NationStates Jolt Archive

Map:
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/8067/fantasymapuq9.png
Registration:
Nation Name: (Make up a name or use your own)
Population: (Divide your NS pop by 50)

To simplify...those that arent on the map should re-register as confirmation that theyre still in.

Those currently registered:
Dark Green: Dontgonearthere (199,000,000) (Factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13471383#post13471383)
Brown: Stoklomolvi (33,880,000)
Light Green: The Indonesian states (28,000,000)
Dark Blue: Corbournne
Yellow: Honako (45,000,000)
Dark Red: Alversia (38,000,000)
Red: Grael (34,840,000)
Light Yellow: Merter (12,600,000)
Dark Purple: Mussleburgh (5,560,000)
Some sort of Brownish-Yellowish Color: Delkor (24,000,000)
Green: Crownguard (197,580,000)
Another Blue Color: Nebarri (83,640,000)
Purple: German zerabithea (22,000,000)
Pinkish: Java Minang (6,540,000) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13473082#post13473082)

You asked me on the other thread if I wanted islands or colonies. I thought I'd answer it on here.

I'd like the three "Mediterranean" Islands, the northwestern half of the large island east of Africa above Alversia, the "Caribbean" island directly south of "Florida." Also, I'll take some chunk of "North America" similar to the RL Louisiana Territory.

I know this is vague, so feel free to edit it as you wish.

I would like to take "Britain" please (I registered earlier already.)

"Norway and Sweden" please?

My population is down to 12.6 million :headbang:

Both added to the map.

People without a population listed either didnt provide one or used regular NS-population. Needs moar divide by fifty.

Ow, posting in wrong thread. OK, this is my napolaeonical empire...

Map: http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2...oniceramq4.png
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2...c762ca6b14.jpg (I am in the circle made by pencils)

New Stats:
Name: Islamic Empire of Kepala Burung Merak (the old name of Papua, which my new empire is in)
Population : 300 Million become 6 Million (duh!)
Alliance: The Empire Alliance
Army: Semi Professional = 300.000
Navy: Semi Professional = 50.000
Economy : Strong

PS: Merter, I downed to just 6 millions (Ow!!)

I'm down to 34,840,000 people. I wish it was 5% of our current populations.......instead of dividing by 50.

Yeah, it will be more good....

Does anyone agree we should have 5% of our current populations for the Napoleonic era, instead of dividing it by 50?

Nation name: The Grand Imperial Kingdom of Delkor
Population: 1.2 billion
Alliance: The Empire Alliance
Navy: Professional
Size: 40 large ships-of-the-line, with 320 men each

Army: Professional
Size: 30,000

Oh, and I'll have the two islands in the middle of 'south america', please.

No, 5% will still be too much. dividing it by 50 (which is 2 percent) is good.

Army: Professional
Nation pop. in Napoleanic Era: 28,000,000

The Indonesian States uses Prussian Jaeger Uniforms(with unique Indonesian Headgear), Prussion Ulhan Uniforms (Green with unique Indonesian Headgear), and Russian Musketeers (Green with unique Indonesian headgear)
Officers are in Bavarian Foot Artillery Uniforms

There are also Special Units:
A special cannon inside a wooden box covered with leather on wheels(aka 'Tank'), and special forces soldiers: http://www.eriksedge.com/weaponsofindonesia.html

Indonesian Headgear Here: http://www.guildcraftinc.com/images/...sian%20Hat.jpg
Officer Headgear: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...amousbugis.

A close-up map of the Indonesian States:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh188/Indonesian_States/IndonesianStatesMapNapoleanicEra.jpg

I would like to sign up as what looks like Iceland in the middle of the ocean. :confused:

Nation Name: Can I have the People's Republic of Mussleburgh?
Population: My population is 55 860 000.

Here is a link to my NS page.
http://www.nationstates.net/mussleburgh

Here the map of with my claims in black.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1994/fantasymaphn4my6.png

Just a helpful OOC hint. There was approximately 2 billion people around in the Napoleonic era. For realistic populations add up every player's population and then divide until you get 2 billion.Then tell each player to divide by that amount. For example.

Player 1 = 2 billion population
Player 2 = 1 billion population
Player 3 = 5 billion population
Player 4 = 650 Million Population
Total = 8 Billion 650 Million population.
Divided by 4.325 this equals 2 billion which means every player divides their population by 4.325.

These numbers can be found by taking total population of nations. and dividing by 2 billion.

When I asked for South Africa, I was hoping for South Africa the continent, not the nation,

My Pop would be about 38 million of which 1,000,000 are active troops.
And I agree that our pops are still too much. Would Fordock's idea be too bold?

Guys, does it REALLY matter?
No matter how you add it up, people who started with larger populations are going to have larger populations in the game.
I think that just dividing by 50 is a fine solution. Yeah, it gives us populations not heard of in Napoleons time, but, if you'll care to glance at the map, this isnt Earth. Its probably quite a lot more fertile than Earth, in fact. That big rift between 'Europe' and 'Asia' means that two huge portions of land that historically produced pine trees and not much else are now most likely much more friendly in terms of climate.
So, lets just stick with what works, shall we? Thats my vote.

Also, Musselburgh, you added a zero in there. S'ok. I did the same thing :P

Delkor, I'd like to try and keep initial claims in the 'old world', unless youre playing some sort of 'native'-style empire. This is so there will be places that people will have afairly equal chance to colonize somewhere to some extent.

Also, edited Alversia's claim.

EDIT:

I also suggest some limits on the political systems in use. A 'Peoples Republic'? Seems rather...communist ;)
While thats fine and dandy, its not exactly Napoleonic in flavor. MAYBE a Republic, or even a limited democracy, but I dont think waving the Red Banner and shouting "Viva La Revolucion!" goes well with marching in line and bayonetting each other en masse.

My pop is 45 million, if thats needed. I strongly believe that this divide by fifty method works, as going over would mean areas would be too densely populated. Also, would it be too much if I asked for that medium sized island off Britain and France as well (might be good for a bit of conflict in claim disputes of the island), as compared to other countries it seems that my claim might have been a tad cramped. Also throwing in a couple of Caribbean Islands would be greatly welcomed - I don't want to dabble too much in colonies but they'd be good for fruit and stuff.

Blah blah blah I'm still here blah blah.

Delkor, I'd like to try and keep initial claims in the 'old world', unless youre playing some sort of 'native'-style empire. This is so there will be places that people will have afairly equal chance to colonize somewhere to some extent.

Understood. How about the island between 'Egypt' and the 'missle east'? I can work with that...

That'll work. I'll update the map in a while.

I must admit I am a bit curious about what this map and game is for, exactly. Are you planning on hosting a roleplay set in these times, or is this for something else? As it is (assuming you want me participating) my setup would be:

Nation: The Holy Corvinian Empire

Pop: 197,580,000 (Real pop: 9.879 Billion)

I would choose the entire area of the Western Africa-looking part of the map. I suppose I need a large enough land area to house all these people, so there were probably be colonies along the north eastern parts of the South America segment.

The general culture would be that of a state religion merged with a relatively benevolent religious/secular constitution. A militaristic crusading sort of mentality predominates, though those who are incorporated into the Empire are treated somewhat benignly, as long as they submit and speak the Corvinian language. Missionaries are sent to all other nations to bring them to the True Faith. Generally, I would compare it perhaps to the Persians/Zoroasterianism.

Outsiders (especially merchants and scholars) are given support but special privileges exist for those who support the State. I pictured it as being very cultured and advanced, but not used to fighting large-scale wars. Most conflicts have been with smaller native empires, not the colonizing powers. Adapting to this would be part of the roleplay.

That'll work for me.

The purpose of the map is to facilitate RP. Its nice to have a clearly defined border with neighbors and such, after all :P
Just bear in mind that the Eastern regions of your empire will rapidly turn into desert, since the 'Sahara' will only have gotten bigger as a result of my tacking Australia onto Africa. I imagine a lot of your Easterly cities will be reliant on that big river for food, and any movement towards the interior would be very challenging, to say the least.
However, the coastal regions should be fairly pleasant.
Its a nice bonus though, since I imagine lots of trade ships will be using that river to get from the 'Med' to the 'Atlantic'

It'll be good to have another large empire on the map too ;)

Can I increase my claim? I'm starting to feel unsettled that I'm such a small nation right next to such a big one. :rolleyes:



NOTE:When I say unsettled I mean sh*t scared :p

My pop is 45 million, if thats needed. I strongly believe that this divide by fifty method works, as going over would mean areas would be too densely populated. Also, would it be too much if I asked for that medium sized island off Britain and France as well (might be good for a bit of conflict in claim disputes of the island), as compared to other countries it seems that my claim might have been a tad cramped. Also throwing in a couple of Caribbean Islands would be greatly welcomed - I don't want to dabble too much in colonies but they'd be good for fruit and stuff.

Just to highlight this, encase it is overlooked as things are in threads of these nature often as its hard to the map reader to see everything.

Mussleburgh, aren't you in the middle of the ocean (Iceland) who are you next too? I'd say your in a good positon for a small nation - harder to attack from sea.

I'm about fed up with fucking jolt. I had a nice post up describing my nation, and I don't even know where the hell it went.

Anyway, I misdetermined what was "Florida." Could I have the island southwest of the ones I currently have. Also, could I claim the rest of Madagascar, as I doubt anyone is going to claim it as their homeland considering it would be squished between Alversia and me.

My nation's official name is (l') Empire corbournnaise. It is fairly similar to the First French Empire. Lots of personal freedom, but not so much political. My uniforms correspond to the French ones displayed here: http://www.hat.com/ColorsU.html.

Army: 825,000-Mix of Professional and Drafted
Navy: Professional
50 Ships of the Line
50 Frigates
25 Sloops
25 Brigs

I think we should leave populations the way they are or use Fordock's idea. People are complaining about having 30 million people, but that would be a very large nation for the times.

OK, adjustments made.

Musselburgh, what did you have in mind? I'd say your claim is pretty secure, being a small-ish nation and all. Invading Iceland would be kind of silly and pointless anyway :P

Aaaaaaaanyway, please start working on a factbook, everybody. As we dont really have an 'admin' for this RP, lets just say they'll be subject to peer review, IE: Everybody argues about it until theyre happy.

As to populations...like I said, I think the rather large populations could be attributed to a) A lack of a 'black death' event (IE: Europe isnt connected to Asia :P), and b) Increased arable land due to more water.
It isnt perfect, but eh, its simple and easy to do.

EDIT:
Oh yeah, as to Madagascar, the fact that it isnt all colored is to indicate that colonies typically hadnt been developed far inland around 1800-ish. Consider it a 'starter' claim, you can expand it later if you like.

Why am i not added to this yet?



380 Million divided by 50 = 7.720.000

Because you havent made a claim in this thread?
I dont know what you want, so I cant well add you to the map.

Well, Are we using RL Geography?

Take a look at the link in the first post and tell me what you think.

EDIT:
Oh yeah, as to Madagascar, the fact that it isnt all colored is to indicate that colonies typically hadnt been developed far inland around 1800-ish. Consider it a 'starter' claim, you can expand it later if you like.

Ok, I wasn't sure if you didn't get my claim or you took the liberty of "shrinking" it for me. :p

Ok, I wasn't sure if you didn't get my claim or you took the liberty of "shrinking" it for me. :p

Just me and my power trips. Re-writing national borders, changing islands around, you know, that sort of thing.

lol. I can't, will i be asking you if i can take a look on the link, it's blocked on my computer [[Image Sharing Sites]]

Just me and my power trips. Re-writing national borders, changing islands around, you know, that sort of thing.

I see, I see.

If we are using RL Geo, i'll be Philippines(duh) and parts of Sabah, as it does truly belong to the Philippines in this time, and with permission, may i RP the Government of Britain too? if this is allowed,

None of those places exist. And 'Britain' is connected to France. And claimed.
If somebody would be so kind as to upload the map to NS, I'd be greatful. Unfourtunatly it wont let me, for whatever reason.

That'll work for me.

The purpose of the map is to facilitate RP. Its nice to have a clearly defined border with neighbors and such, after all :P
Just bear in mind that the Eastern regions of your empire will rapidly turn into desert, since the 'Sahara' will only have gotten bigger as a result of my tacking Australia onto Africa. I imagine a lot of your Easterly cities will be reliant on that big river for food, and any movement towards the interior would be very challenging, to say the least.
However, the coastal regions should be fairly pleasant.
Its a nice bonus though, since I imagine lots of trade ships will be using that river to get from the 'Med' to the 'Atlantic'

It'll be good to have another large empire on the map too ;)

It seems a good defensive location. I imagine the standing army is fairly small while the navy is probably going to be one of the best. The presence of the desert means that the East is seen more or less as a deathtrap to large armies marching across it. What few worries the people have there is any sort of raiders from the fringes, to be met with more decentralized retaliations. The river would be sort of like the Amazon or Nile, with development focused along the banks. The rest of the land is probably running as diverted from the freshwater river. Trade is going to be huge, as are colonies for the expanding population. My mentality is that they try to get along with everyone, barring the occasional 'crusade' when necessary to establish some kind of 'moral order'. The one big problem will be that there are no 'levee en mass' armies, because I sure don't seem to need them at the moment.

So I guess I will just play nice with everyone and bide my time, much like I do with other rps as Crownguard, heh. So long my Missionaries or traders aren't massacred, it should be all right.

I also suggest some limits on the political systems in use. A 'Peoples Republic'? Seems rather...communist ;)
While thats fine and dandy, its not exactly Napoleonic in flavor. MAYBE a Republic, or even a limited democracy, but I dont think waving the Red Banner and shouting "Viva La Revolucion!" goes well with marching in line and bayonetting each other en masse.

I realised that. I changed it in the other thread to the United Kingdom of Alversia, but no one noticed.

Musselburgh, what did you have in mind? I'd say your claim is pretty secure, being a small-ish nation and all. Invading Iceland would be kind of silly and pointless anyway :P

Something not so cold and more fertile and rewarding. If that can't be done I would settle for some good old natural resources please, any where I don't mind. ;)

EDIT:My pop in real life IS 2.793 billion! Divide that by 50 and you get 55,860,000! Honest!

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=2,793,000,000/50&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Good job with the map, when should this rp start?

this sucks. while i'm asleep or busy, you guys go on ahead and discuss...

anyway, if you can cross from the west 'pacific' to the east 'pacific', can I claim the west coast of 'north america' from that southern part of that gigantic bay to the islands area. I also would claim the eastern and western edges of that same island peninsula.

The Indonesian States has a "parliament" and each leader of a 'county' would choose a parliament leader of the state that county is in. The parliament would then choose a man (or woman. Though there were many more men) and he would be the leader.

Greal has a 200,000 strong professional army, plus another 1 million that are reserves and militia that are also well trained.

I claim Papua, have you noted it??
I haven't seen my nation's name in there...

Edit: Oh, I have in the map. But you should post it on the 1st post about my population and colour... And will it be updated as the RP passes on??

Oh yeah, I always be late in RP because I'm very busy when you people here..........
So don't be mad when I don't post for some days, OK??

OK...its way too late here.
Please just edit your claims onto a map and I'll add them to the main map.
DO NOT use [img] tags in the thread. Just a url link to imageshack or whatever.

Just put me somewhere in Europe. Preferred color is Red or if it is already used, Green



EDIT:

Saw that both of those colors are used, i'll guess i'll use Maroon

I'm still here by the way. ;)

Map update.

If you make a factbook, give me a link in this thread and I'll post it on the first page.

So, I guess the rp will be held here

you forgot to put my "american" colonies on the map. Also, since no one is taking a part of asia, can i have the southern part as a colony?

I'm still here. I would like to claim the top of the Asian island thingy as a colony, please, DGNT. My army is just 100,000 Regulars with mostly grenadier/artillery attachments and like blah blah blah number of people available for conscription.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2...c762ca6b14.jpg

It's in the first page, BTW...
I'm in Papua/ Irian Jaya/ the big island just left of TIS

404'd!

so...this is basically like any other "Earth" but uses Napoleonic tech? interesting...i suppose i'll jump in...

Empire of Nebarri or "Empire of the Nebarri"

i would like control of Mexico and Central America

population comes out to a nice big 83,640,000

I noticed that France has 60 million people today, in the 1810s, France had 27 million people, only a third of today. Assuming we are using a third of what population we have currently....

Population site is here

http://www.populstat.info/

Haha Greal, nice try. Note that you don't have a population of 63 million. I stick with dividing by 50. Also, why do I have North Africa and the coast of South America?

Alas, it now looks as though I'm going to be too busy with RL to participate... :(

I noticed that France has 60 million people today, in the 1810s, France had 27 million people, only a third of today. Assuming we are using a third of what population we have currently....

Population site is here

http://www.populstat.info/

That would mean the two biggest nations would have a population just by themselves of around what the whole world has today, it would not work unfortunately.

Oh, and just if the area doesn't fill, I would happily expand into the Baltic. It's just Eastern Europe is rather empty, and it seems that other Empires with pops less than a quarter of my (especially the one below me, though correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm unsure who that is really) seem to have nearly as much land. I'd effectively desire, though it is all up to you, an area the size of Prussia was (roughly)...oh, and with a little tiny corner of Africa, effectively a port ;) I feel a bit of an idiot though as I keep expanding my land, so sorry for that - I tend to be indecisive in these RPs.

Link to map (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh33/hp92_2008/Map1815Wars.png)

We're sticking with divide by fifty for the population.

As to the map...I think the present country sizes are good. I'm going to add a few 'NPC' nations, though. These can be claimed or split for new claims as needed until the game starts, at which point territorial lines can only be changed by IC means.
Feel free to start colonizing
I dunno when its going to start though...I guess whenever somebody posts a topic :P

So yeah, the dark grey on the map represents states with central governments, what 19th century Europeans would define as 'civilzed' states. Everywhere else is occupied by small Khannates, tribal governments, etc. etc. etc.
Basically, this just means you cant 'expand' somewhere without having to take the land from somebody.

Keep in mind, people, if you start out with all the colonial possessions you want, not much is going to happen ICly. No drive to expand means no reason to do anything, etc.

I noticed that France has 60 million people today, in the 1810s, France had 27 million people, only a third of today.

That's closer to a half than a third.

If you don't mind, DGNT, I would like 'civilized' kingdoms by my African Colonies.

hello sorry about that i had a hard time finding this thing so do i need to re register?

Well now, I think it would be pretty clear that my nation would be expanding into South America while trading with everyone else. As it is, I intended to work on perhaps a joint project with whoever is in Span to create our version of the Strait of Gibraltar (or I might create it myself through my own land). I plan on putting some prodigious forts there and along the river so that we can tax shipping from the Mediterranean to the Atlantic.


I have a feeling I am going to be pretty rich, especially if anyone tries to expand elsewhere to the West. As for the Light Blue (Nebarri), perhaps we need to start our own trade negotiations. I really wouldn't want the only other sincere contender for S. America to get in the way. As for the natives....well a bit of selling goods for land in S. America never hurt anyone who was us (them on the other hand...)

Anyways, where is the thread to kick this off?

trade is good...

also, i was wondering if i could add that Island just to my countries east to my territory...not sure what its supposed to be...

Can't change anyone's minds

Are rifles any good?

I've been reading on Napoleon ever since Merter began the sign up thread, and I hear the French had all sorts of cavalry. I'm not sure if Lancers are effective.


My Napoleonic era army has blue uniforms and dark green for riflemen. (Though there are around 3,000 riflemen in the whole Greal army)

Napoleonic times...as Skirmishing weapons yes...not so good on the line

The primary issue with rifles is their rate of fire and expense. They can only fire at about 1/3 the speed of a musket, and are very expensive to make. They require real craftsmen at this point, even though machine tooling DOES exist, you still have to have a lot of skill to do it right.

Lancers are very effective. Theyre mostly used if you need to charge against formed infantry. Lances have a better reach than bayonettes.

Wait? So is me in here:http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1146/papuaetnapeleonictimeshh2.th.png (http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=papuaetnapeleonictimeshh2.png) ?


if not? Then where are me??

Thats you.

Can I also have the big island in the middle of the North Atlantic? I think thats "Iceland" or "Ireland". If this is alright, can Nova Scotia be added to my "empire" also?

Merter or Honako need a different color.....

who are all thesse new people??? Crownguard, Nebarri_Prime? when did they join this RP?

The Indonesian States has only 800 riflemen (the Atch'eh regiment) and there are only a few horses. We have a medium-sized army, which are good in all types of warfare, but the navy is one of the best in the world. the Indonesian States uses a mixture of Asian Junks and European Sailing Ships.

Java_Minang: want to be allies instead of enemies? I guess no one is really paying any attention to the Empire Alliance or the Confederate Alliance...

Should we start this soon or what?

umm...why is north africa and the coast of south america mine? no one answered me last time i asked that.

Grael, and everybody else asking for colonies, no more changes to the map will be made except via IC means, as the RP has started.

Indonesian states, theyre not yours. Theyre different shades of green. MSpaint only has so many colors.

ok then ill just redo my thing

Nation name:German zerabithea
Population:1,500,000 (my real pop is way to high :) )
Alliance:the Confederate Alliance

also id like the weird blob (which i think is Australia) in the pacific

Your population comes out to about 22 million, German zerabithea. Please read the front page for that sort of information.
Anyway, you mean the one south of Java and Indonesia's claims? That, in its former life, was Greenland. Australia got fused into Africa.

who are all thesse new people??? Crownguard, Nebarri_Prime? when did they join this RP?

The Indonesian States has only 800 riflemen (the Atch'eh regiment) and there are only a few horses. We have a medium-sized army, which are good in all types of warfare, but the navy is one of the best in the world. the Indonesian States uses a mixture of Asian Junks and European Sailing Ships.

Java_Minang: want to be allies instead of enemies? I guess no one is really paying any attention to the Empire Alliance or the Confederate Alliance...

Should we start this soon or what?


I applied back on the second page. If you do have a problem with it, please let me know.


Anyways, I suppose a link would be most useful as to the forum or thread where this will in fact be taking place?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550171
Thats the thread I made for my little war with that nation east of me.

For other threads...
Just include Napoleonic Earth in the title, or something.

Actually, thinking about it, a unique tag for our threads would be a good idea.
Something like [NSNE] thats long enough to let it be searched.

So yeah, from now on, please add [NSNE] to the title of your threads so that they can all be brought up with the search function.

can i get the place that looks like Somalia, Ethiopia, and whats left of India then?

no, i dont have a problem, crownguard. I was just wondering where you came from, cause ive never seen your posts.

no, i dont have a problem, crownguard. I was just wondering where you came from, cause ive never seen your posts.


I go back a very long time in rp, but I took a hiatus for a year or two because I just got bored. I would update but after so many generations of war roleplaying and diplomatic incidents, it was rather redundant. Basically, if you want to compare stats, using outside programs like ThirdGeek which auto-rate nations are useful. As for roleplaying...I am willing if someone wants to. I don't want to start the first post, but if you want to interact with my empire, I would be happy to pick up on it. Basic things are that it is highly advanced and cultured, with a very large Navy. The state religion is Orthodox/Coptic Christianity, with a sizable minority of Muslims in the nation (protected) and some numerous gnostic sects. In this, they are somewhat at odds with the claims of the other very large empire *cough* regarding representation of the True Faith and the like. I think in this world Islam would have had a bit more trouble expanding West, due to the large desert region that fills up much of the African-type continent. In that case, the terrain is not suitable for large militaries.

Actually, I am considering whether a form of Zoroasterianism would be more intriguing to roleplay out. I'm not sure yet.

The military is more spent on expansion in the 'native' regions and thus is much more akin to dealing with skirmishes rather than the mass armies of the Napoleonic times. Thus far, it seeks to maintain trade ties with all nations and generally grows rich doing so. Access to the Atlantic from the Mediterranean is more or less controlled by the Corvinian Empire.

I hope that helps.

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/?nation=Crownguard

can i get the place that looks like Somalia, Ethiopia, and whats left of India then?

If you claim those areas, there is a decent chance we could come into conflict. As it is, the giant desert would separate us, but troop movements would cause a retaliation. Access to the river is vital for the Corvinian Empire.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550234
My war against the 'Hostiles' (similar to Zulus, althoug they weren't in my approximate area in africa)in my African Colony. The Island off the coast of Afroca with the Big Lake is where it is at.

Heres my factbook
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550242

Java_Minang: want to be allies instead of enemies? I guess no one is really paying any attention to the Empire Alliance or the Confederate Alliance...



OK Ok...
We should united against foul infidels of the West!!
Wait, your Indus Nesos also islamic too? Aren't they?

OK Ok...
We should united against foul infidels of the West!!
Wait, your Indus Nesos also islamic too? Aren't they?

Aboit Half, the other half is hindu. See my factbook for more. If you like, search [NSNE] and find 'Africa' That's my thread.

My factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13473082#post13473082

So, do you agree? TIS?
I am Agree...
Hey, we've an advantages! We could comunicate with Bahasa Indonesia! The foe don't know that! Even if they're spying...
This is so becoming like diplomacy "Huahuahua!!"

We all should make armies, and divisions, so we could keep track of them in the upcoming war.
Do the population able to change? Like, now I am 6 millions, I, for instance, has a birth rate of 6.5 %, so the next RL day my pop should be , eh, 6 Millions 390,000.

If our population doesn't adding up, we all will perished (espesially us, the small country) from the attration war (Even the big can just, eh, launcing wave after wave of attacks, then our pop who can fight would perished!)

java, it looks like your army is WAY too large. 500,000 is 10% of your 5 0r 6 million...(this is in your factbook)

I think in this world Islam would have had a bit more trouble expanding West, due to the large desert region that fills up much of the African-type continent. In that case, the terrain is not suitable for large militaries.





Actually, Islam can prevail in Africa and beyond because of trouble the desert get into the early christian baptizer. So that would means Africa should be a shamanistic continent (well, at least the central, and western of it) *gasp* Would this new religion can make it's way to the Asia, Europe, and beyond? (Because in our world, the one who forced its ways to other lands only Islam, and Christians)

Oh yeah, than how much it should be?
But, interesting enough, If I employ the law in the early Islamic, (well, in Madinah, when Muhammad SAW still fighting the Quraisy) that says in extreme conditions all men able-bodied older than 15 is required to fight, then I can fulfilled the quota.
Anyway, if I make it 200.000 active and 300.000 reserve, would it be acceptable?

And due to Islamic general advantages, their morale are higher than most armies in general conditions. Does this is acceptable? (Don't sue me on this, as in most games, and realistically, the Muslim armies are nearly always on high morales, from it's dawn to now..)

Oh yeah, than how much it should be?
But, interesting enough, If I employ the law in the early Islamic, (well, in Madinah, when Muhammad SAW still fighting the Quraisy) that says in extreme conditions all men able-bodied older than 15 is required to fight, then I can fulfilled the quota.
Anyway, if I make it 200.000 active and 300.000 reserve, would it be acceptable?

And due to Islamic general advantages, their morale are higher than most armies in general conditions. Does this is acceptable? (Don't sue me on this, as in most games, and realistically, the Muslim armies are nearly always on high morales, from it's dawn to now..)

200,000 active and 300,000 reserve might be slightly too large, my military has 300,000 active and 1 million reserve

Tests have shown that, even with modern materials, the Chinese repeating crossbow is not a very effecient weapon. Its got accuracy similar to a musket and nowhere near the power. In fact, its rather weak in comparison to other crossbows, because it has to be operated purely by hand.
And they probably cost more than muskets to make.

Other than the issues already mentioned, it'll be acceptable once you've finished it.

ok..............how about whats left of south America?

German Zerabithea: what are you talking about?

Java-Minang: A message

Kepala Merak,
Kami perlu pertolongan di Koloni di Afrika. Tolong kirim bantuan ke sana secepatnya sekarang.
Terima Kasih, Rajah Gaja Madah

Grael, and everybody else asking for colonies, no more changes to the map will be made except via IC means, as the RP has started.

Indonesian states, theyre not yours. Theyre different shades of green. MSpaint only has so many colors.

Firstly, I think its a tad strange to start the RP before at least the larger populated nations have created factbooks - its hard to conduct war or diplomacy without a factbook. Anyhow, may I please once again request that tiny little now "civilised" Northern-Eastern African nation. If you don't grant me this I understanding, but I did ask before the 'start' of the RP so I would really be grateful, as I need a port area there.

And secondly, I think before really starting we should have this alliance system fully explained (some may get it, but I don't really sorry) and explored and the whole setting of the RP discussed - have we just come out of a major war like in the real time, or is all just fine.

I'll have a factbook up in a little bit.

And secondly, I think before really starting we should have this alliance system fully explained (some may get it, but I don't really sorry) and explored and the whole setting of the RP discussed - have we just come out of a major war like in the real time, or is all just fine.

Personally, I suggest we scrap that alliance idea, and make our own agreements, etc. I believe this RP is supposed to revisit the war, fighting it with our NS nations, so I think that there hasn't been a war, so one of us should/could/would start one.

I agree Corbourne, I've already made an alliance with Java-Minang (called the Kepala Merak in the Napoleanic World) and we used to be on opposing sides. However, I've already made a thread about my African Colonies, which is here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550234 Join if you wish!

My factbook is here:http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550243&highlight=%5BNSNE%5D (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550243&highlight=%5BNSNE%5D)

O.K. I don't know if this is late or something but I'd like to claim (in white) that chunk of gray that I suspect is Finland (between the green and the light yellow). And I doubt if its possible but I'll go for the upper chunk of the land in the middle of Europe their. Pop is 109 million. More details to follow if necessary.

O.K. I don't know if this is late or something but I'd like to claim (in white) that chunk of gray that I suspect is Finland (between the green and the light yellow). And I doubt if its possible but I'll go for the upper chunk of the land in the middle of Europe their. Pop is 109 million. More details to follow if necessary.

'Tis not too late, but your RL pop divided by 50 is 10,960,000.

I saw this last night, and am considering joining. Currently my pop with the divide by 50 quotient is 135,640,000. Looking at the northern Alaskan/Canadian area, though not sure how large an area that would net me. (Or if the area is claimed or not.)

Looking at light-blue/teal as my map color too. =^^=

Also presuming this is based on Napoleonic Tech, along those lines. (Looking for something else to do besides waiting for my FT plot to creep along here.)

I saw this last night, and am considering joining. Currently my pop with the divide by 50 quotient is 135,640,000. Looking at the northern Alaskan/Canadian area, though not sure how large an area that would net me. (Or if the area is claimed or not.)

Looking at light-blue/teal as my map color too. =^^=

Also presuming this is based on Napoleonic Tech, along those lines. (Looking for something else to do besides waiting for my FT plot to creep along here.)

Are you sure that population is correct?

ok..............how about whats left of south America?
Youre already on the map. I put you on the place you originally requested.

I saw this last night, and am considering joining. Currently my pop with the divide by 50 quotient is 135,640,000. Looking at the northern Alaskan/Canadian area, though not sure how large an area that would net me. (Or if the area is claimed or not.)

Looking at light-blue/teal as my map color too. =^^=

Also presuming this is based on Napoleonic Tech, along those lines. (Looking for something else to do besides waiting for my FT plot to creep along here.)

You couldnt possibly support that many people in that area. I'd suggest something in 'Asia' or along the East coast of Africa.

Are you sure that population is correct?

His pop is 6 billion, so I'd say so.

Can I get a layout for the global parameters and environment, along with that Tech question, so as to better get a feel for what this world is really about? (If there's a link to an OCC thread or such, that'd help.) I just need a better feel for what's going on here before I choose and all. Yes it should be obvious, but official on the board writing will help there.

And my intent was to keep away from other nations for the early going, as a northern style Eskimo-fishing trading type nation, with a few breadbasket regions that can feed most of the population. And since so much territory is being grabbed as it is, and there 'is' more food and resources up here than most people think, (Game, seal, crab, fish (fresh and salt,) etc..,) having the majority of Alaska to east coast Canada, with most the populations along the costs, southern climes, and river runs and channels, 'would' make the population feasible, if hardy. (Russia essentially existed the same way in the Napoleonic time period, if you ignore the mini-ice age period that caused the winter that decimated Napoleon's forces of infamous note. )

If this is is all about just throwing around armies and look cool doing it, then we're shortchanging the possibilities here. Plus a start here, and then a 'push' to claim southern Ohio-Midwest region breadbaskets would work, if given a chance. I'm not looking to be overly aggressive anyway as a Napoleonic nation here.

But I need to know for certain what tech levels and advancements were dealing with here. I presume at least galleons and clippers and such old world sailers that can also be whalers and fishing vessels. Timber sure wouldn't be meek in this area, and an Eskimo 'themed' Napoleonic military, would be an interesting sight, at least.

At least that's my 'defending' takes on all this. =^^= The details can be fleshed out in further rps and such as needed/warranted.

Heres my factbook
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550242

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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550274

Unfinished Factbook

Wow, I see you guys did a great job so far.

Seems like Dontgonearthere is messing with a neighbor.........

........... ok

Can I get a layout for the global parameters and environment, along with that Tech question, so as to better get a feel for what this world is really about? (If there's a link to an OCC thread or such, that'd help.) I just need a better feel for what's going on here before I choose and all. Yes it should be obvious, but official on the board writing will help there.

And my intent was to keep away from other nations for the early going, as a northern style Eskimo-fishing trading type nation, with a few breadbasket regions that can feed most of the population. And since so much territory is being grabbed as it is, and there 'is' more food and resources up here than most people think, (Game, seal, crab, fish (fresh and salt,) etc..,) having the majority of Alaska to east coast Canada, with most the populations along the costs, southern climes, and river runs and channels, 'would' make the population feasible, if hardy. (Russia essentially existed the same way in the Napoleonic time period, if you ignore the mini-ice age period that caused the winter that decimated Napoleon's forces of infamous note. )

If this is is all about just throwing around armies and look cool doing it, then we're shortchanging the possibilities here. Plus a start here, and then a 'push' to claim southern Ohio-Midwest region breadbaskets would work, if given a chance. I'm not looking to be overly aggressive anyway as a Napoleonic nation here.

But I need to know for certain what tech levels and advancements were dealing with here. I presume at least galleons and clippers and such old world sailers that can also be whalers and fishing vessels. Timber sure wouldn't be meek in this area, and an Eskimo 'themed' Napoleonic military, would be an interesting sight, at least.

At least that's my 'defending' takes on all this. =^^= The details can be fleshed out in further rps and such as needed/warranted.

I'm not going to make a ruling on your claims or validity, since I'm not Dontgonearthere, but, if it makes you feel any better, I don't have a problem with them.

That said, our tech is roughly equivalent to that of 1800. Rifles are in use, but only in very limited quantities, usually reserved for skirmishers and sharpshooters. It would still be the Age of Sail, as there is not really any steam technology yet.

If somebody else is willing, please take over the claims and such. A new thread might be required or something, but meh...
I'm just feeling kind of out of it right now.

I've been thinking that all the asian/south african nations make an alliance. If we do that, we could trade, and eventually invade...europe?:D

ummm...just wondering, but where is everyone?

I'm still here and are working on a fact-book by the way. ;)

k, i was just wondering cause no one posted anything since i posted this morning (i'm +4 GMT, its 8:00PM here now).

If no one's claimed this yet, can I have the island of Jamaica?

Or whatever is closest because I can't read that map. @_@

Nation name: The Royal Colony of Port Victoria
Population: 65 million.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550242

My factbook..........

O.K. I'm formally registering. I'd like to be white, cliam the remaining chunks of Europe and I have (sorry about earlier miscalculation- I don't do maths anymore for a good reason :confused:) just over ten million people.
The country is Livonia. Its a monarchy in the same style as the Holy Roman Emperor. A small council of nobles (of the rank of Duke or above) electing a king from an even smaller number of more senior princes (of which there are three as well as the old king's nominated sucessor).
Our army is small but professional and we're working to seriously increase rifle production and quality for our army.

Oh, yeah and is it just me or is there a problem with nationstates.net today?

Sorry people, I just go out (School activities,,, again :headbang:) at yesterday and today (Sunday) to Bandung, and I can't find a warnet! (TIS will know what I meant ;))

Anyway, I am WITH the Afro-Asian alliance to invade, eh, Europe:sniper:

And, TIS, I'll help ya!

Can I get an official aye or nay on my claims before I do anything? Don't want to do stuff that isn't official.

And who owns all the dark gray areas, just to be sure? =oo=

Actually, Islam can prevail in Africa and beyond because of trouble the desert get into the early christian baptizer. So that would means Africa should be a shamanistic continent (well, at least the central, and western of it) *gasp* Would this new religion can make it's way to the Asia, Europe, and beyond? (Because in our world, the one who forced its ways to other lands only Islam, and Christians)

What I meant is that the large desert made it difficult for armies to actually cross in a large and organized fashion. In that sense the appeal to the western part of Africa was done more by missionary work. In this setting, my Empire is supposed to be based on the remnants of the Christian Church that had expanded westward at a faster pace than before. The arrival of Islam into the mix has made it a competition of sorts, though the larger desert of this map setting meant I put it as the Islamic expansion was slowed considerably. The native population of the region is of the Maghreb, as well as remnants of the Phoenician/Carthaginian peoples that never fell to Rome.

As for activity: Sorry, but I am working on my thesis for the next week or two intensively. My activity will of course suffer as a result.

Yeah, but in logical sense, unnative desert people (your missionary) would be slowed down, not the Arabs (Whose name means, desert...) who is native to desert.

In my opinion, if it's all desert, the explorer of Arabic world would reach the places faster than their european counterpart...

Yeah, but in logical sense, unnative desert people (your missionary) would be slowed down, not the Arabs (Whose name means, desert...) who is native to desert.

In my opinion, if it's all desert, the explorer of Arabic world would reach the places faster than their european counterpart...

what crownguard is trying to say is that it is a BIGGER desert, so it would be a little more difficult for the Arabs...am I right?

Sorry for the delay in posting, been busy with other matters. I was going to have my kingdom try to control the two straights on each side of me, as i'm the island between 'egypt' and the 'middle east'. if there is a certain thread i should get into, please let me know.

what crownguard is trying to say is that it is a BIGGER desert, so it would be a little more difficult for the Arabs...am I right?

Yes, this is essentially accurate. In addition, Christianity had an influence in Northern Africa for many hundreds of years, so the region *would* be Christian Arab and Phoenician, along with native tribes that converted.

Oh Ok...

Edit: however, the Muslims will still have influences in the eastern Africa. And maybe with they can't constrated
on africa, they will invade Asia, Europa, and the South-Western Islands earlier. Maybe 900 AD?

Islam didn't come to indonesia until the mid 1400's, so maybe Islam might have slowed down in this fantasy map (assuming that Islam came from 'Arabia' in this map). And true, Christianity was actually growing in the north Africa area, because the Roman Empire ruled North Africa.(at least, I think Christianity was there).

Europa was completely devoted to Christ by the time Islam started, so they would probably expand more into Asia, like China and Siberia

If the land road fails, they'll use Water. That means my lands, and yours, are islamized earlier than Indonesia in RL

If the land road fails, they'll use Water. That means my lands, and yours, are islamized earlier than Indonesia in RL



I've read a number of articles arguing that ships were mostly used for raids on wealthier cities, not to transport troops at that time. Like I said I have nothing against Islam being in the area, but I don't believe it would look like it does in rl at this point in time. The geography and hence, history is somewhat different. It's Earth-like, not Earth itself.

Nah, they are most often used as Traders. There was little, if almost none, pirates in our area of water... For most of the time.
Anyway, because it is final, at least Islam has gone to my island and TIS' islands...

umm...no pirates in Indonesia? Buginese were mostly pirates, you know. The europeans were so scared of them that they created the bogeyman legend. So, sorry Java-Minang, but Crownguard is right. Kepala Merak could be an Islamic Emirate, Sultanate, or whatever, but it would be fairly new.

Hmm. Yeah, but they are in Sulawesi, not in the West Indonesia. I'm talking mostly about there, as I am live there, originated there, and still there.

Sorry for my bad spelling.

Alright, if this thing is still open, I would very much like to join.

So, to submit a registration-thingy...

I will be playing as the Pudite Empire, under the Jilang Dynasty, (which is technically the same as my modern nation, just technologically behind...) which has a population of 149,240,000 right now.

I don't know how much more information I should give, so I'll ramble for a few more sentences; the Pudite Empire under the Jilang Dynasty has made significant changes from the previous few thousand years of foreign rule under the Pergrini Dynasty; reverting to more traditional rule, this has created an archaic bureaucracy, held up by peasants' support of the popular transversal of power away from the Pergrini Emperors. These peasants have not yet learned why the Pergrini made the changes they did - soon, they will understand the brutal system they themselves set upon themselves, and more and more brutal methods will be necessary to maintain control...

The Jilang army is a force of conscripts, their navy; a force of maritime raiders paid to fight for national defense when required. Technologically, they are not behind, as in government, this is because of the years the Pudite Empire spent beneath the Pergrini.

Now, however, they are unlikely to make too many advances on their own, because although they are a historically advanced society, this throwback is only as advanced as it was before, plus the contributions of the previous government.

In any case, the Jilang Dynasty of the Pudite Empire is ready to face what comes, for better or for worse.

(?) on the end of the larger one, specifically, the left one, with all of it's little islands. Expanding from that base, I would obviously like as much land as possible, with preferences towards expanding to the east, and as far north as that sea in the center of the continent]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550430

Go there. I know this thread was bumped higher, but that is the one we now use. I'll be happy to approve your claim, but we're having map-editing issues right now, so I can't promise you'll be shown immediately.

I'ma just gonna re-post my registration request over there, and change out my subscriptions, to keep myself in the right thread...

Works for me.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=550430

Go there. I know this thread was bumped higher, but that is the one we now use. I'll be happy to approve your claim, but we're having map-editing issues right now, so I can't promise you'll be shown immediately.

I'ma just gonna re-post my registration request over there, and change out my subscriptions, to keep myself in the right thread...