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OOC: SaintB helpped me with this Plane, so you can't say it is wank, it will hurt his Feelings.

IC: Sango-17 "PteroJet" Muiltrole Fighter Plane

type: Muilt Role

Size: 17.5 meters
wingspan: 27 meters when fully extended
Weight: 15 Tons (23587 kgs)
Speed: Mach 1 (in Curiseing Speed) Mach 1.9 (Supersonic Mode)
weapons: One 29mm Gun
8 Hard Points (Four Missiles, Four Bombs)

Missiles:VT-89 "Megadon" Anti-Tank Missile
VT-70 "Viperfish" Anti-Shipping Missile
VT-10 "Sea Gaul" Air-to-Air Missile

Just to tell you, we are still working on it. Me and SaintB-sama will soon have it in full.

wow... I mean my design pwns this...

I'd swap out for a mach 1.1 Supercruise, which is just max speed w/o afterburners, and does not mean you get better range than a normal subsonic cruise.

-Cruise for distance would be between 300-450 knots IIRC.
-Loitering (cruise for enurance) would somewhere hovering about 20%-25% above stall speed, allowing your pilot to make a lazy turn in a holding pattern.
-Minimum (rated) Take-Off speed should be at least 50% above stall.

So... borowing the F-14's TO speed of ~100 knots... (100/150)*100 = Stall speed
Stall speed (empty/clean) = ~70 knots
Loiter= ~90-120 Knots (and for high-speed landings)
Cruise = ~400 knots
Max speed at sea level /w/ afterburner= 800 knots (Mach 1.06)
Supercruise (at altitude) = ~725 knots (Mach 1.1)
Max speed at altitude = 1254 knots (Mach 1.9)
P/W ratio: ?? (something between 0.5:1 and 1:1)

Not horrid for a lightwieght supercruiser (About same class as F/A-18E "Rhino"/Super-Hornet, and F-35 Lighning II).
Why not a 'standard' 30 mm cannon?

23,000 kg = 23 metric tons. Though you could be measuring it in long-tons...

wow... I mean my design pwns this...

from what I heard, yours are wanked

from what I heard, yours are wanked

...and so is this...

...and so is this...

Well, I am getting help from SaintB with this, and I have to say he is good with Plane Design.:cool::D:);)

...and so is this...

It's not wanked, it's just serious unspecified. So little data that you can't really use this plane at all. It needs a lot adding but it can be workable.

from what I heard, yours are wanked

Who did you hear that from??

BHR's have been wanked in the past. He's slowly getting better and he actually puts a fair amount of effort into the designs. More than I can say for you.

nothing against this aircraft, as I am sure it is a work in progress, but I prefer real-world/proven aircraft. First, when reading your story people know and can visualize it right away. The Dogfights are easier to picture and let yourself be carried away into the story with. With made-up aircraft, in a written story, it's harder for people to associate with your aircraft. They either will think of a real-world aircraft, or some generic blob when imagining the dogfights or flights. To be completely honest, nearly all of the really great stories and conflicts from Modern Tech use real-world craft. Only a very very small amount (I can count on less than one hand) of stories that are really good and you can get caught up in here used made-up craft.

Secondly, you don't have to worry about stat wanking or cries of RPers over your craft's specs with real-world craft. It's always a concern with made-up craft. The real-world stuff is proven and you can readily see what would work and what wouldn't.

Third, some RPers will not RP with anyone using made up craft (most have stated that it is because people using made-up craft use it because it is overpowered in some way or another or like to stat-wank about their super-duper turbo ram scramjet stealth fighter/bomber with cupholders).

Just personal observations from reading stories made as far back as Jan 2004. Don't let me detour you though...if you feel you want to make a made-up fighter-jet I say go for it, but remember it will always be picked apart by others. Just a friendly word from a friend.

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A lot of people around here use NS "Tech" or custom designs in their roleplays. In fact, I'd say a good 75% of the roleplaying community on II here does. You do have a point about wanking, that's why the community has created the NS Draftroom for peer-review of tech designs. You do have a point about visualization, but if I read a write-up about it I can usally visualize it well, and some designers do their own art.

Woah... has wanked become your new buzzword, RBI? 'Cos everywhere I've been, I see that wanking is being warned against quite often. And don't go accusing people of saying their stuff is wanked without proving that it is.

BHR's have been wanked in the past. He's slowly getting better and he actually puts a fair amount of effort into the designs.

Thank you...

Wow, the wingspan is incredibly long in relation to the length of the craft. I dunno if I've ever seen that on a succesful aircraft.

Wow, the wingspan is incredibly long in relation to the length of the craft. I dunno if I've ever seen that on a succesful aircraft.

The Wing Design is based on the Pterosaurs of The Mesozoic Era, The Fold into a delta wing Design till battle, when they look like Pterosaur Wings.

I have trouble imagining what this Aircraft looks like or how it performs or multiple other things. I don't have much experience with other things so that is all I will say.

The Wing Design is based on the Pterosaurs of The Mesozoic Era, The Fold into a delta wing Design till battle, when they look like Pterosaur Wings.

One way to think about it...

The Wing Design is based on the Pterosaurs of The Mesozoic Era, The Fold into a delta wing Design till battle, when they look like Pterosaur Wings.

Ahh, so it'll be one of those planes that sounds cool and looks cool, but will fail in actual use. Noted.

Ahh, so it'll be one of those planes that sounds cool and looks cool, but will fail in actual use. Noted.

Actually flying wing fighter planes were all the rage in the early 40's...

I'm not sure why this was posted yet, but its a work in progress. I made a few jet fighters, helped make several others, and I like to read the DS boards to see whats new when I got time. All we got now are some general unspecified stats... fuselage size, a tentative wing size (which btw includes the span of both wings together, might explain why its so long). Looks like Ryou has decided on some speeds and I'll apply some math as I know it to them when I can. As for appearance... its not the first aircraft I drew and most likely not going to be the last.

I'm not sure why this was posted yet.

my guess someone wanted to show it off,like someone would with a new car

The Wing Design is based on the Pterosaurs of The Mesozoic Era, The Fold into a delta wing Design till battle, when they look like Pterosaur Wings.

That's been tried before. It failed. Spectacularly. You can't articulate an aeroplane wing like that without making it too weak to withstand transonic flight, let alone Mach 1.9. Plus, pterosaurs had wings made of skin, not metal, which means that they could change the shape of their wings and still have nice smooth lifting surfaces. Yours will either have to be made from some stretchy fabric (Spandex ASF, anyone?) or be slatted and telescopic, which will mean that your wings are much heavier, much more mechanically complicated and have much less useful internal volume for structure and systems. If you really want variable-geometry wings, use a swing-wing; it's complex enough as it is. You might get away with a sort of switchblade, but they have all sorts of issues and are best avoided until you've got a good few successful designs under your belt.

Dinosaurs died off for a reason. Try not to copy the design of a dead thing.

Wow, the wingspan is incredibly long in relation to the length of the craft. I dunno if I've ever seen that on a succesful<sic> aircraft.

Besides the U2 spyplane you mean?

And was the U2 a fighter plane? No.

Why dig threads forgotten for the best out of their graves?

http://www.hookahforum.com/uploads/1165808825/gallery_2063_3_17264.jpg

Therefore, just let it die again.