NationStates Jolt Archive

[OOC: (Read me first, dammit!) As stated in the title, this thread is open to COMMENTS ONLY for the time being, any actual action, unless it is from Greston of course, is unwanted. If anyone has any OOC comments or questions then please TG me. Thank you.]

[EDIT: A Quick Recap, Greston has accepted our terms of conditional surrender:
Our Ultimatum (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13602973&postcount=1)
Revised Demands (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13606931&postcount=7)
Declaration of War (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13607349&postcount=13)
Reasoning (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13608317&postcount=21)
Conditional Surrender (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13610015&postcount=37)
Grestonian Public Apology (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=554283)]


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Official Diplomatic Communiqué
The Imperial Republic of New Pictavia
ENCRYPTION: Open Declaration: Free Broadcast
TO: President and Brigader John Batther, The Imperial Republic of Greston
SUBJECT: Order of cease and desist
DATE: 12 APRIL MMVIII

MESSAGE: I, among others, have been monitoring Greston's recent activities on the world stage, and as a civilized person I'm quite frankly appalled. President Batther does nothing more than throw the weight of Greston around, often bullying other, smaller nations in a manner unbecoming of a national leader. Thus, I demand that President Batther immediately issues a public apology to all those Greston has wronged in the past and immediately desists from his warmongering ways. Furthermore, for bothering me on my day off, we demand a tribute of five-hundred-billion Universal Standard Dollars or substantial territories in reparation for Greston's inexcusable lack of etiquette. Failure to comply within a very generous twenty-four hours will result in an immediate declaration of war by New Pictavia against Greston, with the ultimate goal of capturing or terminating President Batther thus removing him from office. If said goal is deemed unreachable, you may rest assured that a secondary objective of ours will be to completely incapacitate the Grestonian military from offshore operations in order to handicap the Grestonian ability to wage war and subsequently bother the rest of the civilized world.

We are not afraid of those who you may attempt to hide behind, namely the respectable conglomerates of ADAN and Mediterranica, and should you attempt to involve said parties in aggressive action against the Pictish peoples we have no shortage of allies who wish too see the demise of Greston achieved.

Regards,
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Gaius Kadesh, Imperial Parliamentarian,
Consul of New Pictavia.

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As expected, we will be monitoring this situation closely. While we agree that the Grestonian President has behaved in an unseeming way for a man in his stature, is is our humble opinion than 500 Billion per day is too much salary, even for a man in Consul Kadesh's position.

Thank you

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Official Communique from the Government of Volzgrad

I must admit, you're doing what Volzgrad should have done long ago. Since the beginning of our former communist regime to the current republic, Greston has never ceased to trouble us with declarations of war and threats. Only the timely arrival of a full fledged civil war in Volzgrad halted Greston's advance. I assure you that everyone in Volzgrad wants to see that fool Batther die. If Greston refuses to pay reparations and continues warmongering, then Volzgrad will aid you in taking down this mad man and his nation of patriotic idiots.

Yours in amity,
President Gregor Venkov

To Imperial Parliamentarian Consul Gaius Kadesh of New Pictavia,

Fuck off.

Sorry for such a rude introduction but it is much more straight and forward then saying, "Please withdraw your ultimatum." I must say, you did get a laugh out of me. I may not wish to draw the glorious empires of Mediterranica and ADAN into this but if you are to make such an offence then they must, under law, help us. It is written in both charters of both alliances and they will abide by even if we do not request the said aid. I do not wish to bring my allies into this silly excuse of an inexcusable ultimatum but they will abide by their laws and they will help if you hypocrites make the first offence.

No public apology shall be made nor a grant of many or land to you my hypocritical friend. Obviously this is because of the message we made to the nation of Suzannah. That message was not threatening or mean. In my eyes it was a joke pointing out the fact that the only things happening to smaller nations are pestering civil wars.

As for a grant of land or money from me to you quite simply you should understand that that is about as likely as the sky falling down upon earth. I may make an apology and I may not but for you to go to war for money is appalling in itself. Instead the five-hundred-billion shall go to better causes like education, safety, and the military among others.

You set forth your idea for a deal now it is my turn, Consul Kadesh. First you withdraw you ultimatum. Secondly you shall cease and desist threatening Greston and her allies. Thirdly you get it straight that no money from Greston to Consul Kadesh shall be sent. Fourthly we will issue a public apology be it that it contradicts my earlier statements. And fifthly all we shall do is such; issue an apology, nothing more no money, no land, no excuses, and most definitely no mindless war. We have stopped our warmongering slightly and it has lessened over the long time. Our war with Volzgrad was justified after they threatened us with no end for months on end. The war with Ixania we were forced into and if it wasn't for us it wouldn't have ended. Other than those two, large conflicts Greston has not been in any armed conflict in a while.

You should have issued this two years ago.

President and Brigader John Batther

To: His Excellency, Gaius Kadesh, Consul of New Picatvia.
From: His Imperial and Serene Majesty, Michael VI of New Chalcedon.
Re: Bullying and threats.

Your Excellency;

Greston has, in the past, indulged in acts of aggression, and has even attempted to bully other nations into territorial cesions. However, of late Greston has proven more willing to talk and less interested in bullying. Webelieve that this habit should be encourage, not punished, and therefore suggest that you accept President Batther's offer of a formal apology, leaving it at that. Quite frankly, your demand for extortionate compensation leaves us, at least, unimpressed. While we are not interested in another war at present, we do offer guarded support for the Impeial Republic of Greston in this case. Please, be reasonable.

Yours,

Michael VI,
Emperor and Lord of New Chalcedon;
Grand Duke of Constantinopolis Secundus,
etc.,etc., etc.

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Open Communique from the Empire of Mephras

The Empire of Mephras, having dealt with Greston recently, in was could be politely stated as an undesirable situation, certainly understands the frustrations of the New Pictavians. However, we were also witness to the wisdom of the Grestonian government in ceasing a war in Europe that could have caused the lives of millions. It must be noted that recent events do seem to show evidence of a less aggressive Grestonian government.

Futhermore, to engage in boastful posturing and brinksmanship places you on the same level as that which you claim to detest. Tribute? If one truly had peace and goodwill in his heart, would he not wish more for money to go to those in the most need, rather than to the coffers of a Consul already holding vast treasuries? Certainly the money would be better spent on developmental projects in Greston? Furthermore, such a large amount would no doubt lead to suffering of the common people of Greston, who only wish to feed and protect their own families.

While we watch this situation with much concern, we shall not involve ourselves on either side at this time. We hope only that man can live peacefully with man, and that together we can march toward better days. We would urge meaningful dialog and thought, not brutal demands and threats of arms.

May God save Us all,
HRH Mei Mian
Empress of Mephras

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Official Diplomatic Communiqué
The Imperial Republic of New Pictavia
ENCRYPTION: Open Declaration: Free Broadcast
TO: President and Brigader John Batther, all parties concerned
SUBJECT: RE: "Fuck off"
DATE: 13 APRIL MMVIII

MESSAGE: Firstly, let me assure you of the intentions of our demands. In the extremely unlikely event the Grestonian barbarians would choose peace over that of violence, the funds would be best used serving humanitarian crisis resulting from the devastation of war waged by the likes of Batther and his rather common 'mob'. I believe many of you are of the opinion that it would be more effectively utilized in developing Grestonian infrastructure, however the current regime is no longer worth the trust of the onlooking globe to cease it's use of defensives forces for primarily unjustified offencive actions against those who lack the means to repel said invasion. Thus, we believe that the risk of Greston utilizing any such resources to fund its unjust conquests runs too great, and so we shall issue a revised set of demands to highlight our efforts at maintaining global peace:

President and Brigader John Batther and his government are to abdicate immediately following his public apology to all states previously wronged by the Grestonian aggressor. A new government will be elected through the democratic process. Furthermore, the Grestonian military will reduce it's list of servicemen and equipment to ten per-cent of it's current capacity. Since you seem to believe, Mister Batther, that you have so many allies, your defence should theoretically be secured and your current internationally-aggressive policies void. Finally, Greston will open it's borders to multi-national troops, stationed in sufficiently accommodating bases to ensure the state does not revert to it's previous ways.

If you wish me to put this rather crudely, as it appears you seem to prefer, Mister Batther, my cock is bigger than yours, dare I say it; smarter, and it can piss farther. Do you not see how such an attitude enrages the world? If it appears familiar, this is because I have witnessed it to be the principal of Grestonian foreign policy in the previous years. However, I do not write in the interest of waging a war of words, I write only to ensure that Greston is stripped of it's means to inflict unjustifiable suffering on innocent nations, and state that if this cannot be met with reason through the diplomatic process, blood will be spilt to ensure the greater peace.

We are not concerned of your plight for continued negotiation, since this option was never available to the targets of Grestonian violence previously. Batther will be stripped of his means to cause suffering one way, or another.

Regards,
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Gaius Kadesh, Imperial Parliamentarian,
Consul of New Pictavia.

OOC:

Assuming Time Warped past the meeting of our two fellow leaders

IC:

From the Desk of the Chief Governor, United Republic of Anagonia

Dear Gaius the world at Large,

Let it be known that no matter what action is taken, the United Republic will gladly stand behind Nova Pictavia. We are eternal allies, bound by brotherhood and sacrifice. Anagonia will live to see the day that Pictavia thrives into the future, and as such any Nations it deems hostile towards the integrity of Nova Pictavia, and the world at large, shall be met in the same eyes with understanding in the United Republic.

I cannot express the joy at seeing you address a much-needed problem, Greston. While Anagonia might have seen fit to do such a feat, we more than likely would have just launched a nuclear strike and be done with it. Enjoying the battles that would come from their allies and so on and so forth. Thankfully, we did not, and you did. Because quite frankly I would have been leading a nuclear wasteland myself.

That beside the fact, the United Republic Military stands besides Nova Pictavia, to be used by her will, for her defense, and for her offensive needs. No amount of destructive power shall be kept from Nova Pictavia to use, and we will gladly slaughter thousands just for the joy of it. Thats just understand the military nature of the United Republic, seeing as we do enjoy a nice war here and there.

Considering the facts of the situation, I do so hope we are not called. Seeing as this is a personal thing. After all, Greston is just a minor annoyance and easily taken care of. Her allies easily persuaded to think of better measures than protecting something as...how shall I put it?....worthless as her military and people. I would personally pay to see Greston nuked by someone else, a high fancy of currency. Our entertainment channels shall rejoice at the ratings!

Oh yes...the world is a fun place. Memories of past wars and people who thought their dicks were bigger than mine, so to speak.

Anyway, nevertheless we will watch and wait for the order. Whatever the Imperium demands, we shall follow suit. If peace is in order, we will whine and complain about the lack of bloodshed and eventually get over it. I mean, we can go find someone else to obliterate...right?

Your truly,
Dunan Ruu
Chief Governor of the United Republic of Anagonia
Obvious Nuke Fanatic, and liker of big explosion with booms and stuff
Also enjoys Vodka, tea, coffee, and things that say "Meow" a lot

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The Autocratic Federated Empire stands behind New Pictavia. The brutish and disrespectful way that Greston conducts external affairs has been noted in the past by Akimonad, and will no longer be tolerated.

The tendency of President Batther to throw his country's weight around is disturbing because, quite frankly, Greston has no weight to throw around.

However, the aggressive threats that Greston constantly issues to nations far smaller than it have grown irritating and we will not stand them any longer.

Thus we declare the following: Should Greston submit to the terms of the Pictish Ultimatum, you shall remain unharmed.

Should you not submit, however, we will forcibly annex your colonies.

Think about it. It should be a rather simple decision for such feeble-minded people such as yourselves.

~Dr. Jules Hodz,
Lord Protector

To Imperial Parliamentarian Consul Gaius Kadesh of New Pictavia,

Now can you please list some people affected by Grestonian violence. Thus far we have only been apart of propaganda and threats that lead no where. Our worst offence of late was being legally forced into war and then stopping it. Our wars die out. Our wars disipate and never go anyway, they are just a bunch of ranting and rambling.

Be it that our alliances are legall binded to aid us who says they will? Under no means shall I lessen our already small military forces just because some big corporate hypocrits said so. We have bean stripping our means to wage war and we have stopped our "outrageos" warmongering. I have seen what comes of it and I have stopped it from happening and I am lessening it proggressively in Greston. By no means shall I ever let forces from another nation like yours or others that have opposite interests then Greston enter our nation and be accomadated in it.

As for my presence in office, I was voted in. My term ends at the end of the year in April (RL May) so I guess you must wait until then for the Grestonian populace to vote in another President. They shall, however, vote in a president from Greston and the election shall not be polluted by your hypocritical, redundant politics.

The only things I agree upon on your new "revised" proposal are the ones of a democratic eletion, which there already is in Greston, and the public apology. I would gladly give money and charitable services to those who I wronged earlier on in war and those who my previous president harmed but not to you. Not to your allies that have nothing to do with this. 500 billion USDs to you for nothing is meaningless and would just cause a giant gap in our economy. You'd become rich for being an asshole.

You lable it as that we cause suffering worldwide and that all that I have done while in office was cause pain and war. I have done many, many diplomatic services to the world. I have allowed diplomatic reasoning and I have changed the outcome of conflicts from massive wars with tons of pain and misery into peace. I have allowed peace and I have done all of which you accuse me not to. You wish to wage war on something which is exactly what you are doing.

I once again remind you that you should have sent this two years ago during the middle of my term. I am on my fifth and final year and I shall stay in office untill then. We shall not abide by your ultimatum except for the statements I have already agreed to (i.e. the democratic eletion, the cease of unreasonable warfare, and a public apology) but nothing more.

No go have fun shoving your "large" cock into the ass of Haven and Anagonia.

President and Brigader John Batther

To Lord Protector Jules Hodz of The Autocratic Federated Empire of AKimonad,

Well let me put this in simple terms so you may understand:

Greston agrees with New Pictavia's Ultimatum on the exception that they back the hell off, I finish off my term, our armed forces remain at the size they currently are, and that their troops are not allowed to land here. The major things are bing taken care of so it shouldn't matter. Would it now?

President and Brigader John Batther

To Imperial Parliamentarian Consul Gaius Kadesh of New Pictavia,

Now can you please list some people affected by Grestonian violence. Thus far we have only been apart of propaganda and threats that lead no where. Our worst offence of late was being legally forced into war and then stopping it. Our wars die out. Our wars disipate and never go anyway, they are just a bunch of ranting and rambling.

Be it that our alliances are legall binded to aid us who says they will? Under no means shall I lessen our already small military forces just because some big corporate hypocrits said so. We have bean stripping our means to wage war and we have stopped our "outrageos" warmongering. I have seen what comes of it and I have stopped it from happening and I am lessening it proggressively in Greston. By no means shall I ever let forces from another nation like yours or others that have opposite interests then Greston enter our nation and be accomadated in it.

As for my presence in office, I was voted in. My term ends at the end of the year in April (RL May) so I guess you must wait until then for the Grestonian populace to vote in another President. They shall, however, vote in a president from Greston and the election shall not be polluted by your hypocritical, redundant politics.

The only things I agree upon on your new "revised" proposal are the ones of a democratic eletion, which there already is in Greston, and the public apology. I would gladly give money and charitable services to those who I wronged earlier on in war and those who my previous president harmed but not to you. Not to your allies that have nothing to do with this. 500 billion USDs to you for nothing is meaningless and would just cause a giant gap in our economy. You'd become rich for being an asshole.

You lable it as that we cause suffering worldwide and that all that I have done while in office was cause pain and war. I have done many, many diplomatic services to the world. I have allowed diplomatic reasoning and I have changed the outcome of conflicts from massive wars with tons of pain and misery into peace. I have allowed peace and I have done all of which you accuse me not to. You wish to wage war on something which is exactly what you are doing.

I once again remind you that you should have sent this two years ago during the middle of my term. I am on my fifth and final year and I shall stay in office untill then. We shall not abide by your ultimatum except for the statements I have already agreed to (i.e. the democratic eletion, the cease of unreasonable warfare, and a public apology) but nothing more.

No go have fun shoving your "large" cock into the ass of Haven and Anagonia.

President and Brigader John Batther

OOC:

This thread has me laughing my ass off, literally.

IC:

Personal response to having Anagonia in your statement

Dear President John Batther,

Please be reminded not to step outside of Greston. We would never willingly dictate your foreign policy, but we can change our own. Remember that, because we never forget a trophy like yourself. Especially since you'd make a nice addition to a slaughter-house.

In regards to your comments about not "pushing" small nations, your a lair and a thief. Once already I've noted your so-called "peace-loving tree humping" attitude. In that case, I know your a fraud. All I was intending to do was to actually get you to talk. Considering you did talk, and more, I'm inclined to just..you know..do something about it.

But I won't, until you take a personal trip or some other things. I'll be watching you, my Military will be closely monitoring your movements. And when you make a move to leave your nation, I don't care where, we'll be there. You won't know its us, and you sure as hell won't be able to tell. But one way or another, I'll get that Smokin' Bar-B-Q I've always wanted.

Have a nice life,
Dunan Ruu
Chief Governor of the United Republic of Anagonia
IN UR BASE, WATCHIN UR PRON

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Official Diplomatic Communiqué
The Imperial Republic of New Pictavia
ENCRYPTION: Open Declaration: Free Broadcast
TO: The Imperial Republic of Greston
SUBJECT: DECLARATION OF WAR
DATE: 13 APRIL MMVIII

MESSAGE: It appears that you cannot even keep a civil tongue in a situation as fragile and dangerous as this, Mister Batther. Your inability to take this seriously will be your downfall, I assure you, as I have no faith in the word of a man of such composure and aggression. You seek to provoke us, and we shall retaliate accordingly in the hope that the Grestonian war machine will be destroyed and it's reign of terror abolished.

I, Consul Gaius Kadesh of New Pictavia hereby issue a formal, reasoned and absolute declaration of war against the Imperial Republic of Greston.


Regards,
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Gaius Kadesh, Imperial Parliamentarian,
Consul of New Pictavia.

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Official Diplomatic Communiqué
The Imperial Republic of New Pictavia
ENCRYPTION: Open Declaration: Free Broadcast
TO: The Imperial Republic of Greston
SUBJECT: DECLARATION OF WAR
DATE: 13 APRIL MMVIII

MESSAGE: It appears that you cannot even keep a civil tongue in a situation as fragile and dangerous as this, Mister Batther. Your inability to take this seriously will be your downfall, I assure you, as I have no faith in the word of a man of such composure and aggression. You seek to provoke us, and we shall retaliate accordingly in the hope that the Grestonian war machine will be destroyed and it's reign of terror abolished.

I, Consul Gaius Kadesh of New Pictavia hereby issue a formal, reasoned and absolute declaration of war against the Imperial Republic of Greston.


Regards,
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Gaius Kadesh, Imperial Parliamentarian,
Consul of New Pictavia.

OOC:

Telegram, nao!

EDIT: OOC This should be under the category of comment unless I misunderstand you. And it's to music.


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Seal of the Most Divine and Illustrious Empire of Waldenburgers

Caliga Caput Missus

On behalf of His Imperial Majesty Wyatt von Waldenburg IV of the Most Divine and Illustrious Empire of Waldenburgers, of Augsburg and her Diocese and Dominions across the sea, it shall be made known that the severity of the Pictish demands, along with their premeditated act of aggression have forced the Imperial War Ministry to call up the Serene Legions, and activate the Imperial Navy. With this missive in mind, the Silver Imperium has one week to withdraw it's declaration of war and to remain at a civil state befitting of such a august state, or it shall be made low, by the hammer that is the Holy Church and her temporal partner in the Emperor.

Our pacts made with the Imperial Republic, who has allowed the spreading of the true faith within it's borders, a far sight better than your Silver Empire , will be maintained and all Imperial property retained. For every step you take towards aggression we shall beat you back two, if you pursue war, then you shall have it. For the moment we suggest mediation. Suggest is also perhaps a misleading word, for we shall smash diplomats together until the situation is resolved. Recind your declaration Kadesh or we will bury you. History, along with God, right, reason and fortitude are on our side, step carefully Consul. Your allies may come as you promise, but we assure you they shall burn in our deserts and fall, if may unfortunately be the case by our hand.

Signed:
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The Rt. Hon Sir Rupert Fry (OIH) Waldenburger Foreign Minister

Nullis Ablogio Paxium Debarres (http://www.randallscarlata.com/Sound/file_01.mp3)

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Official Response from the Desk of the Chief Governor

Sir Rupert Fry,

Convey to your nation that, this day forth, your Holy Land is on warning. Should you decide to infringe on the right of Nova Pictavia to wage war on behalf on the unjust deeds of Greston, you shall henceforth been smacked down back to reality. Your Gods cannot save you from the genocide to come your way. Your legions of Holy Warriors shall cower in fear. Your People shall cry for mercy to Gods who shall forsake you. Your lands will never be yours again, so help me I swear.

Your military shall be made into resources, and your servicemen shall enter into the debths forsaken. You will have no burials, you will have no mercy. Everything you hold dear will be burnt to the ground, and nothing you can do shall stop the coming apocalypse. Only your withdrawl, only your absolute submission out of this conflict.

Do not engage in petty disputes, for I have no fear in seeing each and every one of your kind, your forsaken religion, smacked to the ends of the earth. You will be trampled, and you shall fall.

Go now, forsake your pathetic Greston, and forsake your gods to them. They cannot help the coming storm, nor stop it. Go now, and leave this era to oblivion. Save yourselves, for we shall save none of you.

Yours in the coming days,
Dunan Ruu
Chief Governor of the United Republic of Anagonia
END MESSAGE

OOC:

Yay....I guess I war...bleh.

EDIT:

It is a comment, so far. No OOC intentions meant, of course. :D

TO: All parties declaring war upon the Imperial Republic of Greston.
FROM: His Imperial and Serene Majesty, Michael VI of New Chalcedon.
RE: War threats.

To all interested parties,

The Empire of New Chalcedon is not imprssed by this posturing. To those who seek ideals of justice, We address this:

What justice is gained by punishing the innocent? In a war involving modern, industrialised nations, many innocent people will die. And many more will suffer due to economic dislocation. Is a hollow gesture worth this? And, mark my words, it is a hollow gesture, as the President of Greston has offered an apology, Greston has begun to reform its foreign policy, and his term of office ends shortly anyway.

In addition, there is this to consider: What people have Greston's actions killed? Bullying other nations is wrong, true. But this is happening, at Grestonian instigation at least, less than once it did. Surely it is, is it not, our responsibility as intelligent, peace-loving leaders, to encourage "good" trends of behaviour, rather than punish them?

To those who seek revenge for real or perceived past injustices, We address this:

What hungry children will your vengeance feed? What freezing mothers will it clothe? Who shall benefit from the massacre of thousands of innocent people? I submit to you that acting in a military sense to punish Greston, under these circumstances, will lead to the very injustices that you deplore. Before you commit yourselves beyond recovery, please consider this proverb: Vengeance is a road with no end, no way back, and no comfort along it.

To those who seek, crassly, profit of one kind or another, We have nothing to say except this old proverb of our people: Never concede to evil. Each time you concede to it, even if in a small way, it grows stronger.

We shall never concede to evil, in any way, shape or form. More evil would be perpetuated by our widening of the war zone, so We do not side militarily with the Imperial Republic of Greston. However, Nova Pictavia is hereby denied permission to open an Embassy in Our capital of Constantinopolis Secundus, until such time as We are convinced of, at least, their high aims.

In My own hand, this Fourteenth Day of April, in the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand and Eight;

Michael VI Doukas-Palaiologos,
Emperor and Lord of New Chalcedon,
Defender of the Realm,
etc., etc., etc.

From: Scott Lewis, First Councillor, People's Republic of Karullia
To: Gaius Kadesh, John Batther
CC: Involved Parties

Dear All,

As a friend and ally of the people of New Pictavia, Karullia agrees that Greston's bullying attitude and aggression towards smaller nations must stop. However, this is where our concurrence must end.

The First Council wish it be known that we are very disppointed in New Pictavia's calls for reperations, and for the scaling down of Greston's military and interference in the governance of a sovereign nation. We are even more shocked at the threat and declaration of war by a nation so determined to avoid the conflict currently threatening Haven.

Any war over this petty and slight insult would result in countless uncalled-for deaths, property damage and economic turmoil that no-one of good conscience could possibly condone. I hereby join the First Council's voice to that of the esteemed Emperor of New Chalcedon, and call for New Pictavia's government to retract their statement and declaration of war.

Greston and President Batther have offered an apology, and a pledge to improve their behaviour. This should be a more-than-sufficient resolution to this petty pissing contest, to use the vernacular. Do not let greed and pride be the cause of another pointless war.

I do not think I need to further state Karullia's planned neutrality should diplomacy be ignored and military action chosen. However, should such stupidity take place, Karullia will grant refuge, aid and support to any civilians affected by this conflict.

Gentlemen, I beseech you. Stop acting like public schoolboys fighting over conkers, and try and realise that you are supposed to be responsible national leaders.

Signed,

Scott Lewis
First Councillor
First Council of the People's Republic of Karullia

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OPEN MESSAGE

Dear all,
War, does it always have to come to this? How many times have the elders seen upstart, misguided nations, yet still containing a spark of hope, of peace, glassed to oblivion? Now imagine, country A has a dictator, who's been acting up, killing his population and all. The general trend in this world is to launch a large, ham-fisted invasion, preceded with WMD after WMD. Now imagine, there was an infant in B, an infant that would some day lead the country to glory, to peace. He is killed by a missile. Even if you depose the leader, the country is dead, thanks to your invasion. In a few months, it will consume itself and disappear forever.

So, I say. No, Plead. Please, accept Greston's terms, Silver Imperium. The world has seen enough war. It does not need another, especially one that could lead to two great nations falling. And please, no Nukes(Anagonia...)

Please heed my words

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President, United Socialist State Of Norsikia

We shall be keeping a watch on this situation as it continues, we hope that war will not be necessary as there seem to be many nations already involved in wars. Nevertheless we accept that your ultimatum is reasonable.

[OOC: If it comes to physical war, an OrBat will come tomorrow ]


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Official Diplomatic Communiqué
The Imperial Republic of New Pictavia
ENCRYPTION: Open Declaration: Free Broadcast
TO: All parties concerned
SUBJECT: RE: Declaration of War
DATE: 14 APRIL MMVIII

MESSAGE: Greston has bullied it's way throughout the international community in recent times, often being provocative, unreasonable and warlike. Thus, we see no reason whatsoever that Greston should, in turn, be treated any differently. Is that not wholeheartedly justifiable?

The state must surrender to our terms immediately if it wishes to be saved from destruction. Batther will be taught a lesson on international politik. Greston will be on the receiving end of the violence that has plagued others at Batther's hands. It seems the tides have turned for the Grestonian barbarians, and we only treat them as they have abhorrently treated others.

Regards,
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Gaius Kadesh, Imperial Parliamentarian,
Lord Consul of New Pictavia.

[ Yeah I don't have the patience or energy to write up a good letter slamming Greston. Just like. . . imagine this post as being a letter saying "while Jeuna does not normally support Nova Pictavia, it feels Greston should stfu and gtfo" in nicer language. ]

OPEN MESSAGE

To: All parties
Subject: Declaration of War
Date: April 14th, 2008

Ever since Taeshen lost the war (and Taeshaet) against the Imperial Republic of Greston, Miroxia has done many things to get Taeshaet: a brunch, just asking! So, Miroxia would like to aquire the island colony for herself in order to show it compassion and freedom. I will go to the point of helping Taeshaet write its own constitiution and to instate a formal, independent government. To do this, we will first need to take it back from Greston.

In the simplest I, Dictator (too all, I am a non-oppressive dictator) Durant Adams hereby on April 14th, AD 2008 at 4:05 PM (ooc- 4:05 is my RL time), declare war upon the Imperial Republic of Greston.

Thank you,
Durant Adams

(ooc- does anyone want me to open a war thread?)

OPEN MESSAGE

To: All parties
Subject: Declaration of War
Date: April 14th, 2008

Ever since Taeshen lost the war (and Taeshaet) against the Imperial Republic of Greston, Miroxia has done many things to get Taeshaet: a brunch, just asking! So, Miroxia would like to aquire the island colony for herself in order to show it compassion and freedom. I will go to the point of helping Taeshaet write its own constitiution and to instate a formal, independent government. To do this, we will first need to take it back from Greston.

In the simplest I, Dictator (too all, I am a non-oppressive dictator) Durant Adams hereby on April 14th, AD 2008 at 4:05 PM (ooc- 4:05 is my RL time), declare war upon the Imperial Republic of Greston.

Thank you,
Durant Adams

(ooc- does anyone want me to open a war thread?)

OOC:

Few things first:

1. You're a moron.

2. Taeshaet has its own constitution and the only thing that is different about it is the leader. It is completely free.

3. You're still a moron not to know that my second statement is true.

4. This has been settled peacefully and tjis is just stupid.

5. This is unjustified much like the Ultimatum. I will put up with the ultimatum but not with you.

From: People of Markiana
To:All nations involved

The nation of Markiana thinks that we should accept the apologies the goverment of Greston made. They promised to improve their behaviour.

I think we should give them some time to make these promises come true, if not we support the war at that time, but not now.

Mark
President of Markiana

OOC Of course not....Heathen.... :)

Official Response from the Desk of the Chief Governor


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Abiuro Malignus Adaeque

We shall never see our religion fall, for all of it's devotees shall burn with it. You cannot break us, our resolve and will will never shatter, as ours is the Kingdom of Heaven of which there is no equal, ours is the Dominion of the Soul which no foreign boot may defile, ours is the Command of Hearts which never falters. If we do not have justice in this lifetime we shall die content in knowing that it shall be in the next. While we push for mediation any aggressive movement will be seen as an act of war against the Waldenburg Empire, along with her Holy Church. Stay your threats sir, and reach for your steel if you are so content in this pettiness.


Signed:
The Rt. Hon. Sir Rupert Fry (OIH) Waldenburger Foreign Minister

Official Mediterranican Union Response

To: Gaius Kadesh, Consul of Nova Pictavia
From: The Mediterranican Union
Subject: Order of cease and desist

It has come to the attention of the Mediterranican Union that the Imperial Republic of New Pictavia has declared war on our friend, ally, and neighbor the Imperial Republic of Greston. We do not take kindly to the threat of invasion to region.You and your nation accuse Greston of throwing it’s weight around and bullying other nations, and yet by this very action you can be accused of the same. Ergo, we demand these ridiculous demands be withdrawn, and that you cease and desist all hostilities towards the Imperial Republic of Greston. Please think of the Pictish people before you decide to do something foolish.

Secretary-General Maran Gherud
Secretary-General of the Mediterranican Union

[OOC: A few things: Firstly, I'm sure you can all see the writing "Demonym" in my signature. It is in bold, kindly use it. Secondly, Greston has chosen to abide by a set of demands discussed through TG. Miroxia: Your war, your thread, not here please.]

Official Kyan message

Let it be known that Logan and Ky fully supports Greston in this matter, and that they are a valuable ally of ours in ADAN. Nova Pictavia's ultimatum is completely unjustifiable. If Greston is attacked, Logan and Ky shall be the first to come to their aide.

Signed,
Dmitry Mickolov
Secretary of Defence, Logan and Ky

OOC: Read the above OOC, Greston had already chosen to abide by a set of demands before Miroxia came along shouting

ooc: Hrm? I was under the impression that you had already declared war on Greston...

OOC: Well then you may interpret it as a conditional surrender of sorts. As I have said, it was agreed upon post-war via TG and was literally just about to be made public before Miroxia appeared.

[OOC: I hope you don't mind me using aspects of TGs as IC talk, it just makes more sense for the time being]

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Official Diplomatic Communiqué
The Imperial Republic of New Pictavia
ENCRYPTION: Open Declaration: Free Broadcast
TO: All parties concerned
SUBJECT: RE: Ultimatum
DATE: 14 APRIL MMVIII

MESSAGE: I address the world at this juncture, to make the international arena aware of the following: Through continued talks without negotiation with the Grestonian government a set of terms for a conditional surrender had been agreed upon that met Pictish demands. President Batther had agreed to abdicate and disband his government to make way for new, democratic elections after an international apology for recent acts is issued. The government also agreed to reduce their military capacity in troops and funding by 90% and provide the Pictish Empire with sufficient Grestonian territory to monitor the disarmament process. With such vital advancements towards a peaceful resolve, I wholeheartedly defend the brash tactics used to achieve these goals, and I believe this result speaks louder than words. HOWEVER, pending the invasion of the Grestonian Commonwealth by Miroxian forces, Batther has since withdrawn any previously proposed agreement with myself thus renewing our conflict.

To this end, I believe we have two options: New Pictavia and the Coalition of allies shall begin the destruction of Greston, or Miroxia rethinks it's foolhardy and counter-productive actions and Greston continues to honour their agreements. In the meantime, you may rest assured that Pictish forces shall mobilize for immediate engagement.

Regards,
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Gaius Kadesh, Imperial Parliamentarian,
Consul of New Pictavia.

OOC: First off read this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=554283). Secondly I never said I disagreed I said you needed to wait a little bit. Thirdly, you also said that if it came to war it would only be one on one, nice job keeping you word.

Thirdly, you also said that if it came to war it would only be one on one, nice job keeping you word.

OOC: You said something along the lines of it being your allies' legal obligation to aid you. It doesn't sound like you want a one-on-one very much.

Or would you care to explain?

OOC: You said something along the lines of it being your allies' legal obligation to aid you. It doesn't sound like you want a one-on-one very much.

Or would you care to explain?

OOC: I would've loved a one-on-one but it seems to be resolved. The reason being I said that was because of the fact for all I cared he might not have carried on when I said that. I also said that because he said don't asking the Med and ADAN for help. I was just saying they would probably come on their own accord like alot of them did.

[OOC: Well then kindly do not accuse me of not keeping my word. Also, for the purposes of this agreement, the Grestonian defence budget should now be RP-ed at 13%]

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Official Diplomatic Communiqué
The Imperial Republic of New Pictavia
ENCRYPTION: Open Declaration: Free Broadcast
TO: The Imperial Republic of Greston
SUBJECT: Conditional Surrender
DATE: 15 APRIL MMVIII

MESSAGE: I hereby announce that the government of Greston has confirmed that they accept our conditions, and our declaration of war is subsequently withdrawn. Batther has issued an apology to all nations who have lost their brave servicemen and women at the hands of Grestonian aggression, and agreed to abdicate and disband his government where upon democratic elections will take place. Reparations of five-hundred-billion Universal Standard Dollars have been paid by Greston, and will currently be secured for future use as humanitarian aid amongst military precautions against future Grestonian violations of the treaty. Greston's armed forces are also to be reduced immediately, in both funding and personnel, by fifteen-percent to limit their capacity to wage war. Greston has granted New Pictavia sufficient territory in Mediterranica to establish a sovereign base of operations with the goal of monitoring all future Grestonian activity, to be funded by their aforementioned donation. We have also received promise that our previous, undesirable exposure to Grestonian foreign policy will not be repeated, and that Greston shall cease from any and all internationally aggressive actions and instead engage in defencive operations only.

I feel that I should not have to state that should the terms of this agreement be breached at any juncture, or should any allied forces of New Pictavia come under attack from Greston that we will initiate an assault with renewed ferocity. If such events take place, we will not turn again to diplomacy, and we shall offer no-mercy.

Regards,
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Gaius Kadesh, IP (Imperial Parliamentarian),
Lord Consul of New Pictavia.

OOC:

Greston, seriously......don't make me throw bottles at you! :p

And Waldenburg 2......um.....I think I just spontaneously exploded.

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Abiuro Malignus Adaeque

There is however an issue with this treaty, one which must be brought up. We fell it excellent that an agreement has been made, but it is an agreement without legitimacy, at least if we understand the terms correctly. You propose a base within the Mediterranica to monitor Greston which in principle is acceptable, it is however a major transgression on the autonomy and security of our region. There are three options available to you at this current moment, one being give up the idea of a presence within the Med. Secondly you may privatize any holdings within the region, to make them private companies without specific loyalties to the Pictish government other than those normally assumed. Thirdly this land may apply for ambassadorial rights in which case a military presence would be limited, along with communications, transit, staff, and all associated traits of normal diplomatic relations.

Greston has no legitimacy acting in this way, in handing out land that could be used for military purposes. If no military base, or indeed presence was planed then we apologize for the letter, but this matter must be dealt with before problems arise. As Waldenburg is currently holding the office of Vice Secretary of the MU, we are willing to negociate but we will certainly not tolerate a foreign military presence, by a hastily signed treaty under duress or otherwise.

Signed:
The Rt. Hon Rupert Fry (OIH) Waldenburger Foreign Minister

-snip-

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Official Communique

The aforementioned treaty has already been agreed upon and I expect will be going into force. You are, quite frankly, too late. You snooze, you lose, as they say.

However, should you insist on continually impeding progress, I will personally educate you on why that is a bad idea. I may even ask the Anagonians for assistance.

You have been warned.

~Dr. Jules Hodz,
Lord Protector

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Official Communique

The aforementioned treaty has already been agreed upon and I expect will be going into force. You are, quite frankly, too late. You snooze, you lose, as they say.

However, should you insist on continually impeding progress, I will personally educate you on why that is a bad idea. I may even ask the Anagonians for assistance.

You have been warned.

~Dr. Jules Hodz,
Lord Protector

OFFICIAL RESPONSE

We'd be honored to show these...."nonbelievers"....about the Church of Armageddon. We'd enjoy greatly shattered their reality. Yet, we'd also enjoy how our own believers, who believe as them, participate in the Armageddon that might come.

Yours truly,
Caster Oblivion
Chief of Foreign Affairs and Activities

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COMMONWEALTH OF ROTOVIA
OFFICE OF THE LORD CHAMBERLAIN

IMPERIAL COMMUNIQUE

With consult to the government of the Constitutional Republic of Rotovia, the First Lords of the Commonwealth and the Privy Council, under command of King; we do offer the following statement.

The statements of the Lord Protector of Akimonad, Lord Consul of New Pictavia, and Chief of Foreign Affairs and Activities of Anagonia show a stark lack of diplomatic civility, which is unbecoming one engaged in diplomatic discourse.

Threats of one sovereign over another, for the use of force and economic extortion, stand not as sufferable conduct, and do not become so because of the personal offence which one party might draw from a diplomatic exchange.

To rule on the tide of unchecked emotion, and not upon rational conduct, is to throw duty to the wind.

We recommend that the terms of surrender be revisited, and cooler heads be allowed to prevail.

[signed]
Lord* Alexandra DuVoutte
Baroness of Trent, and of Hathington
First Baroness of the Privy Council
Acting Lord Chamberlain


For and on behalf of the Ministry for Foreign Affairs, Constitutional Republic of Rotovia

*The English title "Lord" is used in place of the Rotovian title "L'Ord" (meaning "my master") which is considered gender neutral. Some Rotovian nobles may make use of the title "Lady" to distinguish gender for foreigners, but it is not a common practice.

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Official Diplomatic Communiqué
The Imperial Republic of New Pictavia
ENCRYPTION: Open Declaration: Free Broadcast
TO: Rotovia; Waldenburg
SUBJECT: RE: Conditional Surrender
DATE: 15 APRIL MMVIII

MESSAGE: Since the matter is now closed and agreed upon by both parties, I shall now move to discuss this topic in place of Lord Consul Kadesh. To the interested Rotovian party, the deal struck was a conditional surrender, not an unconditional surrender imposed upon the civilian populace. Greston voluntarily agreed to our terms without a fight. If you had even bothered to engage in background-reading, you would also have noted that our demand was for free and democratic elections to replace the abdicated president and government. Finally, we note that you make calls for the end of threats of force; well since peace along our terms has now been established with Greston, it is Waldenburg who now threatens to destabilize the peace through their determination to undermine our agreement. Kindly check your facts before throwing around accusations and, 'advise'.
Now, addressing Waldenburg, we have been credited with once sovereign territory of Greston as per the peace treaty, which is now sovereign Pictish territory. The transaction is completely legal and valid, and most importantly is not subject to Waldenburg's demands. As previously mentioned, the territory is now that of the Empire, not a member of the MU and thus we may do with it whatever we please. I believe Dr.Hodz has already informed you that you are too late, and he is perfectly correct, the treaty was agreed upon by both parties yesterday upon which Imperial forces were immediately dispatched to secure our new holdings.

With the conditions previously agreed upon by both parties, and peace renewed, I hereby declare this episode closed. If Waldenburg wishes to invade what is now our sovereign territory, it will constitute a state of war against the Empire and we shall deal with that accordingly.

Regards,
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Eógan Sol, Councillor of Extra-Imperial Communications,
In representation of Lord Consul Gaius Kadesh of New Pictavia.

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Official Diplomatic Communiqué
The Imperial Republic of New Pictavia
ENCRYPTION: Open Declaration: Free Broadcast
TO: Rotovia; Waldenburg
SUBJECT: RE: Conditional Surrender
DATE: 15 APRIL MMVIII

MESSAGE: Since the matter is now closed and agreed upon by both parties, I shall now move to discuss this topic in place of Lord Consul Kadesh. To the interested Rotovian party, the deal struck was a conditional surrender, not an unconditional surrender imposed upon the civilian populace. Greston voluntarily agreed to our terms without a fight. If you had even bothered to engage in background-reading, you would also have noted that our demand was for free and democratic elections to replace the abdicated president and government. Finally, we note that you make calls for the end of threats of force; well since peace along our terms has now been established with Greston, it is Waldenburg who now threatens to destabilize the peace through their determination to undermine our agreement. Kindly check your facts before throwing around accusations and, 'advise'.
Now, addressing Waldenburg, we have been credited with once sovereign territory of Greston as per the peace treaty, which is now sovereign Pictish territory. The transaction is completely legal and valid, and most importantly is not subject to Waldenburg's demands. As previously mentioned, the territory is now that of the Empire, not a member of the MU and thus we may do with it whatever we please. I believe Dr.Hodz has already informed you that you are too late, and he is perfectly correct, the treaty was agreed upon by both parties yesterday upon which Imperial forces were immediately dispatched to secure our new holdings.

With the conditions previously agreed upon by both parties, and peace renewed, I hereby declare this episode closed. If Waldenburg wishes to invade what is now our sovereign territory, it will constitute a state of war against the Empire and we shall deal with that accordingly.

Regards,
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Eógan Sol, Councillor of Extra-Imperial Communications,
In representation of Lord Consul Gaius Kadesh of New Pictavia.

To: Lord Gaius Kadesh of New Pictavia
From: Sir Elihu De Armitage, Aschenhyrst Dominion Minister of Foreign Affairs

Subject: Settlement with Greston and Issues with the Mediterranican Union

Dear Sir,
We are are deeply concerned and agitated by the war-mongering by both sides over the issues involved with the Grestonian Settlement. We share the concerns of our Mediterranican Union Allies over the establishment of a military base within our region by a foreign power. We do understand that you aquired this territory legally, although the methods you used do seem questionable to us and do accept your wanting to monitor Grestonian disarmament. You stated the territory is now yours, not the MU`s; this is not entirely correct as Greston was not a member of the MU proper but was in general cooperation with most of the members in either defensive or trade agreements. You must understand that your 'new' presence in our region is both unexpected and presents a dynamic shift in the way we must view our neighbors. If our alliance were to have suddenly established a base of operations on your doorstep, you too would view it as suspect. You would wonder if this base would become a staging area for the subjegation of the entire region.You must understand our concerns and those of Waldenburg2 as your presence is percieved as a threat to regional sovereignty and security. We ask you show some 'Good Faith' effort to eliminate those concerns.

Respectfully,
Sir Elihu De Armitage-Aschenhyrst Dominion Minister of Foreign Affairs

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Conluvio Sanctus

In addition to Sir Elihu’s statements, fortunately, for the MU however to reach this territory you shall have to pas through MU controlled areas, and any further supplies would also. Moving troops, and occupying sovereign territory within the MU is the problem. Any militarized ship or ship carrying military arms, or materials to be used for military purposes are completely forbidden, without express consent given permission from the MU Premier. Maintaining a military base is impossible and movement to create is a violation of the neutrality of the MU.

We shall not invade, we recognize the legitimacy of the treaty, some of it’s stipulations are however impossible to agree to. We shall argue the point legally, and if you will not see it this way, we shall argue it with sea mines. Any movement of military vessels, aircraft, or any personnel without given consent is a violation of an extraterritorial primacy and would constitute an act of piracy if not of war. Any military assets shall be seized, according to the laws of the MU, which effect the seas, and skies. You cannot reach the Med without crossing jointly held sea or airways. We do not threaten your outpost, but it cannot be militarized as previously stated. Three Waldenburger fleet groups and we are told two of Aschenhyrst along with their submarine fleet are being put to sea to apprehend any and all pirates. If you break our laws, you pay the penalty, this is true across the world. If it is to be a privatized base, then terms are open to consideration.

And if we are to be even more legal, within the official list of terms for the surrender, Batther was ordered to abdicate. This is the incorrect term for a elected official, although normally this would be construed to mean the giving up of one’s office. However Batther is in fact also a monarch the Count of Throppe if I am not mistaken, and according to the treaty, is capable of disbanding the government of Throppe and promising democratic elections, by technicality.

It is simply a point that we wish to make, it seems the Pictish have no sense of law, justice or right, we believe The Imperial Republic will represent itself more honorably, and take the meaning and not the letter of the treaty as law.

Finally we wish to announce that through ancient ties, through the former empire of Paloni, in which Batther’s fief was purchased, makes him a Waldenburger citizen and we wish to offer him 500 Billion Riechmarks as a salary, along with the duchy of Sador if he would oblige us to become Field Marshall of the First Imperial Naval Infantry, who shall be put to sea to half all piracy and associated acts. It is lucky for us perhaps that we are much geographically closer to the area of interest, to avoid such terrible incursions by lawless brigands, it seems perhaps we may be just in time to halt such vicious sashays.


Signed:
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Open Declaration

To: Sir Rupert Fry

You and your country's stubbornness over the point of a Pictish Base in your region does, quite frankly, annoy me. You clearly seek to defy the previous agreement which has already been settled.

However, since a rehashing appears to be in order, I shall again repeat myself.

ANY attempt by ANY nation in Mediterranica to impede the legal actions that can and will be undertaken by New Pictavia to establish a sovereign and legal presence will be interpreted as an act of war.

Heed this carefully, for it will save you.

If not, I, and my Anagonian friends, will see to your destruction at the hands of a large quantity of atomic devices.

Do not attempt to thwart a legal action. I, for one, have no care for your laws. It seems they would apply to a nation's sovereign territory, which, of course, New Pictavia now has.

~Dr. Jules Hodz,
Lord Protector

To: Dr. Jules Hodz, Lord Protector

From: Sir Elihu De Armitage, Aschenhyrst Dominion Foreign Affairs Minister

Subject:Grestonian Crisis

Dear Sir,

Although military action seems imminent, it is not the only option. How is it considered impeding upon the said occupation of this land when any military forces that would have to be placed there must cross territory sovereign to the various allied nations of the Mediterranican Union? You wouldn`t accept foreign forces crossing your territory without authorization and we shall not either. If this base is being used to oversee the de-militarization of Greston, why does the base need to be militarized?

Until something is brought forth in an effort of 'Good Faith' to eliminate the fears of this nation and those of it`s allies, we will continue to view this current course of actions as a threat to our national security. We have deployed two carrier strike groups led by HMRS DEFIANT and HRMS RESOLVE to the waters outside Grestonian Territory along with two submarine squadrons in an effort to secure the maritime borders of ourselves and those of our allies. Any vessel of a non-MU nation that crosses into MU allied territory will be subject to search and possible seizure. Any vessel that shows hostile intent towards His Majesty`s Warships shall be view as a threat and dealt with accordingly.

We are quite aware that the actions of the Grestonians put them in the situation they are now in but Nova Pictavia`s solution is putting the entire region in crisis. We do not to seek to plunge head-long into war but we shall not stand idlely by as actions that threaten the peace and security of the Mediterranican region go on unchecked.

Respectfully,
Sir Elihu De Armitage- Aschenhyrst Dominion Minster of Foreign Affairs

[OOC: Unfortunately I do not have much time so excuse this for the moment, it addresses aspects of both Aschenhyrst's and Waldenburg's posts. I would like to thank Aschenhyrst for being reasonable until, that is, forces were deployed before I had time to even declare that our forces would stay in regular contact with the MU. "Abdicate" can be applied to an elected official, as it extends from relinquishing a throne to an official office, position of power, responsibility et cetera. Also, whilst you certainly "own" your own territories, inhabiting a region does not make the entire area "yours" as this is now sovereign Pictish territory. I'm sure there are many military presences in the region that exist with far less purpose than ours, and as I have said already I would have originally considered cooperating. When asked whether we would accept this in our region, it really proves how little you know of Haven, as a few square miles of a military base to monitor a post-war state would be viewed as completely ordinary. Regarding "the Pictish have no sense of law, justice or right" we have simply treated Greston as the nation has simply treated numerous others. One may say this is righteous justice.

However, I do not pretend for one moment that this is important, and will move onto the next topic: After reviewing the Mediterranican map, I see the most obvious route (although there are plenty more) as being through the Nuevan sea. This particular example comes between Divine Outcasts and Montbleu, who have, at the thinnest point, around 1500-2000 kilometres between them both (it is also notable at this point, that neither of these nations are Waldenburg or Aschenhyrst). Now, most nations claim their territorial waters to extend between 1-20 nautical miles from their shores, although in some, more unusual cases they may extend up to 200 nautical miles (370.4km) which would leave between 759.2 - 1259.2 (relative to 1500-2000)km of free waters in the most extreme of RL claims. In the highly unlikely event that all of these waters have been previously claimed, a region such as Mediterranica with so many 'choke-points' would undoubtedly include exclusive economic zones and free shipping lanes out with maritime claims. However, your willingness to go to war to prevent us fulfilling a pre-agreed peace treaty that outlaws another state warmongering is, frightful, and once again had I had time to respond earlier, I would have been more inclined to cooperate. Please do not hesitate to TG me if you have any questions, and again sorry for the OOC post.]

OOC to Nova Pictavia:
Apologies for the speed in which my actions may take place, as my RL schedule doesn`t always allow for what might be considered 'reasonable' response times. I am still hopeful for a peaceful settlement to the crisis but my forces are being deployed as a precautionary measure. It is true I may not entirely understand Haven but is also true I`m not overjoyed their presence in my backyard. Who doesn`t wish they could pick their neighbors?

I can understand your desire to take the suppress Grestonian war machine but when your desire for a foothold in this region became evident, you would expect the rest of the inhabitants to welcome it with open arms? I expect Greston to lay in the bed he made for himself but I`m not willing to jump in that bed with him or you. As for the presence of foreign bases within the Mediterranican region, to the best of my knowledge currently there are none. There hasn`t been a foreign colonial presence for quite some time. The general concenus has been "all in or not at all ". Could the disarmament process go on under joint Pictish/MU adminstration without the base? Are there other alternatives than full blown war, which will prove costly to all parties involved? Perhaps we can still work out a solution that is favorible for all parties involved.

[OOC: We've all seen NATO and Gothic bases in British Londinium that had the same purpose as this one, and since both Gholgoth, Greston and BL are considerably more internationally aggressive than New Pictavia, you would think a Pictish base would pose less of a threat especially when it could hardly support, nor fit an army large enough to tackle even one MU state in such a base. Nevertheless, since we can access it without violating either of your waters and that it has already been agreed upon by Greston then it will continue to be supplied with troops etc. Right now, all the MU has attempted to do is void a peace treaty through their deployment of forces before we could respond diplomatically, thus renewing a war and consequently ending any obligations by Greston to refrain from it's infamous international aggression. Therefor the MU has hardly displayed any form of intent to ensure Greston will not return to it's former ways, as the base also exists as a deterrent. Since it is now legal and sovereign Pictish territory that is accessible without infringing on MU waters, it will carry on in existence. If it is attacked it will be viewed as an invasion of sovereign Pictish territory.

I actually have no intentions whatsoever of any assault on Mediterranica or indeed Greston as long as the conditions of the treaty are obeyed, however the previously mentioned hindering of a peace treaty that effectively ends many more potential wars initiated by Greston does make the MU seem extremely hostile and threatening not just to New Pictavia but to the greater world. If said aggressive actions and policies on the part of the MU were to stop I would happily carry on as before.]

OOC: All of the Med is MU Territory be it that the nation is part of said alliance or not. Also I made a second MU, the members being Waldenburg, Asch, and Yallak, thus the reason those two replied, they were abliged to do so. So it would be against International Laws for you to do so under that pact. I am not trying to break our agreement but their cases do make sense.

Here is all of the necesary proof: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13542604

OOC Well as were all going to OOC.Any way, we will not allow a military base within the region, without proper concessions, after that the rest is rhetoric and hyperbole, and above all IC, (Waldenburg'll bullshit it's way through anything, theocracy and all). As per deployment again it is our right, and though I apologize for the time lapse, it cannot be helped. I don't see how it changes anything though. We are still willing to negociate, but ultimately we will not allow a militerizied base. As for BL and his shinanagins, that was all before my time so I could not comment, but I can comment we elected our first Premier Secretary only about a month ago *Brushes shiny lapels* before that the rules, existed but simply could not be enforced. We have to start somewhere in that respect.


(And as a note Abdicate came from the Latin root dicatus {With prefix Ab meaning to surrender}which means to rule with anointment\blessing\religious ties. By that a kingdom, and by rank of precedent, a monarch takes precedent over a president by a long shot. When i said it was a technicality, I really meant it.)

OOC Well as were all going to OOC.Any way, we will not allow a military base within the region, without proper concessions, after that the rest is rhetoric and hyperbole, and above all IC, (Waldenburg'll bullshit it's way through anything, theocracy and all). As per deployment again it is our right, and though I apologize for the time lapse, it cannot be helped. I don't see how it changes anything though. We are still willing to negociate, but ultimately we will not allow a militerizied base. As for BL and his shinanagins, that was all before my time so I could not comment, but I can comment we elected our first Premier Secretary only about a month ago *Brushes shiny lapels* before that the rules, existed but simply could not be enforced. We have to start somewhere in that respect.


(And as a note Abdicate came from the Latin root dicatus {With prefix Ab meaning to surrender}which means to rule with anointment\blessing\religious ties. By that a kingdom, and by rank of precedent, a monarch takes precedent over a president by a long shot. When i said it was a technicality, I really meant it.)

OOC: BL was always playing on the world stage, his lands were quite spread out and some of his activities were also before my time. During my tenure in the Med, I was unaware of any foreign presence in BL (who could keep up with all his adventures?). Regardless, all outside colonial powers have been removed from the region quite some time ago. Mainly due to a lack of involvement in regional happenings. During the era of colonial powers, there was a bloodbath every other week. Since that time we have managed to live in relative peace and harmony amongst ourselves. There have been a couple of instances where former powers tried to reassert themselves and were repelled by a united mediterranica.

Yes, some of our residents have been guilty of war-mongering on the world stage but the majority of us are quite content in our little corner of the NS world. That same majority also unites when an outsider comes and threatens our region.

Some of what Greston has told you is true, some of it is being taken out of context. His membership in any of the three versions we`ve had of the 'Official" Mediterranican Union is moot, he declined to join. The second pact 'Allied Independant Mediterranican Nations (ADMN) or what is being portrayed as the second MU is a separtate agreement between several MU member states and Greston. It is not and should not be taken as an official endorsement of the MU as a whole.

Bottom line, he got himself into a jam and agreed to some concessions he shouldn`t have. Concessions that were not in the best interest of either himself or the region as a whole. Somethings are beyond my control. However, I am in agreement with Waldenburg2 on the issue of a militarized foreign base within our region. Greston`s decission on that particular issue was made in haste and without the consultation of his allies and neighbors. Thats why we`re to this point. Everyone pissing about this and that. Someone saying we`ve got no right, we`re insisting we`ve got every right. One thing is for sure, this situation is becoming a cluster-fuck and I`ve got the right to be pissed that we even have to be here arguing about this bullshit.

OOC: BL was occupied several times by members of assorted alliances. No one in MU really turned to protest any of that, which I find rather interesting.

I also find it very odd that Med has decided to resurface just when it's convenient for Greston.

Also, I don't plan on giving up any time soon, regardless of your "rights". In my opinion, the issue's already been decided ICly. Arguing about "rules" OOCly is frustratingly moronic.

OOC: Snip

OOC I agree, it seems rather pointless especially on a supposedly IC thread. We each have an argument and correct or not let's get back to IC. Of course not Akimond I look forward to it, Icily though I would say far from over.

OOC: BL was occupied several times by members of assorted alliances. No one in MU really turned to protest any of that, which I find rather interesting.

I also find it very odd that Med has decided to resurface just when it's convenient for Greston.

The Med is always present, we are not resurfacing. Greston has an arrangement with us so of course we will enter into an affair like this.

As for BL, at least for my part, we did move to intervene there but the RP died or the invaders withdrew before or just after I posted my intervention. The other times, I was busy and not regularly checking the forums or didn't have time to RP.

[OOC: I do believe the RP never died, BL just got glassed. Greston: "All of the Med is MU Territory be it that the nation is part of said alliance or not" What? How exactly does that work? And every source I've looked at lists "abdicate" as the definition of power/responsibility also, however this is getting quite petty. As Aki said the territory was granted several days ago now, is already sovereign Pictish territory with troops on it, and so if you want to invade and start what would be a colossal war over something so minor as a few square miles then so be it. Oh and considering Greston wanted a one-on-one fight...]

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Official Diplomatic Communiqué
The Imperial Republic of New Pictavia
ENCRYPTION: Open Declaration: Free Broadcast
TO: The Mediterranican Union
SUBJECT: RE: Withdrawal of Base
DATE: 16 APRIL MMVIII

MESSAGE: The Pictish sovereign territory in Mediterranica exists in order to monitor Greston's future activities. We originally agreed that Greston's armed forces be reduced to 10% of their original capacity, however Miroxia attacked and we approved that Greston could retain 85% of their armed forces to repell any invasion. In concession, five-hundred billion Universal Standard Dollars was paid towards reparations and humanitarian aid in other nations involved in similar conflicts, with the remaining funds used to maintain a Pictish sovereign base in Greston. Such a base is now our primary means to ensure that Greston does not return to it's bully attitude, as should they do so we are in striking distance of the Grestonian mainland. Should our base be removed we will have no guarantees that Greston will abide by the treaty, nor do we have any significant level of Grestonian disarmament to handicap their ability to do so. If the base is forcibly removed by the MU, hostilities with Greston will also continue as per their previous conditions of surrender.

We will not abandon this base and in turn, this settlement which assures a safer world from Grestonian aggression, unless the MU has something better to offer. Please note that considering the MU's previous attitude and willingness to harbour outrageous regimes, it will not be trusted to fulfil our role over Greston. It may also be of worth for me to point out that Greston is now under suspected attack by the Griffincrest Corporation, who will undoubtedly establish a far greater military presence than we have. Not to mention further regional-troubles such as the recent destabilization of Faurea. One would presume these would be priorities over destroying a peace-treaty and instigating a region-wide conflict over a few square miles and a few thousand peacekeepers.

Regards,
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Eógan Sol, IP (Imperial Parliamentarian)
Councillor of Extra-Imperial Communications.

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Open Declaration

To: Sir Rupert Fry

You and your country's stubbornness over the point of a Pictish Base in your region does, quite frankly, annoy me. You clearly seek to defy the previous agreement which has already been settled.

However, since a rehashing appears to be in order, I shall again repeat myself.

ANY attempt by ANY nation in Mediterranica to impede the legal actions that can and will be undertaken by New Pictavia to establish a sovereign and legal presence will be interpreted as an act of war.

Heed this carefully, for it will save you.

If not, I, and my Anagonian friends, will see to your destruction at the hands of a large quantity of atomic devices.

Do not attempt to thwart a legal action. I, for one, have no care for your laws. It seems they would apply to a nation's sovereign territory, which, of course, New Pictavia now has.

~Dr. Jules Hodz,
Lord Protector

To: Dr. Jules Hodz, Lord Protector
From : Sir Elihu De Armitage, Aschenhyrst Dominion Minister of Foreign Affairs

Subject:Pictish Claims in Greston

Dear Sir,
As I interpret your communications on this subject, your actions and your declaration of willingness to use nuclear weapons to resolve this dispute; I get the impression that this is less about Pictish claims and more about your personal territorial designs on the Mediterranican region. Why else would you be willing to go to the extreme measures you have suggested so far from your homeland?

Until such time that an 'Official' peace treaty signed and endorsed the Grestonian and Pictish Governments is produced, we can only interpret the actions taking place as those of an invasion to the region. An invasion that is the prelude to a hostile take-over of the entire region. The response we have taken in this scenario is appropriate, justified and shall continue. Our Warships will maintain a position just outside the territorial limits of the disputed lands. You might say we are monitoring the monitors. They will remain there as we continue to seek a peaceful resolution to this crisis.

Do understand that we take the threat of a nuclear attack upon ourselves, our allies, our neighbors and our region most seriously. If such an attack is launched, we have the means return the favor and we shall. You stated you would send us all to hell if we interveined, yours will be first hand I shake when I get there.

I kindly ask you to cease the war-mongering and posturing. Join us in seeking a resolution to this crisis that doesn`t involve the 'Mutually-Assured Destruction' of both our nations. Help us get these two parties to the peace table and produce an 'Official' end to all of this. If, as you`ve eluded to, the Pictish claims are just; what do you have to lose by pushing for a solution that is fair, equitible and open for the world to see?

When such a document is produced, the Aschenhyrst Dominon will gladly assist in the monitoring and application of such issues as the reduction of the Grestionian Armed Forces and securing peace for the world. Are you willing to do the same?

Respectfully,
Sir Elihu De Armitage-Aschenhyrst Dominion Minister of Foreign Affairs

OOC: MY reason for saying that is because the MU owns/controlls the region. Everyone in the region is signed to at least one pact tieing another group of nations to them. But the MU has the most control.

OOC: MY reason for saying that is because the MU owns/controlls the region. Everyone in the region is signed to at least one pact tieing another group of nations to them. But the MU has the most control.

OOC: The MU is the largest alliance in the region, there are others and most of us are linked by one or more alliances. The MU is the only one (that I`m Aware of) with a political wing

OOC:

I like nukes.

OOC:

I like nukes.

Yours will be the second hand I shake.

OOC: Since that communiqué was directed at Akimonad, I can only point out it's flaws OOCly:


As I interpret your communications on this subject, your actions and your declaration of willingness to use nuclear weapons to resolve this dispute; I get the impression that this is less about Pictish claims and more about your personal territorial designs on the Mediterranican region. Why else would you be willing to go to the extreme measures you have suggested so far from your homeland?

Akimonad and I are bound by a mutual protection pact, hence if our sovereign territory is attacked I presume he would want such threat eliminated as quickly and efficiently as possible so he could return to normalcy.

Until such time that an 'Official' peace treaty signed and endorsed the Grestonian and Pictish Governments is produced, we can only interpret the actions taking place as those of an invasion to the region. An invasion that is the prelude to a hostile take-over of the entire region. The response we have taken in this scenario is appropriate, justified and shall continue. Our Warships will maintain a position just outside the territorial limits of the disputed lands. You might say we are monitoring the monitors. They will remain there as we continue to seek a peaceful resolution to this crisis.

The treaty was officially agreed upon a couple of days ago now, via TG, which was then confirmed by one of my posts here and the "Grestonian apology". [EDIT: I linked the appropriate posts into the first post of this thread some time ago]

I kindly ask you to cease the war-mongering and posturing. Join us in seeking a resolution to this crisis that doesn`t involve the 'Mutually-Assured Destruction' of both our nations. Help us get these two parties to the peace table and produce an 'Official' end to all of this. If, as you`ve eluded to, the Pictish claims are just; what do you have to lose by pushing for a solution that is fair, equitible and open for the world to see?

We did not respond threateningly to the MU until we believed the MU had shown intent to remove the Pictish base through use of force. Ergo, if you cease the war-mongering and posturing, we'll cease the war-mongering and posturing. Might I also make clear that we have only responded defensively, stating actions would be taken if the new Pictish territory is compromised.

When such a document is produced, the Aschenhyrst Dominon will gladly assist in the monitoring and application of such issues as the reduction of the Grestionian Armed Forces and securing peace for the world. Are you willing to do the same?

Again, it was produced some time ago. And yes, we are willing to do the same, since that is the purpose of the Pictish base.

Hope that clears some things up, because at the moment we're going round in circles o.O
However, if the MU is interested, I wouldn't mind the signing of a Non-Aggression pact between those MU states involved and our Coalition, therefore officially declaring our intent not to use the Pictish base as a staging point to invade the rest of the region and fullfill your paranoid fantasies :D

OOC Wait has Greston even made a IC post confirming that he intends to surrender, or reduce his military, or hand over a base, or was it all done through TG? I probably don't need to point out the flaw in this, if Greston never posted in II about it, and the public apology doesn't seem to cover any actual surrender.

I had a long post typed up this morning but the computer crashed, so you'll hopefully excuse the lack of pompous seals ect.

IC

The Waldenburger government, and hopefully the MU would find it acceptable if a Pictish force was based within a military base within an MU member nation, and was then given free range within region. In this fashion no permanent property would be established and the ultimate fear of a future attack would be made null. In exchange Waldenburg would happily give up one of it's colonies of equal size to equate for the loss of territory. Does this proposal meet with any acceptance?

Signed:
The Rt. Hon. Sir Rupert Fry (OIH) Waldenburger Foreign Affairs Minister

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Communiqué Diplomatique Officielle

His Serene Highness' Government would like to place forward to all governments involved in this Grestonian Affair a possible solution to all of this conflict. Could not the New Pictish Base be placed in one of the other territories of the Grestonian Empire? This would allow the Pictish to keep an eye on the Imperial Republic as well as have base of sovereign Grestonian soil, while allaying the fears and suspicions of the members of the Mediterranican Union.

Amicalement,
J. P. Savoie
Grand-Duc Jean-Pierre Savoie
Foreign Minister of the Sovereign State

OOC: Since that communiqué was directed at Akimonad, I can only point out it's flaws OOCly:



Akimonad and I are bound by a mutual protection pact, hence if our sovereign territory is attacked I presume he would want such threat eliminated as quickly and efficiently as possible so he could return to normalcy.



The treaty was officially agreed upon a couple of days ago now, via TG, which was then confirmed by one of my posts here and the "Grestonian apology". [EDIT: I linked the appropriate posts into the first post of this thread some time ago]



We did not respond threateningly to the MU until we believed the MU had shown intent to remove the Pictish base through use of force. Ergo, if you cease the war-mongering and posturing, we'll cease the war-mongering and posturing. Might I also make clear that we have only responded defensively, stating actions would be taken if the new Pictish territory is compromised.



Again, it was produced some time ago. And yes, we are willing to do the same, since that is the purpose of the Pictish base.

Hope that clears some things up, because at the moment we're going round in circles o.O
However, if the MU is interested, I wouldn't mind the signing of a Non-Aggression pact between those MU states involved and our Coalition, therefore officially declaring our intent not to use the Pictish base as a staging point to invade the rest of the region and fullfill your paranoid fantasies :D


I will respond to this OOCly and this will be my final break from IC: As long as what transpired between you and Greston was to by TG, there is no definition for the rest of us to begin to comprehend the terms involved. A public treaty of some sort would work wonders in lowering the tensions created by this whole affair. I am supportive of the solutions being offered by the leaders of my alliance (The MU) and if you would accept one of these proposals, I have declared that I would volunteer to help you oversee the demilitarization of Grestonian Forces. Please consider the official IC offers being brought forth by West Ponente and Waldenburg2. As for my IC response to Akimonad, I stand behind it. I will not be threatened with destruction without taking measures to return the favor.

[OOC: Yes, it was hammered out through TG several days ago, then I posted a declaration of the peace stating that Greston had accepted it (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13610015&postcount=37) (as I have said before) and Greston subsequently issued the apology. Again, the terms involved can be quite easily comprehended because I posted them and linked it to the first post. Also as my last IC post states, the base exists for a greater purpose than to monitor the very minor disarmament. Also, apologies for the delayed response, please blame Jolt.]

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Official Diplomatic Communiqué
The Imperial Republic of New Pictavia
ENCRYPTION: Open Declaration: Free Broadcast
TO: All Concerned MU States
SUBJECT: RE: Pictish presence
DATE: 17 APRIL MMVIII

MESSAGE: I would like to express my gratitude that the MU has decided to turn to diplomacy to settle this issue, albeit after an attempted assertion of force. While establishing a Pictish base within a MU base within a MU nation does sound... interesting, I'm afraid I must decline both offers for the same reasons: Our current location, beside the Grestonian homeland, is of most strategic importance as it undoubtedly offers the best vantage point to monitor Grestonian activities. Also, as the base is on several square kilometres of sovereign Pictish soil, we feel we may monitor the state without any form of 'intervention' or 'guidance', especially so after the brashly pro-Grestonian stance exhibited by Waldenburg.

To be frank, we find the somewhat paranoid fear that an almighty Pictish Legion numbering a few thousand personnel (whom only a fraction of are combat units) based roughly twelve-thousand kilometres from Waldenburg may pose a threat and possibly overrun the tens of billions strong region, quite baffling. Especially considering the unpredictability of some Mediterranican regimes with forces up to several thousand times greater than this, we find it difficult to understand your claim that this base poses such an immense threat and even more difficult to comprehend why the MU would welcome such a potentially vast and devastating war (regarding the previous 'threats' of naval interception) over such an insignificant presence. If we were to open unprovoked hostilities (of which I assure you, we shall not) with the MU and attempt to conventionally invade one or more member states, it would most likely be far easier to not use the base at all due to it being approximately a weeks further travel from our hypothetical targets.

Pictish personnel were transferred over to our new territory some time ago via frequent runs made by TRU-94s (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12990809&postcount=113), and we expect our ships to be arriving to begin construction within the week. Now, although we welcome the attempts by Waldenburg and West Ponente to provide us with alternatives, I wish to close this issue on a positive note:
Should any MU states remain concerned, then we take this opportunity invite all to open an embassy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13190218) in New Pictaiva after which a Non-Aggression pact may be signed. We would also like to declare our intent to utilize our new holdings as a basis for an establishment of Southern Havenic - Mediterranican trade routes that all may benefit from.

Regards,
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Eógan Sol, IP (Imperial Parliamentarian),
Councillor of Extra-Imperial Communications.

OOC I think you miss my point NP, I can't find it anywhere, on the forums where Greston agrees. Yes he issues an apology, and yes you post the terms, but in the apology he makes reference to his resignation (The correct term!!11!!!) and paying 500 Billion he never states he accepts the treaty, that I can find. Hammer it out via TG means nothing to me, I was not there for any of it,Waldenburg knows none of it, and though it obviously was agreed OOCily, I have no reference ICily, therefore making you occupation very naughty no no by anyones terms. If anyone could find where Greston specifically accept all terms, and not just paying 500 billion to get out of ceding territory the treaty on II then I will delete the following but as it is you are occupying land of Greston, violating MU airspace, MU direct commands to stay out, and forcing treaties with duress and threats with the intent of using nuclear weapons against MU members (Aki anyway.) Or if Greston posts an official surrender and disarmament, then it will be descalated anyway.


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Seal of the Most Divine And Illustrious Empire of Waldenburgers

Noblis Bibere Caedes


The Pictish have, in the course of the last few days and hours come to try the patience of his Imperial Majesty very dearly, with their threats, accusations, and posturing against the Most August Empire, of which God has given His Majesty to rule. It is of the Kingdom of God of which this letter is about, the most supreme Kingdom by which no ruler may claim or no earthly crown bind. There are some things, most things indeed, which come under the dominion of the Prince of Peace and if transgressed propogate a break down of order and lead to the ultimate collapse of civil administration. Offering the destruction of God's most devoted servants on earth is amongst the top ten, and let us be the first to say we are not amused with the actions taken by the Pictish recently.

While at first we viewed their treaty with some legitimacy, it bound the nation of Greston to a more appropriate path, it has gone to far. The nations and sovereignty of the Mediterranica and her Union. Pictish constant disregard for the wishes of powers greater than itself, have become tiresome to the point of infuriation to both the Cenobriach and the Emperor himself, leading them both to issue a joint declaration of Aeternus Congredior, which though may be translated into war of words has a special meaning within Waldenburg, a different meaning. At this point it is unnecessary to elaborate further, but at this point we feel it necessary to inform you that all Pictish citizens within the Waldenburg Empire, her hegemonies and diocese across the world have been seized, and await tribunal for spying, and crimes against humanity by association.

If Pictavia will not abide by our laws, we have reached a fundamental break down of relations, and at this time of the delivery of this message inform the Silver Imperium of Imperial discontent, and will falicitate no additional communication unless it is of the surrender of the Pictish and her Empires.

This is not a declaration of war, we do not see the Pictish as a nation, but as the devil willing to sell themselves to their pagan worship, we do not declare war on children, we discipline them. Any forces, or peoples will be allowed safe exit provided the same provision is made for Waldenburger investments and subjects, after that Waldenburg shall not tolerate another incursion, another baseless invasion. You sir declared war when military devices were flown into Grestonian lands, and after a long string of such crimes the Empire has had enough. Though the path of God is a mysterious one, there is always one constant, the Empire will always strike back.

Signed:
His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Wyatt von Waldenburg IV
His Imminence Harold the Cardinal Thousis Cenobiarch of the Holy Church
His Excellency and Grace Archduke Leopold von Waldenburg II Vice Secretary of the MU.

Et in Terra Pax ad Hominibus (http://www.coralesangaudenzio.it/Audio/gloria/mG2%20Et%20in%20terra%20pax.mp3)

OOC As a rule I don not Rp with Strat missiles or similar, and would hate to pull the old MMS out if that is somehow unacceptable to everyone.

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Communiqué Diplomatique Officielle

His Serene Highness' Government, under the endorsement of the Secretary-General, would like to propose at this time a compromise, if the New Pictish Government wishes to keep an eye upon Greston then surely it would not be unreasonable for the Mediterranican Union to construct a base on New Pictish soil as a token of their good intentions. We also like to disagree that this is just a "paranoid" fear of the MU, but rather we are concerned about the ramifications that this base, and it's seemingly instant genesis, could have for the well being of the region and also it's role in future events. Our "fears" as you call them are far more equatable to the annoyance of waking up to find a flea biting into the skin and concern that it's misproper treatment could lead to more serious afflictions.

Amicalement,
Grand-Duc Jean-Pierre Savoie
Grand-Duc Jean-Pierre Savoie
Foreign Minister of the Sovereign State

Secretary-General Maran Gherud
Secretary-General Maran Gherud
Mediterranican Union

OOC: This is awesome.. its turning out IC just like the cold war.. We don't want you to have your base (missiles) that close to us and you dont want us to have our base 9missiles) that close to you!

[OOC: As I have said, about ten times already, we are not occupying Greston, and we have not violated MU airspace or seas. I have TG'd Greston asking him to repeat this again for you, otherwise this is getting quite ridiculous. If we really had just invaded Greston, you'd think he'd have something to say, wouldn't he? Or, instead of issuing an insanely vague declaration, the Waldenburger government could just contact Greston and ask them?]

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Official Diplomatic Communiqué
The Imperial Republic of New Pictavia
ENCRYPTION: Open Declaration: Free Broadcast
TO: All Concerned MU States
SUBJECT: RE: Pictish presence
DATE: 18 APRIL MMVIII

MESSAGE: No, we will not be accepting an MU base on our soil since there is no Pictish base on MU soil. We will obey Waldenburg laws when we are on Waldenburg territory, simple as that. One cannot nor should not expect more. As far as I am aware, mostly due to the fact that there is no formal diplomatic establishment or trade between Pictavia and Waldenburg, there are no Imperial citizens residing within your borders. Frankly, I do not know who your state has apprehended. The rest of your statement remains a mystery to us.

Regards,
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Eógan Sol, IP (Imperial Parliamentarian),
Councillor of Extra-Imperial Communications.

OOC Chill NP, it's IC it doesn't have to be true, I also said we are the chosen of God and I am in great doubt of that. I did receive a telegram from Greston, it said essentially carry on. See how unfulfilling that is? If this helps though....

IC

To: The Imperial Republic of Greston
From: His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Wyatt von Waldenbrug IV

Over the past few days we have seen a course of action as taken by the Pictish which shows a great disregard for the laws, traditions and freedoms inherent of a nation. Though perhaps Batther indeed should have stepped down and retired with dignity, and reparations possibly should have been made, we assume we act in defense of Greston in opposition of the landing of Pictish forces of Grestonian soil before the treaty has been ratified? Their movements show a total disregard for both of our nations and the laws of the Med. as a whole. Therefore Waldenburg wishes to request permission to strike at the Pictish forces already in place within the ignobly taken 'ceded land' and remove their stain from the region. If they are so impatient as to wait for the diplomatic process then perhaps they will respond to a more direct approach.

Signed:
His Most Gracious Imperial Majesty Wyatt von Waldenburg IV

ooc: Until said time that at official agreement between NP and Greston appears in II (ie: Quit doing all this bullshit via TG and put it out in the open for the world to see), this back and forth nonsense will continue. The biggest burr in my saddle is that this entire deal seems shady as I cannot see the actual Tg`s between you two and what I recieve here from you two is entirely second-hand. Until a formal, open for all to see agreement is reached, I will continue my current course of actions.





IC:



TO: The Imperial Republic of Greston

From:The Sovereign Imperial Dominion of Aschenhyrst

Subject: Use of Grestonian Airspace

The Aschenhyrst Dominion Government formally requests information on the exact location of the Pictish Base within sovereign Grestonian territory. We also request permission for our military aircraft to use Grestonian airspace near this area. Our mission at this time is to insure that activities going on at this base are as implied, namely overseeing the dismantleing of your war machine and not for a more sinister purpose. Our Military satellites cannot be stationed over your nation at all locations at all times, whereas our aircraft can provide more real-time information as to what is taking place in this region. Let all parties involved know that our aircraft are not there in a hostile manner but will be authorized to defend themselves from any threat they may encounter. We seek this request while our regional allied government officials still work diligently to come up with a peaceful solution to this crisis.

For the Aschenhyrst Dominion Government,
Sir Elihu De Armitage-Foreign Affairs Minister
Field Marshal James Aschenhyrst de Aschenhyrst-Supreme Commander, Aschenhyrst Dominion Royal Armed Forces
Sky Marshal Joel DeCamp- Aschenhyrst Royal Air Force

Attention all Participating Parties
For the value of screwing everyones safety

Attention World Leaders,

By a meeting of the Chief Governors War Cabinet, it has been decided to exercise the Military Right of Anagonia and seen fit to liberate Greston of any outside presence. The United Republic does not recognize the rights of this so-called MU Alliance, nor any rights therein inherited by Greston. To the War Cabinet, Greston is another parcel of land waiting to be raped of all resources and currency, and we feel the need to waste every bit of it for no obvious reasons. Even if the might of the world falls on us, we really could care less. This is our right, our liberty, and our declaration to do as we see fit.

To this end, the Military Might of Anagonia has been put on stand-by until such a time when we feel Annexing Greston would mutually benefit the region. We no longer view Greston as Sovereign, and as Democratic. By the view's of all parties involved, it is something to have, to take. Therefore, according to all parties involved, someone has to make a move to claim it. Therefore, Anagonia claims it in the name of Independence and Liberty. Because, in the end, whether you try to stop us or not, we'll have it, and you won't.

We cannot allow the nations of this so-called "MU" to hold Greston, it is too valuable. They seem to desire it, and they seem to want it. We cannot allow it because they want it, and because they fight so hard for it. We care less for their diplomatic resolve, because their words are pointless and stupid. Action must be taken to silence this dispute, and since no one has the literal "balls" to do it, we'll take the first action when we see fit.

Make your threats, make your words, because in the end no amount of pathetic bickering will stop the Annexation of Greston. I assure you, that by the time we decide to, the Nations of the World will rally behind us. After all, when you offer a economic capitalist gain and land to certian groups, they tend to follow your lead no matter the cost. And, my friends, Greston is as worthless as she say's she is. But, either way, in our eyes, she's the golden jewel to screwing over your world.

Make your time, for we have set you up the bomb,
Johnny Standford
Chief Governor of the United Republic of Anagonia

OOC:

Just in case everyone hasn't realized, Johnny didn't break relations with Nova Pictavia. Instead, he used it to get elected. Now, Anagonia is a Imperialistic Bastard! Congradulations to all involved.

But seriously, would we annex greston? Please......sounds nice though.

Attention all Participating Parties
For the value of screwing everyones safety

Attention World Leaders,

By a meeting of the Chief Governors War Cabinet, it has been decided to exercise the Military Right of Anagonia and seen fit to liberate Greston of any outside presence. The United Republic does not recognize the rights of this so-called MU Alliance, nor any rights therein inherited by Greston. To the War Cabinet, Greston is another parcel of land waiting to be raped of all resources and currency, and we feel the need to waste every bit of it for no obvious reasons. Even if the might of the world falls on us, we really could care less. This is our right, our liberty, and our declaration to do as we see fit.

To this end, the Military Might of Anagonia has been put on stand-by until such a time when we feel Annexing Greston would mutually benefit the region. We no longer view Greston as Sovereign, and as Democratic. By the view's of all parties involved, it is something to have, to take. Therefore, according to all parties involved, someone has to make a move to claim it. Therefore, Anagonia claims it in the name of Independence and Liberty. Because, in the end, whether you try to stop us or not, we'll have it, and you won't.

We cannot allow the nations of this so-called "MU" to hold Greston, it is too valuable. They seem to desire it, and they seem to want it. We cannot allow it because they want it, and because they fight so hard for it. We care less for their diplomatic resolve, because their words are pointless and stupid. Action must be taken to silence this dispute, and since no one has the literal "balls" to do it, we'll take the first action when we see fit.

Make your threats, make your words, because in the end no amount of pathetic bickering will stop the Annexation of Greston. I assure you, that by the time we decide to, the Nations of the World will rally behind us. After all, when you offer a economic capitalist gain and land to certian groups, they tend to follow your lead no matter the cost. And, my friends, Greston is as worthless as she say's she is. But, either way, in our eyes, she's the golden jewel to screwing over your world.

Make your time, for we have set you up the bomb,
Johnny Standford
Chief Governor of the United Republic of Anagonia

OOC:

Just in case everyone hasn't realized, Johnny didn't break relations with Nova Pictavia. Instead, he used it to get elected. Now, Anagonia is a Imperialistic Bastard! Congradulations to all involved.

But seriously, would we annex greston? Please......sounds nice though.

OOC: Please I leave for a day or so and all this shit happens!

To Asch: You have always been able to use Grestonian Airspace, do you think it would change now?

To Waldo: Hell no.

To Anagonia: WTF? Your IC statement is the exact opposite of what your IC one is. Please really, explain.

To Waldo: Hell no.


OOC How many deals is that renegged on? Ah well, Pictavia it seems you are correct now, blast now those conversion orders will have to be cancelled, although the treaty has yet to be ratified.... Still we will not allow a Foreign base within the Med. so the conflict is still apt, on that score, so let's see what that makes now...

To Asch: You have always been able to use Grestonian Airspace, do you think it would change now?


ooc:
As per the issue I`m pressing, I made my request here in open forum for all to see. No back-door deals on my behalf. Any demands I make will be placed here, not to say there may be discussion elsewhere.

Dammit, I said I was done with the ooc crap.

OOC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13622415#post13622415), where I'd like to know what exactly the MU is playing at (OOC-wise as well) if possible. Thanks.

OOC: Please I leave for a day or so and all this shit happens!

To Asch: You have always been able to use Grestonian Airspace, do you think it would change now?

To Waldo: Hell no.

To Anagonia: WTF? Your IC statement is the exact opposite of what your IC one is. Please really, explain.

OOC:

Elections for Chief Governor (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=554220)

Johnny Standford won, and used the Nova Pictavia alliance as a political gig to get elected. He'd be stupid to go against the Peoples Will and stop the Pictish/Anagonian alliance. So, basically, you know.

Also, for IC reasons, I've placed a pressure hold on everyone. If the situation is not resolved, I will act ICly. If this situation is solved, I will stay out. Your dealing with an Imperialist Governor in IC now, so the decisions are kinda different.

In OOC, I have no problems, I'm just laughing at all the havoc.

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Agnus Ingenuus Dei

With the latest words out of Greston, under the legally formed government of Jerry Striker, who replaced Mr. Batther only a short time ago, it has come to the attention of the Waldenburger government, that indeed this ultimatum, signed so quickly in the confusion of a Grestonian general election, and cosigned with threats of nuclear immolation has become invalid. As President Striker and his government have vetoed the treaty, Pictish actions, taken before the actual ratification now validate MU territorial laws, and a considerable amount of treaties existing between the Waldenburger Empire, Greston and several other key members of the Mediterranica. Now Pictavia does violate our laws, and we hope now it shall, as the Consul previously stated, follow them and pay the consequences of Pictish arrogance and haste.

On behalf of the Waldenburger Empire, whose extranational territorial influence, as set down through the The Allied Independent Mediterranican Nations treaty, has now been violated, and after consideration between the Imperial Cabinet ministries we are issuing fines in excess of 750 Billion Riechmarks to be levied against the Silver Imperium for violation of sovereign territory, and a further 100 Billion Riechmarks for the obstruction of Waldenburger law, and a further §20 Million for malicious lingering. Though we will not, in a spirit of friendship which dear Kadesh proposes, remove the Pictish through physical means we will be no means grant the necessary permission to make such military moves possible through Grestonian national, and Waldenburger extranational territory; we will continue to charge a standard fee for the violation of territory as stated above. For every ship that has passed through associated waters, and every plane traveling through Grestonian, and by treaty, Waldenburger airspace shall continue to violate Imperial law. Everyday our extranational sovereignty is so distastefully trodden upon a further 50 Billion Riechmarks shall be added to fines to be delivered to the Silver Imperium's Ministry of Finance, the amount of course be compounded annually at 6% with standard late fees and charges applied.

Though the MU has yet to issue a statement, I am assured that they to, will issue similar fines for the disregard of our laws. It should be noted that the he Infinite Empire of Yallak and the The Sovereign Imperial Dominion of Aschenhyrst are equally bound to Greston as by the aforementioned treaty, and now that it has become apparent that this is an unlawful and indeed military occupation, there are certain legal actions that must be taken.

It should be made clear that Waldenburg does not view Pictish claims as invalid, simply it's actions and haste, which has created this situation in which Waldenburg must defend the interests of Her Dominions and allies. If in anyway this debt is unsatisfied, Waldenburg will considered the payments defaulted and simply seize assets of the Silver Imperium until the balance in made up. It should be be made equally clear that will pursue the legal action before that of the military, however we shall shy away from nothing. As Vice Secretary of the MU I have assurances that we shall make an official statement either promising legal or military action against this now undoubtedly heinous action on behalf of the Pictish regime.

Signed:
His Grace Archduke Leopold von Waldenburg II Vice Secretary of the MU


OOC To the bottom
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13683585&posted=1#post13683585
I apologize about the semigravedig but we shouldn't just let these things blow over.

OOC: Hey Greston, do you remember in a previous thread I was going to launch an assassination attempt but the war kinda got canceled, do I have permission to try that again. ICly it works out because my government has a poor outlook on both you and NP, so if the assassination worked out, it would look like NP did it..

OOC: Hey Greston, do you remember in a previous thread I was going to launch an assassination attempt but the war kinda got canceled, do I have permission to try that again. ICly it works out because my government has a poor outlook on both you and NP, so if the assassination worked out, it would look like NP did it..

OOC: Sorry man, I'd love to do that but my old president, the one you hate so much, is no longer in office and the new guy doesn't have views like him. But if Jerry, the new pres, gets out of hand just shoot me a tg and we can set something up if you want.

OOC: Sorry man, I'd love to do that but my old president, the one you hate so much, is no longer in office and the new guy doesn't have views like him. But if Jerry, the new pres, gets out of hand just shoot me a tg and we can set something up if you want.

OOC: What if my attack targeted the old Pres? If not I'll send you a TG if Jerry gets out of hand lol.

Secretary-General issues Official MU Response

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Today in the MUIZ, Secretary-General Maran Gherud addressed numerous MU Diplomats and read the official MU response in reaction to the statements of Grestonian President Jerry Striker and Vice Secretary Archduke Leopold von Waldenburg II.


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Official Diplomatic Communiqué

To: Gaius Kadesh, Consul of New Pictavia
From: The Office of the MU Secretariat, MUIZ

Being disgusted by New Pictish forces continuing to violate the Imperial Republic of Greston sovereign territory and now the sovereign territorial laws of the Mediterranican Union and ergo Mediterranica itself, we demand justice! I, Secretary-General, see this and I ask the opinion of the Mediterranican Union and I not yet wound those with my voice, those who ought to be brought before the hand of justice. Are we at fault for wishing to uphold the very laws that bring us together, that give us our unity, our freedoms, our order, and our civilization? Are we at fault for not wanting criminals among us?

Therefore, Consul Kadesh, after consideration and deliberation we demand immediately to be wired to the Mediterranican Union International Zone 600 billion USD for the gross violation of sovereign territory of Mediterranica coupled with an additional 1billion USD for every single fence, building, road, vehicle, plane, computer, man, woman, child, and flea who or that occupy your illegal base to be paid everyday you remain in violation. This sum is to be paid along with another 200 billion for obstruction of justice by you and your nation who wish to subdue us, you who broke and continue to break our laws, you corrupt the honor of our region, you who invade our territory, and you who are opposed to order and justice. If our demands are not met with anything other than full compliance, I can assure you of our swift and unforgiving response.

Secretary-General Maran Gherud
Secretary-General of the Mediterranican Union

5/09/08 - 01:34:19 PM

© MMVIII

OOC:

Sorry guy's, you elected an Imperial bastage into office, so now you see the result. Mine you what follows is all IC, and has no opinion based on OOC. K? :P

IC:

Official Declaration from the Office of the Chief Governor
To maintain Pictish Stability

To the Participants of the Mediterranican Union crisis,

It has come to my attention that some parties cannot resolve this in a correct and diplomatic way. Actually, I don't care either way, for I have kept Anagonia elegantly out of your business for some time now to let your childish way's see fruit in a peaceful and productive manner. Yet, as far as I can tell, you continue to be stubborn and stupid, being inferior in all manners of context, being ignorant to the way's of global diplomacy. You seek harm no matter which course is given to you, desiring to maintain a stance that will ultimately seek the destruction of our greatest leader's in Nova Pictavia.

In retrospect, I have given little care to your rants, to your complaints, and to your attitude. I could care even less about your Sovereignty. It would be my greatest wish to obliterate your people from the face of the earth, just to see your cry in pain as you melt away in radioactive decay. Yet it has been Nova Pictavia, telling us to mind our own business, telling me constantly that you are people of a sound mind and sound disposition. Indeed, they have held back Armageddon in favor of Heaven on Earth. They have held us back, until now.

Now I see the true union of bastards that makes up this Mediterranican Union. You are incompetent, your ultimate goals to crush the will of the Pictish Imperium, your ultimate desire to see my people suffer at your hands. I see now that you wish to crush an innocent nation, my United Republic, my People, at the expense of crushing our most beloved brethren in Nova Pictavia. You are a desperate people indeed to be demanding anything, and in return I shall make sure you have hell to pay.

Therefore as Chief Governor of the United Republic of Anagonia, I enact Drekamythian Law upon your union of pathetic brethren. So help me by the Gods, if you so much as step one jackboot on Pictavian Claimed territory, we will retaliate with Nuclear, Biological, Chemical, and Standard measures of attack. Our sea-vessels will flood your waters with fire, our Aircraft will black out the sun as missiles and bombs kill your pathetic defenses, and our armed troops shall walk over your dead as they shout in victory.

You have tested our resolve for the last time, and therefore we shall put YOURS to the test. Are you brave enough to go up against a Nation who's only desire, at the expense of loosing even its own people, is to see your entire populations decimated? Are you prepared to enter a global war of such scale that entire nations will rally to consume you by fire? Are you prepared to become our lands, our territory, after we obliterate your cities and townships from the face of maps? Are you prepared for death?

There is an old saying I must convey: Do not prod a sleeping Dragon. To do so would wake him, and thus convey his anger at you.

Do not prod the sleeping Dragon, for the sake of your children whom we care nothing about.

Kind regards,
Johnny Standford
Chief Governor of the United Republic of Anagonia

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13685132#post13685132 NP thread is up, take whatever time scale fits you as, I again have posted at an abitrary point. Greston also has some items in his news thread although again there are some problems so expect no links from me.

THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED/OVER, PLEASE DIRECT ALL POSTS TO WALDENBURG'S THREAD (LINKED ABOVE) AND ALL OOC TO THE 'MEDITERRANICAN CRISIS' OOC THREAD. THANK YOU!