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The Confederacy of Scandinvan Protectorates Discussion Thread (Closed, MT)

The Scandinvans
16-02-2008, 22:41
OOC: Due to Mokastana’s questions I have decided to open a thread where general questions can be asked about the Protectorates and where discussions can happen.

If you want to join go here.;)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=545438
Mokastana
16-02-2008, 23:00
OOC: sweet!

IC:

TO: The Nations of The Confederacy of Scandinvan Protectorates
FROM: Adam Jackson, President of Mokastana

I am allowing for military training and or stations to be set up on the mainland of Mokastana, if you are interested, please respond. We have numerous island and miles of desert in Mejico

Thank you
The Scandinvans
16-02-2008, 23:11
The Scandinvan Empire would be interested in training a number of soldiers in the rather unique conditions of your Mejico desert, so as to give a number of Imperial soldiers experince in fighting in those conditions.

Signed,
Imperial Steward Erida
Mokastana
16-02-2008, 23:26
FROM: President Adam Jackson
TO: Imperial Steward Erida

You are more then welcome to set up a training base. We will send you a map of Mokastana and you can decide where you would like your base to be set up at.

map (http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff213/mokastana/mokanempire-1.gif?t=1203200459)

this map is older but will still serve these purposes, we request that you stay away from major cities in Mejico and show proper respect for local farmers. Not only out of respect but because we are not sure of what armaments are still owned by locals. Many have full automatic rifles and AT weapons while the small villages may even have older APCs and AT guns. whether or not they are in working order is another story.

However it is not hard to stay on their good side, introduce your units and offer to be of assistance to the locals if they need it.
The Scandinvans
16-02-2008, 23:41
We thank you for the offer and we shall take you up on it, but due to the fact that we are training mostly speciliast soldiers in the region only roughly eighty thousand will recieve training there every year, with only forty thousand there at a time due to sixth month training regiment given to special units. As well, we shall keep the soldiers away from the cities, though when on leave they shall be allowed to enter them if that it alright and to note they will be subject to your nation's laws and punishments.

Regarding any local farmers we might encounter we shall try to stay at leasty three hundred meters away from any residence and we shall stay off any farmland, unless given consent by the farmers.

Signed,
Imperial Steward,
Lord Erida
Yanitaria
16-02-2008, 23:53
The USSY would be willing to have a base exchange with Mokstana, and any other confederacy nations.

OOC: I'd prefer if any confederate nations had their bases in RL Turkey. My map is in my sig, for those interested. Not, the areas of Thracia and pretty much every thing west of new London, aside from the islands, are cliffs and mountainous terrain, with very narrow roads. The areas east of New London are totally suitable, though.
Mokastana
16-02-2008, 23:53
FROM: Adam Jackson
TO: Imperial Steward, Lord Erida

Your soldiers are more then welcome to the cities, after all soldiers spending money helps the economy. We only request distance for the cities for the sake of not disturbing the general population with training exercises. All other details are very agreeable, though you may find Mokan Laws to be rather lax under the categories of drugs and prostitution, however crimes against others are dealt with methods most nations may frown upon. If you would like further explanation we can send you proper rules and regulations for foreign nationals on visa or government work.

Thank you
Mokastana
16-02-2008, 23:58
The USSY would be willing to have a base exchange with Mokstana, and any other confederacy nations.

OOC: I'd prefer if any confederate nations had their bases in RL Turkey. My map is in my sig, for those interested. Not, the areas of Thracia and pretty much every thing west of new London, aside from the islands, are cliffs and mountainous terrain, with very narrow roads. The areas east of New London are totally suitable, though.

OOC: how did you get an image like that?

IC:

Very well, we shall exchanged bases with you and put a training base west of New london
The Scandinvans
17-02-2008, 00:26
FROM: Adam Jackson
TO: Imperial Steward, Lord Erida

Your soldiers are more then welcome to the cities, after all soldiers spending money helps the economy. We only request distance for the cities for the sake of not disturbing the general population with training exercises. All other details are very agreeable, though you may find Mokan Laws to be rather lax under the categories of drugs and prostitution, however crimes against others are dealt with methods most nations may frown upon. If you would like further explanation we can send you proper rules and regulations for foreign nationals on visa or government work.

Thank youAs long as we do not consider the punishments overtly harsh there should be no problem, such as we believe cruel punishments, whipping and branding, are barbaric for example, we have no problem with the use of the death penatly on murderers and their like.
Mokastana
17-02-2008, 00:37
Barbaric practices are not allowed, however chain gangs and voluntary gladitorial combat are acceptable forms of punishment here. All depending on the severity of the crimes, the only ones who must to gladiatorial combat are rapist and child molesters. Something not many object to in our nation.
Mokastana
17-02-2008, 00:52
OOC: LOL yep to bad we don't have a big crime rate, then we could really make money off of it
The Scandinvans
17-02-2008, 00:55
Barbaric practices are not allowed, however chain gangs and voluntary gladitorial combat are acceptable forms of punishment here. All depending on the severity of the crimes, the only ones who must to gladiatorial combat are rapist and child molesters. Something not many object to in our nation.OOC: Wonder why.:p

IC: Those terms are agreeable to the Scandinvan Empire.
Yanitaria
17-02-2008, 02:48
OOC: how did you get an image like that?

IC:

Very well, we shall exchanged bases with you and put a training base west of New london

OOC: Google earth and photoshop.

IC: Would you happen to have an area with dense jungle? We would like to build a training base there.
Mokastana
17-02-2008, 06:12
OOC: ok then, time to make a better map

IC:

Ex-Guatemala is more then effective for your bases...that would put you around the city of Santa Villa. However there are local mercenaries, they for the most part will leave you alone, unless paid to mess with you, but on the flip side you can always pay them for additional "security"
The Scandinvans
17-02-2008, 06:40
The Scandinvan Empire would like for someone from one of the various other members states of the Confederacy to design a flag for the Confederacy.

For this the sum of ten million dollars shall be offered as a reward to them, and for them to surrender the right to production of the flag to the Confederacy.
The Scandinvans
17-02-2008, 22:16
OOC: ok then, time to make a better map

IC:

Ex-Guatemala is more then effective for your bases...that would put you around the city of Santa Villa. However there are local mercenaries, they for the most part will leave you alone, unless paid to mess with you, but on the flip side you can always pay them for additional "security"Noting your country's continued instability the Scandinvan Empire would like to know if your nation requires monetary or military assitance in helping to return order to your country.
Mokastana
18-02-2008, 04:44
OOC: its only been four civil wars and two insurections...i think

IC:

As of now we do not need any assistance, we are doing fine.


Thank you
The Scandinvans
18-02-2008, 05:09
OOC: its only been four civil wars and two insurections...i think

IC:

As of now we do not need any assistance, we are doing fine.


Thank youQuite good, but do you have any suggestions for a Confederate flag.
Mokastana
18-02-2008, 21:08
hmmm, what is the symbol of The Scandinvans, for Mokastana it is the red star, perhaps we could incorporate the concepts of each nation into one flag...
The Scandinvans
19-02-2008, 02:59
hmmm, what is the symbol of The Scandinvans, for Mokastana it is the red star, perhaps we could incorporate the concepts of each nation into one flag...Here is the more traditonal flag of the Scandinvan Empire.

http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=navalflagqz2.png
Yanitaria
19-02-2008, 03:54
I think we should go simple, and find something that represents national unity.
Mokastana
21-02-2008, 17:07
any idea like what?
The Scandinvans
24-02-2008, 08:41
Examples are nice.
Mokastana
28-02-2008, 22:26
The Scandinvans check TGs
The Scandinvans
28-02-2008, 22:39
The Scandinvans check TGsReplied.
Mokastana
28-02-2008, 22:47
Has anything like this happened before?
The Scandinvans
28-02-2008, 22:52
Has anything like this happened before?Yeap.
Yanitaria
29-02-2008, 02:38
I would like to offer all Scandinvan Protectorates cheap steel, agricultural products, and weapons, if they choose to buy them.

Akimonad seems to have lost interest in invading me.
The Scandinvans
02-03-2008, 04:36
I would like to offer all Scandinvan Protectorates cheap steel, agricultural products, and weapons, if they choose to buy them.

Akimonad seems to have lost interest in invading me.Well that is quite good as now I no longer have to worry about going to war.
Mokastana
02-03-2008, 05:43
Steel for Bananas?

or drugs(pharmaceuticals....or drugs)
The Scandinvans
02-03-2008, 05:50
Does anyone have any ideas for a flag?
Yanitaria
02-03-2008, 05:54
Steel for Bananas?

or drugs(pharmaceuticals....or drugs)

Well we could use some bananas. We make our own drugs though (pharmaceuticals... and drugs).

Seriously though, tropical fruit would be nice.

Scand: As for the flag, how about a UN flag, but with charcoal grey as the background, and the star thingy in a sorta goldish color?
Mokastana
02-03-2008, 06:27
ok then, tropical fruit for steel, how about exchange in wieght, for every pound of fruit we get a pound of steel?
Yanitaria
02-03-2008, 06:55
I'd rather just do it as an exchange of discounted market value.

So if steel in Yanitaria sells for $X per kg internationally, I'll give you $X-30% (30% being the discount) in steel for $X-30% worth of your fruit.

That way if steel or fruit goes up in market value nobody ends up losing massive amounts of money. Also, if, say, I need more fruit than you need steel, it allows me to simply pay for the fruit with cash.

That made a lot more sense in my head.
The Scandinvans
02-03-2008, 06:56
Scand: As for the flag, how about a UN flag, but with charcoal grey as the background, and the star thingy in a sorta goldish color?Sure, yet thinking of it would the stars and bars be suitable?
Mokastana
02-03-2008, 07:06
yeah that trade sounds good, I am half asleep, so i probably shouldnt even be making trades anyway...but i like your concept...

as for the flag, sounds good, have we exchanged embassies?
Yanitaria
02-03-2008, 09:56
Sure, yet thinking of it would the stars and bars be suitable?

I've got no problem with it, sounds good to me.
Mokastana
02-03-2008, 18:40
we should get an RP together or something...just to get some action going on
The Scandinvans
18-03-2008, 00:49
Anyone want to make a flag?
Mokastana
18-03-2008, 01:12
still want it UN based?
The Scandinvans
18-03-2008, 01:20
still want it UN based?Sure, save there should be individual symbols for each member state instead of a flag of the globe.
Mokastana
18-03-2008, 01:25
ok then what are the symbols? I assume Me, YOu, and Yanitaria, who else is there?
Mokastana
18-03-2008, 01:27
also, this is my first attempt at photoshop, so we shall see how it goes.
The Scandinvans
18-03-2008, 01:36
ok then what are the symbols? I assume Me, YOu, and Yanitaria, who else is there?Yeah, as we are the main members, and one star for every other member of the Confederacy.
Mokastana
18-03-2008, 01:47
this is what i got so far...

flag (http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff213/mokastana/ScadflagA.jpg?t=1205801174)


and how many members do we have?
The Scandinvans
18-03-2008, 02:18
12 if you count us three.
Mokastana
18-03-2008, 02:32
what are the symbols
The Scandinvans
18-03-2008, 02:36
what are the symbolsWell, to be fair I would simply want one star in the center and that is be encicrled by eleven other stars.
Mokastana
18-03-2008, 03:10
ok options:


PS: I hate photoshop now, not a good thing to learn when half asleep


http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff213/mokastana/?action=view&current=ScadflagA2.jpg


http://s241.photobucket.com/albums/ff213/mokastana/?action=view&current=ScadflagBcopy.jpg

forgive me if parts are off centered, I am no professional...as i said, this was my first photoshop job
The Scandinvans
18-03-2008, 03:20
Flag and thank you for making and it looks good: http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scadflagbcopyuc5.jpg
Mokastana
18-03-2008, 03:25
so simple....and yet so high a learning curve..photoshop...
The Scandinvans
18-03-2008, 03:31
so simple....and yet so high a learning curve..photoshop...You are speaking the truth.
Mokastana
18-03-2008, 03:34
well, that was a nice way to way working the desk...so, the Mokan army is being pulled thin, we are involved in Greal, Juventud, and now Rithian two are about to become major conflicts....

how is your side of the world?
The Scandinvans
18-03-2008, 03:47
well, that was a nice way to way working the desk...so, the Mokan army is being pulled thin, we are involved in Greal, Juventud, and now Rithian two are about to become major conflicts....

how is your side of the world?My nation has a massive defensive budget that can be utilized for a war so if you need help just ask.:p
Mokastana
18-03-2008, 03:52
how massive is massive?
Uraartu
18-03-2008, 03:55
Hello, all. It looks like I'm the newest member of the Confederacy...
Mokastana
18-03-2008, 04:05
welcome amigo, we have a flag now.....and apparently his defense budget is 7 times mine....so anything you need? or can offer? nothing like trade to get things rolling
The Scandinvans
18-03-2008, 04:08
how massive is massive?$70,520,256,974,687.55 compared to your $10,952,800,647,505.92.
Mokastana
18-03-2008, 04:14
damn, now i need to find a way to spend 92 cents....really what would cost exactly .92 cents over...anyways, thats my sarcastic remark of the night
Uraartu
18-03-2008, 04:23
Well, I must say that I am just floored by the Scandinvans $70 trillion defense budget compared to my measly $6.5 billion. No, as of right now I don't need anything, though don't be suprised if I come knocking in a day or two. Actually, I was wondering if the Confederacy was involved in any incidents currently.
Mokastana
18-03-2008, 04:27
look up Mokastana, we are in Greal, Rithian, Juventud(reconquest of lost territory) and Alfegos.

other then that i do not know...
The Scandinvans
18-03-2008, 04:37
Well, I must say that I am just floored by the Scandinvans $70 trillion defense budget compared to my measly $6.5 billion. No, as of right now I don't need anything, though don't be suprised if I come knocking in a day or two. Actually, I was wondering if the Confederacy was involved in any incidents currently.Do not worry most nations do not like to deal with the prolonged war with nations my size over nations as small as yours, unless if they are Blackhelm.
Mokastana
18-03-2008, 04:42
blackhelm...that guy is insane....just don't go into the oil business
Mokastana
18-03-2008, 04:52
if you want to start a military i can sell you some excess stuff from mokastana,

we have updated our army and have thousands of extra weapons...

10,000 Mi-24 Hind - $3 Million USD
10,000 T-90S MBT for $2 million USD
2,000 Mikoyan MiG-29 for $10 million USD
Uraartu
18-03-2008, 04:57
I think I'll take you up on that offer, though I'll make it official tomorrow as I'm fixing to log off and go to bed
Mokastana
18-03-2008, 04:58
ok then...
The Scandinvans
18-03-2008, 05:01
Night to you all.
The Scandinvans
20-03-2008, 02:30
if you want to start a military i can sell you some excess stuff from mokastana,

we have updated our army and have thousands of extra weapons...

10,000 Mi-24 Hind - $3 Million USD
10,000 T-90S MBT for $2 million USD
2,000 Mikoyan MiG-29 for $10 million USDAnd to think one nation left the Confederacy.;)
Mokastana
20-03-2008, 02:31
who left?
The Scandinvans
20-03-2008, 02:34
who left?Shansekia.
Uraartu
20-03-2008, 02:35
I didn't leave if your referring to me...
Uraartu
20-03-2008, 02:37
Oh, by the way Mokastana, I'll go ahead and purchase that equipment you were offering to sell me. Is the price tag still US$15 million? That's quite a deal...
Mokastana
20-03-2008, 02:41
actually, it was apiece, but really I just plan on getting rid of the equipment, but I'm sure we can come up with something...
The Scandinvans
20-03-2008, 02:43
I didn't leave if your referring to me...No worries as I not referring to you, but to Shansekia.
Uraartu
20-03-2008, 02:46
Unfortunately, for some reason I can't access any budget calculator to find out my defense budget, but I know for sure that it higher than that $6.5 billion figure that I provided earlier (I just don't know by how much)
Uraartu
20-03-2008, 02:47
No worries as I not referring to you, but to Shansekia.

Ah, all cleared up. Did this nation simply fade away or was there an IC reason for leaving?
The Scandinvans
20-03-2008, 02:50
Ah, all cleared up. Did this nation simply fade away or was there an IC reason for leaving?IC reason.
Mokastana
20-03-2008, 02:54
the Nationstates website is moving so no one can, i tried earlier....

all budgets are down...

so how many of each did you want, given your nation Pop is 16 million, the regular army size is 1% so that would be 160,000, though if you were going for 4% then 640,000. Divide that up into divisions and all....

do you want help organizing your army...

check my factbook (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=551543) to see mine
Uraartu
20-03-2008, 03:14
Any help on organizing my military would be greatly appreciated. I think staying around 2% would be ideal for now, so that comes out to about 320,000. Rather than keep you bothered, I should probably study up on those stickied pages on military management.
Mokastana
20-03-2008, 03:30
if you want my help Im cool with helping you if you need it...
The Scandinvans
20-03-2008, 03:34
if you want my help Im cool with helping you if you need it...Do you need any military help in your various conflicts?
Mokastana
20-03-2008, 03:43
Currently Juventud is closing up as a massive allied force in converging in, Greal is having peace talks and the navies have stopped shooting eachother, ALfegos hasnt blown up yet and the Rithian revolution may need some help, pop 600 million and I am deploying forces, we are taking a city now

here is the link (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=551940)
Uraartu
20-03-2008, 05:30
if you want my help Im cool with helping you if you need it...

Thanks. For the time being, this represents a basic outline of my military, though personnel are interchangeable between certain divisions. So, in essence, all that really needs to be considered when assigning combat personnel are the Ground Forces, Naval Forces, Aerospace Forces, and Frontier & Border Patrol Forces.

The Coast Guard is made up of Naval Forces personnel, though under the command of an independent Admiral answering directly to the Supreme Commander of the UIRAF. The Disaster and Emergency Command Forces are called together only in times of disaster and emergencies, so they are only semi-permanent. The Elite SpecOps are also made up of combat personnel pulled from the the GR, AS, and NV. Military Intelligence as well as Research & Development are made up of non-combat personnel and civilians.

Since the Ground Forces will undoubtedly form the bulk of my military (as it would most militaries, I would presume) I guess it would take up about 200,000 of my combat personnel. Though that does seem like an awefully small number, I could always boost the percentage of my military from 2% to 3%, coming to around 480,000 with 300,000 to the Ground Forces, 120,000 to the Navy, and the rest to the Aerospace Forces. Does this sound reasonable to you?

Uraartu Imperial & Royal Armed Forces (UIRAF)
Ground Forces (UIRAF-GR)
Aerospace Forces (UIRAF-AS)
Missile Command Agency (inactive at present)
Naval Forces (UIRAF-NV)
Coast Guard (UIRAF-CG)
Disaster & Emergency Command Forces (UIRAF-DEC)
Frontier & Border Patrol Forces (UIRAF-FBP)
Elite Special Operations Forces (UIRAF-SpecOps)
Military Intelligence and Reconnaissance (UIRAF-MIR)
Research & Development (UIRAF-RD)
Mokastana
20-03-2008, 06:21
I have about 22 million personnel in my total armed forces, divided as such:

Total Armed forces: 22.3 million service personnel
Army total servicemen: 12 Million
NAVY total servicemen: 7,489,740
Air force:Total Personnel: 155,700
Total Aircraft: 17,250
NATIONAL GUARD Total Personnel: 2.2 million personnel
Reserves: 2 million soldiers

The National Guard is new and therefore massively short, and my military is less then one percent, so I need to jack it up.
The Mokan army is obviously a large army, but the navy is huge because of our massive coastline(California to Peru and Florida to the top of Brazil) needs the massive amounts of forces.
Also we go for a simplistic method, so some of my ideas may be...simple, it minimizes, bureaucracy over here...

So for your forces we may need to find a way to deal with that...

Ground Forces (UIRAF-GR)
biggest branch of course, but don't forget that most of your forces are needed for logistics.

Aerospace Forces (UIRAF-AS)
air force i assume, going to need a bomber fleet, fighters, interceptors, and of course, ground crews, I work on a 5 to 1 plane for ground crews on Fighters, and 10 to 1 on Bombers, not including pilots and crews

Missile Command Agency (inactive at present)
???nuclear???

Naval Forces (UIRAF-NV)
needed, depending on nation size and shape, would you like a sub based fleet? carrier based? missile based? or dreadnought based?

Coast Guard (UIRAF-CG) see above, but probably more interceptor ships and flying radar domes, need planes and ships, and of course, dock personnel and and flight teams

Disaster & Emergency Command Forces (UIRAF-DEC)
National guard, perhaps a branch dedicated for this, but NG I would say. Have some sort of central command for it and use the NG as the manpower, therefore minimizing bureaucracy and maximizing potential.

Frontier & Border Patrol Forces (UIRAF-FBP)
Im going to say National guard again, perhaps another branch, and of course each branch will have certain vehicles and organization to fit its needs, but have both under one category so manpower is more accessible when needed

Elite Special Operations Forces (UIRAF-SpecOps)
Always a good thing, just got to come up with what makes them stand out. and are some traded for recon, hit and run, guerrilla warfare?

Military Intelligence and Reconnaissance (UIRAF-MIR)
Also needed, not my specialty, but usually good to train with Spec Ops, we do over here but you dont have to

Research & Development (UIRAF-RD)

We have a Government Bureau for that called the Mokastana Bureau of Secret Affairs, or the MBSA.
Uraartu
20-03-2008, 06:35
You added some valuable insight, thank you.

Yes, the Aerospace Forces division is the air force. I gave it that name because in the future, if I am ever able to launch satellites and operate a space program, this is the division that will handle it.

The Naval Forces I would like to be carrier based, but I just don't have the budget at the moment so that will have to wait a while. Subs are ceratinly an option, though my nation is riddled with rivers and I don't know what would be best, since those rivers provide my only access to the ocean via a lake system.

The Missile Command Agency is for all surface-to-air and surface-to-surface missiles and is responsible for maintaining the silos. Though this agency is not in business for the time being, so you can disregard it. I never plan on having a nuclear arsenal, though I am not opposed to having biological or chemical weapons (for roleplay purposes only, not as an easy way out of a fight).

The Frontier and Border Patrol as well as the Disaster and Emergency Command are going to take a backseat for now until I am able to work out the big three, Ground Forces, Naval Forces and Aerospace.

It's getting late here, so I'll talk to you tomorrow. Again, I appreciate the assistance.
Mokastana
20-03-2008, 16:04
I'll tell you what for your fleet, I will loan you 2 Empire Class Battle Carriers (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10108613&postcount=1386) free of charge, they will still be property of Mokastana, but under your command and staffed by your soldiers.


The only thing is that DMG ships are often considered "wanked" and a few older RPers don't respect them but will allow them in play. My suggestion is to just play them with the Following armament in MT below:

Armament:
--24x Firestorm Missile Launcher (Retractable below deck)
--14x Torpedo Tubes (10x Mark 48 each)
--18x MK 15 Phalanx CIWS
--15x VLS Cells
--10x Guardian Turrets(Mokan Variants replaced with Phalanx CIWS, that and I have never seen them used in RP)
--18x Dr. Hell(PMT)

Systems:
-Firestorm
-DAC
-VCCS
-APDS(sonar is needed but the DMG version is kinda messed up)
-Triad Armour (800mm)
-Guardian Turrets
-PIPD
-Dr. Hell(PMT)
-LGCS

Pretty much anything that would give you a Ungodly advantage is considered "wanked" like millions of little cameras on the outside to make it stealth to the human eye. Mainly because it is possible, but completely stupid and impractical in the real world.

as for overall, for a growing nation 3% should be good, though it is pushing it a bit assuming your economy is not strong(i cant check at the moment)

Now for the Military I prefer Lyras Arms (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=541320), they arent cheap, but they are worth every penny.

But here is an excess package that we can sell to you for dirt cheap, pay us however you can whenever you can

4,500 T-90S MBTs ($200,000 a unit/used but well maintained)
50,000 M35 Trucks
50,000 Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Truck (HEMTT)
60,000 M120 120 mm mortar
75,000 M3 Multi-Role Anti-Armor Anti-Personnel Weapon System(new) \
2,000,000 (each) M67 Fragmentation Grenades/AN-M8 White Smoke Grenades
480,000 JD .45 Caliber Pistol (JagD)
300,000 Assault rifles(pick any combo)

FN FAL
AK-74
AK-47
M16
M14
XM8
MG3 (7.62 x 51mm)

NOTE: when it comes to rifles it depends on what your average soldier will be, iif hes a peseant who first sees a gun in boot camp, I recommend the AK series for simplicity and reliablity. If he to be a trained soldier with full schooling, then the American European variants. Professional soldiers should get the best, like the XM8

total Package can be sold to you for $2,025,000,000 (two billion)
Uraartu
20-03-2008, 16:25
I'm able to check out my budget from ThirdGeek here (http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=uraartu)

I have an All-Consuming economy, GDP per capita is ~$31,000, defence budget is $18.9 billion and law and order budget is $3.7 billion.

I'll take the total package you're offering for $2 billion with around 225,000 AK-47's and the rest of the assault rifles M16's, and I'll go ahead and search Lyran Arms for some cheap stuff or packages.

Those Empire-class Battle Carriers you offered seem to be extremely expensive and I'll assume that Mokastanan personnel are assigned to assist in maintenance and whatnot while being staffed by UIRAF-NV personnel.
Mokastana
20-03-2008, 18:44
The Empire Class Carriers are worth 7 billion apiece and so we will have staff available to help you with that. 100 men a ship, as for the rest of your fleet, such as support, I don't know what we have in excess, though I was digging through my records and it turns out we have quite a few Typhoon missile subs that are kinda abused but in large quantity. How is 30 free typhoons, all they need is some maintenance work.

Good luck
Uraartu
20-03-2008, 19:00
The Empire Class Carriers are worth 7 billion apiece and so we will have staff available to help you with that. 100 men a ship, as for the rest of your fleet, such as support, I don't know what we have in excess, though I was digging through my records and it turns out we have quite a few Typhoon missile subs that are kinda abused but in large quantity. How is 30 free typhoons, all they need is some maintenance work.

Good luck

That sounds good, although I don't know if I'll have the personnel the man all of them and the battle carriers. Maintenance wouldn't be a problem, I'll just have to have the Ministry of War and Home Defense working overtime...
Uraartu
20-03-2008, 19:17
By the way, I know that Montana Inc. (or is it Montana Industries?) is involved in the Indonesian Religious Civil War and I was wondering what the official Mokan government position was in this conflict, are you neutral?
Mokastana
20-03-2008, 19:38
Montana Inc, I have another other company called Mokastana Industries but I think they need to be renamed Mokan Industries to avoid further confusion.

Officially we are staying out of it as per a peace treaty between our governments so that we can get better relations with one another. However Montana wants to expand as well...
Mokastana
20-03-2008, 19:41
That sounds good, although I don't know if I'll have the personnel the man all of them and the battle carriers. Maintenance wouldn't be a problem, I'll just have to have the Ministry of War and Home Defense working overtime...

they've been neglected for a few months so even if you scrap a few for part then that works.

For the carriers, 3,000 staff per ship is a bit much, but if we supply 500 to 1000 saliors for each then that shouldn't be to bad. Just send out propaganda making kids in high school to want to join up.
Uraartu
21-03-2008, 04:46
Around 500 sailors would suffice. Or perhaps 1000, and instead of take both, which many would consider unrealistic for a nation my size, I'll just operate one of those battle carriers. By the way, does the Confederacy operate a military, or is there an IC thread for the Confederate Council?
The Scandinvans
21-03-2008, 05:13
By the way, does the Confederacy operate a military, or is there an IC thread for the Confederate Council?The Confederate Army is essentially the main force which can be called upon the various Confederate forces and in regards to an IC thread this is about it as there has been no real demand, well no one has asked for one explicity, for the Confederate Council.
Mokastana
21-03-2008, 17:41
hmmm... a confederate council...intriguing....

sounds like a plan....

and how about just one of them manned by my guys(called advisers, wink wink)

and the other with a 500 advisers....

they are doing nothing else but taking up room, I have bought them and not used them, so you can :D
The Scandinvans
21-03-2008, 17:56
hmmm... a confederate council...intriguing....

sounds like a plan....

and how about just one of them manned by my guys(called advisers, wink wink)

and the other with a 500 advisers....

they are doing nothing else but taking up room, I have bought them and not used them, so you can :DIf I make one will you make a proper request for Scandinvna assitance for you in your conflicts?
Mokastana
21-03-2008, 18:24
The rithian one, of course, I thought you were already in Juventud, Indonesia I am neutral in, though with Uraartu going in we may be drafted to fight....but sure
Uraartu
21-03-2008, 18:38
With regards to the Indonesian conflict, my leader is out of the country and those running the show in his place have taken it upon themselves to enter the conflict. My military generals are only helping until they feel the time is right to oust the civilian government. So, just letting you know I'm not trying to get the Confederacy involved, unless they want to of course
Mokastana
23-03-2008, 02:31
given it is spring break over here, I doubt i will get further involved. this week I may disappear for a few days...have fun
Yanitaria
23-03-2008, 03:53
I just realized that my spring break is drawing to an end, and the next two days of it will be occupied by a research paper.
Uraartu
23-03-2008, 06:14
Yanitaria, I notice in your sig that you have a wiki article, intriguing...

I might be busy making my own for the next day or two...or three
Yanitaria
24-03-2008, 05:59
Yeah, unfortunately my wiki is woefully out of date. I am rewriting my history, but I haven't been working too hard.

Still, feel free to copy the code for the national information. It took me forever to find, and really speeds up the process. Just remember to search it thoroughly, or else you might find your nation renamed, or with a corny national anthem like mine.
The Scandinvans
28-03-2008, 23:43
Good work.
Mokastana
01-04-2008, 01:28
Given this current situation in in Neo-Ixania, my first alliance the Fegosian Union has promised support, and as i see that Yanitaria is deploying troops hen that makes two Confederate nations involved. Therefore I request for the Confederacy to declare assistance to Neo-Ixania and assist in this war.


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=553094
Mokastana
05-04-2008, 18:40
i think we should get an Off-site....site... to better organize everything...
Yanitaria
05-04-2008, 21:07
Certainly would make things easier.
The Scandinvans
09-04-2008, 03:17
Correct it would, but with only three members it would kinda of defeat the purpose of having a board.
Mokastana
09-04-2008, 03:19
not really the Fegosian Union has a nice one and the only active members are me, Zaheran and Alfegos of course.

conveniently located here (http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Fegosian_Union)

it would just be a place to keep files organized and all that...
The Scandinvans
09-04-2008, 03:29
not really the Fegosian Union has a nice one and the only active members are me, Zaheran and Alfegos of course.

conveniently located here (http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Fegosian_Union)

it would just be a place to keep files organized and all that...I will give it some thought then, and if not I will think of a decent solution to the problem of 'clutter' threads, topics, posts, etc.
Mokastana
09-04-2008, 03:40
ok then cool
The Scandinvans
16-04-2008, 03:11
ok then coolI have decided to simply add a directory for all the threads that the Confederacy is involved in.