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OOC:
Here's the thing: I want my nation to have to fight for independence, and a war of independence against an RL nation sounds like no fun, so I have a question:
Who wants to be the oppressors that my nation's people can fight (at least an attempted) war of independence. I have no particular ending in mind: we would just RP it as we go along, just shooting for our goals.

Here's some info that might be important:
Location: Area that in RL contains Austria, Hungary, Croatia, Czech Republic, and way northeast Italy.
Population: 23 million
GDP: $8,056.70
Let me know (TG or post) if anything important is missing.

So how 'bout it?

Oppressors:
Greston
Amazonian Beasts

Foreign aid (one way or another)
WinTrees
Miroxia
Volzgrad

Let me know if anything doesn't sound right to you regarding your own nations.

I will. But I don't really opress though... Eh, what the heck I'll do it.

I can help out with oppression if you want, Greston...I do that kind of thing on a normal basis. Maybe contracting policing forces, f'rinstance, or something creative.

A bit late, but I would love to be involved in this. Perhaps aiding the Freedom Fighters if the occupying force is already taken?

I'm late, too, but i'll help!

maybe you should post what nation gets what position

EG:
Greston- nation's oppressor
Miroxia- Secret underground freedom fighters

just a thought

I will. But I don't really opress though... Eh, what the heck I'll do it.

I can help out with oppression if you want, Greston...I do that kind of thing on a normal basis. Maybe contracting policing forces, f'rinstance, or something creative.

Maybe we could have my country be partitioned, or something (wasn't Poland partitioned in the 1800's? So it doesn't seem unprecidented).
Note: it doesn't have to necessarily be oppression more than, say, British-->American in the 1700's. Nothing terribly severe, just enought to piss people off. (you know, taxes are too high, no representation, etc)

A bit late, but I would love to be involved in this. Perhaps adding the Freedom Fighters if the occupying force is already taken?

What do you mean when you say "adding the Freedom Fighters"? Do you mean like arming them, and other military aid?

So far all of this sounds good.

So, everybody, how does a partitioning sound? Greston? Amazonian Beasts?

As for WinTrees and Miroxia, how does secret (or not so secret, if you prefer) aid to the rebels sound?

I would love to send in a few spec ops units to aid you in fighting the oppressive Greston regime. Our nations have been having a little feud recently.

Yeah maybe, AB, the story could be that Drepner is a Grestonian colony but because of issues in other nations and places we couldn't supply the number of governing police force so we looked to outsource and you decided to apply. We accepted and then you guys became the military/police force but abused your powers unknowingly to the Grestonian Government eastablished there. So we don't look like bad guys and our acts are justified!

I would love to send in a few spec ops units to aid you in fighting the oppressive Greston regime. Our nations have been having a little feud recently.

Yeah maybe, AB, the story could be that Drepner is a Grestonian colony but because of issues in other nations and places we couldn't supply the number of governing police force so we looked to outsource and you decided to apply. We accepted and then you guys became the military/police force but abused your powers unknowingly to the Grestonian Government eastablished there. So we don't look like bad guys and our acts are justified!

Sounds good. All agreed?

That sounds spot on Drepner. I'd supply Special Forces and materials etc, maybe a bit of back stabbing as well!

Excellent. What sounds like a good time to start, then?

Today? And lets close it so not too many people come in and ruin it horribly.

Good idea. Should I start the thread, or would it be better if one of you guys did?

Probably best that you do, set up the start of the rebellion and everyone else can craft their intros around that.

Duuno there. Maybe I should. or Amazon Beasts. then the second post would be reserved for you and so on.

Weeeeeell? Which is it, then?

Yeah maybe, AB, the story could be that Drepner is a Grestonian colony but because of issues in other nations and places we couldn't supply the number of governing police force so we looked to outsource and you decided to apply. We accepted and then you guys became the military/police force but abused your powers unknowingly to the Grestonian Government eastablished there. So we don't look like bad guys and our acts are justified!

That sounds great to me. I don't really care who starts it; if y'all want me to I could make some depiction of abuse and general evilness to stir the good-heartened liberators :P

That sounds great to me. I don't really care who starts it; if y'all want me to I could make some depiction of abuse and general evilness to stir the good-heartened liberators :P

Works for me if it works for everyone else.

Then I will reserve the second post and post the governments point of view and the third post will be for Drephner to post the beginings of the revolution and then it can go from there. Sounds good.

If it's all down, then, I'll get started on the post. I won't kill too many innocent civilians ;) (jk...maybe)

Then I will reserve the second post and post the governments point of view and the third post will be for Drephner to post the beginings of the revolution and then it can go from there. Sounds good.

If it's all down, then, I'll get started on the post. I won't kill too many innocent civilians ;) (jk...maybe)

Excellent. *laughs manically*

If it's all down, then, I'll get started on the post. I won't kill too many innocent civilians ;) (jk...maybe)

Kill one for me will you. ;)

*Lights post on fire and takes out of hard drive*

Can't let anyone see your real side.

*laughs hystarically*

Kill one for me will you. ;)

*Lights post on fire and takes out of hard drive*

Can't let anyone see your real side.

One? I'm horrified! That's like...stepping on an ant.

One? I'm horrified! That's like...stepping on an ant.

Yeah your right, mutiply that by like 1,000 or so.

I imagine we can get involved on the side of the oppressors, mainly as the corrupt beneficiaries of their rule. Economic control and profiteering, massive income inequality, and organized crime would be our primary effects and would generate cash to support the oppressive government and to buy off any repercussions for our actions.

Actually, you may join in. Just wait until I make my first post.

I could use Vetalia, actually, as a sort of cooperative - if Greston just wants to be the administrative ruler, Vetalia could be the economic swindler to my military thug, so to speak.

Oh, and I was rollin' through the hood one day when I stumbled upon a ready-to-go IC thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13535026#post13535026

Shit... Looks like I've missed the Boat... and someone was inviting me to oppress them!...

Looks like i missed the boat as well, too late to drop in a pack of spec-ops disguised as mercs i suppose.

I understand if you guys don't want too many people. but I'd be willing to RP the protection Corbournnian Interests in the area (Mostly by limited military assisstance to Greston and Amazonia) if y'all will allow it.

I'd allow it if you get my name right. ;)

Terribly sorry, "Gre" words are all the same to me: Green, Greal, Greston, uhm, Greg, Grease, etc., but, in all serious, I actually know your name. I'll post once I get Drepner's approval.

EDIT: I just realized, I typed that 'cuz I saw Greali Coup thread on top of the forum. :p

I've called myself Greal a few times too. Thus the reason Greal has receive mysterious tank orders.

Since really me and AB are in control of the opressing part I will let you because post. Drepner don't get angry.

Alright, I'll post something today or tommorrow.

Okay great!

Yay! Forces of Threadiness: + like, 8. Un-threadiness:-12

Let's remember for the future people not to RP each other's casulties (apologies for doing it in the first post, I was making a plot device of sorts...won't happen again). Nice posts all around though, good intros.

Yay! Forces of Threadiness: + like, 8. Un-threadiness:-12

AB and Drepner can you reply my posts and any posts that need replying to.

I've called myself Greal a few times too. Thus the reason Greal has receive mysterious tank orders.

What? :confused:

AB and Drepner can you reply my posts and any posts that need replying to.

Yeah, hold up, I've got like...15 more AP bio words to define. Then i'll get on it.

My bad in double posting, but:

Drepner, could the oppressors get a little bit of info about cultures (ie, races, religions, and stuff of the sort) about the country? Could help out in my plan for occupation (which will get real fun soon). Also, could I get like a few of the major city names so I can reference stuff in my post? Saying "the city" over and over again gets a little dull :D

So, am I in or not? I'll be making a post as soon as AB gains some ground; we won't really have a chance to do a whole lot until we get the necessary approval to do so.

Basically, once we show up things are going to turn very rough quite rapidly for the natives, with the resultant unemployment spurring crime and dissident activities; however, it will also put pressure on the resistance by making it more difficult to purchase weaponry or supplies. Of course, our very presence will probably be enough to fan the flames and make us attractive targets (especially when our luxury cars pass by the unemployment lines and luxury apartments rise over the slums), even if targeting us carries the very high risk of our government's involvement.

So, am I in or not? I'll be making a post as soon as AB gains some ground; we won't really have a chance to do a whole lot until we get the necessary approval to do so.

Basically, once we show up things are going to turn very rough quite rapidly for the natives, with the resultant unemployment spurring crime and dissident activities; however, it will also put pressure on the resistance by making it more difficult to purchase weaponry or supplies. Of course, our very presence will probably be enough to fan the flames and make us attractive targets (especially when our luxury cars pass by the unemployment lines and luxury apartments rise over the slums), even if targeting us carries the very high risk of our government's involvement.

Trust me, I'll gain some ground :D Hope Greston's government doesn't mind me taking some liberties with what I'm going to...er, do to the cities and people...

Credits to Doomingsland for a resource on the topic in his occupation of Kahanistan, though.

Trust me, I'll gain some ground :D Hope Greston's government doesn't mind me taking some liberties with what I'm going to...er, do to the cities and people...

Credits to Doomingsland for a resource on the topic in his occupation of Kahanistan, though.

Thing behind it is that the government doesn't notice the crap you are doing but see the stuff the UDLA guys are doing so the entire thing is over our governments stupidity. Jerik sees the UDLA attacking your convoys and says tighten up on your grip over the people. He orders you guys to be more authoritive and you do and take the liberties to do crap to them all the while none of the Grestonians notice that you guys are the agressors in this.

Hey, can i join in as Foreign Aid?

To who?

To who?

To Drepner. You'll hardly need it will you! I remember your forces from the Sangea Conflict

Ah yes. Well I just wanted to ask. In no way can I really say yes so you have to wait until Drepner posts.

My bad in double posting, but:

Drepner, could the oppressors get a little bit of info about cultures (ie, races, religions, and stuff of the sort) about the country? Could help out in my plan for occupation (which will get real fun soon). Also, could I get like a few of the major city names so I can reference stuff in my post? Saying "the city" over and over again gets a little dull :D

I'm addressing a lot of posts at once, so here goes:
I put some info at the beginning of my next IC post (its not up, yet, though) as far as cities.
As for ethnicities...there'd be some German (on account of RL Austria being within Drepnarian territory, Hungarian (or Magyar, depending on what you feel like calling it) for the same reason, Slavic (RL Croatia and Slovenia are within Drepnarian borders).
As far as religion, Roman Catholicism, Judaism (all denominations), Protestant Christianity (various denominations, mostly Lutheran and Calvinist), Greek Orthadox, Islam (whatever denomination is common in the RL former Yugoslavic republics, I guess), are the most common, in roughly that order.

To Vetalia: you're in.

By the way, there should probably be some limitations on what AB's people can do; the rebels need some kind of limits that the enemy has that they can hide behind.

To Drepner. You'll hardly need it will you! I remember your forces from the Sangea Conflict

Your welcome to join in, though you may need to wait till a few more posts are in. But yes, you're welcome to join in.

Thing behind it is that the government doesn't notice the crap you are doing but see the stuff the UDLA guys are doing so the entire thing is over our governments stupidity. Jerik sees the UDLA attacking your convoys and says tighten up on your grip over the people. He orders you guys to be more authoritive and you do and take the liberties to do crap to them all the while none of the Grestonians notice that you guys are the agressors in this.

Ballin'. Got a bunch of plans; just needed the green light.

Drepner: Probaly true, but it'll have to come from Greston. My guys are kinda...rough? I got a lotta lessons by reading wikis on the Boer War and like occupations, along with the Clandonia occupation and Kahanistan ones on NS.

Ustio: I'm all for what creative system you'll have for getting that material in to the country :D

TBH, it was aimed more at him, but it's nice to know someone's listening :)

I don't mind though, i'll oppress if needs be

I'm going to make an intro post now, I hope you lot don't mind me already having people on the ground. I want to jump in with a bit of a test case in the south of the country.

Ustio: I'm all for what creative system you'll have for getting that material in to the country :D

You mean my military forces? Yeah the Ustio Transport Division is suffering a bit.

But if Sociology has taught me anything, it's that rebellion can take different forms: From open rebellion to subtle adaptations of behaviour.

I don't need to be there to be providing aid. I could simply supply Drepner with...equipment

And then go from there?

Damn. I had actually been planning on yanking my last post. Too late now, I guess.

Greston, are those payloads nukes? Or something else sinister? Or are they just plain old bombs?

Damn. I had actually been planning on yanking my last post. Too late now, I guess.

Greston, are those payloads nukes? Or something else sinister? Or are they just plain old bombs?

Hmmmmmmm, didn't think of that, be creative think of something and blows crap up and will kill people. Maybe a Napalm would be nice. So that is settled, Napalms. I am burning your city down.

Hmmmmmmm, didn't think of that, be creative think of something and blows crap up and will kill people. Maybe a Napalm would be nice. So that is settled, Napalms. I am burning your city down.

All I needed to know was that it wasn't anything that would A) destroy absolutely everything/anything, B) Kill almost everyone, C) Inflict radiation sickness, poisoning, sufficatoin, etc. on anyone who escaped the direct blasts.

Thanks for the info.

May I assume that the men who are fighting back take down at least at least one or two bombers?

Yes you may but who would be fighting back? I didn't think the UDLA had that kind of fire power. but go ahead just please post I am bored.

A thousand curses on this forum for dying off last night in the midst of my 6-MS Word-page post! That is frustrating.

Ustio North: Sounds good to me; I like smart opponents :D

I'll need to go hit up the IC thread to see what's happened since I almost got done with my piece last night...dang, that was beautiful too [/self-pity]. Ah well, back to wikipedia to look that stuff up again...

A thousand curses on this forum for dying off last night in the midst of my 6-MS Word-page post! That is frustrating.

Ustio North: Sounds good to me; I like smart opponents :D

I'll need to go hit up the IC thread to see what's happened since I almost got done with my piece last night...dang, that was beautiful too [/self-pity]. Ah well, back to wikipedia to look that stuff up again...

My post from last night was my third try. I had tow real awesome master peices and then the forums screwed up. I hate it.

Hope the attack on the capital ain't too late for me to throw in a squadron's worth of thermobaric payloads...assuming you want the city..."left in ruins," per quote the IC thread, Greston :p.

Hope the attack on the capital ain't too late for me to throw in a squadron's worth of thermobaric payloads...assuming you want the city..."left in ruins," per quote the IC thread, Greston :p.

Well then tell your pilots to get their asses over there. There is going to be a few rounds of payload dropping. These guys will drop it off, go back, pick some up, and go back to the city and bomb 'em again.

Sounds good; I'll re-route a patrol over.

EDIT: With the completed post, here's clarification on the three parts that I worded more story-like that clear: part one is the hit, naturally, with fuel-air explosive weapons. Part two is me surrounding Zagreb and basically cutting off all transportation to and from the city (subplots to come! And more oppression through fun means). Part three is a little unclear (more than a little) on my part likely - I'm having bombers dump hundreds of thousands of gallons of all-consuming herbicides to kill off any and all plant life in your countryside to root out your insurgents and force citizens towards the cities (see a pattern? I want them in the cities...they can be free there! Heh...yeah!)

Yes you may but who would be fighting back? I didn't think the UDLA had that kind of fire power. but go ahead just please post I am bored.

Are a handful of Stinger Portable Surface to Air missile systems (or something of the same variety) too far out of the question, relative to resources? I thought it would be...amusing, if the artillary happy captain had gotten ahold of some old flak guns, too. Is that too far out there?

Hope the attack on the capital ain't too late for me to throw in a squadron's worth of thermobaric payloads...assuming you want the city..."left in ruins," per quote the IC thread, Greston :p.

What are thermobaric payloads? Those aren't, like, going to kill 2/3 of the city, are they?

First off, Greston, you have a TG.

Second, some science coming:

They're tactical in this sense (though they can be ramped up to strategic payloads...the biggest conventional warhead in the world, Russia's "Father Of All Bombs" [mocking the American MOAB] is a thermobaric weapon), though they can inflict serious damage.

The principle behind a thermobaric weapon is in the oxidization of the explosive core of the warhead. Rather than use both an explosive node and an oxidizer to spread the explosion using oxygen (as fire needs oxygen to propogate), thermobaric weapons use oxygen straight from the air. This is both a) more efficient, and b) more devestating, though at the same time a bit harder to predict. Their explosive power can get a little out of hand depending on the scenario/situation - if it's an oxygen-rich environment, explosions can grow way out of hand.

This all works (the use of oxygen in the air) in creating colloquially called a "pressure bomb" or "vacuum bomb." By using the oxygen in the air, the thermobaric warhead (also called a fuel-air explosive, or FAE) uses up all the oxygen in "ground zero," which can be pretty large depending on the warhead yield (the ones I'm using are about the equivalent to "missilized" - JDAM bombs). In this sense the weapon creates a vacuum. The detonator of the weapon detonates (lacking a better word) the aerosol cloud of explosive fuel shot out as the weapon comes in to its attack point.

The explosion caused by the detonation of the fuel cloud, ignited by the air's oxygen, creates a massive shockwave due to pressure spiking above (sometimes far above) atmospheric pressure that fires outward from the epicenter of detonation, flattening just about anything in its way - in essence, a micro-nuke without the radiation (once again, depends on the scale - a tactical weapon like I'm firing might wipe out a city block or two, while a strategic weapon like the FOAB could potentially annihilate half a city or more, depending on urban size).

The pressure spike inflicts the primary damage, though like the properties of a nuke, a secondary "reverse shockwave" is going to occur because of the vacuum created at the epicenter. If anything happens to survive (possible, but unlikely), air is going to rush back in to fill the void created by the vacuum in a second, smaller blast towards the epicenter, flattening whatever happens to still be standing. The heat produced by a thermobaric weapon (thermobaric comes from Greek - the "thermo" part meaning heat while the "baric" meaning pressure) also is a major damage producer - it's intense.

Thermobaric weapons are widely scaleable despite them being new-ish designs - technically flamethrowers were the original thermobaric weapons (in the vacuum sense), as they could suffocate those who escaped the flame part of the weapon by using the air to propogate the flame and used up air in the local area. Now, the US has tried out thermobaric grenades and a thermobaric version of the Shoulder-Launched Multi-Purpose Weapon anti-vehicle rocket system for infantry, to Russian MLRS rockets, to the FOAB and big-ass bombs.

In short, they're popular in the destructive sense, and they're deadly. It's science, but it works.


Regarding the Stingers - Stingers are cool by me. Of course, you may need to launch a lot of them to catch fast-moving fighters, but en masse they could probaly hit bombers lacking heavy jamming or reflective equipment. Nothing's perfect, naturally - S-A-8 SAMs couldn't always shoot down F-111 Aardvarks, for instance, in the Vietnam war, despite them being pretty damn good SAM weapons. Stingers in the Falklands War, as another example, couldn't shoot down but one Argentinan Pucara aircraft and didn't get any of their Super Etendards. Damn good against helos, though - Mi-8s got trucked by them in the Iran-Iraq War.

Regarding the Stingers - Stingers are cool by me. Of course, you may need to launch a lot of them to catch fast-moving fighters, but en masse they could probaly hit bombers lacking heavy jamming or reflective equipment. Nothing's perfect, naturally - S-A-8 SAMs couldn't always shoot down F-111 Aardvarks, for instance, in the Vietnam war, despite them being pretty damn good SAM weapons. Stingers in the Falklands War, as another example, couldn't shoot down but one Argentinan Pucara aircraft and didn't get any of their Super Etendards. Damn good against helos, though - Mi-8s got trucked by them in the Iran-Iraq War.

What would be good against jets then? I'll edit out the stingers for something better, if its all just technical stuff and it doesn't make as much difference in the long run; the insurgents shouldn't have too many of whatever it is.

BTW, I have responded to the Zagreb blockade.

Oppressor Please. I might back-out if the Talentay threat starts kicking again, but that's in the present and this is in the past. So what Tech levels would we be using?

I'll respond sometime tonight - got 4 flow charts to finish up before that :D kinda splitting time here...but who likes AP biology anyway? Not me. Not like I'll ever use it.

If you want a good SAM device, find some way to procure a package of Patriot SAMs (I won't give away the real good ones, mostly because I use the best of the best from Norway...there's a hint). Patriots are US-made designs that can put the smackdown even to Mig-25 Foxbats, which can travel at Mach 3, and can intercept and destroy cruise missiles and slower-moving AGMs. Ships use things like SM-3 SAMs and Grumble SAMs (S-300 Russian varients), but doubtful those could be translated to land (the SM-3s definately can't be).

You may be able to get some Crotale SAMs (French short-range SAMs that are fairly good) which are definately an advantage over Stingers in reference to jet aircraft. For choppers, you really don't need anything more than a basic SA-2, which is pretty ghetto. Only copters that really have any sort of jamming or the lot are attack copters like the RL Apache or Hind.

If you're looking for shoulder-launched, SA-18s could probaly do the trick, but both the vehicle-mounted Crotales and Patriots are way more effective and likely to hit/kill. SA-18s won't always kill with one.

Of course, there's always ways to take out SAMs, remember. As long as you're using radar to target (which the Crotales and Patriots both do), an attack jet (the code name is Wild Weasel for the attack strategy here; to intercept AA) can spot the radar tracking and launch an ARM (anti-radar missile), like the AGM-88 HARM of the US of today. Very effective air-to-ground missiles.

Oppressor Please. I might back-out if the Talentay threat starts kicking again, but that's in the present and this is in the past. So what Tech levels would we be using?

...so who wants to tell Terre Nationale that he's too late? Anyone? Anyone?

Now if you want to join as aid to me...the period is MT.

Aid? Nevermind then.

Aid? Nevermind then.

Or you can give "Aid" to the oppressors. The only reason AB is here is because we contractered their troops in this maybe the story is that you have one regiment or so in Drepner that we contracted and that is their story, surviving with so little people and with barely any equipment.

Hmmm, that sounds cool, but I'm going to wait until tomorrow to see if the Talentay RP will come back to life.

As an alternative for a fun subplot, Terre, you could be an insertion team (kinda like a Delta Force operations, or the US Rangers) working against the insurgency in tactics better suited than the broad-ranging strategy of me and Greston, which is more of a flat-line. I would've probaly introduced something later on to counter an insurgency on the small scale, but to have another player do it (to be able to focus on it solely) would be way better.

OOC: Couple notes, Drepner, on your last post - just a reminder, my airstrips are all contained to the five coastal Safe Zones. In fact, everything is contained there - I currently have pulled back forces from Stredenburg, naturally (and soon to be every city but Zagreb) to retreat to the coast and the Zagreb blockade (that'll all make sense in the future posts to come). Also, besides the lone Stredenburg attack I made, I'm not making any bombing runs (unless you count the firebombing that already occurred presumably some time ago surrounding my Safe Zones to clear out all the vegetation in a two-mile diameter in arcs from each Zone). All my bombers are doing are dropping hundreds of thousands of herbicide (lethal to all plant forms due to its indiscriminate nature; effects will already be punching in and full death of plants will occur within a week; but not lethal to people unless they inhale way too much or drink a load of it) per gas run (per math in my post, 4 a day). It'll kill whatever plant life it touches - essentially human desertification of your country in the short-term (it's not long-lasting - merely until the next year's growth, so an annual poison, so to speak) - but not kill off people. The point is to drive your people towards the cities from the countryside...I mean, they could stay in vegetation-less countryside, but they'd be easy targets. Ie, like in the Israeli-Syrian conflicts with what happened to Syrian units.

I have a major run-on sentence in that post...wow.

Miroxia: A short summary of the thread. Greston is occupying Drepner and I'm his hired muscle to do the job. Drepner is running an insurgency against our combined forces (Greston is running more of a brute-force campaign; I'm drawing a psychological attack and deprivation assault on Drepner proper and focusing on long-term overwhelming of resources). His insurgency is scattered but organized and gaining momentum and now being supplied by Wintrees (who I'm assuming got in via the land border, which I don't think anyone has closed...I haven't. I just shut down the coast.)

You can join either side you feel. That's the basic situation. The current sitrep is so: I'm pulling my soldiers out of cities and relegating a wide-spread attack to gas and kill the entire countryside of Drepner and make it devoid of plant life (animal life free to survive...naturally, it won't without plants). Greston and I just bombed the daylights out of Stredenburg, Drepner's capital city, with incendiary bombs from Grestonian bombers and thermobaric missiles from my fighters. That's basically where we stand, with Wintrees now making contact with the Drepner insurgency.


Wintrees: I'm gonna assume that was a Grestonian patrol as...I really don't have wandering patrols, seeing as what I have planned for the countryside in the coming IC month. In fact, soon there will be no patrols period from me - simply containment (actually, in this coming post that I'm typing).

OOC: Couple notes, Drepner, on your last post - just a reminder, my airstrips are all contained to the five coastal Safe Zones. In fact, everything is contained there - I currently have pulled back forces from Stredenburg, naturally (and soon to be every city but Zagreb) to retreat to the coast and the Zagreb blockade (that'll all make sense in the future posts to come). Also, besides the lone Stredenburg attack I made, I'm not making any bombing runs (unless you count the firebombing that already occurred presumably some time ago surrounding my Safe Zones to clear out all the vegetation in a two-mile diameter in arcs from each Zone). All my bombers are doing are dropping hundreds of thousands of herbicide (lethal to all plant forms due to its indiscriminate nature; effects will already be punching in and full death of plants will occur within a week; but not lethal to people unless they inhale way too much or drink a load of it) per gas run (per math in my post, 4 a day). It'll kill whatever plant life it touches - essentially human desertification of your country in the short-term (it's not long-lasting - merely until the next year's growth, so an annual poison, so to speak) - but not kill off people. The point is to drive your people towards the cities from the countryside...I mean, they could stay in vegetation-less countryside, but they'd be easy targets. Ie, like in the Israeli-Syrian conflicts with what happened to Syrian units.

Got it. I shall yank that part of the post, as it is irrelevant more or less with this information. Thanks for the info.

Out of idle curiosity, what's up with the two deleted posts of yours that are explained as Jolt WTF? and Jolt WTFx2? What happened there?

Miroxia: what exactly happened in your post? I'm afraid I didn't understand very well. Could you please explain that?

Amazonian Beast were going to gas your fields, so we tried to stop them, but I can't RP other's deaths, so I need his response. Then some troops came to aid a small village.

Er...not to be offensive, Miroxia, but that was a funny post :D

You got my kind of gas wrong. I'm using gas-form herbicides, not actual gasoline. Also, I don't exactly have dudes running around the countryside - they're all contained to one large army moving back to the coast (as per my last post), in one of my five Safe Zones, or in the Zagreb blockade. Greston may have patrols out, you may want to ask him about that since I'm not sure how his strategy is progressing at this point.

Heh, about the "Jolt WTF" part...NS is a little jerky today. I was partway through the post when my internet suddenly created a new tab (twice) with what I had already done being posted up. It was wierd. Didn't delete it or anything in the tab I was in - just as I had it - just had two new posts with the same half-finished post in both of them. I just up and deleted them.

Yeah that Patrol was just a plot device to be honest, could have been anyone... hunters/merc whatever.

Just to make it clear though, are there any unfriendly forces left in the country? Or are they all withdrawing to the safe zones? Isn't someone making noise that your destroying both the agricultural and industrial bases of the colony, might be an interesting turn of events if they did. :)

Yeah that Patrol was just a plot device to be honest, could have been anyone... hunters/merc whatever.

Just to make it clear though, are there any unfriendly forces left in the country? Or are they all withdrawing to the safe zones? Isn't someone making noise that your destroying both the agricultural and industrial bases of the colony, might be an interesting turn of events if they did. :)

Could be. (about informing the world of the destruction of the environment and cities.)

BTW, WinTrees, I don't actually necessarily need all the stuff you listed. If anything, its probably more along the lines of AA stuff, and the ammunition for just about everything. Except for small arms ammo. I'm going on the assumption that I have a crap load of it. Oh, and I might need fuel (read my last post, it'll explain it. Sorry 'bout the tanks, I just thought they might make things interesting...) and tank cannon ammo.

You can tell the world whatever you want to tell the world; that's war :D Take Iraq. There's mixed messages coming out all the time - some negative, some positive. Take Vietnam - mixed messages came out (though that time they were almost all negative and missed the positive - sorry to be subjective).

Of course, when (if) you do, I'll be sure to counter with my own stuff, and maybe lambast your country with false information as well :p

There are plenty of my forces left in the country, just they're all in two spots (the safe zones or around Zagreb). That'll expand when I finish up with my aerial campaign.

Not cool! Shouldn't I get to decide if my character lives or dies? What if I wanted him for something else?!

Sorry...exploded there. Shouldn't I be able to not have Thomas die though? He's my character...can I post the UDLA interfereing in the investigation?

Could maybe someone else be subjected to the screw up or something?

Sorry if this sounds kind of whiny, but I don't particularly like killing off named characters when I have other plans for them.

Not cool! Shouldn't I get to decide if my character lives or dies? What if I wanted him for something else?!

Sorry...exploded there. Shouldn't I be able to not have Thomas die though? He's my character...can I post the UDLA interfereing in the investigation?

Could maybe someone else be subjected to the screw up or something?

Sorry if this sounds kind of whiny, but I don't particularly like killing off named characters when I have other plans for them.

Neither do I but many a times have named characters of mine, often time good, elaborately set up charaters, died. I have Jake for instince. He was the best character I ever made for instance. he was a terrorist who i planned on possibly using to start a rebellion in Greston> But instead he got shot in head and then napalms were dropped on him. Or maybe Captain Robert Gat and his Possy. He as in my first RP ever and was the sixth character I ever made for the game. He shot six times in the chest by Maldorians in a Maldorian Camp. His men got sniped out or had their brains blown out by a shotgun. Or even my dear old president Michael Check. He was Greston's first president. He was placed in a phyco facility and seconds after he got out he was shot in the throat. Or even my more recent character, the ones in this thread for instance. That squad, who I had plans for (I made them before you made the trashcan bomb), was destroyed, only one survived. So don't whine. I have 10 guys huddled in the doorway so even if you shot the bullet had no chance of hitting him. Also did you take into consideration the large number of men already there (3,000 or so) and the number of tanks? So please don't whine. What you did was a god mode, what I did wasn't.

Neither do I but many a times have named characters of mine, often time good, elaborately set up charaters, died. I have Jake for instince. He was the best character I ever made for instance. he was a terrorist who i planned on possibly using to start a rebellion in Greston> But instead he got shot in head and then napalms were dropped on him. Or maybe Captain Robert Gat and his Possy. He as in my first RP ever and was the sixth character I ever made for the game. He shot six times in the chest by Maldorians in a Maldorian Camp. His men got sniped out or had their brains blown out by a shotgun. Or even my dear old president Michael Check. He was Greston's first president. He was placed in a phyco facility and seconds after he got out he was shot in the throat. Or even my more recent character, the ones in this thread for instance. That squad, who I had plans for (I made them before you made the trashcan bomb), was destroyed, only one survived. So don't whine. I have 10 guys huddled in the doorway so even if you shot the bullet had no chance of hitting him. Also did you take into consideration the large number of men already there (3,000 or so) and the number of tanks? So please don't whine. What you did was a god mode, what I did wasn't.

You could have simply said "No, you just godmoded." I would have gotten the picture just fine.

*grumbles* could have given me a heads up you were going to kill him... *grumbles*

BTW, as for how the UDLA got back in the city, they technically never left. They simply hid in bases and shelters they constructed in the sewers. I seem to recall mentioning it in a previous post, and you said nothing. So there's no problem getting back into the city. And sneaking around is no problem; just pop out of the nearest manhole.

You could have simply said "No, you just godmoded." I would have gotten the picture just fine.

*grumbles* could have given me a heads up you were going to kill him... *grumbles*

BTW, as for how the UDLA got back in the city, they technically never left. They simply hid in bases and shelters they constructed in the sewers. I seem to recall mentioning it in a previous post, and you said nothing. So there's no problem getting back into the city. And sneaking around is no problem; just pop out of the nearest manhole.

No I was fine with them being in the city, I wasn't fine with them being able to get into the house because three people attempting to do that wouldn't be possible. They can be in the city and stuff I just mean their getting inside didn't make sense cause they would have to get past at least 6 PT-1 Tanks in the area and at least 20 GDGS's and the 10 inside the house.

If there's one thing to be learned in NS, it's that no one is totally protected. Don't be too attached to your characters - I regularly have transitions to keep things moving and so that my character scene doesn't stagnate (f'rinstance, I just had my old badass Emperor die from natural causes last month and siphoned a new Imperial Council in). Gotta be able to mix things up so in case something does happen you're ready to move on to other people.

Look at FDR. He died during the biggest international conflict in US history at the time since the Revolutionary War, yet Harry Truman was ready to come up and step in as Commander in Chief.

Is the thread closed to any more people?

Is the thread closed to any more people?

You'll have to ask Drepner, but I don't think so.

What do you want to do though? Tell us and we can say yes or no.

Aid to the little guy.

Aid to the little guy.

I'd say Drepner wouldn't be against that :p

Do keep in mind, if you try and go in via air, you're almost guarenteed to get shot down/at by either my or Greston's air assets. As far as I know, the coast is open...but of course, I'll be on anyone not scheduled to near the coast in a heartbeat :D That's how occupations run, after all.

This is my first time doing this sort of thing so...could you give any advice? Obviously you don't have to, but I'd appreciate a hint or something, seeing as I lack a land border with Drepner.

Most def a toughie on that. The best I can probaly advise you would be air-dropping a crew on the land that borders Drepner, and then entering the country through there and heading towards a city - after all, the countryside is...disappearing? Heh...

To find out more about the countryside, read the thread and you'll get an up-to-date sitrep.