NationStates Jolt Archive

Pan-Atlantican Summit (Closed tight, ATTN EA and Orbath)

Yanitaria

03-03-2008, 05:41

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Invitation to the Pan-Atlantican Summit

The USSY, being fed up with the paranoia between the two main alliances of Europa Atlantica, wishes to invite all Atlantican leaders, regardless of Political Ideology, Alliance, or Standing amongst us to come to the town of Eravia, on the Island of Lemnos, in the United Socialist States of Yanitaria, to discuss an end to the hostilities and animosity that pervades the region, that divides once good neighbors.

For this purpose, the town of Eravia will have no military presence. The number of police will be augmented, and the regularly scheduled coast guard patrols will continue, however, President Frederick Norheim will be unarmed, and with out his usual bodyguard.

All delegates wishing to attend (and it would be greatly appreciated if the Heads of State could take the time to do represent their nations), should contact the USSY Ministry of Foreign Affairs. They will be allowed, at most, two armed body guards carrying only pistols, and will stay in the Eravian Solaris, one of the finest hotels in Yanitaria.

Help us put an end to the animosity. Help us unify Europa Atlantica under the banner of brotherhood and peace, instead of dividing it under the dominion of hate and prejudice.

OOC: The writing is blah, I just rattled this off quickly so that I could post it.

A few notes, the Solaris is like one of those fancy hotel chains, sorta like the Ritz-Carlton, and is one of the Privately owned businesses that I have neglected RPing as.

Eravia would be in the resort region of Yanitaria, and is on the beach. There is plenty to do and see, but most of it is extremely expensive, and caters to the upper class. Not all Yanitarian resort towns are like this, though.

Finally, my intention with this meeting is to patch relations between the AU and the NOP, and possibly create some intermediate body, sorta like the UN, that can fulfill the goals of the Old AU, and Unify EA

The House of Boothby

03-03-2008, 05:53

Official Communique
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From the desk of Thomas Christopher Clark Boothby
Hereditary Ruler of the House of Boothby

To: The USSY Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Subject: Pan-Atlantican Summit

I am drafting this letter to inform the USSY Ministry of Foreign Affairs that I would welcome the opportunity to discuss pacification of regional tensions that have been recently escalating. Please inform President Frederick Nordheim that I commend his efforts in this regard. Additionally, as a sign of goodwill towards all nations of Europa Atlantica I will forgo any security detail.

Signed,
Thomas Christopher Clack Boothby

Yanitaria

03-03-2008, 05:59

Snip

Personal Letter to Thomas Bootby,
From Frederick Norheim

I welcome you to my nation and thank you for throwing off the bonds of paranoia and forgoing a security detail. I look forward to meeting the leader of one of our closest allies for the first time.

Orbath

03-03-2008, 06:20

Stoklomolvi

03-03-2008, 06:21

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Yanitaria

03-03-2008, 06:47

Official Government Message
I, President James Andrews will be attending the conference. I have high hopes that we will walk out with some level of peace finally among us. An agreement between the two alliances can only lead to gain and not loss. In the spirit of the event, I will be traveling to and from the conference with my security detail however, once at the conference I will remain unarmed and unguarded. I will also bring a gift for each attendee.

Response from President Norheim:
We welcome you, President Andrews, one of our closest allies. Your willingness to give a gift to each attendee has moved me personally, and I am glad to see that our NOP brother is so dedicated to peace. Because of this, I too, will be bringing gifts for all the attendees.

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OOC: L. M. A. O. I loved the bit about "I trust I will not die in Yanitaria".

IC: Written with an Antique Quill given to him during his election, Frederick wrote back:

To Alexei Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich, my good friend.

I welcome you to the conference with open arms. May both our nations soon celebrate peace in Europa Atlantica.

Sincerely,
Frederick Norheim

Oily prata

03-03-2008, 13:32

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I, President Willheim Zeko, would be honoured to join this august conference, in hopes of placating the growing hostility between Atlantican Union and NOP states. I will be arriving by Gulfstream G550 Presidential Craft, with only one bodyguard and his Diablo. I trust to have a good time in Yanitaria.
Regards,
President Willheim Zeko
United Socialist State Of Norsikia

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

03-03-2008, 14:15

OOC: For all intents and purposes lets assume that the Treaty of Brussels Establishing the Atlantican Union has been signed.

IC:

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To: The United Socialist States of Yanitaria
From: HRMH, King Willem VI, by the Grace of God, King of the Benelux...(more)
Subject: Pan-Atlantican Summit

I, His Royal Majestic Highness King Willem VI, shall be personally attending your Pan-Atlantican summit. I shall be bringing with me my two bodyguards, Hans and Dan, both armed with only a tiny pistol each and their extensive knowledge of martial arts. We hope peace can be negotiated before any war.

Sincerely,
HRMH,
Willem VI,
King of the Benelux

Soviet Aissur

03-03-2008, 15:17

To: The United Socialist States of Yanitaria.
From: Ivan Longstinkon (Secretary of State)

This is a notice that I will be attending the meeting. I will only take my one guard armed with a pistol. The Secretary of Foreign affairs (Jay Johnation II) will also be attending. I hope we can create a better peace between the NOP and AU, for that would create a better place for the pupulace.

Ivan Longstinkon (Secretary of State)
Jay Johnation (Secretary of Foreign Affairs)

Yanitaria

03-03-2008, 20:08

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We welcome our Norsikian brothers to attend the conference, and I personally look forward to meeting you Comrade Zeko

Sincerely, Frederick Norheim

OOC: For all intents and purposes lets assume that the Treaty of Brussels Establishing the Atlantican Union has been signed.

IC:

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To: The United Socialist States of Yanitaria
From: HRMH, King Willem VI, by the Grace of God, King of the Benelux...(more)
Subject: Pan-Atlantican Summit

I, His Royal Majestic Highness King Willem VI, shall be personally attending your Pan-Atlantican summit. I shall be bringing with me my two bodyguards, Hans and Dan, both armed with only a tiny pistol each and their extensive knowledge of martial arts. We hope peace can be negotiated before any war.

Sincerely,
HRMH,
Willem VI,
King of the Benelux

We excitedly welcome the first of the Union nations to come to the peace table. This is a great step forward in stabilizing Europa Atlantica.

Sincerely,
Frederick Norheim

To: The United Socialist States of Yanitaria.
From: Ivan Longstinkon (Secretary of State)

This is a notice that I will be attending the meeting. I will only take my one guard armed with a pistol. The Secretary of Foreign affairs (Jay Johnation II) will also be attending. I hope we can create a better peace between the NOP and AU, for that would create a better place for the pupulace.

Ivan Longstinkon (Secretary of State)
Jay Johnation (Secretary of Foreign Affairs)

We welcome another NOP brother, and we are glad to see that two of the most powerful men in Aissuria will be attending the conference.

Corbournne

03-03-2008, 23:23

Morgiland

03-03-2008, 23:53

-SIC to the USSY-

Comrade,

It is with great pleasure that I announce the voyage of Chancellor Rustakov to your nation. I can assure you that all of your requests regarding security shall be followed to the letter.

-Mas. Gen. Erik Von Stubben
External Affairs Adviser to the Chancellor
United Socialist States of Morgiland(USSM)

For the Glory of the People, State, and Iron-Fist of Morgiland

Yanitaria

04-03-2008, 00:53

From the Desk of Sebastien Lefebvre...
Premier of the Armed Federal Republic of Corbournne

To: The USSY Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Subject: Re:Pan-Atlantican Summit

I would like to state my intention of personally attending the Pan-Atlantican Summit. I am neutral in this "cold war" of sorts, and I believe that peace and friendship is the best course of action for Europa Atlantica, and I hope my fellow leaders of the continent feel the same way.

Signed,
Sebastien Lefebvre

I personally welcome you to my nation. Since we share a land border, we fully invite you to use land transport to reach your destination if you so choose.

Sincerely,
Frederick Norheim

-SIC to the USSY-

Comrade,

It is with great pleasure that I announce the voyage of Chancellor Rustakov to your nation. I can assure you that all of your requests regarding security shall be followed to the letter.

-Mas. Gen. Erik Von Stubben
External Affairs Adviser to the Chancellor
United Socialist States of Morgiland(USSM)

For the Glory of the People, State, and Iron-Fist of Morgiland

We welcome you to the USSY, comrades. We hope that you will find our nation most enjoyable.

Yanitaria

06-03-2008, 03:43

OOC: Bump for NP

----Kenny----

06-03-2008, 04:01

Yanitaria

06-03-2008, 04:53

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Official Diplomatic Communiqué

To: The USSY
From: Kennyian Foreign Ministry

I am pleased to annouce ----Kenny----'s support of this Pan-Atlantican Summit and I myself will be in attendence. I look forward to arriving in Yanitaria.

Sincerly,
Mark Velo
Mark Velo
Uachtarán na Cináedann

We heartily welcome our neighbors from the west! Kenny's commitment to peace is reknown through out Europa Atlantica, and we know that your contribution to the peace conference will help use move toward the Atlantican ideals of peace and prosperity.

Sincerely,
President Frederick Norheim

Soviet Aissur

07-03-2008, 17:26

OOC: When will this begin?

Yanitaria

07-03-2008, 20:14

OOC: Waiting on NP's glacial pace.

Calizorinstan

07-03-2008, 20:49

Yanitaria

07-03-2008, 22:51

To: The USSY
From: President Barry Macked

I, and my Vice President John Arnold, who is in fact the former president of Calizorinstan, shall be attending this conference. We believe that regardless of political ideology, we should all try and work together,

Signed
President Barry Macked
Calizorinstan

To President Barry Macked,

We congratulate your enlightened view of the situation, and hope that all other attendees share it.

Sincerely,
President Frederick Norheim

Nova Pictavia

07-03-2008, 23:18

OOC: Basically I don't think I have the time for this, especially if it's just gunna brake down into another OOC argument. Consider this a temporary stance that may be revised. ATM, its a very "leave us alone and everything will be fine" stance.http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Retro_1989/ImperialSealUpload.png
Official Diplomatic Communiqué
The Imperial Republic of New Pictavia
Encryption: Open Declaration
To: All participating parties.
Subject: New Pictavia's representation.
Date: 07/03/2008

Message: New Pictavia, under my authority, will not commit to this summit at this very moment in time. Perhaps at a later date our stance will come under revision, and a valid reason to attend may be recognized by ourselves, however we aim to maintain our perogative free of NOP affairs in order to further develop our bonds and relations between fellow AU members states before that of the NOP.

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Regards,
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Gaius Kadesh, Consul of New Pictavia,
Councillor of The Silver Imperium.

Akimonad

08-03-2008, 03:53

Killarney Sovereign Base Area

"Look at this, Admiral." someone said.

Admiral Fawkes turned around and looked at his superior, Fleet Admiral Davis, holding a sheet of paper. Fawkes took it and read it.

"A conference? For EA?" he asked. "Precisely," the Fleet Admiral said. "I don't suppose we can go; we're not really in the EA..." Fawkes said, trailing off.

"Perhaps not," Davis said, "but we have a presence here, and we'll be using it."

"Huh? Whaddaya mean?"

"Cyprus. That little island near Hectonia and Yanitaria. Unclaimed. Near, quite fortunately, the conference." Davis said.

"But we're not going to the conference... and what's this about Cyprus?" Fawkes asked, a bit fazed.

"We'll be taking it, under the guise of observing the conference."

"So... we're sending a CVBG in... to "observe" the conference... while we really take Cyprus?"

"Precisely. I have orders from the Lord Protector myself. Get everything prepared, the battlegroup needs to depart ASAP."

*****
A few days later

With the carrier battlegroup having now been fully loaded and prepared, the final few personnel filed onto the ships. The large Hiryu-class carrier overshadowed the docks.

Slowly the shadow began moving, and the carrier was backed out slowly. The fleet was on its way.

Morgiland

08-03-2008, 03:57

Corbournne

08-03-2008, 04:00

(Does Cyprus belong to an EA nation? If not, it can't be invaded.)

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

08-03-2008, 04:44

((OOC: Aki, why not just ask if you can join the conference. If Orbath can attend why not you?

And yes, Cyprus is unclaimed therefore non-invaidable. Sorry Picts' rules.))

Miamoria

08-03-2008, 04:56

Yanitaria

08-03-2008, 14:09

Snip

((OOC: Aki, why not just ask if you can join the conference. If Orbath can attend why not you?

And yes, Cyprus is unclaimed therefore non-invaidable. Sorry Picts' rules.))

OOC: Yeah, you can't invade the unclaimed island of Cyprus, those were the rules of the EA thread. However, I would have no problem allowing you into the conference, since your nation is tied to EA through NP. Of course we wouldn't let you sail your carrier up to the Island, but if you wanted to take, say, a plane, then you're welcome to attend.

Dutch, even though I don't oppose Aki coming to the conference (after all, a peace conference is not the time to be hostile), Orbath is a full member of the NOP, while Aki is just a supporter of the AU. That's why Orbath was invited right off the bat.

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I will be attending the conference. Thank you for the invatation hopefully we will make some progress on the matter. I will look forward to seeing you at the event.

Sincerely

HIMH
Emperor Miamorga
By the Grace of God, Of Miamoria and East Ireland, Emperor, Keeper of the faith defender of the people

To Emperor Miamorga,

I welcome you to the conference, as I too hope for progress.

Sincerely,
President Frederick Norheim.

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(OOC: I am starting the conference, assuming that all delegates made it on time. I would also like to skip the long line of posts where the leaders meet and shake hands, so unless anyone objects, I'll save that for the end.

Aki, if you want to come, just assume that whoever you sent is there.)

Eravia, Eastern Anatolian Province, Yanitaria

Gendarmes from all over Yanitaria stood outside the conference building, an ancient historical villa at the top of a hill overlooking the town of Eravia, and the ocean. From the villa, one could see the Eravian Solaris, who's large area took up an entire half of the small town.

Much could have been learned from a brief stroll of the town. On the one hand, there was the small, modest Yanitarii and Kabo-Afrikan section of the town, alive with music, and sound. One could not turn a corner with out running into a free concert, a poetry reading, or perhaps a spirited debate among perfect strangers.

However, as one crossed the line, aptly separated by the main street, one noticed that the surroundings grew nearly silent. Except for the purrs of Orbathian luxury cars as they ran down the main street, and the occasional conversation carried on in french by a group of Arkadian youths, the nicer part of town was ghostly quiet.

Despite the utter lack of any aural stimulation, the Arkadian section of town, which blended into the Solaris compound, with which it shared many stores, and entertainment opportunities, there were plenty of people around. Rich tourists from around the world, and from around Yanitaria took walks in the sun, or went to the secluded beaches. There was even a busy marina from which small boats set sail to visit the surrounding islands.

Frederick Norheim tore his gaze away from the window, and straightened his tie. The sunlight from the window illuminated his youthful face, and glinted off of the lapel pin on his jacket.

His body guard knocked on the door, and opened it, "Oi, we're about ready to start. Hurry it up."

Fred smiled, and flicked the young marine off. "Va te faire enculer. I know what I am doing."

The guard laughed, and then quipped, "Do I look like I am wearing a police uniform?"

Frederick stepped into the hall, and the body guard followed as he climbed down the stairs. He stopped at the door leading into the conference room, and patted his employer and friend on the back.

"If anything happens, I'll be right behind the panel." With that, he stepped into a side door, which led to a surveillance room. There, the unit of body guards, and four policemen, all armed with assault rifles would watch the meeting, and ensure that nobody decided to pull their weapon out in the room full of world leaders.

Frederick waited until the body guard closed the side door, before opening the double doors in front of him. The large windows of the conference room provided ample lighting for the Summit, and gave a pretty view of the reflection pool in the back garden, and the olive trees beyond that. Past the olive trees, one could clearly see the town of Eravia, and the oceans beyond.

President Norheim nodded to the attendees, who had been seated, and given name plaques. In front of every delegate was a wine glass and a bottle of vintage Yanitarian-Errikan wine which had been made somewhere on the island.

Also, a small touch screen computer, with a stylus and keyboard had been placed before each important person. These computers could be used to take notes, and the given speaker could call up documents and maps on everyone else's computer.

Norheim sat down at his chair, and cleared his throat. He looked at every man sitting around the large, "O" shaped table, before finally speaking.

"Thank you all for coming here today, and I thank you not only on my behalf, but on the behalf of all Yanitarians. Every one of us here is committed to peace, and hopefully, after today, the bad blood between the Atlantican Union and the New Oslo Pact will be cleared.

"If there are no objections, I would like to keep this an informal meeting. There is no need for us to be cold and impersonal when what we are here to do is bring our nations closer," Fred flashed an easy-going smile to the delegates, one that conveyed trust and sincerity. "But before we begin, does anyone want to say anything?"

Miamoria

08-03-2008, 14:56

Yanitaria

08-03-2008, 15:09

Miamorga listened intently to the president's speech, " Thank you for inviting me to this meeting. I hope by the end of this meeting we will have things sorted out and release any former and present tentions between us. I hope no one will stoop to the level of getting violent."

President Norheim smiled again, "I assure you, the NOP holds no animosity towards Miamoria, or, indeed, most of the AU nations. I cannot speak for any other member nations, but the few AU nations I find distasteful have refused or ignored the Summit."

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

08-03-2008, 15:12

Yanitaria

08-03-2008, 15:19

The King thought that the speech was quite apt for the beginning of such a conference. It was a shame that more AU Head of States couldn't attend the meeting. Perhaps tensions were too strained between the alliances afterall. The AU had been in the works first although when the Srait of Gibraltar was being settled chances of war were high and if the NOP hadn't been created war over the strait would probably have been imminent. Then Willem spoke up, " Yes, I hope - even with a lot of the EA states missing and a couple states from out of the EA - we can ease tensions. May I upload my various maps and documents to the little apparently touch-screen computer?" The man took out a computer of Dutch PC design in royal orange and pulled out an uplink cable with a USB plug in at either end, "It does have a Universal Serial Bus port, correct?"

"Yes, so long as the states unwilling to attend the summit remain in the minority, peace in Europa Atlantica is a very real possibility.

"Universal Serial Bus port 2.0, yes. Actually, before you continue, I should mention to everyone, if you have any files that need to be put on the computers, you can use a flash drive, an uplink cable, or, if you have a personal computer with a wireless card, you can simply connect to the network and transfer your files to the shared folder. We've put that folder in the 'U:' drive. From there, you can pull up those files on all of the computers that we've set up for you during your speech."

Calizorinstan

08-03-2008, 23:17

"Yes, so long as the states unwilling to attend the summit remain in the minority, peace in Europa Atlantica is a very real possibility.

"Universal Serial Bus port 2.0, yes. Actually, before you continue, I should mention to everyone, if you have any files that need to be put on the computers, you can use a flash drive, an uplink cable, or, if you have a personal computer with a wireless card, you can simply connect to the network and transfer your files to the shared folder. We've put that folder in the 'U:' drive. From there, you can pull up those files on all of the computers that we've set up for you during your speech."

The Vice President, John Arnold spoke up "I've got my Dell M1530 laptop with wireless, and I have some folders that I wish to share. They're presentations on how we're already working together with some of the members within and outside the Atlantican Union.." He reached down, and booted the M1530, and he pulled up the presentations from within Linux and transferred his files to the shared folder.

He said "We're already using the shared currency, the alta, with Benelux, which has greatly helped tourists going back and forth between our two nations, and we suggest that maybe adopting a standard currency for the whole region might be the thing."

Yanitaria

09-03-2008, 00:09

The Vice President, John Arnold spoke up "I've got my Dell M1530 laptop with wireless, and I have some folders that I wish to share. They're presentations on how we're already working together with some of the members within and outside the Atlantican Union.." He reached down, and booted the M1530, and he pulled up the presentations from within Linux and transferred his files to the shared folder.

He said "We're already using the shared currency, the alta, with Benelux, which has greatly helped tourists going back and forth between our two nations, and we suggest that maybe adopting a standard currency for the whole region might be the thing."

"Calzorinstan has indeed worked with nations both in and outside the region. It wasn't so long ago, I recall, that we sold you a number of exceedingly large ships.

"If you'd like to show you presentations, I suppose that would be a good way to start the Summit."

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09-03-2008, 00:45

Calizorinstan

09-03-2008, 00:48

"Calzorinstan has indeed worked with nations both in and outside the region. It wasn't so long ago, I recall, that we sold you a number of exceedingly large ships.

"If you'd like to show you presentations, I suppose that would be a good way to start the Summit."

John nodded, and the presentation was soon in full view of the attendees, and he started "This is the region of Europa Atlantica, and I'm going to explain firstly how we've been working together in-region. Firstly, we've bought twelve battleships from Yanitaria, thus we've bought our fellow regionmates products, and I think we've bought a couple of things from a few others."

"The next thing I want to mention, is the fact that we are in the process of integrating our currency with our western neighbor, Benelux, and we're reprinting the tender to say.." He brought up the picture of the new atla currency, coin and paper, that read "Tender good for Calizorinstan and Benelux" He continued "So, it'll make it easier for citizens of both nations to travel to each others countries, so for average Cali Joe, he won't have to convert his currency into Beneluxian money, instead, he'll just use his own, new currency. It'll roughly be the standard in a year or two, it'll take that long to distribute them fully."

"Next, I wish to discuss of expanding this "One Currency" program to other nations, that would be willing. That way, inter-region travel would be made so much simpler, that I would expect actually an increase of inter-regional travel. I mean, it's just fine right now, but wouldn't you all like an increase of citizens from other parts of the region to visit your nation? I believe this will do it."

He continued "Also, we propose that there should be a mobile banking program between all nations, that relates to the "One Currency" program, so that citizens could access their bank account from another nation, that's say in Calizorinstan, if they wanted to."

John coughed and continued "We are also working together on inter-regional travel between our nations, such as railroad lines, and I propose an inter-regional monorail system, with one price, that a citizen from say Binaria could ride the monorail to Benelux, and then get off if he wished. Or, he could continue on to Calizorinstan. This is just a sample route.." The slide went next to a proposed monorail route that went from Benelux-Calizorinstan-No Taxes and back to Benelux. He said "Well, this is, if this inter-regional monorail is improved, the first route that we are going to put up, and then we'll connect the other routes to this one, to the main station in San Diego."

"Now, the monorail is more efficient then a car, and it'll reduce the pollution factor in all nations."

John looked around and he said "What does everyone think of our ideas? I've been working on this with the President and the ambassador from Benelux.."

Stoklomolvi

09-03-2008, 01:25

Commissar Alexei Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich of Stoklomolvi
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Alexei stood and pulled out his sabre. He took a cloth and began to wipe the blade.

"A regional currency would improve international trade, though we must say that in doing so we are reducing our nation's culture by using one currency. It is much too uniform. If we do use a regional currency, however, I would suggest using a currency that would have a positive connotation to all nations. The term "Atla" is much to affiliated with Nova Pictavia, in our opinion.

"Now, you may wonder, why is that significant? Why, you ask? This is because the Pictavians suggested that they remove me from office for not protecting the environment! Is this reasonable, I ask you now? For a regional currency, I would suggest a very generic term, such as "The Currency". There would be no confusion then; Atla can mean different things to different people. In anarchist nations, however, they may keep what they will, for there will be little organisation there in the first place."

Alexei put the sword away.

"On the note of Stoklo-Binarian relations, the only reason Stoklomolvi acted the way that it did was due to actions by Binaria itself. Binaria threatened Yanitaria, one of our allies, and we could not stand for such actions. As such, we deported all Binarian citizens any way possible. Should Binaria apologise to Yanitaria and Yanitaria apologise to Binaria for past actions, then tensions between Binaria and Stoklomolvi would end as well.

"I have a suggestion to make. A very bold one, but a suggestion nonetheless. The west considers the NOP to be the "Red Bloc"; that is, one consisting of communist and socialist nations. Now, this is not true in any way, shape, or form. Previously, the Beatus was a member, and currently the House of Boothby and Amboss are members. None of these nations are communist nor socialist.

"AU, on the other hand, can be considered "The Coalition"; capitalist nations that are bent on destroying communism. Now, this will never work. Capitalism will always have communism imbued into some people, and communist nations will always have capitalism imbued into others. If your nation has any form of welfare programme, then your nation is not capitalist. If your nation allows private property, then your nation is not communist.

"The Communist Dominion of Stoklomolvi is a misnomer. It would more likely be named the Benevolent Socialist Dictatorship of Stoklomolvi, for that is what it truly is; I am a benevolent dictator, and I am here for the people. Complete communism, my friends, is impossible. However, Stoklomolvi seeks to reach as close as possible to this intended goal.

"Complete capitalism is just as impossible. Workers will always be unhappy with their jobs if they can find better ones, and the impoverished will always rise in numbers should there be no welfare.

"My suggestion is this: the merging of the Atlantican Union and the New Oslo Pact into a single entity. This entity will then be named the United Nations of Europa Atlantica, or UNEA."

Alexei sat down, and pulled a bottle of water from his coat. He pulled off the cap and drank.

Calizorinstan

09-03-2008, 01:49

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John stood up to his full height, and said "I understand your concerns Commissar, that is why I asked about any concerns regarding the "The Currency", and Commissar, I share your views on merging the NOP and the AU, though I fear several will disagree, but if that fails, then we must keep trying to persuade them that that is the only way to true peace."

"Also, keep in mind that while our nation seems like a democracy, it's really in truth a benevolent dictatorship, except the dictators seem to be elected. I was a benevolent dictator for eight years then President Macked here, was elected. So, it maintains the fascia of a democratic state, but is in heart a benevolent dictatorship, which is vastly preferred over other.. alternatives."

"Now, we harbor no ill will towards any of the nations within the NOP or the EU, that is why it is an easy decision for us to make. Let us hope that the rest of the delegations will see the light. Also, we need to ensure that this "United Nations of Europa Atlantica" don't go the way of a "League of Nations" and fail on the first try. We need participation here, and we shouldn't just talk, but act!"

"Now, talking is all well and good, but we need to act here, not just say we're acting and extending a three month deadline, but really act here. That is one of my pet peeves with this sort of thing."

Nova Pictavia

09-03-2008, 02:05

OOC: This isn't about the AU superficially winning over the NOP or anything, I just really, strangely seem to like the name "Atlantican Union" and would love it if the name continued to serve as a mediator alliance regardless if it will be completely different from the former. Does that make sense?Also, I'm sure you know that it is New Pictavia and Pictish by now, and Amboss looks very Red to me...

Eógan Sol had too much work. In reality, he tended to the vast majority of foreign relations, his official title being High "Councillor of Extra-Imperial Communications". In a world such as this foreign relations were everything, and the Consul could not be expected to represent New Pictavia alone. Thus, Eógan arrived in the representation of his Imperial grace. The Pictish party arrived as such, completely unannounced and contradictory to their isolationist policy, with the diplomat and two unarmed personnel standing in the doorway.

"I second the Commissar to a certain extend. I motion that the Atlantican Union be made open to all members of Europa Atlantica, regardless of alliance, politik or location. As each member carries an equal vote all who join carry an equal voice in amending the charter to something more appropriate, thus our interests can be best served. Of course, the Union is completely democratic and I hold no authority over my other members, so this movement is also up to them.

"I must add, however, that the Commissar cannot attempt to wash his hands of anything Pictish if we are to be allied. It would simply be impractical, and we advocate that this conference will not advance whatsoever if the anger of past events are grasped on to with such determination. Finally, the Atla originates in Benelux, I believe, not Pictavia."

Eógan stood for a moment, looked around the room, then took up a seat amongst his fellow Atlanticans.

----Kenny----

09-03-2008, 02:08

President Velo spoke first regarding the "One Currency" idea

"Whilst the Republic is utterly against adopting another currency, I would like to hear more on this "mobile banking" idea."

Kirav

09-03-2008, 02:24

TG for Pictavia!

Calizorinstan

09-03-2008, 02:25

President Velo spoke first regarding the "One Currency" idea

"Whilst the Republic is utterly against adopting another currency, I would like to hear more on this "mobile banking" idea."

John stood up and he said as the presentation changed to the mobile banking slide "This mobile banking idea, it would let users access their money from their bank, regardless of where they are, say you're in my nation, Calizorinstan for instance. You realize you're out of money, and you type in your personal info into a secure site on your cell phone, PDA whatever. Then the money will go into your cell phone, and with a unique barcode, you could for instance; use the cell phone at a market, show the cashier the barcode, he'd scan it, and the money would go from the bank, to the store, and voila! You have money on your mobile."

He said "Security concerns, well, we plan to password protect the account, and you can choose your password, so that if someone steals the cell phone or electronic device in question, they could not use the money, and a barcode will pop up and "Invalid" will be across the screen, meaning that if the thief tried to purchase something with it, it would send a call to the police, or a text, or an email, the precise GPS location of the thief, and send updates on the thief's location."

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

09-03-2008, 02:29

The King listened intently before speaking up, "Vice-President, while you may not be aware and it makes little difference, I am not a President but a King. A variety of King which has been all but abolished. I too have new currency designs - those printed in 2008 of my father's designs will most likely become scarce due to his death so early in the year," Willem VI showed his designs.

"Commissar, the Councillor is correct; the term Atla originated in my country and spread to Calizorinstan soon. I do believe there were once talks of sharing a currency for I know Nova Pictavia, Oily Prata, Yanitaria and I think thee may be a couple more countries who use the term. As it is used by members of both blocs I believe the name to be relatively neutral.

"I also assure you that I only spend money on grants to businesses, law enforcement, the Koninklijk Armed Forces and the royal and noble families. Yes, we are a capitalist nation through and through I'm sure you'll find. As for a region-wide alliance - I believe the League of Nations comparison is quite apt because the AU and NOP have polarized the region a large amount. Not to mention the fact that it won't be region wide if not every nation has sent a delegate. It will just create a third alliance overlapping the other two in my opinion.

"As for a mobile banking idea, I think that it wouldn't work very well because different people use different banks. I know in my Koninkrijk that there are atleast three different banks - Royal Dutch Bank, Orange Lion Bank and Bank der Rotterdam - and those are only the most popular. Perhaps we could encourage banks to set up branches in other countries. I endorse the Royal Dutch Bank for they have to ask me for permission to use Royal and I'm sure Bank der Rotterdam would also like to open up branches in foreign markets. Another alternative is to make ATM's compatable with banks from throughout the region," the man dressed in one of his many orange suits finished and listened to what the others had to say.

Stoklomolvi

09-03-2008, 02:37

Commissar Alexei Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich of Stoklomolvi
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Upon seeing the Pictish man, Alexei immediately stood up and drew his sabre. He pointed it at the man, but then a cog clicked in his mind and he sheathed his sword and sat down. He sighed.

"The UNITED NATIONS of Europa Atlantica shall not fall like a pitiful 'Leage of Nations' that did not have support of the one who created it. The UNEA shall stand the test of time as long as this region lives. I personally dislike the name 'Atlantican Union' in that it reminds me of a troubled past, which we must forget and leave behind.

"The Banking Republic would surely favour gaining more customers since people could travel to ----Kenny---- to purchase cheap products and constantly extract money from their budgets from another country? Their purchasing power would be greatly increased, and your nation would benefit from such a venture. For the sakes of promoting regional cooperation and prosperity, I urge you to approve."

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

09-03-2008, 02:50

"Councillor, please, listen to what the other NOP members have to say about peace. I do believe that the Stoklomolvi delegate most likely would feel as if the NOP bowed down to us should we use the name the Atlantican Union. I for one will not join any United Nations of Europa Atlantica unless it truly is signed by every other state on the landmass," the former Grand Duke tried to reason.

Nova Pictavia

09-03-2008, 02:54

Eógan calmly sat, and continued to speak after the Commissar's charade.

"As you know, the prospect of the Atlantican Union was discussed well before the New Oslo Pact was signed, and delivers us towards a past filled with relative tranquillity and cooperation. Personal dislikes over mere associations should not come between the peace of our states, especially when you were not even aware that the Atla used by Pictavia is also used by your greatest ally. After all, "names" are the least important aspect of this meet and can be discussed if and once agreements are made"

Eógan then stood, and walked towards the door with which he had previously just entered.

"However if I am to be threatened by sword for speaking words of peace or cooperation, I know all that I need to inform my superiors of the NOP's intentions. Pictavia has extended the olive branch, and it has been clearly rejected"

The Picts waited at the door for but a moment to see if anyone had anything to say to entice them to remain.

----Kenny----

09-03-2008, 02:57

"The Banking Republic would surely favour gaining more customers since people could travel to ----Kenny---- to purchase cheap products and constantly extract money from their budgets from another country? Their purchasing power would be greatly increased, and your nation would benefit from such a venture. For the sakes of promoting regional cooperation and prosperity, I urge you to approve."

"I'm not entirely sure what you mean i'm afraid. Foreigners can still have their money exchanged at any Kennyian Bank. We do have a system of inter-bank transfers of Funds, but it only works because they are all members of the Intranational Banking Syndicate and all use the Munny (Mμ). This would be further complicated by the various currencies used by all Atlantican nations

Stoklomolvi

09-03-2008, 03:03

Commissar Alexei Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich of Stoklomolvi
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"I am not a delegate of Stoklomolvi. I am the LEADER of Stoklomolvi. Stoklomolvi heeds to no 'olive branch' if we are to be submissive and merge with an alliance that shows no compromise even in name. The Atla was used during the tranquil times before the Utopian Commonwealth incident. I was even considering it, but the moment you suggested that I give up my position as Commissar I immediately shunned all Pictish peoples from then on. Who are you to control Stoklomolvi affairs? I would much rather prefer Gaius Kadesh himself appear before this meeting."

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

09-03-2008, 03:06

"Mr. Velo, I do believe the intent was that with one currency mobile banking would be a snap and so a landmass-wide currency would have to be a prerequisite to the mobile banking idea. That is why he mentioned our shared currency before the mobile banking," HRMH explained before turning to the commisar.

"I apologize fir not realising that you were the leader of your country. Your demeanour lead me to think otherwise and again, I am sorry. While I cannot apologize for Pictish behaviour towards you, I can understand why there would have been an incident with such a Great Enviromentalist (Green, lol) alliance as I have observed enviromental policies in several nations and notice how yours places economy over enviroment, which I personally find to be a better attitude than vice versa."

Nova Pictavia

09-03-2008, 03:28

OOC: Stok, I believe there has been a misunderstanding: throwing your leader out of power wasn't in-character. The suggestion was made OOC hence their being no speech marks around it in the UC thread like the rest of the IC chatter. When I say the thread is mostly semi-IC I mean it is an OOC discussion from an IC perspective. It technically never happened, as the last sentence would indicate: "we hope that good relations continue between our peoples into the future and effort is taken to ensure the continuation of diplomatic dialogue". If we wanted to depose your leader, we wouldn't have been so hospitable.
Also, as Dutchy has said the Atla is already being used by nations from both alliances even before Pictavia adopted it, and I only stated OOCly that the AU be used as the name. ICly, I just addressed other AU members that we should accept anyone into the alliance.

Corbournne

09-03-2008, 03:32

Premier Gaétan-Jean Sébastien Lefebvre Pépin of Corbournne
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Premier Lefebvre, who had heretofore remained silent throughout the Summit, proceeded to rise and speak. For his figure, he had a surprisingly deep, booming voice. "Gentlemen! Control yourselves, you are at least ten years my senior, yet you act at least twenty years my junior." He paused, regaining his composure. "This Summit was called for to spread peace throughout Europa Atlantica, not to sow the seeds of war into each other's minds."

"Now, if I recall correctly, the pressing discussion referred to the Dutch suggestions of a Pan-Atlantican currency and bank system. If that is so, then I see it fit to profess Corbournne's opinions on the matters. We would agree to the idea of as common currency, so long as each nation can "customize" it, with perhaps a famous leader, marshal, writer, or scientist from our past. The circulation of it could spread cultural awareness throughout our continent, or, if there was a controversial figure on it, it could easily be exchanged for at the bank. When it comes to the bank system, it could work out, but Corbournne would only agree to it under the stipulation that there was a way to keep all the banking corporations we have."

"In regards to the "name" of a proposed Atlantican Union-New Oslo Pact, the Armed Federal Republic of Corbournne would prefer that it be neutral, showing preference to neither alliance. In regards to the currency's "name," I think that something all-encompassing such as "The Currency" should be used, as it, too, knows no enemies or friends." Ending his part of the conversation, the Premier of Corbournne retook his seat, crossed his legs, and waited for another leader to speak.

Yanitaria

09-03-2008, 07:48

OOC: sorry i took so long.

IC:

indentThe Binarian Ambassador, Bret Olsen, stood and spoke. "We thank you for allowing us to come to summit. I hope our presence will ease tension between our Binarian and the NOP, particularly Stoklomolvi, who has laws in place that would have any Binarians killed on entry to Stoklomolvi. This deeply concerns the people of my country." He paused for a moment. "Although we have a similar policy with your country, although with far less serious consequences, we ask that they revoke these laws and we will do the same." He sat down.

Norheim, said "Yanitaria will revoke the deportation policies immediately

John nodded, and the presentation was soon in full view of the attendees, and he started "This is the region of Europa Atlantica, and I'm going to explain firstly how we've been working together in-region. Firstly, we've bought twelve battleships from Yanitaria, thus we've bought our fellow regionmates products, and I think we've bought a couple of things from a few others."

"The next thing I want to mention, is the fact that we are in the process of integrating our currency with our western neighbor, Benelux, and we're reprinting the tender to say.." He brought up the picture of the new atla currency, coin and paper, that read "Tender good for Calizorinstan and Benelux" He continued "So, it'll make it easier for citizens of both nations to travel to each others countries, so for average Cali Joe, he won't have to convert his currency into Beneluxian money, instead, he'll just use his own, new currency. It'll roughly be the standard in a year or two, it'll take that long to distribute them fully."

"Next, I wish to discuss of expanding this "One Currency" program to other nations, that would be willing. That way, inter-region travel would be made so much simpler, that I would expect actually an increase of inter-regional travel. I mean, it's just fine right now, but wouldn't you all like an increase of citizens from other parts of the region to visit your nation? I believe this will do it."

He continued "Also, we propose that there should be a mobile banking program between all nations, that relates to the "One Currency" program, so that citizens could access their bank account from another nation, that's say in Calizorinstan, if they wanted to."

John coughed and continued "We are also working together on inter-regional travel between our nations, such as railroad lines, and I propose an inter-regional monorail system, with one price, that a citizen from say Binaria could ride the monorail to Benelux, and then get off if he wished. Or, he could continue on to Calizorinstan. This is just a sample route.." The slide went next to a proposed monorail route that went from Benelux-Calizorinstan-No Taxes and back to Benelux. He said "Well, this is, if this inter-regional monorail is improved, the first route that we are going to put up, and then we'll connect the other routes to this one, to the main station in San Diego."

"Now, the monorail is more efficient then a car, and it'll reduce the pollution factor in all nations."

John looked around and he said "What does everyone think of our ideas? I've been working on this with the President and the ambassador from Benelux.."

"Yanitaria has as extensive monorail and train system, so much so, that very few citizens drive cars, except on the islands."

Commissar Alexei Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich of Stoklomolvi
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Alexei stood and pulled out his sabre. He took a cloth and began to wipe the blade.

"A regional currency would improve international trade, though we must say that in doing so we are reducing our nation's culture by using one currency. It is much too uniform. If we do use a regional currency, however, I would suggest using a currency that would have a positive connotation to all nations. The term "Atla" is much to affiliated with Nova Pictavia, in our opinion.

"Now, you may wonder, why is that significant? Why, you ask? This is because the Pictavians suggested that they remove me from office for not protecting the environment! Is this reasonable, I ask you now? For a regional currency, I would suggest a very generic term, such as "The Currency". There would be no confusion then; Atla can mean different things to different people. In anarchist nations, however, they may keep what they will, for there will be little organisation there in the first place."

Alexei put the sword away.

"On the note of Stoklo-Binarian relations, the only reason Stoklomolvi acted the way that it did was due to actions by Binaria itself. Binaria threatened Yanitaria, one of our allies, and we could not stand for such actions. As such, we deported all Binarian citizens any way possible. Should Binaria apologise to Yanitaria and Yanitaria apologise to Binaria for past actions, then tensions between Binaria and Stoklomolvi would end as well.

"I have a suggestion to make. A very bold one, but a suggestion nonetheless. The west considers the NOP to be the "Red Bloc"; that is, one consisting of communist and socialist nations. Now, this is not true in any way, shape, or form. Previously, the Beatus was a member, and currently the House of Boothby and Amboss are members. None of these nations are communist nor socialist.

"AU, on the other hand, can be considered "The Coalition"; capitalist nations that are bent on destroying communism. Now, this will never work. Capitalism will always have communism imbued into some people, and communist nations will always have capitalism imbued into others. If your nation has any form of welfare programme, then your nation is not capitalist. If your nation allows private property, then your nation is not communist.

"The Communist Dominion of Stoklomolvi is a misnomer. It would more likely be named the Benevolent Socialist Dictatorship of Stoklomolvi, for that is what it truly is; I am a benevolent dictator, and I am here for the people. Complete communism, my friends, is impossible. However, Stoklomolvi seeks to reach as close as possible to this intended goal.

"Complete capitalism is just as impossible. Workers will always be unhappy with their jobs if they can find better ones, and the impoverished will always rise in numbers should there be no welfare.

"My suggestion is this: the merging of the Atlantican Union and the New Oslo Pact into a single entity. This entity will then be named the United Nations of Europa Atlantica, or UNEA."

Alexei sat down, and pulled a bottle of water from his coat. He pulled off the cap and drank.

"I would support the merging of both alliances in order to provide for the common good of the region. Although I would like to name the currency something less bland."

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John stood up to his full height, and said "I understand your concerns Commissar, that is why I asked about any concerns regarding the "The Currency", and Commissar, I share your views on merging the NOP and the AU, though I fear several will disagree, but if that fails, then we must keep trying to persuade them that that is the only way to true peace."

"Also, keep in mind that while our nation seems like a democracy, it's really in truth a benevolent dictatorship, except the dictators seem to be elected. I was a benevolent dictator for eight years then President Macked here, was elected. So, it maintains the fascia of a democratic state, but is in heart a benevolent dictatorship, which is vastly preferred over other.. alternatives."

"Now, we harbor no ill will towards any of the nations within the NOP or the EU, that is why it is an easy decision for us to make. Let us hope that the rest of the delegations will see the light. Also, we need to ensure that this "United Nations of Europa Atlantica" don't go the way of a "League of Nations" and fail on the first try. We need participation here, and we shouldn't just talk, but act!"

"Now, talking is all well and good, but we need to act here, not just say we're acting and extending a three month deadline, but really act here. That is one of my pet peeves with this sort of thing."

"Indeed, all of us must act together, on a united front."

OOC: This isn't about the AU superficially winning over the NOP or anything, I just really, strangely seem to like the name "Atlantican Union" and would love it if the name continued to serve as a mediator alliance regardless if it will be completely different from the former. Does that make sense?Also, I'm sure you know that it is New Pictavia and Pictish by now, and Amboss looks very Red to me...

Eógan Sol had too much work. In reality, he tended to the vast majority of foreign relations, his official title being High "Councillor of Extra-Imperial Communications". In a world such as this foreign relations were everything, and the Consul could not be expected to represent New Pictavia alone. Thus, Eógan arrived in the representation of his Imperial grace. The Pictish party arrived as such, completely unannounced and contradictory to their isolationist policy, with the diplomat and two unarmed personnel standing in the doorway.

"I second the Commissar to a certain extend. I motion that the Atlantican Union be made open to all members of Europa Atlantica, regardless of alliance, politik or location. As each member carries an equal vote all who join carry an equal voice in amending the charter to something more appropriate, thus our interests can be best served. Of course, the Union is completely democratic and I hold no authority over my other members, so this movement is also up to them.

"I must add, however, that the Commissar cannot attempt to wash his hands of anything Pictish if we are to be allied. It would simply be impractical, and we advocate that this conference will not advance whatsoever if the anger of past events are grasped on to with such determination. Finally, the Atla originates in Benelux, I believe, not Pictavia."

Eógan stood for a moment, looked around the room, then took up a seat amongst his fellow Atlanticans.

OOC: You wouldn't have been able to reach the Summit unannounced, nor would you have made it past with out at least a strip search. But for the sake of the RP, I'll leave it alone.

IC: "I would rather a third alliance be created, so as not to show bias towards one or the other. This way neither alliance symbolicly wins, and no nation can hold a grudge.

"And by the way, I thank you for taking the time to attend the Summit."

The King listened intently before speaking up, "Vice-President, while you may not be aware and it makes little difference, I am not a President but a King. A variety of King which has been all but abolished. I too have new currency designs - those printed in 2008 of my father's designs will most likely become scarce due to his death so early in the year," Willem VI showed his designs.

"Commissar, the Councillor is correct; the term Atla originated in my country and spread to Calizorinstan soon. I do believe there were once talks of sharing a currency for I know Nova Pictavia, Oily Prata, Yanitaria and I think thee may be a couple more countries who use the term. As it is used by members of both blocs I believe the name to be relatively neutral.

"I also assure you that I only spend money on grants to businesses, law enforcement, the Koninklijk Armed Forces and the royal and noble families. Yes, we are a capitalist nation through and through I'm sure you'll find. As for a region-wide alliance - I believe the League of Nations comparison is quite apt because the AU and NOP have polarized the region a large amount. Not to mention the fact that it won't be region wide if not every nation has sent a delegate. It will just create a third alliance overlapping the other two in my opinion.

"As for a mobile banking idea, I think that it wouldn't work very well because different people use different banks. I know in my Koninkrijk that there are atleast three different banks - Royal Dutch Bank, Orange Lion Bank and Bank der Rotterdam - and those are only the most popular. Perhaps we could encourage banks to set up branches in other countries. I endorse the Royal Dutch Bank for they have to ask me for permission to use Royal and I'm sure Bank der Rotterdam would also like to open up branches in foreign markets. Another alternative is to make ATM's compatable with banks from throughout the region," the man dressed in one of his many orange suits finished and listened to what the others had to say.

OOC: Guys, banks already do this, they set up partner ships with other major banks on foreign lands. Unless you want to have the government force these partnerships between banks large and small.

IC: "The League of Nations comparison does not apply so long as everyone here is committed to peace."

Commissar Alexei Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich of Stoklomolvi
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Upon seeing the Pictish man, Alexei immediately stood up and drew his sabre. He pointed it at the man, but then a cog clicked in his mind and he sheathed his sword and sat down. He sighed.

"The UNITED NATIONS of Europa Atlantica shall not fall like a pitiful 'Leage of Nations' that did not have support of the one who created it. The UNEA shall stand the test of time as long as this region lives. I personally dislike the name 'Atlantican Union' in that it reminds me of a troubled past, which we must forget and leave behind.

"The Banking Republic would surely favour gaining more customers since people could travel to ----Kenny---- to purchase cheap products and constantly extract money from their budgets from another country? Their purchasing power would be greatly increased, and your nation would benefit from such a venture. For the sakes of promoting regional cooperation and prosperity, I urge you to approve."

Norheim nearly pressed the panic button under the table, but when Alexei sheathed his sword, his hand moved away from it.

"Indeed, it would be in the Banking Republic's best interest to at least consider making the cosmetic and symbolic change."

"Councillor, please, listen to what the other NOP members have to say about peace. I do believe that the Stoklomolvi delegate most likely would feel as if the NOP bowed down to us should we use the name the Atlantican Union. I for one will not join any United Nations of Europa Atlantica unless it truly is signed by every other state on the landmass," the former Grand Duke tried to reason.

"I feel that it would be hard to get every state to join the alliance, so long as those who don't remain the vast minority, Europa Atlantica really has nothing to fear."

Eógan calmly sat, and continued to speak after the Commissar's charade.

"As you know, the prospect of the Atlantican Union was discussed well before the New Oslo Pact was signed, and delivers us towards a past filled with relative tranquillity and cooperation. Personal dislikes over mere associations should not come between the peace of our states, especially when you were not even aware that the Atla used by Pictavia is also used by your greatest ally. After all, "names" are the least important aspect of this meet and can be discussed if and once agreements are made"

Eógan then stood, and walked towards the door with which he had previously just entered.

"However if I am to be threatened by sword for speaking words of peace or cooperation, I know all that I need to inform my superiors of the NOP's intentions. Pictavia has extended the olive branch, and it has been clearly rejected"

The Picts waited at the door for but a moment to see if anyone had anything to say to entice them to remain.

"Sit down, Comrade Eógan, nobody is going to refuse the olive branch. Now if one more person draws a weapon in anger, I'll have them arrested and sent to the police department holding cells until they can learn to behave."

Commissar Alexei Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich of Stoklomolvi
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"I am not a delegate of Stoklomolvi. I am the LEADER of Stoklomolvi. Stoklomolvi heeds to no 'olive branch' if we are to be submissive and merge with an alliance that shows no compromise even in name. The Atla was used during the tranquil times before the Utopian Commonwealth incident. I was even considering it, but the moment you suggested that I give up my position as Commissar I immediately shunned all Pictish peoples from then on. Who are you to control Stoklomolvi affairs? I would much rather prefer Gaius Kadesh himself appear before this meeting."

"Calm down, Comrade, obviously the vast majority of us want to compromise. Comrade Eógan was simply suggesting it. Now is not the time to bicker and fight."

"Now, if I recall correctly, the pressing discussion referred to the Beneluxian(?) suggestions of a Pan-Atlantican currency and bank system. If that is so, then I see it fit to profess Corbournne's opinions on the matters. We would agree to the idea of as common currency, so long as each nation can "customize" it, with perhaps a famous leader, marshal, writer, or scientist from our past. The circulation of it could spread cultural awareness throughout our continent, or, if there was a controversial figure on it, it could easily be exchanged for at the bank. When it comes to the bank system, it could work out, but Corbournne would only agree to it under the stipulation that there was a way to keep all the banking corporations we have."

"I agree, it could only help our nations become closer."

Oily prata

09-03-2008, 09:23

OOC: Damn, you all went so far without me...

IC:

President Zeko was following this rapid cross-chat with all the understanding of a cockroach. He had been busy 'Appreciating' the bottle of fine Yanitarian wine, which mainly involved consuming copious amounts of it. He was beginning to think of opening a winery in Yanitaria after his retirement.

From what he understood, there had been a big fuss about the status of the Pact, which the AU considered 'Red'. Then there was the currency. And the swordfight. Then the name. He cleared his throat and began speaking.

"Greetings to all nations here. First of all, I would like to introduce myself as President Willheim Zeko of Norsikia," He shot a sly glance at the Beneluxian head at this. And from what I understand, I believe that a unified currency will be beneficial to all involved. I would like to point out that the Norsikian Atla is Atla only in name, not in form. Pictish or other Atla are not legal tender. However, this could change, facilitating greater regional tourism. On another note, we also possess a exstensive rail network, and are on the beginning plans on converting to MagLev."

Zeko poured himself a glass of wine, then continued, looking intently at the Binarian ambassador.

"There is another matter I would like to discuss, but I would not mind waiting for a more opportune time. Thank you."

Zeko sat down, the grip of this Diablo poking him quite hard in the stomach. Whatever pain he felt he immediately concealed by imbibing another glass of wine.

"Damn, this is good!"

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

09-03-2008, 13:57

OOC: It's Dutch not Beneluxian.

"Now, if I recall correctly, the pressing discussion referred to the Beneluxian(?) suggestions of a Pan-Atlantican currency and bank system. If that is so, then I see it fit to profess Corbournne's opinions on the matters. We would agree to the idea of as common currency, so long as each nation can "customize" it, with perhaps a famous leader, marshal, writer, or scientist from our past. The circulation of it could spread cultural awareness throughout our continent, or, if there was a controversial figure on it, it could easily be exchanged for at the bank. When it comes to the bank system, it could work out, but Corbournne would only agree to it under the stipulation that there was a way to keep all the banking corporations we have."

"No, actually it was the Calizorinstani VP, not I the Dutch King. Yes, it would make no sense to have common currency if we all have to agree what goes on both sides. Perhaps one side the same the other different? That way we will recognize the money from other countries as being legal but also recognze that it is from other countries.

"In regards to the "name" of a proposed Atlantican Union-New Oslo Pact, the Armed Federal Republic of Corbournne would prefer that it be neutral, showing preference to neither alliance. In regards to the currency's "name," I think that something all-encompassing such as "The Currency" should be used, as it, too, knows no enemies or friends." Ending his part of the conversation, the Premier of Corbournne retook his seat, crossed his legs, and waited for another leader to speak.

"Well, we need something we can all agree on yet 'The Currency' is quite bland.

"I would support the merging of both alliances in order to provide for the common good of the region. Although I would like to name the currency something less bland."

"I would rather a third alliance be created, so as not to show bias towards one or the other. This way neither alliance symbolicly wins, and no nation can hold a grudge.

"The League of Nations comparison does not apply so long as everyone here is committed to peace."

"I feel that it would be hard to get every state to join the alliance, so long as those who don't remain the vast minority, Europa Atlantica really has nothing to fear."

"Sit down, Comrade Eógan, nobody is going to refuse the olive branch. Now if one more person draws a weapon in anger, I'll have them arrested and sent to the police department holding cells until they can learn to behave."

"Yes, maybe we should take the first letter of each of our currencies and make a word from it? Does it not just create an alliance which overlaps the AU, the NOP and those who are neutral? Those who do not become part of the alliance are not bound by the alliance and members would still be binded by the NOP and the Treaty of Brussels. I would honestly not hold any important foreign official in a holding cell in case it starts some form of international incident. Although I must agree we shouldn't fight first ask questions later.

"Greetings to all nations here. First of all, I would like to introduce myself as President Willheim Zeko of Norsikia," He shot a sly glance at the Beneluxian head at this. And from what I understand, I believe that a unified currency will be beneficial to all involved. I would like to point out that the Norsikian Atla is Atla only in name, not in form. Pictish or other Atla are not legal tender. However, this could change, facilitating greater regional tourism. On another note, we also possess a exstensive rail network, and are on the beginning plans on converting to MagLev."

Zeko poured himself a glass of wine, then continued, looking intently at the Binarian ambassador.

"There is another matter I would like to discuss, but I would not mind waiting for a more opportune time. Thank you."

Zeko sat down, the grip of this Diablo poking him quite hard in the stomach. Whatever pain he felt he immediately concealed by imbibing another glass of wine.

"Damn, this is good!"

"Yes, the Atla in all countries - except for those in my country and John's country - is not legal tender in any other country. I must agree with you on the quality of Yanitarian wine. It is very high quality," the monarch finished.

Orbath

09-03-2008, 15:28

President Andrews had remained quiet throughout the meeting. He now saw it fit to speak, and also to pass out his gifts.

''Greetings to you all, I am very pleased to see the most powerful nations in a region able to come together and speak on behalf of peace. Although my nation is not part of Nova Europa, I have strong ties with many nations within NE and I wish to see all nations grow and prosper, not be divided by the sword. I have brought you all gifts.''

Through the large doors that the various nations leaders and representatives had entered a short while ago, several men dressed in suits carrying boxes entered.

''First I present to each of you an olive branch, the true symbol of peace.''

The men in suits passed each person seated at the table and olive branch.

''Next I present you each with a pen because the pen is mightier than the sword.''

The men handed each person a pen.

''These gifts are rather tiny and inexpensive, however it is what they symbolize which makes them worthy gifts of national leaders such as yourselves.''

President Andrews sipped from his glass of wine.

''A unified currency is an interesting idea, though my nation would not adopt it unless my allies do. We really have no reason to as the majority of EA tourists come from our allies.''

Nova Pictavia

09-03-2008, 16:43

OOC: Firstly, sorry for more OOC. I would just like to say that if he had turned up and been strip searched, it would not reveal anything, especially since weaponry appears to be tolerated within the conference. Nevertheless, Eógan and his accomplices are completely unarmed and as you have said, for the sake of the RP generic things like that can be ignored in order to get us to the point.
Now, as I have said before I don't have a wealth of time for this, so if it's just going to be a pissing match between the Commissar and anything Pictish, I'm afraid I wont be participating. While I understand this is supposed to be an RP, I'm not just arming an ignore; I simply do not have the RL time and thus would only like to participate if we could continue on with the real business. Again, this is simply a fact of time constraints.

my nation is not part of Nova Europa

Well that's fine, because none of us are. This is Europa Atlantica. :p

"If the Stoklomolvi is disarmed, I shall gladly sit and participate on behalf of New Pictavia. Commissar, we as national leaders have a duty to our people, not to personal grudges and associations. We must clear our head of past misgivings in order to move forward into an era of peace. It is our responsibility"

Eógan leant forward to lean on the back of his former seat, still standing for the moment until his safety is assured,

"In regards to changing the Atla, I deem it highly impractical. As many have stated, the Atla is already in use by both AU and NOP states and bears no origin in New Pictavia itself. Furthermore, several of us have only recently adopted the Atla and undergone the mammoth task of its creation and replacement of our former currency within each state. To replace it yet again because of a Stoklomolvi disassociation would be absurd, and a foolish allocation of regional resources."

Corbournne

09-03-2008, 18:38

OOC: It's Dutch not Beneluxian.

"No, actually it was the Calizorinstani VP, not I the Dutch King. Yes, it would make no sense to have common currency if we all have to agree what goes on both sides. Perhaps one side the same the other different? That way we will recognize the money from other countries as being legal but also recognze that it is from other countries.

"Well, we need something we can all agree on yet 'The Currency' is quite bland.

"Yes, maybe we should take the first letter of each of our currencies and make a word from it? Does it not just create an alliance which overlaps the AU, the NOP and those who are neutral? Those who do not become part of the alliance are not bound by the alliance and members would still be binded by the NOP and the Treaty of Brussels. I would honestly not hold any important foreign official in a holding cell in case it starts some form of international incident. Although I must agree we shouldn't fight first ask questions later.

"Yes, the Atla in all countries - except for those in my country and John's country - is not legal tender in any other country. I must agree with you on the quality of Yanitarian wine. It is very high quality," the monarch finished.

OOC: Fixed.

"My apologies for the confusion, Your Majesty. I don't think the blandness of anything really matter, though. The name makes no impression on the value or worth of the currency. I do, however, like your suggestion on naming the currency. Perhaps something like that or similar to it could be arranged."

President Andrews had remained quiet throughout the meeting. He now saw it fit to speak, and also to pass out his gifts.

''Greetings to you all, I am very pleased to see the most powerful nations in a region able to come together and speak on behalf of peace. Although my nation is not part of Nova Europa, I have strong ties with many nations within NE and I wish to see all nations grow and prosper, not be divided by the sword. I have brought you all gifts.''

Through the large doors that the various nations leaders and representatives had entered a short while ago, several men dressed in suits carrying boxes entered.

''First I present to each of you an olive branch, the true symbol of peace.''

The men in suits passed each person seated at the table and olive branch.

''Next I present you each with a pen because the pen is mightier than the sword.''

The men handed each person a pen.

''These gifts are rather tiny and inexpensive, however it is what they symbolize which makes them worthy gifts of national leaders such as yourselves.''

President Andrews sipped from his glass of wine.

''A unified currency is an interesting idea, though my nation would not adopt it unless my allies do. We really have no reason to as the majority of EA tourists come from our allies.''

"I would like to personally thank you for these gifts, monsieur. You are right, they are not much in the way of expensive gifts, but the symbolism indeed makes them worthwhile."

"In regards to changing the Atla, I deem it highly impractical. As many have stated, the Atla is already in use by both AU and NOP states and bears no origin in New Pictavia itself. Furthermore, several of us have only recently adopted the Atla and undergone the mammoth task of its creation and replacement of our former currency within each state. To replace it yet again because of a Stoklomolvi disassociation would be absurd, and a foolish allocation of regional resources."

"If I'm correct, sir, the Atla in use in Benelux and Calizorinstan has no connection with the one in use in Norsikia, thus it would take the same effort to convert Norsikian to Calizorinstani currency as it would Dutch to Norsikian."

Calizorinstan

09-03-2008, 19:52

John said, standing up "I believe it is time for all the chaos and shouting to end. I'm sick and tired of all the division between us, we must agree that we have to act on what we agree on, else this summit is for naught!"

His mustache bristled, and his eyes were filled with fire and he said "What good is it, if we cannot bring the NOP and the AU together in a peaceful union of two alliances. We'll be in effect at square one again, and this will have done this no good. We need to stop bickering, and start signing agreements here, as soon as we've agreed on what we shall do. I do not want to have come to a useless summit where all the delegates did was talk, but not act, or sign any resolution or whatever you call this stuff these days."

John said "If we can't bring the NOP and AU together, then we'll be as divided as we are now. And this will have been, as I said, for naught."

Corbournne

09-03-2008, 20:11

Premier Sebastian Lefebvre again rose to speak following President John. "I am in agreement with the Calizorinstani President here. The pointless bickering and arguing will get us nowhere. We must sit and discuss like civilized men, distinguished world leaders to be exact. With my own nation professing neutrality, I can see no better solution than the eventual merging, or at least, the disestablishment of the Atlantican Union and the New Oslo Pact." With this, Sebastian resumed a seated position.

Calizorinstan

09-03-2008, 20:18

Premier Sebastian Lefebvre again rose to speak following Vice President John. "I am in agreement with the Calizorinstani Vice President here. The pointless bickering and arguing will get us nowhere. We must sit and discuss like civilized men, distinguished world leaders to be exact. With my own nation professing neutrality, I can see no better solution than the eventual merging, or at least, the disestablishment of the Atlantican Union and the New Oslo Pact." With this, Sebastian resumed a seated position.

John replied "I full heartedly agree with the Premier's points. If someone was to take a look at this bickering, they'd think we're from third world countries with all this rubbish that's being thrown round, and I predict that if this keeps up, this meeting will go nowhere. That is why gentlemen, we must act, and be like civilized leaders."

Yanitaria

09-03-2008, 21:58

"Yes, maybe we should take the first letter of each of our currencies and make a word from it? Does it not just create an alliance which overlaps the AU, the NOP and those who are neutral? Those who do not become part of the alliance are not bound by the alliance and members would still be binded by the NOP and the Treaty of Brussels. I would honestly not hold any important foreign official in a holding cell in case it starts some form of international incident. Although I must agree we shouldn't fight first ask questions later.

"Considering that so many currencies use the Atla, we might just end up using the AAAASCD or something. I suggest we go along the same lines of the Atla, but with the Europa part of the name, and call it the Europ (pronounced, Eur-rohp)."

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"If the Stoklomolvi is disarmed, I shall gladly sit and participate on behalf of New Pictavia. Commissar, we as national leaders have a duty to our people, not to personal grudges and associations. We must clear our head of past misgivings in order to move forward into an era of peace. It is our responsibility"

Eógan leant forward to lean on the back of his former seat, still standing for the moment until his safety is assured,

"In regards to changing the Atla, I deem it highly impractical. As many have stated, the Atla is already in use by both AU and NOP states and bears no origin in New Pictavia itself. Furthermore, several of us have only recently adopted the Atla and undergone the mammoth task of its creation and replacement of our former currency within each state. To replace it yet again because of a Stoklomolvi disassociation would be absurd, and a foolish allocation of regional resources."

"Comrade Alexei, if you will agree to stay your blade, I am sure there is no reason to take it away from you.

"As for the replacement cost, since the redesign has already finished, they can simply switch the word 'Atla' to the new name, and since the swap is so new, you can allocate the unused funds and resources to the new currency, making the cost negligible."

John replied "I full heartedly agree with the Premier's points. If someone was to take a look at this bickering, they'd think we're from third world countries with all this rubbish that's being thrown round, and I predict that if this keeps up, this meeting will go nowhere. That is why gentlemen, we must act, and be like civilized leaders."

"Alright, it seems there there is a lot of confusion, here. Since so many topics seem to be flying around, how about we take these one issue at a time. Let me make a list and pull it up on the network."

Currency Issue
Banking Issue
Rail Line Issue
Zeko's Issue with Binaria (unknown topic, as of yet)
Yanitarian Wine Proposal
NOP-AU merger/dissolution/agreement

"I'd like to keep the really big issue for last, since after so much integration, it'll be easier to talk about a regional alliance. Since President Zeko asked to speak about something pertaining to Binaria I've included his issue before the one about the NOP-AU agreement, and my own. I am also going to put forward a proposal for a Europan Vintner's Association, which I will discuss when the time comes.

"Now, if we stay on topic like this, then we should be able to discuss everything quickly and efficiently."

Nova Pictavia

10-03-2008, 00:03

OOC: OOCly, it's easy enough to change the currency, but ICly it would be a administrative nightmare to convert every business to the new currency and recall, print and distribute all the new cash (not too mention numerous other tasks, changing a nation's currency cannot just be done with a declaration) twice in the past few years. For the sake of changing a name that is perfectly fine, it is just plain daft to do so.

Calizorinstan

10-03-2008, 00:12

IC:

John said "There, now we have an agenda, and it'll make this place more organized. Well, let's start with the currency issue. I propose that the length of time for standardization be 15 years, because let's face it, any sooner is not realistic."

Akimonad

10-03-2008, 01:03

Tarquin Fin-tim-lin-bin-whin-bim-lim-bus-stop-F'tang-F'tang-Olé-Biscuitbarrel
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The Akimonadi delegate, dressed in a comically pink and orange tuxedo, pulled of his exceedingly large red clown shoe and began polishing it with a plastic bag.

After a few minutes he stopped, got up, and held his shoe to the Stoklomolvi's chin.

"Listen, you. You're sillier than me. If you think the AU and NOP can cooperated to the point of forming some UNEA nonsense, you're wrong. You want to unify the EA. It won't work. You've read about the mythical European Union, haven't you? Yeah, what a gyp." he said.

"And what's this about a regional currency? You can do free trade without that. I'm a gorram clown, and I knew that. If you want happy money funtimes then just peg them all. A currency can be a part of a country's culture; to destroy it would make the audience upset. So to speak.

"Also, there are already two supranational entities in EA. Why combine them? What an administrative nightmare! The bureaucracy! Paperwork!" He fell to ground, acting unconscious. "This stuff is nonsense!" he said, standing and shaking his shoe threatening at the Stoklomolvi.

"What's the big spat between everyone anyway?" he said.

"Now," he said, placing his shoe through the Stoklomolvi's sword, it being cut through as though it were paper, "I am finished. For the moment."

OOC: Couldn't resist, since everyone was getting so uptight.

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

10-03-2008, 01:05

"If so many countries use the Atla I don't see why we don't keep it. Not using it because of a matter of purely personal taste just loads up unnecessary burden. Besides if we use the already existing name we can allocatte funds which would normally be spent on our own change to others who are changing which puts more orange in our pockets," the leader saved the comments he wanted to say most until it was time for the issue to be resolved.

Stoklomolvi

10-03-2008, 02:17

Commissar Alexei Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich of Stoklomolvi
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The Commissar grew quite irritated at the Akimonadi delegate. His gloved hand tightened on the hilt of his sword, and when the Akimonadi stuck the shoe into the sword he burst. He unsheathed his sword and slingshot the shoe at the Akimonadi delegate, and sheathed his sword before moving to strangle the man. Instead, he tried to punch the man, and sat back down.

"Being pessimistic and not caring is not helping the situation. For all I know you're here to keep us divided so that you can quickly claim the NOP as your own and then move to backstab your former allies and subjugate them as well. This is why Europa Atlantica must stand together. Sure we probably could not stand against the entirety of Haven. However, we will last a hell of a lot longer together than alone."

Yanitaria

10-03-2008, 03:32

Snip

OOC: *pulls out ignore pistol and shoots clown*

IC: "The Atla was originally meant to be for the Atlantican Union only, and Yanitaria has only not changed currencies because we had already finished integrating the currency. However, since the Atlantican Union has only recently started integrating the currency earlier this month, it should not be hard to simply start printing it with a new name, and use both currencies until all of the Atlas find their way back to the currency making bodies of the AU nations."

Oily prata

10-03-2008, 05:47

Zeko fiddled with the pen, before slipping it into his suit pocket.

"My dear Commisar," said Zeko. "I recommend you stay your sword habit. Or else poor Comrade Norheim will have to take all our weapons away. I am sure you wouldn't like being unarmed while facing assasins." He drank another glass of wine, emptying the bottle."

"Indeed, my issue is of grave importance to Norsikia, but I will wait until my turn. It really does not affect the rest of Europa Atlantica, but it is important all the same."

Akimonad

10-03-2008, 11:33

OOC: *pulls out ignore pistol and shoots clown*

Um, what?

Orbath

10-03-2008, 14:35

''I can see it is near impossible for these two powers to agree on anything at the moment, but I think it can be done.''

He sipped from his glass of wine, and pulled something up on his computer.

''Actually, one thing I'm sure we can all agree on is the quality of this wine. President Norheim, I'd like to add something to the agenda. Should our discussions on merging fail, I think we should at least discus a ''peace treaty'' of sorts, some sort of agreement to keep us from fighting.''

He added to the agenda and sent it to President Norheim.

Yanitaria

10-03-2008, 19:26

Um, what?

OOC: Now let's think about this slowly.

The asterisks denote an action. As in if I could, I wouldn't say it, I'd do it.

An ignore pistol is probably similar to ignore guns and ignore missiles. You know what those are, correct?

Shooting is a verb that means the use a weapon to launch a projectile. To shoot something means that you are launching the projectile at the object.

You posted a picture of your delegate. The picture was of some creepy looking clown. Your RPed it as a clown. Or at the very least, someone very clown like.

Lo tengo qui decir en espanol o que?

En francais?

''I can see it is near impossible for these two powers to agree on anything at the moment, but I think it can be done.''

He sipped from his glass of wine, and pulled something up on his computer.

''Actually, one thing I'm sure we can all agree on is the quality of this wine. President Norheim, I'd like to add something to the agenda. Should our discussions on merging fail, I think we should at least discus a ''peace treaty'' of sorts, some sort of agreement to keep us from fighting.''

He added to the agenda and sent it to President Norheim.

"I don't think that agreements are so far off. As for adding it to the agenda, let's merge it with the final discussion. If we need it, it'll be an option, but if we don't, it won't matter."

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

10-03-2008, 19:40

The King muttered so that no one else could hear his next statement and so that no one would even notice him say it, except for maybe the Emperor of Miamoria and the Vice President of Calizorinstan, "Oh, we'll need it."

Akimonad

10-03-2008, 20:15

-snip-

Don't patronize me. If you're ignoring me, you could have just said so, rather than fooling around.

Though I don't know why you'd ignore me, since you've stated twice that I can be here.

Nova Pictavia

10-03-2008, 21:43

<snip>

OOC: Hey, hey, funlover, let's keep this civil. Although it is of course, your thread.

The Pictish delegate promptly held out his hand to greet his Akimonadi ally. He would, of course be greeted by an electric shock. Alas, who could pass up the opportunity to do so at an international conference?

"Granted, the Atla was originally intended for the AU, however it was never implemented in the AU and only exists within the original pan-Atlantican participant nations. I really do not see the problem in it, could someone explain to me why it needs to be replaced? Do you intend on renaming the entire region because it reminds you of the Atlantican Union?"

Oily prata

10-03-2008, 23:43

"I-I do not see how the Atla being once part of the AU could possibly affect Non-AU nations in any way. With all due respect, Councillor Sol, we are not schoolchildren fighting over which toy to buy. I trust this esteemed table of delegates to make a decision wisely and fairly."

Nova Pictavia

10-03-2008, 23:58

"The Atla originally being part of the AU doesn't affect non-AU nations. I do not see where you are coming from here, the demand from Stoklomolvi was to replace the Atla with something of a different title for a reason which I cannot see, and the practicality of which eludes me even further. Fighting over which toy to buy? The Atla has already been bought as you would put it, by some member-states of both the AU and NOP"

Oily prata

11-03-2008, 00:06

"Perhaps I have missed the point. Perhaps I am also drunk and a stripper. What the commisar said was suggesting a new name for the venerable Atla.
I understand you Pictavians like your traditions very much, but please don't let your blindness get in the way of progress."

Nova Pictavia

11-03-2008, 00:21

*Pictish (Hell, I didn't even make that up, that's the way it is in RL. Pictavia -> Picts -> Pictish)

Eógan was taken quite aback by the manner of the statement. "You Pictavians"? "Blind"? The councillor was beginning to think that coming here had been a mistake...

"We are not "blind" thank you very much, and the Atla isn't a Pictish tradition. It is relatively new, and originated outside Pictavia on the Atlantican continent. I would expect more extensive background reading into the subject before it is put before the entire Atlantican community, as you appear to be the second NOP state to confuse its origins with Pictavia. As I have stated before, the title is Dutch, I believe. I am stating that the name is adequate, as it is derived from the title of our region and originally implemented by both current AU and NOP states. Renaming it would be an unnecessary logistical task which would involve the recall of every note and coin currently in circulation and the distribution of an entirely new material, alongside I presume the changing of its symbol and title in every business across each Atlantican state, the cost of which would be significant to say the least, and possibly stall the domestic economy in transition. And for what, exactly?"

Soviet Aissur

11-03-2008, 00:31

The Aissuran Secretary of Foriegn affairs drank from his Glass. He then took notes in his personal laptop. He did not know much of Pictish culture. He stood up, "I belive it would not be wise to change every piece of money into a diffrent form or name. It would be a nightmare's nightmare to do it. Aissur currently uses the Ruble and has many banks at which any form of currency can be changed to a Ruble at a rate of 1 Ruble per 2 any currency."

He once again took a drink from his glass and refilled it with more Wine. He began to speak again, "Oringally we allowed no AU citizens to enter our nation. However, we have opened our borders to all people of Nationallities and have abolished all laws discrimnating agains't them. We hope other nations follow our example. Thank you." He sat down, wondering where the Secretary of State was.

Nova Pictavia

11-03-2008, 00:35

OOC: Consider our embargo against the NOP lifted since the war didn't actually happen, although the previous travel constraints are still in effect against Stoklomolvi if their and Yanitaria's closure of borders with Pictavia are lifted.

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

11-03-2008, 01:03

"Atleast there is one person who is not on narcotics of any kind. May I re-iterate what has been said several times already by the Pictish," at this he shot a glance at the drunk Norisikian, "delegate, the Atla is of Dutch origin which spread to Calizorinstan, New Pictavia, Norsikia and Yanitaria to name a few other countries who have adopted the name."

----Kenny----

11-03-2008, 01:49

"Concerning the intraregional currency", said President Velo, "the Atla seems like the most logical choice. It is already a widely accepted currency and is used by both AU and NOP states."

Nova Pictavia

11-03-2008, 01:51

"Would Kenny join us in adopting the Atla?" Eógan queried, somewhat optimistically.

Corbournne

11-03-2008, 01:54

Premier Gaétan-Jean Sébastien Lefebvre Pépin of Corbournne
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Lefebvre quickly stood up. "I would be correct in stating that the nations of note, with the exception of Benelux and Calizorinstan, do not use identical currency, but simply one with the same name as the other nations, correct? I am not trying to make a point here, but merely inquiring due to my own curiosity. Now, as I am sure you are all aware of, I was in favor of a different name for the currency of Europa Atlantica, but, as these discussions have transpired, I have become less averse to using the 'Atla,' and, if it comes down to a vote of whether to use it or not, I will abstain." With this, Sebastien sat back down.

Stoklomolvi

11-03-2008, 02:07

----Kenny----

11-03-2008, 02:08

"Someone check his pulse." said President Velo to some closer, he being almost directly across the table

Akimonad

11-03-2008, 03:05

Tarquin shook the Pict's hand and was immediately shocked by whatever clever prankish toy the man concealed.

"Jeez!" he said, drawing back his hand. "Touché. It's on now."

Tarquin sat down at a seat, not caring whether or not it was previously someone else's.

"Now, I can say that while Akimonad would in now way switch to the Atla - we have no need - we could certainly peg the exchange rate for ease of trade. This is quite clearly an option for anyone-" he glanced at the Commissar- "to use the Atla without actually using it. The name is fine, to change it is picky and is semantics."

"As for the whole thing of unification, believe me when I say it won't work. Nationalism is always stronger than any supranational bond. To unite would be to tie a rope around yourself and someone who annoys the crap out of you. Eventually you'll get a knife to escape."

Tarquin paused as the Stoklomolvi continued saying whatever useless stuff he was saying. He looked up when the man stopped, and he heard a dull thud.

"My stars!" he exclaimed, looking at the evidently unconscious man. "I know I've a working stethoscope with me."

After shuffling through various and previously invisible pockets, Tarquin pulled out a rather nice-looking medical stethoscope, and said, to no-one in particular, "What? You thought I was just a clown, eh?"

He rushed over to the Commissar and pressed the stethoscope to his chest. After a few seconds, he declared, "This man needs an ambulance, and now."

Calizorinstan

11-03-2008, 03:21

Commissar Alexei Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich of Stoklomolvi
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"I still do not agree to the use of the 'Atla'. Perhaps a purely cosmetic renaming to something more open to all parties, such as renaming it to 'the Money' or the 'Currency' or the 'Pound' or the 'Rice ball' is in order. Remember still that the Atla was developed before hostilities began developing in Europa Atlantica. Still the-"

He slumped over.

John stood up and he said "I believe we have to get medical attention on the double!" He raced to a phone and dialed the emergency number and said "We have a delegate that's slumped unconscious in the meeting room. It's the Commissar and get here on the double, bye."

John said "We should probably wait to discuss these issues until we've made sure that the Commissar is going to be okay. Then, we'll go back to talking, but somebody should make sure that the Commissar is not going to have another of these "attacks" again. He probably over-exerted himself in his rant."

Oily prata

11-03-2008, 03:23

OOC: Yes NP, I know it's Pictish, but ICly Zeko is too drunk to remember that.

IC:
Hmm, should have laid off the wine...

Zeko was having trouble composing a witty response to the Pictavian councillor, when the Commisar slumped on to the tabletop, sending his wine glass flying and hitting the thick,carpeted floor with a thud.

Damn! I knew something would happen! He thought.
A clown man, the Akimonadi Representative,was checking his pulse and screaming something about ambulances.

I really should lay off the wine. I'm seeing clowns...

Calizorinstan

11-03-2008, 03:39

John said "Well folks, it looks like this summit is going to the dogs, I fear. If we don't stop acting like children, I, and the President are going to leave this summit. Next time, I suggest that we stay on topic, I mean we are, but then this bickering is just shameful!" He slapped the table and he glared at the offending delegates.

Yanitaria

11-03-2008, 04:14

Don't patronize me. If you're ignoring me, you could have just said so, rather than fooling around.

Though I don't know why you'd ignore me, since you've stated twice that I can be here.

OOC: I've stated twice that you could attend, but because I assumed you would actually RP a realistic delegate.

"The Atla originally being part of the AU doesn't affect non-AU nations. I do not see where you are coming from here, the demand from Stoklomolvi was to replace the Atla with something of a different title for a reason which I cannot see, and the practicality of which eludes me even further. Fighting over which toy to buy? The Atla has already been bought as you would put it, by some member-states of both the AU and NOP"

*Pictish (Hell, I didn't even make that up, that's the way it is in RL. Pictavia -> Picts -> Pictish)

Eógan was taken quite aback by the manner of the statement. "You Pictavians"? "Blind"? The councillor was beginning to think that coming here had been a mistake...

"We are not "blind" thank you very much, and the Atla isn't a Pictish tradition. It is relatively new, and originated outside Pictavia on the Atlantican continent. I would expect more extensive background reading into the subject before it is put before the entire Atlantican community, as you appear to be the second NOP state to confuse its origins with Pictavia. As I have stated before, the title is Dutch, I believe. I am stating that the name is adequate, as it is derived from the title of our region and originally implemented by both current AU and NOP states. Renaming it would be an unnecessary logistical task which would involve the recall of every note and coin currently in circulation and the distribution of an entirely new material, alongside I presume the changing of its symbol and title in every business across each Atlantican state, the cost of which would be significant to say the least, and possibly stall the domestic economy in transition. And for what, exactly?"

"As I have stated, you don't have to recall the current Atla, you could just print further notes with the new name, and simply pull the Atla out of service as the notes and coins deteriorate. The cost would then be negligible, and if the Pictish Imperium is so froogle that they cannot do so, then Yanitaria will volunteer to pay for it."

"Concerning the intraregional currency", said President Velo, "the Atla seems like the most logical choice. It is already a widely accepted currency and is used by both AU and NOP states."

"It's not likely to stay as such. Yanitaria has been considering new names and styles, and would likely have switched over if not for government preoccupation with other things."

When the Stoklomolvi delegate slumped over Norheim hit the Panic Button, and 8 armed guards entered the room almost instantly. The tallest one, who happened to be the oldest addressed the delegates.

"Please step away from the Commisar, everything will be fine." The body guards, who all had at least an advanced knowledge of first aid, started examining the Commisar, and would immediately begin first aid procedures.

----Kenny----

11-03-2008, 04:18

"Would Kenny join us in adopting the Atla?" Eógan queried, somewhat optimistically.

"Concerning your question, Councillor Sol, the Republic most likely not be adopting the Atla right away. We will hold a national referendum on the issue. However, the idea of ----Kenny---- joining the Atlazone in the near future is not completely improbable." said President Vélo

The House of Boothby

11-03-2008, 05:12

ooc: My humblest apologies for the late arrival, as I said on the EA boards I was attending to some personal business.

IC:

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Thomas Christopher Clark Boothby, the hereditary ruler of the House of Boothby had yet to speak. He was a reserved, contemplative man, and had sat by attentive but non the less silently. Upon the Commissar's, Thomas stood.

"Eh, Alexei!?"

Akimonad

11-03-2008, 11:27

OOC: I've stated twice that you could attend, but because I assumed you would actually RP a realistic delegate.

A clown's perfectly realistic. I sent him to parody the format that Stok and everyone else was using.

Though I'd be happy to send Dr. Hodz if the conference moved past the pipe dream stage.

Nova Pictavia

11-03-2008, 12:18

<snip>
Going by the fact we have drunks and weapons in the conference, a clown is the least of my concerns. In reality, it sends a pretty direct message of the Akimonadi opinion of the summit.

Eógan sat comfortably back as the Stoklomolvi collapsed. He checked his wrist-watch and sighed. Drunks? Barbarians? Insults? Completely fabricated facts? I do not blame Dr.Hodz for sending a clown. After all, this summit is nothing more than a joke.

"Sir, I am delighted to hear of ----Kenny----'s cooperation, and hope that in due time you may adopt the Atla. However, I respect that the correct decision will be made by the Kennyian people."

Eógan then turned to face the Yanitarian;

"We do that and we run the risk of accelerated and unnecessary inflation that will potentially disrupt the economies of Benelux and Calizorinstan with which we share our Atla with. The Atla does not need replaced or renamed, and we will not participate in any such event when it offers no practical benefit, especially when taking into account the risks and costs of doing so. I hope that my fellow Atla users around Europa Atlantica agree with me that it would be a gross misallocation of resources because of the Stoklomolvi's continued disassociations."

Oily prata

11-03-2008, 12:23

OOC: Yes, I was hedging a more liberal(and intoxicated) Zeko would lighten things up in the oppressiveness of the meeting.

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

11-03-2008, 14:13

"Concerning the intraregional currency", said President Velo, "the Atla seems like the most logical choice. It is already a widely accepted currency and is used by both AU and NOP states."

"Thank you, President Velo.

Premier Gaétan-Jean Sébastien Lefebvre Pépin of Corbournne
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Lefebvre quickly stood up. "I would be correct in stating that the nations of note, with the exception of Benelux and Calizorinstan, do not use identical currency, but simply one with the same name as the other nations, correct? I am not trying to make a point here, but merely inquiring due to my own curiosity. Now, as I am sure you are all aware of, I was in favor of a different name for the currency of Europa Atlantica, but, as these discussions have transpired, I have become less averse to using the 'Atla,' and, if it comes down to a vote of whether to use it or not, I will abstain." With this, Sebastien sat back down.

"That is very honourable although I suggest you do vote as it effects your country, does it not?

Commissar Alexei Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich of Stoklomolvi
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"I still do not agree to the use of the 'Atla'. Perhaps a purely cosmetic renaming to something more open to all parties, such as renaming it to 'the Money' or the 'Currency' or the 'Pound' or the 'Rice ball' is in order. Remember still that the Atla was developed before hostilities began developing in Europa Atlantica. Still the-"

He slumped over.

OOC: Is he dead or what? Are you leaving the conference?

What the f**k is this meeting coming too? the King thought silently as the Commissar slumped over, Atleast he is out of the way. His country will probably not be joining the now growing Atlazone .

"Now, I can say that while Akimonad would in now way switch to the Atla - we have no need - we could certainly peg the exchange rate for ease of trade. This is quite clearly an option for anyone-" he glanced at the Commissar- "to use the Atla without actually using it. The name is fine, to change it is picky and is semantics."

"As for the whole thing of unification, believe me when I say it won't work. Nationalism is always stronger than any supranational bond. To unite would be to tie a rope around yourself and someone who annoys the crap out of you. Eventually you'll get a knife to escape."

"Even pegging old currency to new currency would also reduce the cost of the transfer. That's what we do here in Benelux when a King dies and we need a new portrait for our coins and we move up the Kings on our 'paper' money. It's tried and tested. Mr. Tarquin, could we please save the discussion of the creation of any new alliances for when it is brought up on the agenda.

OOC: I've stated twice that you could attend, but because I assumed you would actually RP a realistic delegate.

"As I have stated, you don't have to recall the current Atla, you could just print further notes with the new name, and simply pull the Atla out of service as the notes and coins deteriorate. The cost would then be negligible, and if the Pictish Imperium is so froogle that they cannot do so, then Yanitaria will volunteer to pay for it."

"It's not likely to stay as such. Yanitaria has been considering new names and styles, and would likely have switched over if not for government preoccupation with other things."

When the Stoklomolvi delegate slumped over Norheim hit the Panic Button, and 8 armed guards entered the room almost instantly. The tallest one, who happened to be the oldest addressed the delegates.

"Please step away from the Commisar, everything will be fine." The body guards, who all had at least an advanced knowledge of first aid, started examining the Commisar, and would immediately begin first aid procedures.

OOC: He is RPing a realistic delegate. The delegate happens to be a clown and he's RPing him realistically.

"Exactly what I said. But still, my country won'y like me very much if one of my first Koninklijk Decreets is to change the name of the currency. It would piss all my people off. I simply cannot do it at this fragile time for my career and life," the monarch finished just as the guard had begun to talk. Once he was done Mr. Oranje muttered something else, almost sarcastically, "Someone is making me feel safe."

The House of Boothby

11-03-2008, 16:47

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Boothby had stood silently aside as medical personal attended to Alexei, but now that the situation had apparently been dealt with he returned to his seat.

Looking at the faces around the room he had a sinking feeling that few present had any real hope for moving forward. Like school-aged girls they bickered and spat insults, some vailed, some open, back and forth. Thomas's sincerest hope had been that the summit would come to some happy and rational outcome, but those hopes were quickly fading.

"Gentlemen, please, lend me your ears and open you mind and heart to reason. By your attendance at this summit I hope I can safely assume that you and your nation are sincere in hoping for peace within Europa Atlanican.

That being said, I believe that thus far we have made some progress, but that ultimately we are building on extremely shacking ground. The formation of an all encompassing union between the nations of EA while noble is quite impractical.

Impractical because of the ideological and cultural differences that separate many of us. Impractical because of previous and current spite that has grown due to current separatists and alliances.

I would urge you all to reconsider what must ultimately bring peace to this region, and that is economical prosperity. I speak not only of domestic growth but of a truly free flow of goods, trade, and ultimately progress between all nations.

While I would ultimately hope that all of your nations would become a member of this global market it would be rash to suppose total and immediate integration. Rather, I urge us as leaders of Europa Atlantica to make a pact, a pact that will allow unrestricted shipping routes, trade, and finally prosperity to expand throughout our region.

It is my belief that prosperity will bring peace to this region. If we are all domestically comfortable there will be little desire to go to war. If our economies are interwoven then there will be further deterrence from war.

Words will not heal wounds, words will not keep promises. As cold as it might sound, economic levelness is the only true peace maker. "

The ruler relaxed back into his chair, but his eyes roamed the room face to face, studying each delegates eyes for a sign that his message might have sparked some inspiration or reason within them.

Nova Pictavia

11-03-2008, 17:42

Eógan was to make the most of the summit, especially since polite and sane proposals were becoming ever scarce, so he jumped at the chance to return the discussion;

"While I accept that your words are spoken with the best intentions at heart, it is my duty to question your proposals on behalf of New Pictavia. When you speak of a truly free flow of goods and trade I naturally presume you are referring to free-trade within the region, and I must object. While a noble venture indeed and a policy oft sought by Imperial diplomats, the economies of Europa Atlantica are just as diverse as our cultures and political ideologies. Tariffs on importation exist to protect our domestic markets from foreign dominance and thus ensure healthy domestic industry, and are wholly necessary. Thus, I must reject the international commercial model already in use by the NOP for region-wide implementation."

The House of Boothby

11-03-2008, 18:05

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The hereditary ruler of the House of Boothby saw some glimmer of hope as the Pict spoke.

"Monsieur Eógan, you have made my point more elegantly then I was able. We ARE to diverse to hope for some radical ideological and economic change. But, what we can do is plant to seed of peace, through opening trade.

I do not speak of knocking down all domestic tariffs and taxes, as this indeed will effectively put EA under the control of the biggest economy. Rather, open up the region's waterways so that smaller nations may participate in the global economy.

I strike that while nations should be allowed to tax foreign products they should not place any embargoes or blockades on trade and economic routes. No ill will should be shown to any nation for its economic dealings with another. All waterways should be freely available to trade vessels. And, I would hope with time that individual national economies would open to the prospect of foreign investment."

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

11-03-2008, 18:07

"Tariffs to protect domestic industry? Why that is proposterous. If an industry is failing it is better to invite foreign competition for it adds to your GDP and your neighbours GNP. And if the value of goods and services produced in their home country by them stays the same as before they moved to your country it just strengthens your economy," the monarch explained.

Yanitaria

11-03-2008, 19:18

The House of Boothby

11-03-2008, 19:32

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

11-03-2008, 19:37

"Yes, but then we deal with myself and my fellow Atlazone, that is the countries who use the Atla and who have their currency pegged at 1:1, using a different symbol than say the Corbournnians. This leads to further confusion because then although the symbols are different the value is the same? Maybe we should also standardize a symbol, but then we have the problem of dollar using a symbol with an S; it doesn't make much sense and it hasn't been around long enough for it to 'just be accepted'. I apologize but it is easier to be black or white than grey if you understand what I mean. As for Tom's concerns; yes, you are correct. If it were really nothing but accepting eachothers currencies in foreign lands my fore fathers would have created such an arrangement with the Miamorians and the Picts, the Bithunians and the Calizorinstani long, long ago and we'd all be using the same currency. But alas, you are correct, the exchange rates must be near enough that the impact on the economy isn't too bad. In fact, the value of the Calizorinstani currency went up and mine went down right after we merged. My economists predicted that in reverse and so I went for it. Now my currency is close enough to that of the Picts that he is now also part of our Atlazone."

Yanitaria

11-03-2008, 19:42

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"As to the matter of a unified currency. While superficially it would appear that such a move would simplify and extend economic bounds, I am curious as to how your analysts have forecasted its effects on current national currencies and exchange rates.

It seems to me that such a move would have the effect of devaluing strong currencies, while making weaker currencies obsolete. This may not be a large problem within EA, but thoughts should be taken to the effects this will have on trade with nations outside of the region."

"Nobody is forcing any nation to join in doing so, so those countries who feel it is not in their best interest can abstain. Those nations, like Yanitaria, which feel that Intraregional relations take precedence would of course adopt it. Yanitaria's economy is strong, so I feel that that will carry us through no matter what currency is used in Europa Atlantica."

Akimonad

11-03-2008, 19:53

OOC: Any real life country would have thrown the clown out of the room, and not let him back in. You are right in that he is RPing a clown realistically, but realistically, I wouldn't have let him in past his first few words.

Well, this isn't real life, is it?

If he would make a mockery of the Pan-Atlantican Summit, then I would have no choice, but to throw him out in the name of furthering peace in [EA which is Yanitaria's highest goals.

He's not made a mockery yet. But if some stuff comes back up, he will, which I assure is the same way any other non-clown delegate from Akimonad would too.

So I'll give him the chance to back out with out the Yanitarian Police escort him back to his plane.

No, he's staying, for the moment.

IC: "Back on the topic of currency, how about a compromise? We'll label all currency used by Europan nations as 'Europan Currency'. We'll extend the customizability to include the name, but in reality they will all be the same currency, which is worth the same amount. The only thing that would require standardization is the increments."

"How does this differ from just pegging all the currencies? And why do they need a blanket name anyway? If you mean to unite the region by the name of currency I'm afraid you'll be sorely disappointed."

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

11-03-2008, 19:57

"How does this differ from just pegging all the currencies? And why do they need a blanket name anyway? If you mean to unite the region by the name of currency I'm afraid you'll be sorely disappointed."

"It differs in that we no longer need to go to a bank to change our money. We just use it as if in our home country. I do believe that if one abstains from voting on the name, one abstains from using the currency and that one should not talk if one does not wish to adopt such a policy if others are unless no one else wishes to adopt a policy and another one keeps trying to force it on others."

EDIT: Last sentence - I know it is long - is directed at Boothby not Akimonad.

The House of Boothby

11-03-2008, 20:55

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Boothby raised a brow to the verbose king, smiled, and continued:

"Ah, sirs, I am afraid that perhaps you have mistaken my question for a commendation of the proposal. I am in fact quite enamored with the idea, and was merely subtly hinting that such an adoption would elevate the EA with regards to other regions.

As to the issue of whether or not said currency would be made in uniform bills and denominations, I believe the answer should be a resounding "yes". Perhaps, to instill our own national pride into the affair, each nation could design one of the bills which would be adopted by all. Selection of said bill could be run through a lotto system. For example: HOB = 1, Benelux = 5, New Pictavia = 10, et cetera. The designs would then be disseminated to all nations for regional use."

Nova Pictavia

11-03-2008, 21:03

"How does this differ from just pegging all the currencies? And why do they need a blanket name anyway? If you mean to unite the region by the name of currency I'm afraid you'll be sorely disappointed."

"We agree. Banding currencies of different values into one super-currency would be extremely complicated, it would be far more efficient to further expand the Atlazone where applicable and peg the remaining currency's rates of exchange."

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

11-03-2008, 21:06

"I do not know if you are aware but Lefebvre suggested an idea I find to be rather better than yours. Perhaps we have a common side and a national side and that denominations are coins of 1 hundredth, 2 hundredths, 5 hundredths, 1 tenth, 2 tenths, 5 tenths, 1 and 2 Atlas while bills be in denominations of 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 200 and 500 Atlas? Usually bills are used for amounts you wouldn't need to put in a vending machine and with a current rate of $1 is 0.768 of our Atlas, I mean 0.768 of the Atla of Nova Pictavia, Calizorinstan and I, an Atla or even two Atla bill would be quite unnecessary. This way we can learn about each nation's heritage by putting say the monarch on coins and different buildings or other monuments on bills as is already done in Benelux. We of course must agree on the design of the common side."

((OOC: I'm trying to model denominations after Euros not USD's.))

Akimonad

11-03-2008, 21:06

"I do hope membership in the Atlazone will be voluntary. That or we'd be exempt, since we really only have a base in the region and that's it. Regardless, our offer of pegging the Atla to the Trigan still stands."

The House of Boothby

11-03-2008, 21:08

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"Yes, the name of course is of little importance, so long as it does not insult the national sentiment of a particular nation.

It is the effect of a standardized currency that we should be seeking, not the superficial sense of commrodory it may produce.

As I have made clear before, I believe it is economic freedom and expansion that will unite us."

Yanitaria

11-03-2008, 21:50

Well, this isn't real life, is it?

Yes, but I will write as if it is. If not, then where do I stop? At gravity? So long as he doesn't act foolishly, I don't care, but if he does, he is in my country, and my thread, so I'll throw him out.

"I do not know if you are aware but Lefebvre suggested an idea I find to be rather better than yours. Perhaps we have a common side and a national side and that denominations are coins of 1 hundredth, 2 hundredths, 5 hundredths, 1 tenth, 2 tenths, 5 tenths, 1 and 2 Atlas while bills be in denominations of 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 200 and 500 Atlas? Usually bills are used for amounts you wouldn't need to put in a vending machine and with a current rate of $1 is 0.768 of our Atlas, I mean 0.768 of the Atla of Nova Pictavia, Calizorinstan and I, an Atla or even two Atla bill would be quite unnecessary. This way we can learn about each nation's heritage by putting say the monarch on coins and different buildings or other monuments on bills as is already done in Benelux. We of course must agree on the design of the common side."

((OOC: I'm trying to model denominations after Euros not USD's.))

"But that brings up Pictish opposition to adopting a new currency so soon, despite my reasoning that simply printing the new money and replacing the old at the same rate that it would usually be replaced would cost much less."

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"Yes, the name of course is of little importance, so long as it does not insult the national sentiment of a particular nation.

It is the effect of a standardized currency that we should be seeking, not the superficial sense of commrodory it may produce.

As I have made clear before, I believe it is economic freedom and expansion that will unite us."

"I totally agree with my comrade from Boothby. The name matters little, since everything else about the design will probably be different. What we want is a currency that can be used anywhere in EA, which would help the flow of commerce, and bring our nations closer together.

"However, I would like to remind everyone here that it is simply a proposal, which we can leave at any time, and come back to, or simply abandon if not all parties can be satisfied."

Calizorinstan

11-03-2008, 23:28

IC:

John tapped his ceremonial sabre on the table and he said to the delegates "If we don't reach a resolution in the next forty five minutes, then, I and the President here will leave this summit! I'm sick and tired of the indecisiveness that I'm seeing here."

The House of Boothby

11-03-2008, 23:45

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"I do not think it is essential that we come to a consensus on superficial aspects for a universal currency at the moment, we can perhaps leave that to our minters.

However, if you would care to stay, we could discuss things of greater importance."

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

12-03-2008, 00:03

"Now, now no need to be hasty. I'm sure we can all agree that we need to allow currency to be atleast pegged in order to ease trade. Perhaps we could come back to this and move onto the banking and move it for just before we discuss the serious matters?"

Nova Pictavia

12-03-2008, 00:19

Eógan spread his arms out in an open gesture,

"Whatever best suits you, for the moment I would like to close that the 'union' Atla used by Benelux, New Pictavia and Calizorinstan is available to all nations within or out with the Atlantican Union with an exchange rate of 1=1.275 USD or greater. I would certainly support a motion to 'peg' exchange rates under normal circumstance however New Pictavia is currently experiencing a period of economic growth that has much more potential, thus I would strive to get as much out of our currency as possible before said rates are ultimately pegged."

----Kenny----

12-03-2008, 01:21

Akimonad

12-03-2008, 02:03

"So precisely who's currency is the one all of your currencies being pegged to?"

"I would assume all currencies would be pegged to all other currencies, rather than one specific currency being pegged to another."

The House of Boothby

12-03-2008, 02:44

ooc: If we equate our intraregional currency 1:1 with the USD it would make life quite a bit easier when exchanging between national and the intraregional, no?

----Kenny----

12-03-2008, 02:49

"I would assume all currencies would be pegged to all other currencies, rather than one specific currency being pegged to another."

"No, I mean what are they going to be worth in comparision to the Universal Standard Dollar and to other currencies?"

Oily prata

12-03-2008, 02:56

"I believe it would be best to peg the new currency as 1:1 with the Universal Standard Dollar."

The House of Boothby

12-03-2008, 03:47

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"I am tempted to agree with President Zeko. Does anyone object to this?"

Oily prata

12-03-2008, 03:56

OOC: Idle curiosity, Boothby, but who is that Gentleman in the photo?

Stoklomolvi

12-03-2008, 03:57

[OOC: Why, Jeremy Brett of course!]

The House of Boothby

12-03-2008, 04:22

[OOC: Why, Jeremy Brett of course!]

ooc: Indeed, it is my life long hero and inspiration, Sherlock Holmes.

RIP Mr. Brett.

Yanitaria

12-03-2008, 04:27

ooc: If we equate our intraregional currency 1:1 with the USD it would make life quite a bit easier when exchanging between national and the intraregional, no?

"I believe it would be best to peg the new currency as 1:1 with the Universal Standard Dollar."

OOC: C'mon, at least make it worth a Euro. Last I recall, the dollar is about equal with the canadian dollar.

The House of Boothby

12-03-2008, 04:32

OOC: C'mon, at least make it worth a Euro. Last I recall, the dollar is about equal with the canadian dollar.

ooc: I really don't have to much of an opinion on this, but seeing as how all the economy calculators seem to give national currency ratios with regards to the USD, it would make life a lot simpler. But if people have some fascination with additional arithmetic by all means.

Oily prata

12-03-2008, 04:48

OOC:RIP
Yes, seeing as all good calcs show their results in USD, it makes our life easier.
Oh and Yani, I ordered on your storefront.

Yanitaria

12-03-2008, 04:54

OOC:RIP
Yes, seeing as all good calcs show their results in USD, it makes our life easier.
Oh and Yani, I ordered on your storefront.

OOC: Got the order, and approved it.

Akimonad

12-03-2008, 11:02

OOC: C'mon, at least make it worth a Euro. Last I recall, the dollar is about equal with the canadian dollar.

Two different USDs.

And no, it cant be 1:1 because of the varying economies of the region. That and you can't arbitrarily set an exchange rate. It has to be based on the value of your money.

Yanitaria

12-03-2008, 12:41

Two different USDs.

And no, it cant be 1:1 because of the varying economies of the region. That and you can't arbitrarily set an exchange rate. It has to be based on the value of your money.

lolgoldstandard

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

12-03-2008, 13:03

OOC: C'mon, at least make it worth a Euro. Last I recall, the dollar is about equal with the canadian dollar.

OOC: Yes, good for me up North.

ooc: I really don't have to much of an opinion on this, but seeing as how all the economy calculators seem to give national currency ratios with regards to the USD, it would make life a lot simpler. But if people have some fascination with additional arithmetic by all means.

ooc: I have some fascination with additional arithmetic. I'll do it. Where and how often should I post the rates?

IC:

"Actually, I made an agreement with Calizorinstan when the rates were right and Pictavia when the rates were right. I suppose they are pegged with my currency but the value of now Our Currency is determined by the demand for our currency as real exchange rates are. Pegging it to the USD would severely undervalue my currency and I would much prefer to create bands if you will. Say groupings where the currencies are of about equal value. What do you say?"

The House of Boothby

12-03-2008, 14:37

Anselmus

12-03-2008, 18:19

OOC: Would anyone mind posting some sort of summary of the goings on at this conference? I don't want to miss it entirely due to my absence.

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

12-03-2008, 18:43

Yanitaria

12-03-2008, 19:19

[ooc: Post as often as possible I guess, maybe in the thread NP created on the EA boards.

Additionally, since several of us seem to have a love of all things numerical is anyone interested in helping to create a EA stockmarket and running it with me?]

ic:

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"If we are to adopt this new currency then I believe we should make a concerted effort to raise its value. This can be accomplished by taxing all international USD transactions. The effect will be that more nations will want to buy the Atla over the USD as it will reduce their costs when dealing with our nations."

OOC: What would really be cool is if we could get someone with minor programming skill to make an engine that allows you to store company names, and set them at a random price based on your GDP per capita, and then degrade the price over time, with random bump ups, and every time you make a sale, you could enter the amount, and it'll list it on the Stock's page, and increase the stock's price according to the number of stock, the size of the sale, and such.

Also, if it could take into account people buying your stocks, and announcing designs, which people can then click a button for, indicating interest in buying it, thus increasing stock price slightly.

I am not sure if that made sense, but I'll talk to a few friends of mine, and see what can be done.

Soviet Aissur

12-03-2008, 22:32

OOC:I will be no longer participating in the summit.
The Aissurian Secretary of Foreign Affairs stood up. "I am sorry, but I must excuse myself from the Summit." He said. He packed up some stuff and stored information on a flash drive. He then left with his two guards.

----Kenny----

12-03-2008, 22:53

OOC: The stock market idea sounds interesting

Calizorinstan

12-03-2008, 22:54

IC:

John stood up and clapped his hands and he said "Marvelous! We seem to be coming to an agreement here, and we're sounding like civilized men finally. Don't you agree Mister President, President???" He looked at President Macked, who was slumped over in his chair!

John tried to shake him and he said "Wake up Barry, we're at the summit still, things are happening you can wake up now!" But no answer, and John said "Oh no, get 911 and fast, we have another delegate down, this time the President. Since the President is incapacitated as of this time, I shall assume, or as some of you may now, re-assume the presidency."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Prince_Albert-1842.jpg

OOC: The picture above, represents President Macked, in his delegate uniform, this is what he looks like, if any media wishes to cover his "sudden collapse"

Yanitaria

12-03-2008, 23:02

OOC: Is it something in the air that makes world leaders slump over in Yanitaria?

IC: The guards were called in for the second time, and immediately started first aid on the Calizorinstani president while a medical helicopter flew the 11 blocks to the Summit. Just as with the Commisar, President Macked was taken to the nearest hospital for treatment.

Orbath

12-03-2008, 23:05

Despite being an optimistic person, for quite awhile, President Andrews had begun to think that this conference was useless. Despite the interruption of one delegate from Stoklomolvi passing out, not much had been accomplished. He was now delighted at the fact that some progress was now being made. He didn't speak much, the issue really didn't concern him so he kept out of it.

He was now taken back by the fact that yet another delegate had slumped over. Thoughts of poisoned wine flashed through his head before he realized that the majority of the delegates at the conference were friendly, and Stoklomolvi was a close with Yanitaria.

He stood, stepping back and pulling his chair away, to allow medical personel room. He knew first aid but with the number of trained professionals at the summit, he figured it was best left to him.

Akimonad

12-03-2008, 23:10

"Oh, for fu-" Biscuitbarrel said, falling on the floor.

"What the hell?" he exclaimed, climbing back to his feet. "Did someone hide chloroform or some such nonsense somewhere?"

Calizorinstan

12-03-2008, 23:15

The House of Boothby

12-03-2008, 23:16

[ooc: Yanis, all that would be very nice. Additionally it would be cool to have control over other aspects of EA goings ons. Such as War/Peace/Treaties/Other events that would cause stock to rise/fall.

IE: When Stok announced the opening of his oil fields I could somehow enter in some depreciation of my Arctic oil drilling stocks.

To all: Are we just going knock off all our leaders? They could just politely excuse themselves...]

Yanitaria

12-03-2008, 23:16

President Norheim stood as the Calizorinstani President was being carted away. He sidled up between the the leaders of Boothby and Orbath, and whispered to them quietly.

"This looks bad. Two delegates have slumped over, and the Aissuran delegate left. I don't suppose you two could promise me not to, you know, have a heart attack or something. But really, I am at a loss. What if the Pictish or Akimonadi delegate accuse me of trying to assassinate someone? I am leaning towards simply dismissing the Summit and relocating it to more neutral ground."

Edit: OOC: Oh, I forgot the political aspect. Of course war will be complicated, since it is good for some economies and horrible for others. The few friends I know that are probably well versed enough in coding are currently asleep though (time zones), so I'll have to ask them tonight or tomorrow morning.

Yanitaria

12-03-2008, 23:25

IC:

John said "I don't know, but I do know that President Macked is a very fit man, and he's in excellent health. I don't believe he's had a heart attack, but there must be something in these drinks, I'm sure. It'd be all to easy for anyone that really wanted to do some damage to slip something in the wine beforehand."

He said "I am frankly unsure what did it, but the show must go on, and we won't let any disruptors, disrupt this summit."

OOC: That picture of President Macked that failed to load was of Prince Albert, Consort, that can be found on Wikipedia. I just used it, because it looked like President Macked to me.

Norheim looked up at the Calizorinstani. "Are you accusing my nation of poisoning our closest ally and your president? We can call in a technician to test all of it, and I assure you that they will find nothing. Still, let's carry on, and hope that nobody else falls ill."

OOC: Just a note, unless you RP placing poison in the wine, then I won't ICly acknowledge it being there.

Orbath

12-03-2008, 23:38

President Andrews whispered back,

''I assure you I won't be falling ill today. I'd like to live to see the end of this.''

The House of Boothby

12-03-2008, 23:52

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Boothby cast his eyes about the room surveying the delegates,

"Under the circumstances Mr. Norheim I think it only best to close this meeting. There are obviously those hear that do not wish to move forwards and seek to hinder our progress in uniting Europa Atlantica.

I might suggest holding another installment of talks with a defined itinerary."

Yanitaria

13-03-2008, 00:11

Nova Pictavia

13-03-2008, 00:24

OOC: Is it something in the air that makes world leaders slump over in Yanitaria?

Yes, COMMUNISM.

:p
(just joking)

Stoklomolvi

13-03-2008, 00:27

[OOC: NP, we were trying to get a compromise going until Aki showed up. I had my guy slump over primarily due to this, since I realised that neither of you seem to truly be taking this seriously.]

Akimonad

13-03-2008, 00:28

Oh, my fault, eh? Very nice.

Nova Pictavia

13-03-2008, 00:31

Excuse me? How is this at all anything to do with me? My delegate has been RP'ed extremely realistically and cooperatively, and I even made it clear that I was here to resolve issues and not respond to any sort of pissing match. Compared to others besides the clown, like drunks and sword-wavers, how exactly has me RP'ing my delegate not been in total seriousness?

Stoklomolvi

13-03-2008, 00:31

[OOC: Hey, I'll agree that my Commissar and his sword did get in the way. But he does have a hell of a lot of contempt towards the Pictish.]

Yanitaria

13-03-2008, 01:25

Yes, COMMUNISM.

:p
(just joking)

I know.

Guys, let's stop the OOC arguing. Pretty Please?

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

13-03-2008, 01:57

"Noted. One more disruption, and I will call an end to this meeting."

"Duly noted," the King said before continuing,"So are we agreed to peg each other's currency 1:1, Mr. Norhiem?"

Yanitaria

13-03-2008, 02:20

"Indeed, since it attains the goals set forth. If everyone agrees, then shall we move on?"

Oily prata

13-03-2008, 02:28

OOC: Technically, he's not drunk. He just imbibed a substancial amount of alcohol.

IC: "Indeed. Let us move forward"

----Kenny----

13-03-2008, 02:31

"Well have fun with pegging your currencies, what's the next order of business?"

Oily prata

13-03-2008, 02:39

"Here we Go."

Currency Issue[X]
Banking Issue
Rail Line Issue
Zeko's Issue with Binaria (unknown topic, as of yet)
Yanitarian Wine Proposal
NOP-AU merger/dissolution/agreement

Yanitaria

13-03-2008, 02:47

"I think the banking issue is pretty open and shut. Our governments should back any banks in our borders, and establish a secure network for our banks to request specific account information. Then if someone from, say Yanitaria visits Benelux, one could access their funds with out having to find the local branch, which might not exist."

Oily prata

13-03-2008, 02:56

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OOC: Heh, photo.

IC: "Then I believe we can head on to the Rail Issue. I do not think this will be a problem, most of our nations are first world and it is only a matter of connecting our excellent systems together regionally. I propost that AU and NOP states each pay half of the cost."

Yanitaria

13-03-2008, 03:13

"Given that is also affects neutral nations, and that some nations are smaller, I think we should pay for what happens in our borders. First though, let's allow anyone to object to the banking issue, just to be sure."

Calizorinstan

13-03-2008, 04:55

IC:

John stood up and he said "I don't object, rather I agree wholeheartedly with the resolution on the banking issue. On the rail subject, we could pool funds for the monorail lines, that way we'd all share the load."

The House of Boothby

13-03-2008, 05:43

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"I concur with the purposed banking system and will open the HOB to all foreign banks. HOB banks will recognize account holdings from those banks recognized by nations agreeing to the pact."

Oily prata

13-03-2008, 08:14

"In that case, I believe we have concluded this topic"

Nova Pictavia

13-03-2008, 12:35

"Duly noted," the King said before continuing,"So are we agreed to peg each other's currency 1:1, Mr. Norhiem?"

"Hang on just a second, could someone summarize what exactly has just been pegged to the Atla for me? In effect has Yanitaria now joined the Dutch-Cali-Pictish Atla? On the subject of international banking I believe it would be best for all parties, and with the absence of Miamoria interconnecting rail-lines barely effects us."

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

13-03-2008, 13:50

Nova Pictavia

13-03-2008, 14:14

OOC: Dutchy, I presume you were referring to Eógan being "rude", to which I must say wtf?

Oily prata

13-03-2008, 14:22

"We do not need to do that. All we have to do is construct our national lines up to our borders, build a standardized line between the two nations, and then use the existing line in the other nation."

OOC: It's like an interchange,see? I get off at let's say, the border interchange between me and Binaria, pass through customs, take the special cross-border train, disembark, customs again, then take the Binarian system to wherever we want to go.

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

13-03-2008, 14:43

((OOC: Picts - his Emperor is attending the meeting. Miamoria hasn't been on in a few days - presumably he's on vacation b/c its march break over here.))

"I see...so we need to have a station at every border crossing? We might not actually need that, we just need to compare our rail systems and if they are compatible then we wouldn't need that. Gauge changes - well that would be necessary for sure. But for the voltage? I don't think so. What gauge does your country use, John?"

Oily prata

13-03-2008, 14:54

"True, but I do feel that money could be better spent on other things rather than converting all of Europa Atlantica's transport systems to one standard."

Nova Pictavia

13-03-2008, 15:14

OOC: Well then just point out OOCly that he isn't here, as I'm sure Eógan would have noticed an Emperor in the room. Also, if he isn't participating then I can't very much do anything even if he is 'technically' here since he's not going to respond.

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

13-03-2008, 15:50

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I will be attending the conference. Thank you for the invatation hopefully we will make some progress on the matter. I will look forward to seeing you at the event.

Sincerely

HIMH
Emperor Miamorga
By the Grace of God, Of Miamoria and East Ireland, Emperor, Keeper of the faith defender of the people

Miamorga listened intently to the president's speech, " Thank you for inviting me to this meeting. I hope by the end of this meeting we will have things sorted out and release any former and present tentions between us. I hope no one will stoop to the level of getting violent."

((OOC: Yep, he's definetly not participating [/sarcasm]))

"We don't need to convert everyone to one standard. Instead of building new stations on the border we can have border checks at the first station in and then they may take their ticket. Say Pictavia uses a gauge of 1,371.6 mm, Miamoria uses a gauge of 1,524 mm, Benelux uses a gauge of 1,435 mm and Calizorinstan uses a gauge of 1,000 mm. I should be able to buy my ticket from a city in Pictavia Proper to a city in Calizorinstan. I take the train from Pictavia to the first stop in Miamoria. I still have my ticket which tells my the time of the train to take me through Miamoria up to Harwich on a train ferry to Zeebruge and change to a train to take me to Maastricht which would then go into Calizorinstan. I'd get off at the first stop in Calizorinstan and take a final train the rest of the way. All for the price of, say, 25 Atlas a country. This would probably be a trip taken over several days and such but you see my point. It is easier to create a double gauge track then build new stations."

Nova Pictavia

13-03-2008, 16:15

OOC: You're a funny guy. If he's following this thread then he can reply to me himself instead then. Might I add that those quotes are his only two posts and they are from the SECOND PAGE. He also hasn't been online in 4 days= I can't propose anything to Miamoria if he isn't actually here to reply to it.

"Since our only land border is with Miamoria, our participation in this venture would be severely restricted unless the Emperor has anything he wishes to say? Also, I feel confident that we can meet the rail requirements discussed on the Imperial borders between Torvque, Norsikia and Boothby. I also feel we need to be definite about what has been exactly pegged to the Atla and so on, as it seems somewhat unorganized and confusing."

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

13-03-2008, 16:31

OOC: You have your points. But Torvque no long exists.
IC:

"Torvque? Where exactly is that country? I do believe that Yanitaria and Norsikia have joined the Atlazone and ----Kenny---- has pegged its currency.

Anselmus

13-03-2008, 16:53

OOC: What happened to Torvque anyway? I thought it was some sort of Pict puppet?

Calizorinstan

13-03-2008, 17:39

((OOC: Yep, he's definetly not participating [/sarcasm]))

"We don't need to convert everyone to one standard. Instead of building new stations on the border we can have border checks at the first station in and then they may take their ticket. Say Pictavia uses a gauge of 1,371.6 mm, Miamoria uses a gauge of 1,524 mm, Benelux uses a gauge of 1,435 mm and Calizorinstan uses a gauge of 1,000 mm. I should be able to buy my ticket from a city in Pictavia Proper to a city in Calizorinstan. I take the train from Pictavia to the first stop in Miamoria. I still have my ticket which tells my the time of the train to take me through Miamoria up to Harwich on a train ferry to Zeebruge and change to a train to take me to Maastricht which would then go into Calizorinstan. I'd get off at the first stop in Calizorinstan and take a final train the rest of the way. All for the price of, say, 25 Atlas a country. This would probably be a trip taken over several days and such but you see my point. It is easier to create a double gauge track then build new stations."

John stood up and he said "That sounds like a very sensible plan to me, that would cost far less money to implement then converting to one standard of rails. I do get your point, and I hope this solution will be agreeable be all?"

Yanitaria

13-03-2008, 19:13

OOC: What about my opinion?

"Whoa, now hold on. I think we need to negotiate some kind of international ATM, perhaps with the banks but I think that shall be saved for when we have representatives from our majour banks. Councillor, please don't be so rude. Just because he isn't speaking doesn't mean he isn't here. I kindly request that you apologize to the Emperor. Also, I think Norsikia and Yanitaria have joined the Atlazone and ----Kenny---- has pegged its currency. The difference being whether I may go to a shop in ----Kenny---- and use my own Atlas or whether I must change my money. Of course, Mr. Velo if you are willing to change the name of your currency to Atla - the majourity of us already using said name - we wouldn't prevent you from joining the Atlazone, would we? As for rails, it is more than linking them together. It is making sure that the gauges link up and that the different voltages match up too. It's more than just connecting them all together. I'm not sure about you but, we use a uniform 1435 mm inside gauge (distance between the wheels) throughout my country. I am sure that we can adapt to different voltages as long as high-voltage trains can run at reduced power on lower voltage tracks."

OOC: You have your points. But Torvque no long exists.
IC:

"Torvque? Where exactly is that country? I do believe that Yanitaria and Norsikia have joined the Atlazone and ----Kenny---- has pegged its currency.

"Yanitaria has simply pegged it's currency to the Atla. We will actually be changing the name shortly to something more Yanitarian. As for the rails, I think we should make them more uniform, so that international travel can take place with out switching trains, which in some cases could be more profitable. It would also allow old trains from richer nations to be given to poorer nations after they become obsolete."

OOC: Anselmus: He stopped playing and his nation was deleted.

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

13-03-2008, 19:33

((OOC: If you only peg, your currency artifically goes down in value. If you join the Atlazone it still goes down in value but not as much and demand for your currency will effect the price of the Atla. In other words better to avoid deflation by joining the Atlazone.))

"You have only pegged? But what about the convenience of not having to switch notes and bills. What about demand for your currency having an impact on the value of the Atla. It increases your risk for recession and depression if you don't join the Atlazone. Plus, if you do suffer recession/depression demand for our currency can help to save you.

As for rails well, we would have to change the distance between the wheel on every locomotive and every car which every locomotive pulls along. It is cheaper to create a double gauge for areas between stations which cross borders where different gauges are used on either side, there is no need to switch if the gauge is already the same. If Miamoria and Nova Pictavia both use the same gauge then they have no problems with rail transport between their states."

----Kenny----

13-03-2008, 22:18

The House of Boothby

13-03-2008, 22:20

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"Gentlemen, I feel our time could be better spent concentrating on the 'big issues' rather then nit picking over details.

If we can agree to interconnect our nations with a rail system, can we not leave it to our engineers to come up with the most effective way to carry out the proposal?

I strike that before we go any further with these discussions we agree on a pact for regional peace and security. After all, without these two conditions transport and currency are of little importance."

----Kenny----

13-03-2008, 22:28

"I agree to the rail system, I'm not entirely sure what gauge's Vichy and Bithunia use, but we can add double rails if they don't use our 4'8.5 gauge."

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

13-03-2008, 22:53

"How much is that in mm? I know that an inch is 25.4 mm but I don't know how many inches are in your foot as we here in Benelux no longer use an imperial system and when we did it was 16 inches to a foot. We use 1,435 mm which is just under 3'8½. If your foot is the more common foot of 12 inches then we use the same gauge within 0.1 mm of accuracy. If Bithunia or Maladria and Calizorinstan use our gauge, trains can run uninterupted from Moolah to Amserdam."

----Kenny----

13-03-2008, 23:07

"Translated from Kennyian (U.S.) Customary Units that would be 1,435 mm."

Yanitaria

14-03-2008, 02:56

Oily prata

14-03-2008, 03:09

"We unfortunately use 1500MM wide tracks, so an adaption will be necessary."

Yanitaria

14-03-2008, 04:57

"We unfortunately use 1500MM wide tracks, so an adaption will be necessary."

OOC: I was originally going to say that as well, but I was like "fuck it" and went with 1435mm

The House of Boothby

14-03-2008, 05:05

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"I will have to check with my Department of Transportation, as I do not docket such information."

Oily prata

14-03-2008, 09:47

OOC: 1500 is a nice, round, metric number!

Uiri

14-03-2008, 14:12

OOC: 1500 mm is the distance between the outside of the wheels when you have 1435 mm on the inside. :P

Oily prata

14-03-2008, 14:17

No, as in the distance between the wheels is 1500mm. It's a nice, round, metric number!

Uiri

14-03-2008, 14:24

OOC: No, as in when the distance between the wheels is 1435 mm the distance between the outer edges is 1500 mm. That's why the standard is 1435 mm in the first place. look it up.

Oily prata

14-03-2008, 14:27

No, as in the Distance between the two wheels in the trumped-up place called Norsikia is 1500mm.

Yanitaria

14-03-2008, 16:07

OOC: Oily, what dutch is trying to say is that the inner gauge of the standard rail is 1435, because the rails themselves are 65mm, making the total 1500mm.

So the 1435mm that he uses is a better metric number, because overall it is 1500mm.

Oily prata

14-03-2008, 16:12

OOC: Da, Yani, but in my sick twisted bored mind I willed the distance between the wheels to be 1500mm. It's a nice, round, metric number!

Oh my I read 8-Bit theatre and already I lost 20 IQ points!

Yanitaria

14-03-2008, 20:03

OOC: Da, Yani, but in my sick twisted bored mind I willed the distance between the wheels to be 1500mm. It's a nice, round, metric number!

Oh my I read 8-Bit theatre and already I lost 20 IQ points!

OOC: SHUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

Sprite comics are the bastard race of all webcomics!

The House of Boothby

17-03-2008, 20:29

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The Boothbian leader looked down at the now flashing display of his computer. The new message icon had appeared and was blinking. He looked up and around the room so see who might have sent him a message. Nobody seemed to be looking in his direction.

Boothby clicked the icon and read the message without change in his demeanor. He when he was finished he deleted the correspondence from the hard drive. He stood slowly and addressed the Yanitarian leader, as well as the others at the summit.

"I am sorry gentlemen but there seems to be some need for me at the our embassy. I will have to leave our discussion for an hour or so but I will try to return with all possible haste."

While that he exited the summit hall.

Nova Pictavia

18-03-2008, 17:10

OOC: Sorry, but I can no-longer take part as I am far too busy ATM and have fell behind with other NS priorities. This is just an IC excuse, please do not look to much into it.

"I believe this conference no longer has the capacity in terms of cooperation to meet a region-wide resolve, as such, I must take my leave. Should New Pictavia's opinion be required at any time or in any future conference, please do not hesitate to contact myself, Consul or Parliament. Thank you for your time, gentlemen"

Eógan stood, gave a short bow and exited with his aides.

Dutch-Ruled Benelux

18-03-2008, 21:29

OOC: This pretty much means the summit is over.

The king sighed, "Well this can no longer possibly be effective. I am taking my leave now."

Yanitaria

19-03-2008, 08:38

"Unfortunately if you two think so, then I suppose you should leave. So let's just skip on to the Norsikian issue and then wrap it up with my wine proposal."

----Kenny----

20-03-2008, 02:55

"Well maybe Norsikia should think of converting to the 1435mm, it seems like everyone else is using."