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Africa, the cradle of mankind, the breadbasket of the world, and the forgotten continent. From the golden, scorched sands of the Sahara desert, to the steamed jungles of the Congo, and the wild Zambesi river in Rhodesia, and down further south to the savannahs of Zululand. From the oilfields of Nigeria and the coastal moutains of Cote d'Ivore through Cameroon, Africa is a golden heartland rich in culture, resources, and potential turmoil.

I love Africa, and my nation is set in southern Africa, I’ve found that…no one else is. Well Africa is a very interesting and diverse continent, so, whoever wants a place alongside me in this grand place sign up now! As clarification, yes this is a thread to claim homeland locations as oppose to a separate Earth RP.


Claims:

Republic of Rhodesia (Wanderjar): South Africa, South West Africa (Namibia), Rhodesia, Botswana
Jayate: Somalia, Kenya, Ethiopia, Djibouti, and Eritrea
Nosorepazzau: Senegal, Guinea-Bissau, Angola

OOC: I'm in Africa, along with ViZion. Crimmond also controls part of North Africa because I was forced to concede it to keep his country from demolishing us.

OOC: I'm in Africa, along with ViZion. Crimmond also controls part of North Africa because I was forced to concede it to keep his country from demolishing us.

Then lets map it out, about where are you all located eh?

Then lets map it out, about where are you all located eh?

Vetalia occupies the area from Mauritania to Nigeria, although this can be reduced for practical reasons. Crimmond controls much of the land north of that in my country's Africa.

If we're still picking, i'll take Madagascar

Official message

Logan and Ky wishes to take the areas known as Zimbabwe, Mozambique, and Zambia as colonies. Ships full of our poorer citizens, engineers, and several divisions of soldiers to protect our claims will be sent to the area soon.

Signed,
Erikk Svalbard
President, Logan and Ky

Official message

Logan and Ky wishes to take the areas known as Zimbabwe, Mozambique, and Zambia as colonies. Ships full of our poorer citizens, engineers, and several divisions of soldiers to protect our claims will be sent to the area soon.

Signed,
Erikk Svalbard
President, Logan and Ky

No reason to be incharacter for this thread. Basically this is just a thread to pick out national home lands for countries who claim to be in Africa. Alot of the claiming should, in my opinion, be based on age, and if theres any complaint please tell me but I'm certain everyone shall agree. Now, while I've got Zimbabwe, Zambia and Mozambique are as of yet unclaimed so thats totally cool to have.

If allowed, I'll take Somalia, Kenya, Ethiopia, Djibouti, and Eritrea. If that's too many countries, then just know that they're listed in the order that I want them most (#1 choice is Somalia, #2 Kenya, etc.)

If allowed, I'll take Somalia, Kenya, Ethiopia, Djibouti, and Eritrea. If that's too many countries, then just know that they're listed in the order that I want them most (#1 choice is Somalia, #2 Kenya, etc.)

I don't see why not. You're a medium sized nation so I'm cool with that being your national homeland. :)

Are colonies allowed? If yes, I'll only put my western colony here, and I'll gladly move if another nation wants any of the countries I have - except for Senegal & Gambia. In order of most wanted to least wanted.

Senegal
Gambia
Ivory Coast
Nigeria
Guinea-Bissau
Guinea-Conakry
Sierra Leone
Liberia

Ok Ryou man, you see those islands north of Madagascar? How about claiming those rather than Mozambique? We're trying to create an independent Africa for people's homelands rather than colonial territories.

Cough cough? "Homeland Thread"

EDIT: Arr, ninja'd

Are colonies allowed? If yes, I'll only put my western colony here, and I'll gladly move if another nation wants any of the countries I have - except for Senegal & Gambia. In order of most wanted to least wanted.

Senegal
Gambia
Ivory Coast
Nigeria
Guinea-Bissau
Guinea-Conakry
Sierra Leone
Liberia

Well the thing is what myself and some others I was talking to were hoping to create was a full continent of people's physical homelands, rather than colonies. Basically like Africa today (though many will have white minority rule like myself). If you want to make a homeland here great! and if you really want the colonies then I'm cool with that still, but just take the smaller Cote d'Ivore, Senegal, etc, rather than Nigeria or Niger considering how large they are. I won't turn you away because this isn't my continent haha. You can do whatever you want I'm just trying to map out Africa on nationstates so all Afrikaner nations know whos around them. :)

Ok Ryou man, you see those islands north of Madagascar? How about claiming those rather than Mozambique? We're trying to create an independent Africa for people's homelands rather than colonial territories.

Ok.

My homeland is elsewhere because my size forced me to relocate to an imaginary landmass capable of sustaining my population. However, if you're open to giving me claim to a colony I'd gladly take anywhere in North Africa. Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt would be ideal but I'll settle less if you want to reserve the space for homelands.

Thanks!

I don't see why not. You're a medium sized nation so I'm cool with that being your national homeland. :)

I would rather have them as colonies. So in that case, I'll just take Somalia, Eritrea, and Djibouti (once again, if that's alright).

Would it be possible to locate my homeland somewhere off the coast to give me a place realative to other nations not just some random spot in the infiniently vast NS world.

Well the thing is what myself and some others I was talking to were hoping to create was a full continent of people's physical homelands, rather than colonies. Basically like Africa today (though many will have white minority rule like myself). If you want to make a homeland here great! and if you really want the colonies then I'm cool with that still, but just take the smaller Cote d'Ivore, Senegal, etc, rather than Nigeria or Niger considering how large they are. I won't turn you away because this isn't my continent haha. You can do whatever you want I'm just trying to map out Africa on nationstates so all Afrikaner nations know whos around them. :)

Yes, I know what you mean. I'll just stick with Senegal and Gambia. With the other nation's consent, perhaps a past colonial history in the area.

I duly note that I will have to kick Ryou out.

By force if necessary.

Could I build a large tower/platform a la Sealand and claim it as a piece of my homeland? :p

Could I build a large tower/platform a la Sealand and claim it as a piece of my homeland? :p

My submarines would love that. ;)

Wandy I thought you were a German nation? Welcome to the dark continent!

Can I add the Confederacies of the Algerian & Tunysian Communes? They're basically fully independent from Third Spanish States, although being allies. I took care to avoid the infamous "puppetwanking" by curtailing my main nation population.

Also, what about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabalaza_Anarchist_Communist_Federation

It would be interesting to have a "fifth column" in South Africa, but I won't do it without authorization, of course.

Can I add the Confederacies of the Algerian & Tunysian Communes? They're basically fully independent from Third Spanish States, although being allies. I took care to avoid the infamous "puppetwanking" by curtailing my main nation population.

Also, what about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zabalaza_Anarchist_Communist_Federation

It would be interesting to have a "fifth column" in South Africa, but I won't do it without authorization, of course.

I like it, it'll be interesting. :)

and for your puppet, go for it bro!

Wandy I thought you were a German nation? Welcome to the dark continent!

Yeah well I needed a change...and Rhodesia suits me. :D

I'd like to claim Angola,Sao Tome-Principe,and Guinea-Bissau as my homeland.
My people aren't ethnically african and their culture isn't either,but we are dark skinned.I guess my people will be the black sheep of the continent.:D

I'd like to claim Angola,Sao Tome-Principe,and Guinea-Bissau as my homeland.
My people aren't ethnically african and their culture isn't either,but we are dark skinned.I guess my people will be the black sheep of the continent.:D


While I think thats cool and all, and I have absolutely no problem with it, are you certain you don't want your homeland to be a single nation, and separate it between two territories? Just a thought.

While I think thats cool and all, and I have absolutely no problem with it, are you certain you don't want your homeland to be a single nation, and separate it between two territories? Just a thought.

I don't completely understand what you mean.The way I claimed fits my nations history perfectly,they were settlers/colonists from an old empire and the settlers merged with natives to form a new culture.They had scattered colonies and they were unifed into one nation.

I don't completely understand what you mean.The way I claimed fits my nations history perfectly,they were settlers/colonists from an old empire and the settlers merged with natives to form a new culture.They had scattered colonies and they were unifed into one nation.

Ah gotcha. Thats cool then.

Ah gotcha. Thats cool then.

Ok,Thanx.The Nosorians have a homeland finally!:D
It'll be interesting to see who I'll be neiborhors with.

Ok, im definitely sticking with my colonies of Zambia and Mozambique. Of course, if anybody wished to dispute my claims or pick a fight, that would certainly be fine with me ;)

Ok Ryou man, you see those islands north of Madagascar? How about claiming those rather than Mozambique? We're trying to create an independent Africa for people's homelands rather than colonial territories.

Ryou man?

Ryou man?

The country Ryou Black Islands. And if you want Zimbabwe you'll have to fight me for it considering I AM Rhodesia :p

Just as reference, these are my posts regarding the history spread of anarchism in Africa by Third Spanish States in a long dead colonization thread triggered by a serious overpopulation problem which is now solved, although the population density is still quite high at 300 million inhabitants(never mind the NS page on the "population" of Third Spanish States, because I prefer roleplaying a realistic population count).

Early colonization

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13322028&postcount=82

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13322077&postcount=86

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13322142&postcount=96

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13322248&postcount=108

Then a violent culture shock, and a very unfortunate massacre that they had no choice about:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=546210&page=11

From a bed inside a hastily built barracks, Maria, conscious, listened to the reports of the battle as a girl, Zaahira Farad, was near watching her. Tears swept from Maria's eyes as the "victory" was granted. In the eyes of most it was a defeat. They did not managed to achieve peace with the natives, and wiped out most able-bodied men from a nearby village. They were making the same atrocities of their European ancestors, ironically in the name of anarchism. Leroy was sat on a chair, his mood was not the best even if the pain from his wound was gone. A friend came to him: "We did what we had to. And look at the good side, a land previously occupied by medieval beliefs will now be freed."

Leroy looked at him and frowned "You can fantasize about being a freedom fighter as much as you want, but the truth is that we are imposing beliefs to a people, we are breaking their right of self-rule, we are forcing them to leave thousands of years of tradition, no matter how disgusting they are to our eyes, behind. We are nothing but a bunch of imperialist bastards here, this is the truth.", then the soldier said nothing in reply, he simply left. Only grieving remained to their forces...

Then the second day came. The colonists in Morocco left to avoid a major foreign relations disasters and all efforts were done to promote Algeria and Tunisia while respecting their values and culture, because both are more moderate in their beliefs, so no problems happened. Third Spanish States immediately recognized the independence of both as well

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13322827&postcount=211

We formally recognize the independence of the recently established confederacies of Algerian and Tunysian communes by human settlers originated from our country with support of the native and will not in any way interfere in their democratic decion-making process, but we are engaged into a mutual protection pact for as long as they need it to remain safe and they are officially recognized as allies of the Confederacy of the Third Spanish States as well. All military forces sent to those territories with the first settlers are also now completely unattached from Third Spanish States army and considered as their own military forces. We shall also keep an open borders policy with those two young nations.

And as a fun fact on Third Spanish States "socialist" free market:

"I've been here for 10 hours nonstop now and I didn't have a lunch, that's why I can't remember such details, but now that you asked it, know what buddy? Damn that 150% boost that would allow me to buy a mansion like those Tienda del Coche greasy-handed mechanic-engineers with Ferraris! I'm going to suggest my cooperate friends to make booking available only through Internet immediately and I'm getting out of here!"

Basically the difference is that there is no separation between a board director and assembly line worker, or in other words, jobs are not separated between manual and intellectual. All are expected to be capable and willing of perform both functions because of the cooperative organization and workers self-management(that's why they are called "mechanic-engineers"). Also, everybody gets their same share of profits and has equal decision-making power, unless there is an unanimous agreement to make a minor exception on the profit par, and TDC is basically Third Spanish States' Toyota.

Now, back to the point, after more or less a month things started to shape themselves:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13325093&postcount=273

And after 15 more days, both were politically split between the independent but allied federations of Third Spanish States colonists who built cities in non-developed areas and of locals in pre-existing cities:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13326677&postcount=305

Then, in the last breaths of life from the thread, Praetonia got some scheming plans on a diplomatic convoy from Algerian and Tunysian Communes:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13329632&postcount=490

They got an idea to "fool the wolves"

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13330062&postcount=514

And then it died... :(

But now hopefully there will be a good opportunity for me to resurrect these communes. I'll also try to put in brief what changed.

Eventually the native culture became predomination in both, and coupled with a majority of moderate Muslims, followed by Christians, which are the majority among the settlers, with only 1-2% of atheists/agnostics, it was clear that soon the arguably excessively libertine and "socially progressive" nature of Third Spanish States would fade and not be tolerated in them. Thus both are culturally more conservative than Third Spanish States, although being politically and economically revolutionary, meaning that the common human cloning experiments, practice of sex in public, presence of porn at any time in TV and alike aren't tolerated there. Also, almost nobody has Spanish as their first language there by now, and the de facto language is still Arabic in both. Although the majority is from colonists, due to the internationalist and anti-jingoist views of Third Spanish States, their kids were taught Arabic in schools and such... eventually leading to this consequence.

Second, unlike Third Spanish States, although starvation and homelessness don't exist, both are still technically developing economies and don't have the same economic power of Third Spanish States. I'm just tired of just roleplaying "perfect" NationStates in economy. Although they received initial support from CTSS, primarily in "know-how", now they are mostly on their own economically, exporting oil to many countries, among them Third Spanish States which are not self-sufficient in petroleum, although undergoing a transition into an hydrogen/biofuel/nuclear economy independent from fossil fuels, and their needs on petroleum are very little because they are close to such goal. Also they are slowly in transition from a raw petroleum export to refined oil exports, and also to computer hardware and technology overall, but they are still developing countries despite having full access to "First World" know-how and technology.

Third, like Third Spanish States, their economy, to both allow to dedicate most of their oil to exports and also to ensure survival to the peak oil crisis, is almost entirely independent from petroleum, save a few applications.

Hope this post has been explaining without being too long.

Hm, well, I'm interested in this, but don't think that I should commit to it right away because I wouldn't want it to conflict with Blackhelm Confederacy's history, since he's going to be our past colonial power. I'll have to find out if his imperial past can fit with us being located in a particular area.

At the moment, though, I'd say that Djanvallaland would probably be somewhere around Malawi-ish and probably into part of Zambia, and Bungussi bordering it perhaps in the Congo fringes.

We'll have to see if anything can be worked out, in time. So, er, tag, for now.

Hm, well, I'm interested in this, but don't think that I should commit to it right away because I wouldn't want it to conflict with Blackhelm Confederacy's history, since he's going to be our past colonial power. I'll have to find out if his imperial past can fit with us being located in a particular area.

At the moment, though, I'd say that Djanvallaland would probably be somewhere around Malawi-ish and probably into part of Zambia, and Bungussi bordering it perhaps in the Congo fringes.

We'll have to see if anything can be worked out, in time. So, er, tag, for now.

Sounds good dude!


@Third Spanish States: Holy Crap! Nice history post.

Wanderjar - are you updating the map, because I wouldn't mind making a map for y'all afrikaaners. And thew various smallish colonies floating about. Also, the claims as I understand them:

Rhodesia - South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe
Logan & Ky - Zambia & Mozambique
Uiri - Gambia & Senegal
Nosorepazzau - Angola, Sao Tome & Principe, Equatorial Guinea
Third Spanish States - Algeria & Tunisia
Jayate - Djibouti, Eritrea, Somalia

Don't forget my claims that I listed in my first post.

Wanderjar - are you updating the map, because I wouldn't mind making a map for y'all afrikaaners. And thew various smallish colonies floating about. Also, the claims as I understand them:

Rhodesia - South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe
Logan & Ky - Zambia & Mozambique
Uiri - Gambia & Senegal
Nosorepazzau - Angola, Sao Tome & Principe, Equatorial Guinea
Third Spanish States - Algeria & Tunisia
Jayate - Djibouti, Eritrea, Somalia

Go for it bro! :D

@Vetalia: I haven't forgotten ya mate, I've just been busy and the others had relatively simple claims. :)

Go for it bro! :D

@Vetalia: I haven't forgotten ya mate, I've just been busy and the others had relatively simple claims. :)

Same here. I just wanted to make sure nobody inadvertently annexes Western Vetalia...

Same here. I just wanted to make sure nobody inadvertently annexes Western Vetalia...

It won't happen.

It won't happen.

Unless you're Crimmond...:(

I claim Fernando Po.

I claim Fernando Po.


The dancer?? :confused:

The island, of course.

The island, of course.

Wow I feel rather dumb not knowing the name of the island. I thought that was an island under Spanish rule, but I didn't know its name. I looked it up and only found this spanish dancer and I was extremely confused! :p


And no wonder I was confused! Fernando Po was it's colonial name. I've never heard of it by any other name than Bioko.

I thought I'd drop by this thread considering Logan and Ky just traded his African territories for my European ones. I hope this exchange is okay with everyone. I shall treat my territories very well.

Wow I feel rather dumb not knowing the name of the island. I thought that was an island under Spanish rule, but I didn't know its name. I looked it up and only found this spanish dancer and I was extremely confused! :p


And no wonder I was confused! Fernando Po was it's colonial name. I've never heard of it by any other name than Bioko.

Fernando Po : Bioko :: Salisbury : Harare

:D

Fernando Po : Bioko :: Salisbury : Harare

:D

hahaha quite. I still don't refer to Salisbury as Harare though ;)

And I've learned something about my favourite Continent through this thread...yay

I thought I'd drop by this thread considering Logan and Ky just traded his African territories for my European ones. I hope this exchange is okay with everyone. I shall treat my territories very well.


Sounds good mate. Welcome to Africa.