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In accordance with the Armament Westernization Protocol, the Erislal Volunteer Combat Forces are pleased to announce an open trial for three new classes of military vehicle to replace a variety of machines currently in use.

The classes up for bid are Main Battle Tank, Infantry Fighting Vehicle, and Armored Reconnaissance Vehicle. The program is intended to replace the T-55 and BTR family of vehicles currently in service with the EVCF.

Priority attention will be given to units showing adaptability for modifications to specific needs, NATO/STANAG compliant equipment, and reliability of function, as opposed to precise or specialized machinery of limited strategic projection and complicated support.

Interested parties are invited to submit bids at this time.

The contract will be for approximately 350 MBTs, 870 IFVs, and 300 ARVs.

TO: Erislal
FROM: Lyran Governmental Trade Department

RE: Armoured vehicle trials

Lyran Arms always seeks to provide the most effective military hardware solutions to all NS combatant requirements. We thusly submit vehicles in all categories, as seen in the Lyran Arms storefront.

Regards

Lieutenant-General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department
Bredubar
Protectorate of Lyras


(OOC: In signature block for link)

On behalf of your request, our company submits the following vehicles for your consideration.

For an replacement for your main battle tanks, UEMS offers it's excellence all around designed Earth III series MBTs (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11061442&postcount=349).

In the category of Infantry fighting vehicles, UEMS offers it's adaptable Eclipse family of tracked armoured vehicles (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10905578&postcount=221).

We thank you for you time and consideration.

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TO: Responsible Authorities in Erislaw
CC: milnet.public@commerce.tss, diplonet.public@exports.tss
FROM: Ruiz Sanchez, MilNet manager and representative (rsanchez@milnet.tss)
SUBJECT: Sino 2A1-E Stealth Main Battle Tank Offered for Trials



Erislal wrote:

In accordance with the Armament Westernization Protocol, the Erislal Volunteer Combat Forces are pleased to announce an open trial for three new classes of military vehicle to replace a variety of machines currently in use.

The classes up for bid are Main Battle Tank, Infantry Fighting Vehicle, and Armored Reconnaissance Vehicle. The program is intended to replace the T-55 and BTR family of vehicles currently in service with the EVCF.

Priority attention will be given to units showing adaptability for modifications to specific needs, NATO/STANAG compliant equipment, and reliability of function, as opposed to precise or specialized machinery of limited strategic projection and complicated support.

Interested parties are invited to submit bids at this time.

The contract will be for approximately 350 MBTs, 870 IFVs, and 300 ARVs

In partnership with the multinational cooperative Tienda del Coche, the MilNet of the Confederacy of Third Spanish States is offering to Erislal a new paradigm in tank design, for the Sino 2A1-E is the NATO variant of the Sino 2A1 Main Battle Tank (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=2673) currently in use by Third Spanish States, which primary difference in comparison to the first is that it is equipped with two CROWS-compatible 7.62mm NATO M240x general purpose machineguns as remote stations instead of our local AA-70 GPMGs (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=2247), which are also compatible with the CROWS, although if interested, we are also offering its standard version. The Sino series of main battle tanks have as highlights their active protection systems, a design which seeks to have the least profile possible without sacrificing performance and electronics, which include indirect fire targeting systems, TVR guidance and even an passive radar and an automatic target identification system with IFF support, and an auto-aiming module for its grenade launchers.

Thanks to the adoption of open-source software into our technologies, the Sino 2A1, despite having top-grade electronics, is a cost-effective solution for your needs and it's also equally reliable, and designed with an ease of adaptations and updates in mind. I hope it will attend to your needs, thank you for your attention.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f195/wetsail/resilogo.jpg
While Resicorp currently has nothing on the open market to match your needs, we are working on making what we have sufficiently unique to be mass-marketable.

In the meantime, our MT-3 DRAGONFLY recon/gun cyphur (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=554703) may be of interest to you as a cheap, efficient alternative to ground-based recon.

(OOC: Just a cheap way of tagging this thread for later when I have materials drafted up, and giving myself a plug. :P )

The DTCP Military is interested in purchasing your BTR series vehicles once they are replaced.


-Stoya Kitsenko, Arms Procurement Dpt.

ooc; I should have been a bit more clear and learned my terminology better. UE, when I mentioned ARV I meant Armored Recon Vehicle. I completely forgot that it applied already to armored RECOVERY vehicles. My bad.

IC;

Official Testing Begins

The EVCF Evaluation Corps is pleased to announce testing has begun for the vehicular upgrade program. Testing is being conducted at the Passeri and Dolmanti Proving Grounds in southern Erislal, and all parties who submitted a design are welcome to send observers for the one-year round of testing. These tests will be conducted by the elite EVCF Demonstration Regiments, drawn from the best and most experienced soldiers in the Erislal military forces.

Units and Categories of the Test include:

Main Battle Tank
LY4A1 'Wolfhound' by Lyran Arms.
Earth III series MBT by UEMS.
Sino 2A1-E MBT by Tienda del Coche and CTPS MilNet.

Infantry Fighting Vehicle
LY219 'Ironheart' Multirole Tactical Vehicle by Lyran Arms.
Eclipse series IFV by UEMS

Armored Reconnaissance Vehicle
Eclipse Series IFV (recon design) by UEMS
LY219 'Ironheart' Multirole Tactical Vehicle by Lyran Arms.

Addendum;

Disposal of the BTR vehicles has not been addressed yet, but we are open to negotiations on the matter.

Any further interested parties are of course invited to submit designs until two-thirds of the way through the trials (ooc - Friday evening should be my cutoff).

TO: Erislal
FROM: Lyran Governmental Trade Department

RE: Armoured vehicle trials

With reference to the armoured reconnaissance vehicle trials, the LY219's modular nature makes it, in conjunction with its electric-drive and active signature reduction, more than capable of fulfilling the requirement.

Should a lighter platform be desired, Lyran units often use the LY83 Fox 4 x 4 in such a role.

Regards

Lieutenant-General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department
Bredubar
Protectorate of Lyras

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[to whom it may concern]
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CONFED OF ERISLAL

Dear Sirs,

In reply to your request for armoured vehicles to be tested in an upcoming trial, I, on behalf of Hsaio Motor Corporation, which I represent, submit the Type 97 main battle tank and the Type 95 infantry combat vehicle, both of which are compliant with STANAG statutes and accepted NATO ammunition. Attached you will find descriptions of these vehicles.

Sincerely,

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Gao Aorong
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Sales Department

Attached: Description of the Type 97 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=543230)
Description of the Type 95 (http://nationstates.wikia.com/wiki/Type_95)

ooc; I should have been a bit more clear and learned my terminology better. UE, when I mentioned ARV I meant Armored Recon Vehicle. I completely forgot that it applied already to armored RECOVERY vehicles. My bad.

OCC: That's ok, all those Abbreviations and acronyms can confuse anyone. To reflect better what you meant, I edited out my suggestions for those ARVs. :rolleyes:

BTW, I might have a few more suggestions for you I'll add later on, by friday of course.

ooc; *just a bump*

ooc; last bump before I finalize everything.

what production model are the BTR's, and what is there condition?

From the Export Division of Nineveh International

While NATO compliance is not an issue we believe in, we would still like to offer our MCA-7E, and derrived vehicles, for your consideration. We have avalible the requested IFV, in the form of the PIV-30, as well as numerous other vehicles provided at our temporary exibition centre here (Link). (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=545305) Or at our new, permenant, export department here (Link). (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showforum=40) The later location includes several vehicles which the temporary one does not, as well we are currently in the process of getting a number of other vehicles which you may be interested in authorized for export.

- Nineveh International Executive

All models of the BTR are series 60, in salvageable, non-combat condition. The EVCF intends, if unable to offmarket them, to use them in conversions as secondary (supply, training, motive) vehicles.

OCC is the arv Armored recovery or armed robotic vehicle
there are both with the arv

ooc; I addressed that earlier, I intended it to be armored recon vehicle.

After much debate, we have decided that we will buy the BTR-60's. What is a reasonable price?

After some estimates, we would be willing to part with 4500 BTR-60 units at 8,000 NS$ apiece, coming to a total of 36,000,000.

Understand that these will come unarmed, although the turret bustle and turret itself will be intact on each vehicle. Rearming or upgrading the machines is at the discretion of the purchaser.

Is this acceptable?

From the Trilon Defense inc.
Wait! dont sell your BTRs we may have a plan to keep them and update them. new weapons platform and computer package, also we want to get your nations true specs of what you want and need and the price you want to pay for it
thank you for your time
TDI

That isn't quite what the offices of Evaluation and Procurement had in mind. In essence, we request that (should you have a proposal), you submit the designs and pricing information as well as attendant categories for each submission.

The categories are as follows; Main Battle Tank (to replace the venerable but now virtually useless T-55 series currently in inventory), Infantry Fighting Vehicle (to replace the equally outmoded BTR-60s), and Armored Reconnaissance Vehicle (currently held by a small assortment of vehicles, including PT-76 light tanks, ASU-85 airborne assault guns, Light trucks, and modified BTR series vehicles).

The initial contract stipulated STANAG compatibility, but this can be waived in favor of general utility and overall functionality. Amphibious qualities will be highly regarded in the Recon and IFV categories, in particular.

Please reconsider your offer, and we look forward to examining your bid.

As for the BTRs contracted for sale, we still have approximately 8400 in stock, fate to be determined. If you could submit a comprehensive package explaining how you intend to upgrade such an aging chassis to useful spec, we will happily entertain the offer at our Proving Grounds.

Regards
ECVF/OP and OE

After some estimates, we would be willing to part with 4500 BTR-60 units at 8,000 NS$ apiece, coming to a total of 36,000,000.

Understand that these will come unarmed, although the turret bustle and turret itself will be intact on each vehicle. Rearming or upgrading the machines is at the discretion of the purchaser.

Is this acceptable?

acceptable, the funds will be transfered upon confirmation.

The sale is confirmed, and the units in question shall be transferred upon confirmation of funds transfer.

From the Director of Refurbishment Division:

I've enclosed a link with some of our proposal for your nation. please let me know if you what to hear more about this program Trilon Defense Inc. offers

http://www.phpbbplanet.com/grimreaper6/viewtopic.php?p=4&mforum=grimreaper6#4

Thank you for your time,
Dir Duilio Trentino

The sale is confirmed, and the units in question shall be transferred upon confirmation of funds transfer.

funds have been wired.

From the Trilon Defense Inc.
a proposal for new equipment which includes:
2 MBTs
2 IFVs
2 ARVs

please test these vehicles and let us know what you think.
here the link to out proposal and the vehicles.

http://www.phpbbplanet.com/grimreaper6/viewtopic.php?p=5&mforum=grimreaper6#5

thank you for you time

EVCF Office of Procurement/Office of Evaluation Joint Service Announcement

Demonstration Regiments Announce Findings and Reccomendations

It's been a spectacular evaluation year here at the Passeri and Dolmanti Proving Grounds. We of the Arms Evaluation Command and the Office of Evaluations take great pride in choosing only the best equipment for Rislai soldiers.

These trials are, without a doubt, the most extensive we have conducted in the past sixty years. The EVCF issued specifications to remodel not just one, but nearly every element of the soldiers' lifestyle and outfitting given our transition to a more modern armament.

Previous efforts lead to the adoption of the Series 36 assault rifle family, and series 4E Squad Machine Gun, replacing nearly two generations of AK-series weapon use.

This series of examinations has been focused on updating the aging and increasingly undereffective vehicle fleet of the EVCF Ground Services. No armed force has been as patient as the EVGS, anywhere in the world, I firmly believe. As other nations rapidly modernized their forces, our boys and girls have made do with second and third hand equipment other nations rightly deride, and done so with steadiness and resolve. We honor that commitment by providing them with the following newfound choices of gear, to better carry them into the future battles an unsafe world will bring.

In the category of Main Battle Tank, the Demonstration Regiments have recommended the LY4A1 "Wolfhound" by Lyran Arms. Far heavier and more heavily protected than any MBT the EVGS has to date fielded, it still performs and maneuvers like a dream, according to most testimonies. We are pleased to adopt the tank as the MBT S4A1(LY) "Wolfhound." Our thanks to Lyran Arms for providing such an outstanding product.

In the category of Infantry Fighting Vehicle, we will also be adopting the Lyran Arms design. The LY219 IFV has proven effective and adaptable to a host of combat situations, and although it faced extremely stiff competition from the Eclipse series IFV, certain factors edged it out. The LY219 is to be adopted as the IFV S219(LY), although in deference to the spontaneous dubbing of a nickname from the Demonstration Regiments, it shall be renamed "Hornet," in honor of the ferocity of its 'sting' in combat.

To quote Demonstration Regiment Red's commanding officer, Colonel Willis Fisk;

"The Hornet won out because it was easier for us to integrate the native systems of the Wolfhound and the Hornet for large operations, than to tie the Hornet in with the Eclipse. Third company in particular preferred the Eclipse for ease of maintenance, actually, but sometimes you have to take a logistics hit for high-level operation. Also, just about everyone was in love with the hot water dispensing systems; we'd find visiting reporters using them to get some coffee, half the time."

That said, the UEMS Eclipse design has not been completely rejected. A smaller number of the Eclipse Mortar System and Observation Post IFVs have been recommended for adoption by the Jaeger Independent Raider Battalions, and the Reconnaissance Vehicle for use across the armored forces. These will be adopted as the IFV S-1(j) Eclipse, IFV S-2(j) Eclipse and LRV S-1 Eclipse vehicles.

Colonel Fisk, again; "The Eclipse won out our recommendation for the Raiders because demonstrations showed them more adaptable to the swampy terrain the Raiders use as primary training grounds than the Hornets. The Raiders are also adopting the Hornet mobile gun platform, I believe, but their mortar and OP units will be Eclipses."

While these were the only trials originally scheduled to be carried out, a number of secondary trials popped up during the events as well.

The EVGS, having elected to upgrade its MBT and IFV fleet, has quite a few BTR-60 series IFVs and T-55 MBTs to discard. While plans focused on simply converting them to noncombat designs, a third party independently contracted the Evaluation Command and suggested a major refurbishment of the T-55 and BTR vehicles. The upgrades proposed were evaluated, and the Demonstration Command recommends a limited procurement of the upgraded vehicles in order to outfit specialized rifle battalions (in the case of the revamped BTRs) and heavy counter-insurgency forces (in the case of the T-55 conversions).

Lastly, though no less importantly, the DRs tested a new series of Disruptive Pattern uniforms, also provided by the Lyran Arms concern. Units had nothing but praises for the material, as evidenced by the following testimonies;

Captain Jack Ritter, Demonstration Regiment Green;
"Gotta tell you, the emphasis on knee and elbow protection is what did it. Reinforcing those points reduced a lot of wear and tear we see in our older service kits, and made maneuvering that much less of a hassle. It's attention to a detail you don't see that often, and I'll personally be disappointed if we don't adopt this pattern."

and Lieutenant Noen Green, Demonstration Sniper Detail
"We did an impromptu test, with laser-designated rifles, of our two best snipers, Lt. Caros Nichols and myself. I was using an unmodified, factory-unwrapped Lyran kit, and he was in the old kit plus a half-ghillie suit. He still won the competition, but I was able to tag him two out of five times, and both of those before he finally got me the last three. This suit is -outstanding- and I'd give it my highest regards. If you want us to come back alive, put us in this outfit."

Full details of the specific contracts to be purchased will be announced in the upcoming weeks. The Demonstration and Procurement Commands extend warm thanks to everyone who submitted vehicles and equipment for evaluation. We assure all parties that every nation will receive full market value for every vehicle tested, and we will return the vehicles themselves as well.

Nations whose equipment has been selected are encouraged to reply to this briefing in order to set up a payment schedule, as a purchase of the magnitude intended exceeds any single-year budget for the department of procurement.

Regards and Wishes

General Loes Cann, Office of Procurement
General Hann Rikers, Office of Evaluation

TO: EVCF Office of Procurement/Office of Evaluation
FROM: Lyran Governmental Trade Department

It is with great pleasure that I received and forwarded your nation's intention to utilise Lyran Arms as your supplier for the IFV, MBT and combat attire categories. Field Marshal Wallington, Senior Officer of the Protectorate Research and Development Commission, will no doubt be exceptionally pleased.

Given the (likely) large scale usage of Lyran hardware, we offer the option to generate a package deal that most suitably fits the requirements of your military.

Should you be interested, please let us know.

Stand undaunted

Lieutenant-General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department
Bredubar
Protectorate of Lyras

To: General Loes Cann, Office of Procurement
General Hann Rikers, Office of Evaluation

From: Dir Duilio Trentino

This is a package list we have come up with with most of what your equipment may look like. please let us know what types of systems like commo,NBC,weapon types, ammo types, etc. we also understand you want NATO compatable equipment well we can refurbish your equipment plus make your systems NATO standard so tell what you want and well see what we can do.we are also putting a link to our company with your proposal let us know your views on it thank you.

http://www.phpbbplanet.com/grimreaper6/viewtopic.php?t=9&mforum=grimreaper6

thank you for your time,
Dir Duilio Trentino

It was a large meeting room with a large round table where many sat around their armchairs, with the room surrounded by cameras to allow proper teleconference. The looks of the individuals reunited clearly indicated their mood. A large graph with an arrow going further down was fixed to the wall, with the title "Revenues estimates: 2040-2050", and the arrow was painted in red getting below a certain line in an indication of losses by between 2042 and 2043. A man, dressed into a military uniform was the first to speak, with a clear tone of disappointment, although not directed at any of them, for it was the fault of their all, it was pointless to find those to blame for it:

"The fact is very clear here in this graph. No matter how we have conquered the local market with our small arms, for now we have been unable to acquire any significant contract overseas. As you see, the situation will in the next two years become critical, leading to the collapse of all the defenses of the Confederacy bar its militias. We have managed to stand as a self-sustaining organization for decades, and although difficult times have happened before, today it is the beginning of the greatest crisis we have ever faced. The thing is, let me be frank, we simply don't have any differential to compete against the established industries in the multinational spectrum. Nobody cares about "total awareness" high-grade electronics systems, cost-effectiveness, independence from fossil fuels or fuel and resources efficiency at all: all they want is the fastest, most armored and most powerful technologies at their disposal, no matter how it is going to ruin their roads and be particularly unwieldy for most urban and warfare in sloppy, roughed terrains compared to a lighter weight solution or if they are going to drain their maintenance budgets and fossil fuels reserves faster. You heard it right people, we have a peculiar vision of operational needs which opposes the mainstream, thus now unless something is done to ensure at least a niche in the market, during the next ten years Third Spanish States will eventually have no regular military, and you understand what the implications of such crippling vulnerability would be. If we were in other places and had other principles, we could force people to pay taxes to fund our efforts, however, that is oppression formalized through law, and thus we must find a solution to increase our revenues, and we must do it in a few years or everything will be over, not only for us, but for the Confederacy and all its close anarchist allies. Do you understand? Now, if any of you have any proposal to make, this is of utmost urgency, for even if Tienda del Coche offers us some financial aid, it will only serve to delay the collapse and bankrupcy of our forces"

A man arose then, and said: "We need feedback. Maybe if we ask to potential customers we failed to attend the demands of what was lacking we can direct efforts to improve our products further, even if for only exports. Also, it's time for the Cáscara 2 to be released. Nevermind the fact it is an Heavy Assault Tank under our terms, because out there it would fit as the usual-grade main battle tank. I think it has more chances of being successful than our other two technologies. Regarding other technologies, I also believe we should prove them... in the field. And next time we should issue better field manuals perhaps. I suspect they have left untouched many of the electronics during their tests because of the unconventional existence of a full operating system running them."

The spokesperson and starter of the debate then said: "In the field? We can't just go around waging war randomly, unless... yes! It have been too long that we have tolerated the existence of that monstrous government of Soviet Spain. Now that we have drained many of our reserves from the times we had better financial figures with the SODE, we have at least a chance should those Stalinist tyrants decide to launch their tiny collection of nuclear ballistic missiles on us. However, is that really the only way? I would rather think that using a war as a marketing ploy for our technologies which never were tested on real combat wouldn't be one of the secondary goals over our primaries. We are actually starting to look like capitalists"

An woman dressed in a medical uniform then smiled to the spokesperson, replying: "If we were capitalists, we would use our nuclear arsenal to leverage money and invade as many small States as possible without calling too much attention to plunder their wealths and exploit their people. No, there is nothing wrong on wanting to use a war to liberate dozens of millions from oppression as a tool to promote sales, and thus profits that shall be used to fund freedom fighters, and even schools and hospitals. I remember when I graduated at one of our MilNet universities, when I needed of medical care in one of our hospitals. We are much more than a military force or a business, we are an entire society on our own. We will survive this crisis. I agree with our friends, and maybe we should use our existing expertise to design something more... expensive, gas-guzzling, phallic, maintenance-intensive, ridiculously overpowered and over-armored"

The meeting continued, dozens have made suggestions, nonetheless, soon a message would arrive to the EVCF Office of Procurement and Office of Evaluation, with a polite request, which would hopefully would be attended:


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FROM: Ruiz Sanchez, MilNet manager and representative (rsanchez@milnet.tss)
SUBJECT: Please give us your feedback and opinion on the Sino 2A1-E MBT


Erislal wrote:

In the category of Main Battle Tank, the Demonstration Regiments have recommended the LY4A1 "Wolfhound" by Lyran Arms. Far heavier and more heavily protected than any MBT the EVGS has to date fielded, it still performs and maneuvers like a dream, according to most testimonies. We are pleased to adopt the tank as the MBT S4A1(LY) "Wolfhound." Our thanks to Lyran Arms for providing such an outstanding product.

As an adopted policy of the MilNet and TdC, whenever one of our products don't meet all the expectations of our potential buyers, we have deep interest into having at least a brief explanation on what were the perceived shortcomings of our offer in comparison to the chosen one, and if possible, I politely would like to ask on behalf of our continual efforts to provide excellence in the market, that you inform a simple "ranking", where logically the LY4A1 "Wolfhound" would be in the first place, ordering which of the offered products have been the most commended after it, and I also politely asked the reasons not only for your choice, but the reason why the other options were not chosen and for the way each offer was position in such ranking. In the end, the more potential offers are in the market, more the prices will reduce to the final customer as per the supply and offer law, thus, through mutual information feedback we will end contributing with each other. I will be awaiting for your answer. And regardless of the fact our offer was not chosen in the end, thank you for your interest.

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TO: Responsible Authorities in Erislaw
CC: milnet.public@commerce.tss, diplonet.public@exports.tss
FROM: Ruiz Sanchez, MilNet manager and representative (rsanchez@milnet.tss)
SUBJECT: Please give us your feedback and opinion on the Sino 2A1-E MBT



As an adopted policy of the MilNet and TdC, whenever one of our products don't meet all the expectations of our potential buyers, we have deep interest into having at least a brief explanation on what were the perceived shortcomings of our offer in comparison to the chosen one, and if possible, I politely would like to ask on behalf of our continual efforts to provide excellence in the market, that you inform a simple "ranking", where logically the LY4A1 "Wolfhound" would be in the first place, ordering which of the offered products have been the most commended after it, and I also politely asked the reasons not only for your choice, but the reason why the other options were not chosen and for the way each offer was position in such ranking. In the end, the more potential offers are in the market, more the prices will reduce to the final customer as per the supply and offer law, thus, through mutual information feedback we will end contributing with each other. I will be awaiting for your answer. And regardless of the fact our offer was not chosen in the end, thank you for your interest.

EVCF Office of Evaluation

We're quite happy to provide the basic rationale of our choices. The fact of the matter is, the Sino series had a very dedicated following among our tankers, being low profile and high mobility, and if a ranking system could be determined, was the best contender for 'second place' in the trials.

The primary issues that devalued it compared to the LY4A1 series were as follows;

1) No native biodiesel industry of significant size in Erislal. This is more of a "meta" concern than a specific failing of the vehicle, but strategic considerations are important, and the market in Erislal simply does not seem inclined to develop biodiesel as a primary fuel source, and you can understand why having to import fuel reserves for one specific vehicle in our inventory would be disfavorable.

2) Commonality between the Wolfhound and Ironheart/Hornet command, control, and logistical systems. Given the relationship of these units to one another, it was virtually impossible to consider fielding one without the other. Instead of having to integrate hardware and software packages from differing origins, our primary mechanized units now share a common origin point.

3) Perceived role. The Sino struck the evaluation teams as an excellent, indeed outstanding force-projection vehicle. Its compact size and high maneuverability requirements, as well as superb observational capabilities, would make it suitable for aggressive maneuvers into hostile, minimally reconnoitered territory. However, force projection is not within the capability or intent of the EVCF or of Erislal itself at this time. Our primary concern was a Main Battle Tank that would ensure survivability of its crew in the event of virtually any heavy attack, and the Wolfhound demonstrated superior qualities in this regard, especially in regards (once again) to command commonality.

We thank you for your concerns, and wish you the best of luck in your future proposals. Given the quality of the equipment your concerns offered, we hope sincerely you will consider making a bit to our next trials.

Regards
General Hann Rikers, EVCF/OE

TO: EVCF Office of Procurement/Office of Evaluation
FROM: Lyran Governmental Trade Department

It is with great pleasure that I received and forwarded your nation's intention to utilise Lyran Arms as your supplier for the IFV, MBT and combat attire categories. Field Marshal Wallington, Senior Officer of the Protectorate Research and Development Commission, will no doubt be exceptionally pleased.

Given the (likely) large scale usage of Lyran hardware, we offer the option to generate a package deal that most suitably fits the requirements of your military.

Should you be interested, please let us know.

Stand undaunted

Lieutenant-General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department
Bredubar
Protectorate of Lyras

EVCF/OP

To Lieutenant-General Aleksandr

We are indeed quite interested in development of 'package' deals to help choose the optimal mix of equipment for our armored forces. We eagerly await contact to work the details out.

Regards
General Loes Cann

TO: General Cann, EVCF Office of Procurement/Office of Evaluation
FROM: Lyran Governmental Trade Department

Sir

With regarding packages for production and distribution, the best fit for your military will depend on exactly how your military intends to operate, and with what additional hardware.

The more information you can provide, the more accurate and precise the calculations.

Stand undaunted

Lieutenant-General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department
Bredubar
Protectorate of Lyras

To: General Loes Cann, Office of Procurement
General Hann Rikers, Office of Evaluation

From: Dir Duilio Trentino

This is a package list we have come up with with most of what your equipment may look like. please let us know what types of systems like commo,NBC,weapon types, ammo types, etc. we also understand you want NATO compatable equipment well we can refurbish your equipment plus make your systems NATO standard so tell what you want and well see what we can do.we are also putting a link to our company with your proposal let us know your views on it thank you.

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thank you for your time,
Dir Duilio Trentino

EVCF/OP

After due consideration, we have elected to submit 5400 of our BTR-60 and 96 of our T-55 vehicles for your company's upgrade programme.

The specifications will be as follows;
1200 BTR-60 to be converted to Ambulances (cited as 1 Million $NS per unit in your proposal).
1200 BTR-60 to be converted to Armored Recovery Vehicles (cited as 1.5 Million $NS per unit in your proposal).
3000 BTR-60 to be converted to BTR-3U IFV Standard (cited at 1.2 Million $NS per unit in your proposal).
96 T-55 to be converted to T-55 UCV standard (cited at 3.5 Million $NS per unit in your proposal).

Total price of the packages in question will therefore tally to; 6.94 bn $NS. We will pay in three installments of roughly 2.4 bn $NS over three years, with delivery of the IFVs expected the first year, the ARVs the second, and the Ambulances the third.


Regards
General Loes Cann, EVCF/OP

TO: General Cann, EVCF Office of Procurement/Office of Evaluation
FROM: Lyran Governmental Trade Department

Sir

With regarding packages for production and distribution, the best fit for your military will depend on exactly how your military intends to operate, and with what additional hardware.

The more information you can provide, the more accurate and precise the calculations.

Stand undaunted

Lieutenant-General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department
Bredubar
Protectorate of Lyras

EVCF/OP

Traditionally, the EVCF has suffered inefficiencies in the area of combined-arms combat. Our general mode of operation during our nation's formative civil war, for example, consisted of projecting armored assets forward as far as possible until resistance was encountered, then bringing up independent motor rifle regiments in BTRs, supported by mobile guns and mortars, to break up the concentrations.

We're looking to modify that mode of thinking substantially, with organic infantry assets in what we hope will become five Armored Divisions; Our planners have suggested that the ideal composition for armored forces is to focus assets at the brigade level, rather than to tie the materials to full integrated warfare. Our proposed mix is thus far three identical, semi-independent brigades with a common supply and escort chain, with modest reserved artillery at the divisional level.

For example, one proposed model;
3 brigades with (each) 2 mechanized infantry battalions, 1 armored battalion, an armored artillery squadron, and an armored recon squadron (along with the general ambulance, recovery, and supply units that need less specific detailing).

Each battalion would have a supporting squadron of four 'stormdrake' mortar carriers, to operate in teams of two in order to provide on-demand fire support. We will be providing our own local, self-propelled artillery at the battalion and divisional levels.

The other concern is outfitting of our Independent Raider battalions, informally known as the Jaeger corps. These forces operate on rather informal lines, using small amphibious vehicles to quickly maneuver in the enemy backfield, causing mayhem and disorientation in their supply chain, as well as performing delay duties in dense terrain defense zones such as the Vimmuri Marshes.

We had considered replacing their Puddlewagon amphibious trucks (which have always suffered from reduced crew and supply capacity) with the outstanding Fox vehicle, but the Jaegers have proven hesitant since it can only ford a fixed depth rather than operate truly amphibiously. Perhaps some accord could be reached here? However, we will be using the Hornet/Ironheart mobile gun system to replace their PT-76 support vehicles at a rate of 3 per battalion (for a total of 15 mobile guns).

Of course, despite our substantial economy and earnest desire to outfit every one of our troops with everything needed to win a war, we are a nation of only so many means, so further projects will of course have to wait.

We await your consideration.

Regards
General Loes Cann, EVCF/OP

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Gen. Loes Cann
[address]
CONFED OF ERISLAL

General Cann,

It is regrettable that our products (the Type 97 and Type 95 combat vehicles) did not match the trials which you put them through earlier this week. As my company is very much interested in providing only the best quality products to our clients, I would like to follow up on the results of your tests and ask, specifically, on what points our vehicles did not perform to your standards.

Sincerely,

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Gao Aorong
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Sales Department

The Hornet won out because it was easier for us to integrate the native systems of the Wolfhound and the Hornet for large operations, than to tie the Hornet in with the Eclipse. The Raiders are also adopting the Hornet mobile gun platform, I believe, but their mortar and OP units will be Eclipses.

OCC: While, it was easier, I just would like to point out that you might not be aware that it wouldn't be impossible to integrate the native systems of the Wolfhound and the Hornet (LY219) into the Eclipse. Working with our engineers it would probably take at most a year or as little as a few months. The Eclipse was built from the ground up with the understanding that it be highly adaptable to any new technology or system that might appear including that of other nations. Furthermore, UEMS has extensive knowledge and experience working with and modifying foreign systems to make sure they work with our systems and with over 500 international customers, that's a lot of experience that has been built up.

One other thing, the Eclipse did have a mobile gun platform when I originally created it, but I decided to edit it out about two weeks ago in favor of revamping the design a little. I did that revamp today and added quite a bit of new stuff including a redesigned Mobile Gun System. Lastly, the Eclipse is one of my most adaptable designs as such it results in the post of it being one of the most highly edited. So what you see today might be in the future something entirely different. Furthermore, if you got a technology or system you would like to see integrated into it, more then likely I would add it in as I never turn down a good idea.

Sorry for the long OCC message.

Nations whose equipment has been selected are encouraged to reply to this briefing in order to set up a payment schedule, as a purchase of the magnitude intended exceeds any single-year budget for the department of procurement.

Regards and Wishes

General Loes Cann, Office of Procurement
General Hann Rikers, Office of Evaluation

Dear Sirs [General Loes Cann, Office of Procurement and General Hann Rikers, Office of Evaluation],

Though we are a little sadden that our design didn't meet all of your qualifications, we are happy to hear that their ease of maintenance was very much appreciated by your soldiers and that you have decided to purchase a few Eclipses after all. We eagerly await your reply when you finally announce the final details of your armed forces procurement plan. As for a payment schedule, having done many business arrangements with many nations of the preceding centuries, UEMS determine long ago that letting the ordering nation determine it's own payment method work out the best for all involved. However, UEMS did impose a few restrictions after a few problems with that system arose. The most severe restriction being a payment plan that didn't extending beyond ten years. However, in this case we are willing to forgo that ruling.

Sincerely, Nicholas Stevens

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Phone: 1-83-426-4729
Fax: 1-83-426-4726
Email: products@hsaiomc.jn

83 Shan Wu North Rd.
Huanmao Province
Huanmao, 106-09
REP OF JEUNA


Gen. Loes Cann
[address]
CONFED OF ERISLAL

General Cann,

It is regrettable that our products (the Type 97 and Type 95 combat vehicles) did not match the trials which you put them through earlier this week. As my company is very much interested in providing only the best quality products to our clients, I would like to follow up on the results of your tests and ask, specifically, on what points our vehicles did not perform to your standards.

Sincerely,

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Gao Aorong
gao.ao@hsaiomc.jn
Sales Department

EVCF/OP

In essence, the type 97 and 95 vehicles did not specifically fail per se, although the decision to mount the fuel tanks externally on an MBT did reduce its value somewhat in the eyes of the evaluating teams.

The main reason was that the combination of the Wolfhound and Hornet series AFVs was a stronger contender for the short-range, localized conflicts the EVCF is most accustomed to dealing with. The additional mobility of the type 97's large fuel capacity would be of outstanding value if the EVCF were interested in force projection beyond Erislal borders, but it is not. Additionally, the Type 95 is not amphibious, and Erislal has a great deal of coastal, littoral, and marshland areas that a conventional IFV simply would not suffice for.

We hope this satisfies your inquiry, and invite you to submit future designs for further consideration.

Regards

General Loes Cann, EVCF/OP

TO: General Cann, EVCF Office of Procurement/Office of Evaluation
FROM: Lyran Governmental Trade Department

Sir

The outline you have forwarded regarding brigade level formations is acknowledged, and we do congratulate you on a feasible and effective ground-based unit.

We do, however, wish to advise that the use of rotary aviation assets can prove indispensable, especially in limited mobility or littoral environments. Indirect fire, especially properly networked (as the Cromwell II allows) can also be devastating, and the utility of raider units, with access to extreme-range, precision strike artillery, is difficult to overstate.

To that end, we strongly advise that you examine the details of the TRA-92 attack helicopter, LY300 "Manticore" multiple rocket system (which shares very high commonality with the LY4) and LY589 Hellion advanced cruise missile. All of the above are, of course, available through Lyran Arms.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

Stand undaunted

Lieutenant-General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department
Bredubar
Protectorate of Lyras

EVCF/OP

The EVCF is quite aware of the need for supporting assets, but we have a native V/STOL engineering complex that we will be referring our initial requests in that field to.

However, we do invite you (given our outlined needs) to submit a basic package proposal for the formation of armored divisions. Outline whatever supporting assets you recommend, and the EVCF will modify the purchase as based on our needs and economy at the time. A great deal of our defense budget is expended on improved training and development concerns, and is not always available for massed purchases in every field.

Regards.

General Loes Cann, EVCF/OP

TO: General Cann, EVCF Office of Procurement/Office of Evaluation
FROM: Lyran Governmental Trade Department

Sir

Our own base package for armoured divisions is, as we speak, being updated, based on more readily available equipment and the influx of the LY6 Werewolf assault gun/tank destroyer. As these systems become integrated with the Lyran ORBAT, we will notify you of our suggestions.

Should you seek a particular emphasis, please do not allow price to concern you. We are happy to extend credit, and are willing to accept very long repayment periods. Truly, it is our honour to be of service.

If you have any questions, as always, please do not hesitate to ask.

Stand undaunted

Lieutenant-General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department
Bredubar
Protectorate of Lyras