui, Yanitarian Arms is delivering them now. The new AY-144 rifles, I am very impressed by them. Today they are unveiling them at the Yanitarian Arms Expo, in Eiktunet. They'll be ready."

"Bien. Allons, they are waiting." The Grand Admiral downed the last of his coffee, and put his glasses on again. The two officers made their way through the stairwell, and, after a long climb down, found themselves on the deck level, just a short distance from the gangplank. Two ensigns carrying AY-144 rifles escorted the officers from the door to the gangplank, and followed them down, to the stage that had been set up. Members of the states and private press were lined up, with cameras and microphones ready. Civilians grouped behind them, to watch the spectacle, as the Grand Admiral stepped up and took his spot behind the podium.

"Bonsoir, friends, welcome tonight, we are glad to have you here this evening. If you'll bear with me, I'll get through my speech, and we'll answer some questions."

The various members of the press nodded their agreement, and the cameras started rolling. In the background, news trucks started broadcasting live. From home, Yanitarians in the homeland could turn on their televisions to any number of news channels, such as YNW Channel 1, which broad casted international news.

Grand Admiral de Chabot smiled into the cameras, and spoke slowly. "Bonsoir, my fellow Yanitarians, and people of the world. As you know, we live in a country that values freedom, liberty, and equality. Since the November Revolution, we've had a country that has always supported liberty abroad, regardless of philosophies. Yanitaria has liberated christians, muslims, jews, atheists, capitalists, communists, and socialists alike. People from all over the world, from Liech and Wittenshcau, to far off New True Cross hail Yanitaria as liberators, and we work hard to keep that reputation.

"Today, we are about to embark on a journey to another country that requires liberty. To the corrupt dictatorship of Miroxia, I have one thing to say to you. Your days are numbered. Your funds are limited. Your thugs will fail in the face of a determined Yanitarian assault. Soon, the Yanitarian flag, and everything it symbolizes will be brought to bear on Miroxia, and we will ensure that your corrupt foreign policies will never harm another nation.

"The soldiers of the United Royal Provinces of Yanitaria are unlike any in the world. They are dedicated, professional, and among the best that any great nation has ever had the honour of fielding. More over, their equipment is world class, their training is demanding, and their backs strong. And our enemy? Their reputation, at least in my opinion, is that they are underfunded, and will never be able to match the quality of Yanitarian troops.

"To the people of Miroxia, I suggest you rise up in opposition of your government, and install a proper, civilised, democratic government. In doing so, you will be aided by Yanitarian troops, given Yanitarian weapons, and your families may receive Yanitarian supplies and protection.

"Miroxia is at a turning point in it's history. There is simply no way they will be able to resist, and now they must decide whether or not, as a people, they would like to do this the proverbial easy way, or hard way. Thank you. I'll take questions now."

Several members of the press immediately started at once, and the Grand Admiral pointed to one.

"Ingrid Haug, Lena Daily. Sir, would you say that your claims are a bit arrogant?"

"Not at all, just look at Miroxia's economy, it's an absolute wreck. I am not sure how the people get by. I mean, currently, one Marque Royale goes for 23.17 Rupees. That means that our Cinq-Couronne coin is worth more than their base currency. This is simply no way to run an economy." He pointed to another,

"Leonard Baudin, YNW. What are your plans for the post-conflict Miroxia?"

"It has been decided that once Miroxia has been conquered, the nation will be divided into control zone. Yanitaria, Orbath, and Kabavia will each take up a zone, and start rebuilding, and introducing foreign companies and goods, setting up factories and jobs to allow Miroxia to recover. The government set up is likely to reflect the nation, so while Yanitaria and Kabavia will likely have socialist centered economies, the Orbathian control zone will likely have a capitalist economy. There might be an Miroxian Autonomous Zone, but it remains to be seen. As for government, internal affairs will be handed off to a democratically elected government, which will be supervised by Yanitarian inspectors, to ensure that the elections and policies are fair and democratic."

The sun started to set on the horizon, and the Grand Admiral noted this. with that, he raised his hands, and said "I apologize, but we seem to be running out of daylight, and my ships are prepared to embark. I bit you good night." The four officers, including the two ensigns, stepped off the stage, and went back up the ship. Final preperations were made, and the ships prepared to set sail for Miroxia. It would only take another hour, and the ships would begin the 3 day journey south-eastward.Their route would take them on a round about manner so that they could come up from the south towards Port Durant, or perhaps some beach east or west. Time would tell.

Durant was pounding his head on his desk. "Keneth!" he yelled with his face on the desk.

"Heez?"

"Tell them the land is theirs!"

Kenenth then walked out and sent the folowing telegram:

The Pacific Isle Council State of Miroxia do hereby decree, because of distresss to the High Counselor, and a 51-49 vote by Miroxia's Council, we offer you the request land up north and will be kind enough to direct your to a oil paradise, black gold-mine, The Adreani Isles. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=557853) We will also discount the price of land you want because of trouble, distress, and frustration in your Royal Provinces. We apologize that we helped foreign "terrorist, as you say, but we also feel we need, optional to you, Yanitaria, a small apology. It will be with warm hearts in safe Miroxia accept that you may not. God Bless,

High Counselor Durant Adams

Official Reply:

For the land we requested in Northern Miroxia, and for the Miroxian holdings in The Adreani Isles, Yanitaria will in return offer Miroxia 2,000,000 Marque Royales (~3,422,600 USD)

Official reply: You may not have my Adreani claim, just the northern territory.

Official Retort:

You mistake us. We are not asking.

ooc- dude, get your own claim!

OOC:
Yani. Read already. He made a puppet nation for that claim. Your pressing this war contniuously and I am starting to think that ICly you are a warmonger. If I need to ICly, I will bring this to Scand's attention. I have no problem doing it as we have been allies for longer than you've been a protectorate of his.

ooc
thanks, shaz. i really want the adreani claim, but i don't mind the northern territory.

ooc- dude, get your own claim!

OOC:
Yani. Read already. He made a puppet nation for that claim. Your pressing this war contniuously and I am starting to think that ICly you are a warmonger. If I need to ICly, I will bring this to Scand's attention. I have no problem doing it as we have been allies for longer than you've been a protectorate of his.

ooc
thanks, shaz. i really want the adreani claim, but i don't mind the northern territory.

OOC: Isn't there an OOC thread for this? I'll take this there, where it actually belongs.