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Well ladies and gentlemen, for several months I have been dropping hints in my roleplay about the increasing tension between the old Prussian Aristocracy and the new liberal movement led by students and young military officers. The defeat at the hands of AMF finally gives me the reason I need to begin the civil conflict which I had been planning in my head for several months. Thus, I am asking about who would be interested in the civil war- and whom you would side with. If you have been my ally for long, you'd likely side with the conservatives, and if you haven't or prefer to see a militaristic, imperialist power come down then you'd want to join the liberals. I will be roleplaying both sides to the best fo my ability, mainly because I know the equipment, nature, and organization more than anybody else. My time is still limited, but I will be able to get up posts often enough to make for a nice roleplay. If you have any questions, just post them here.

Only serious roleplayers need apply, even better if I have done rps with you guys before.

I am interested, I'll probably support the liberials, I don't want the Conservatives invading my nation again.

I know I'm not a serious roleplayer, I'm still learning, but I could do a commando RP in this or something else.

Keen on this. I need a good, serious, large scale war RP to sink my teeth into.

Lyras would be honour-bound to support the conservatives, although may, in the advent of fully fledged warfare, seek to advocate a military government in the Lyran sense of the word.

Either way, interested, and open to suggestions.

Yes Lyras, the conflict between the two is going to be brutal and full-scale. I want roughly even size, and of course foreign armies on my shores. Needles to say both the liberals and conservatives will be fielding millions of soldiers and hundreds of thousands AFV's. WMD won't be allowed for a fair amount of time, however, depending on how the war goes, there may be battlefield usage of it. But I will explain this further once we get to it.

Can Yanitaria sell AY-1Ms to the Liberals? I don't really feel like a large scale war RP at the moment, I have to study for the Foreign Language Fair.

I suppose you could... however at first they'd be using the same arms as the other, then it would diversify. Similar to RL civil wars.

Obviously you can count me in, especially considering your geographic location in relation to me...

This looks interesting, we still hold a grudge for the damages to the Kraken Fleet, though Mokan philosophy and Admiral Frashaw's inability to forgive means we will have to support the revolution. Though not sure whether it will be through military action or not

Cool, Doom, what side will you be taking?

Mosk, I am fine with you joining, just make sure you tell me in what capacity you'll be intervening with.

Obviously I'll be taking the liber- yeah right XD

Conservative, of course, thought that was a given.

Never know, lol. You should take the lib side just because the battles versus you and Lyras would be epic.

we'll we will IC'y watch for a bit then commit troops once the battles begin

i could send a small task force to help the prussians, I dont want to see another Imperial running around gobbling others up.

-Bump-

I'll take really whichever side you need a decent-sized player on - I can vouch for really either ideology with sufficient evidence.

Well, the Errikan Empire would, like the Lyrans, be honor-bound to support your conservatives. My time will be a tad limited for a while as well, though I'm sure I could pitch in extra effort for such a matter.

Excellent, Excellent. At this point we'd be needing liberals, a good size for the RP should be five or six other nations not including myself.

A'ight, I'll chock up my dudes for the liberal side to counterbalance your guys and Doom :D

Make benefit for glorious epic conflict...

Yeah, I'm thinking I'm going to have the bulk of my men be liberal, because between Doom and Lyras they got the conservatives covered.

Yeah, I'm thinking I'm going to have the bulk of my men be liberal, because between Doom and Lyras they got the conservatives covered.

If we wind up fighting most of the actual TPF population . . . well, we might not feel like we're really supporting an allied nation so much as propping up a regime. That's not to say we wouldn't do so, of course.

Might you want to have some basis established? I am thinking of the basis that was to be built for the Nova Europa War, which was being planned earlier this year after the rather messy affair involving you and Nova Britain. Though a great basis for a solid foundation was laid out, it kind of died. I am obviously not suggesting we go anywhere near the extreme they were planning, but perhaps we should try and establish some layout before hand?

wait, we are fighting lyras, doom and the like.....

in that case direct military combat would mean the death of us. So we will send in spec ops and commando units, call them "volunteer" soldiers, and perhaps the Bureau of Secret Affairs will deal arms to the liberals. Assuming Montana Inc doesn't sell to them first

Well TBH I wasn't that much of a fan of that layout, it doesn't really fit with Freeform. I am limiting this RP to people I know can RP well and without problems or OOC dickwaving coming into effect, and insofar it seems well. If there are specific parts of that plan you would like to adopt, you could bring them up here.

Well TBH I wasn't that much of a fan of that layout, it doesn't really fit with Freeform. I am limiting this RP to people I know can RP well and without problems or OOC dickwaving coming into effect, and insofar it seems well. If there are specific parts of that plan you would like to adopt, you could bring them up here.

Very good point. I agree whole-heartedly on the issue of keeping it Freeform; what I found attractive were things like establishing prior to the actual opening of hostilities things like maps, ORBATs, and the like. Far to many times we have squabbled over such things in the middle of the fighting. I personally liked the idea of establishing the beginning stats: if we are to rely on calculators, and the conflict drags on a while, those things might shift, and anyway cannot reliably be readily agreed upon when the conflict is going, resulting in more such squabbling.

Of course, ORBATS and maps are always good things to have.

just as long as my fleet doesn't get sunk by 600km/minute missiles again :D

We will be selling and supplying the liberals, and then the conservatives. I've always wanted to RP a Iran-Iraq-esque smuggling operation.

Mokastana: Just balance your military intervention by going in with a larger nation, such as with my own military contingent (which will be massive since I haven't had a real war in...a long time), or with the TPF people.

Yes, I blew that math to hell =/. I'm glad you caught that. Went fron six seconds to 15 minutes! XD.

true, if it was just a military problem then of course i would go in guns blazing, but diplomatically it would be suicide. IC'ly I am a major purchaser/ally of Lyras and going to war with them would not benefit the relations.Not to mention many military commanders in Mokastana read Lyras doctrine and were even planning on visting soon.

Doomingsland I was just about to make a purchase of their AVIR rifles, about a million.

true, if it was just a military problem then of course i would go in guns blazing, but diplomatically it would be suicide. IC'ly I am a major purchaser/ally of Lyras and going to war with them would not benefit the relations.Not to mention many military commanders in Mokastana read Lyras doctrine and were even planning on visting soon.

Doomingsland I was just about to make a purchase of their AVIR rifles, about a million.

Than try a new tactic. I'll ship your guys Amazonian uniforms if you'd still like to play the part of the defender of libertad and all - you'll be Mokastani, sure, but you'll look like Amazonians - and I'm more than willing to provide you with all the equipment to blend in as just groups of the Dominion military, rather than your own national soldiers.

Thinking outside the box here...or, if you want, you can cover more of the logistics operations such as supply, information, intelligence, and the like. That'd free up me and TPF to concentrate more on the actual fighting itself.

point made....sorry I'm not thinking straight, don't know if its allergies or a cold.....I think i just need a good nights rest to get my head back on straight.

but if my government is going to openly support the revolution, then we will fight, even if it is with your uniforms and a few "observers" and "advisers"

or even mercs, whatever....

I figure something out, and OOC'ly i have always wanted to fight lyras full scale just for fun.

I'm interested for the liberals.

hey leo how did the greal war end? I stopped paying attention after the cease fire, and i assume it got IGNORED to death...

Amazonian Beasts to Mokastana: Than try a new tactic. I'll ship your guys Amazonian uniforms if you'd still like to play the part of the defender of libertad and all - you'll be Mokastani, sure, but you'll look like Amazonians - and I'm more than willing to provide you with all the equipment to blend in as just groups of the Dominion military, rather than your own national soldiers.

Thinking outside the box here...or, if you want, you can cover more of the logistics operations such as supply, information, intelligence, and the like. That'd free up me and TPF to concentrate more on the actual fighting itself.

Mokan forces would want to be well-concealed within the larger Amazonian contingent. IC-ly, if Lyras were to get wind of your fighting a war when you KNOW that the Lyran alliance with TPF commits Lyran forces to fight on the other side, then Warmarshal Krell would be a little angry, to say the least.

I'm actually keen to fight alongside Errikland as well. We have been allies for a fairly long time... but haven't actually done anything co-operatively yet.

TPF, who would you prefer to win?

Its not set in stone- I could rp either way. Even if the conservatives win, the post-war effects would mean that I would still RP my nation differently.

I'm not sure who to support, when the civil war starts I'll post who I support and leave an ORBAT. Though, it will be a small force.

I'm interested, count me in to support the PWP and maybe the anarcho-capitalists too secretly and I'm not ready for a full-scale war, just for Black Ops and their ONKA("Operation Nobody Knows About")[/short reply]

There is only one faction Third Spanish States a force of Black Operatives of unknown origin would support. Nobody will claim responsibility for their actions, because nobody is that stupid. So there might be, in a moment nobody was waiting for, a sort of deployment of troopers clad in masks, black/dark blue disruptive pattern camo and no national symbols or means of identification. They won't, and can't go in large numbers because of the need of slipping behind the lines of the unaware enemy. the PWP (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=552862) won't be alone for too long on their struggle, and as their last operation ended being ended prematurely by another given up war RP, I have yet to star this sort of unconventional warfare with success. I pondered on the fact I'm participating of a few RPs already, but then I concluded that after all, they won't be a problem, as long as there is a tolerance to a few delays of one day or such during the IC thread, because I like to detail as much as possible the wars and I'll center into some characters the PoV of the conflict, rather than putting a basic formation of the ORBAT and their overall strategic positioning with the deaths and injuries of soldiers being all nothing but statistics. I will probably not send carrier groups, destroyers, battlecruisers, F-35s, tactical bombers, strategic bombers or any vehicles besides a few chassis number less and non-marked LAVs, because I doubt Third Spanish States would make much difference in conventional warfare, because their expertise is not that. Also there might be the possibility of getting into realpolitik and trying to impel the anarcho-capitalists among the liberals to make their own faction because that might seem a more likely idea to succeed, and then, "without a government there is nothing but sheer stupidity blocking the workers from taking over all the factories for themselves.". I prefer to leave most of it open and let it flow rather than following a script, even because they prefer dynamic planning and will change their plans according to how the war progress.

Cool, TSS. Still need some liberals who would commit full-scale.

I play diplomatically, and while it does mean that I get into shit like this, it also means that anyone who would invade would have lots of trouble.


So yeah, we will be doing Black operations for the rebels. kinda like the CIA and the rest of the world.

bump for moar playerz

Happy with layout so far. I will commit forces.

Doom, you up for theatre level co-operation?

Yeah, definately. I'll let you mooch off my supply lines too since I've got a colony bordering him.

Lyras: Seeing as you're already siding with Doom, I don't think Mok being concealed would be much of a problem. If you wanted to attack his or my coast/homeland, after all, you'd probaly be biting off a lot more than you wanted to chew (fair warning in there).

I freely admit that engagement in TPF and simultaneous attack of either your or Mokan home territories would be a stretch, but, given Lyras' bent, I would argue it would be do-able.

We wouldn't do it, however. That would be silly. We'd resolve the TPF situation, and then (and only then) flatten Mokastana for their stance against us, in spite of our assistance to them in the past.

Lyras has no problem reconciling with nations with whom it has fought. Treachery of allies is, however, a very big thing, due in part to the principles of honour upon which the Lyran Protectorate is founded.

BTW, Doom, to we have ANY armed forces commonality at all, with respect to those supply lines?

Not sure, tbh. Do we have any of the same calibers, or fuel?

The fuel would work. That's a plus, if nothing else. Rations? You use ETC 120mm tank ammo?

BGM-109 or equivalent cruise missiles?

120mm artillery rockets?

6.8mm ammo?

We wouldn't do it, however. That would be silly. We'd resolve the TPF situation, and then (and only then) flatten Mokastana for their stance against us, in spite of our assistance to them in the past.

Lyras has no problem reconciling with nations with whom it has fought. Treachery of allies is, however, a very big thing, due in part to the principles of honour upon which the Lyran Protectorate is founded.

then you wonder why i don't want to commit......

No, no, I fully understand, and agree. But I could happily turn a blind eye if you were well concealed within the Amazonian army. IC-ly, I just wouldn't know. If I knew IC, then I would not be, RP-wise, able to ignore it.

Mok: just equip your front-line soldiers with Amazonian gear and you should be fine. I use for the most part full-body armor which conceals identity and makes things more uniform along the frontlines.

I could send defensive systems to your homeland if you're worried about retribution there, as well as dispatch forces for defense if you fall under attack. Not like I'm doing any other wars right now, so I have numbers to spare.

no no, its not that I'm worried about invasion,

let me explain it to you this way...so you know where I am coming from

OOC'ly I am more then happy to join the rebels, I am Mokastana afterall

IC'ly its very complicated....

Mokan Culture tends to be very against betrayal of allies and those who help us, so IC'ly it would be hard to find troops willing to war with them. However Mokan's tend to hold grudges for those who attacks them, especailly with what they consider "unjustified" reasons. So cultural wise Mokans are torn between vengeance against TPF for the attacks on a fleet protecting refugees, while are deeply indebted (honor wise) to Lyras.


From the view of the government, it is a gamble, high risk for little reward, while early Mokastana was very interventionist to help socialist and leftist rebels, the current Politicians are more "conservative" when it comes to war. They tend only to deploy when they can assure the protection of Mokastana or allies need help.


So what probably will happen is I will RP a long debate with parliament, the Old Guard calling TPF and their allies currupt regimes, while the extremist will say we sold out to them for military might. While the Internationalist will be saying that we cannot betray allies and throw Mokastana into war that will spread to Mokan shores, at the end though will do black ops, and try a few divisions with Amazonian tricks. Officially the government will condemn TPF and Lyras for their actions against the people, while unofficially we will supply arms and "advisers" to the rebels, and secretly we will sell arms to both sides to make a profit off the war, probably through Montana Inc. So that way the government is not responsible but a Major corporation, that will probably claim they did not know that their employees were selling company property for personal gain.

To clarify, I'm not pushing you to send in "Uber gunz!" :p Do it how you feel best - I'm just opening up possibilities in case you do want to get into the fighting.

SpecOps is great for me, especially since I stink at RPing it - you'd fill a great hole there. Looking forward to the Parliamentary debate - makes for great RP on the small-scale and detailed lines. Not everything is guns and death, after all - so much more is individual stuggle.

true, but I will set up everything in the debates, and you can contact the Mokastana Bureau of Secret Affairs(MBSA) with your idea, no doubt they will oblige it because they want to learn more about TPF and Lyras, especailly military wise, not to mention make contacts with rebels in TPF. Action wise though I will deficiently use it to create some Special ops Characters, and fight small scale around high price targets.

Alright guys, I think the teams are fairly even, so would you all like to start the RP? I shall close it to everybody; but if anybody wants to get involved than they can just TG me. This thread will also serve as our OOC thread.

Sounds good to me, I'm all up for it starting.

ok then, lets get it started...

This war will doubtless be postponed... AMF/Questarian/TPF situation brewing... telegrams coming...

fun fun....