NationStates Jolt Archive


Arms Standardization (Attn: all RSA members)

Volzgrad
26-03-2008, 05:11
OOC: Since war is almost certain, we would like to put forth the arms list that should become the standard armament of the Red Star Alliance. This list is only for small arms, RSA countries may keep their pre alliance vehicles. If you have any complaints or suggestions, just message me or post.

Assault Rifle:
Name: CM-74
Ammunition: 7.62mm
Barrel Length: 317mm
Weapon Weight: 3.21kg
Clip Size: 30 round standard "banana clip" or 20 round officer clip
Rate of Fire: 750 rounds per minute
Range: 600 yards
Sights: ACOG scope, can be removed for close combat
The CM-74 is almost visually identical to the AMD-65 assault rifle (pic http://www.ultimak.com/pic5a.htm). It has a standard issue forward grip to increase accuracy and reduce weapon bob. All CM-74s have a folding stock which allows the CM-74 to be a sub machine gun as well. The CM-74 comes standard with a 30 round banana clip, but officers above the rank of lieutenant are issued a 20 round officer clip. The CM-74 comes equipped with a standard ACOG scope for firing on distant targets. The weapon is durable and extremely reliable (think AK-47 reliability). It can be easily manufactured since it is made of solid sheet steel.

Light Machine Gun:
Name: PMG-22
Ammunition: 8mm
Barrel Length: 658mm
Rate of Fire: 700 rounds per minute
Weapon Weight: 8 kg
Belt Length: 300 rounds
Clip Size: 100 rounds
Range: 1000m
Sights: Iron sights, can be replaced by an ACOG scope.
The PMG-22 is very similar to Russian light machine guns (here is a pic http://www.frontlineswar.com/?page=i...ns&image=RS_HM). It has standard issue iron sights, but an ACOG scope can be attached. The PMG-22 is very reliable and durable since it is made of stamped steel. It has a lower rate of fire than the CM-74, but makes up for it with its more powerful 8mm round. The PMG-22 usually uses 100 round drum clips, but a 300 round belt can be attached for more ammunition. Like all other Volzgradien equipment, the PMG-22 is easy to manufacture and maintain, but also deadly accurate and fast firing.

Sub Machine Gun:
Name: PPSH-88
Ammunition Used: 5mm "shredder"
Range: 150m
Rate of Fire: 850 rounds per minute
Weapon Weight: 2.6 kg
Clip Size: 50 round drum clip
Sights: Iron, can be replaced with red dot sight
Design: http://www.davesguns.com/serverpics/...ailDrum-01.jpg
An extremely fearsome addition to a soldier's close combat arsenal. With a 50 round drum clip, the PPSH-88 can absolutely blanket enemies with bullets. It uses a special 5mm "Shredder" round which is a standard bullet covered with fin like blades on the sides. The round is designed to impact the target then tumble inside their body for maximum damage. Even though the bullet has little armor piercing, the PPSH-88 can simply shred any opponent within 25 yards and cause significant damage to any targets further away. Like all other Volzgradien firearms, the PPSH-88 is reliable, easy to maintain, powerful, and durable. It is also easy to manufacture since it is made from stamped steel.

Long Rifle
Name: CD-55
Ammunition: 7.62mm
Barrel Length: 620mm
Weapon Length: 1125mm
Weapon Weight: 4.68 kg
Feed System: box
Effective Range: 1000m
Clip Size: 10 rounds
Design: http://www.kirian.nl/images/dragunov/dragunov_4.jpg
The standard armament of Volzgradien pathfinders and snipers. Effective at long range and against lightly armored targets. Easy to produce, but deadly accurate and powerful.

Pistol:
Name: MP-95
Ammunition: .45 ACP
Sights Iron
Feed System: box
Rate of Fire: 600 rounds per minute (fully automatic)
Design: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Glock_17.JPG
Clip Size: 20 rounds
Effective Range: 50 yards
A reliable and useful side arm. a fully automatic machine pistol, useful in tight quarters where armor becomes negated by range. Can shred non armored enemies at close range. Easy to manufacture and very reliable.

Shotgun:
Name: SA-41 "Laayats"
Ammunition: 10 gauge buckshot (special incendiary rounds are also used)
Weight: 3.5 kg
Barrel Length: 430mm
Weapon Length: 670mm (no buttstock)
Fire Rate: Semi-auto
Effective Range: 50 yards
Feed System: Box magazine
Clip Size: 10 rounds
Design: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Saiga-12_small.jpg
A feared and respected weapon and an absolute demon in close quarters. Unlike other combat shotguns, the SA-41 uses 10 gauge buckshot for extra power and spread. For special operations, one can use a special incendiary rounds for added damage. Since it is based on the CM-74's design, the SA-41 has very little recoil. It uses a special 10 round box magazine for quick reloading and a large ammo capacity. The SA-41 earned the nickname "Laayats" (Russian for dog bark) because of the sound it makes when it is fired. Like all other Volzgradien equipment, the SA-41 is reliable, easy to maintain, durable, and powerful. It is also easy to produce since it is made from stamped steel.
Volzgrad
26-03-2008, 12:49
bump
PAPPY462
26-03-2008, 12:53
Well since i'm buddies with CHUCKNORRISIZE and he has the round house kick that seems fair.
Tel Agarak
26-03-2008, 16:29
We have a useful tank which may be of interest:

TA1 Bloody Mary Anti-tank vehicle
Weight: 65 tonnes
Length: 8.14 m over gun
Width: 3.38 m
Height: 2.97 m
Crew: 6 (driver, radio-operator, commander, gunner, two loaders)
Armor: 200 mm
Primary
armament: Flak 41, armor piercing incediary rounds, long range targetting equipment.
Secondary
armament: 7.92 mm MG 34 machine gun (after modification)
Engine: 2×Maybach HL 120 petrol
2×300 hp (2×220 kW)
Power/weight: 9 hp/tonne
Suspension: longitudinal torsion-bar
Operational
range: 150 km (road), 90 km (cross-country)
Speed: 30 km/h

Based on the Elefant tank, the Bloody Mary is intended for long range destruction of enemy armor. The TA1 is currently under modification to modernize it's systems. Not recommended for use in swamps or marshlands, due to it's excessive weight.
Antigr
26-03-2008, 17:17
Excuse me butting in, but this doesn't say 'closed'...

Arms standardisation is a bad idea, every military has different needs. I think what you want is ammunition standardisation.
Your 'assault rifle' is actually a battle rifle because it fires a full-size rifle cartridge rather than an intermediate cartridge, making it a battle rifle.

Belts are not often used for a light machine gun, and 300 rounds is simply excesive for anything less than a GPMG.
It is not a light machine gun for the same reasons your 'assault rifle' is a battle rifle.
Modern LMGs fire intermediate cartridges.
And if the barrel length is 65.8cm, then you must have one bitch of a long gun. Even using compact bolt systems like my Wrap-Around Telescoping system, it could be up to twice as long as some other LMGs.

I highly suggest you run all these through the NSD first. And puh-lease stop using pics that are obvious RL weapons.

Is your 'pistol' a pistol or Machine Pistol/SMG?

An 8mm round in a military that uses 7.62 is near-as-makes-no-difference pointless. It's like the performance difference of the american 7.62mm .30-06 springfield vs. the german 7.92mm Mauser, i.e. little or none.

Tel Agarak, why are you using an 88mm Flak 41?
If you are going to use WWII vintage weapons, not only will tanks be immune to them but people wil laugh.
A Flak 41 has very little performance difference to the hugely cheaper Flak 18/35/36.
Why the hell do you need 2 loaders?
Why is there only one type of round that can be fired?
Two of the best NS tanks are here:

Lyras's LY4 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532246)
Macabees's Nakil (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478771)

My own latest tank, the MT-85D, is actually, by NS standards, average. Quite workable on a battlefield, but fairly average.
MT-85D (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13313625&postcount=152)
MT-85, -85B, -85C (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13207480&postcount=85)

Bear in mind when you say 'long-range' destruction of enemy tanks that this weapon is incapable of taking out most modern well-designed - or even not-that-well-designed - NS armour at point-blank range.

I suspect our upcoming war with the RSA will be periliously easy.
Can't wait for that. Volzgrad, Hurtful Thoughts tells us this has kinda been pre-arranged by TG with you. Is that true?
Tel Agarak
26-03-2008, 19:47
Tel Agarak, why are you using an 88mm Flak 41?
If you are going to use WWII vintage weapons, not only will tanks be immune to them but people wil laugh.
A Flak 41 has very little performance difference to the hugely cheaper Flak 18/35/36.
Why the hell do you need 2 loaders?
Why is there only one type of round that can be fired?
Two of the best NS tanks are here:

Lyras's LY4 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=532246)
Macabees's Nakil (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478771)

My own latest tank, the MT-85D, is actually, by NS standards, average. Quite workable on a battlefield, but fairly average.
MT-85D (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13313625&postcount=152)
MT-85, -85B, -85C (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13207480&postcount=85)

Bear in mind when you say 'long-range' destruction of enemy tanks that this weapon is incapable of taking out most modern well-designed - or even not-that-well-designed - NS armour at point-blank range.


You should read my entire post, especially the part where I said that I was going to update the tank. The reason there are two loaders is because i based it very heavily upon the Elefant tank. Or maybe you should just mind ur business, of which the way i design my tanks is not. Also, people can laugh if they want, because i treat NS like the game it is and will laugh as well.
BTW What kind of tank can take an 88mm AP shell and ignore it?
Otagia
26-03-2008, 20:36
BTW What kind of tank can take an 88mm AP shell and ignore it?
Virtually anything, actually. Abrams, Challenger, Leopard, T72... The list goes on.
Greston
26-03-2008, 20:40
OOC: Hey there RSA members, here is a big war coming your way.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13557938
Antigr
27-03-2008, 18:54
Virtually anything, actually. Abrams, Challenger, Leopard, T72... The list goes on.

And those are just RL tanks. NS armour is a lot better.
Tel Agarak, if you don't want your design to be noticed and critiqued, don't post it.