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Since becoming independent, Candava has had difficulty coming up with a solid government. Many proposals have been launched, including a dictatorship! But that was quickly put down. Many liked the idea of a parliamentary republic, and even a coalition government. Some wish the government to rule by Theocratic christian law, seeing as how that Candava originally started as a Christian mission. We wish to know what you think. SO VOTE NOW! EVERY VOTE COUNTS.

Seeing ourselves as regional allies, we think it best to form a coalition government for your new nation.

We would love to see another Communist nation.

We would love to see another Communist nation.

We agree. You must hold the ideals of equality in your nation.

Another Commie please.

We are also regional allies of Candava as well as Latislavia. I would advise you not to resort to communism, as it is not truly equal. Sure, they will say that everyone has the same benefits, that is, unless your in government, were you make more money still. If these commies were gonna follow their principles truly, even their leader would make the same as their janitors. It is corrupt. Besides, you were governed by an Imperial dictatorship, were you not? You've seen the effects and tyraany it had. If you want your nation to develop, you will STAY AWAY FROM COMMUNISM! Otherwise, we will not support your nation.

Our leaders DO make the same amount of money as their janitors. They live in better conditions due there have to be the best conditions to govern people. We think the greater good of the people, and the amount of money leaders get indirectly is mariginal compared to the whole nation. Our people live safely in our country, and we have a very low amount of poor people and criminals. They don´t have as much freedoms, yes, but they surely live better than many people in capitalist nations.

We are also regional allies of Candava as well as Latislavia. I would advise you not to resort to communism, as it is not truly equal. Sure, they will say that everyone has the same benefits, that is, unless your in government, were you make more money still. If these commies were gonna follow their principles truly, even their leader would make the same as their janitors. It is corrupt. Besides, you were governed by an Imperial dictatorship, were you not? You've seen the effects and tyraany it had. If you want your nation to develop, you will STAY AWAY FROM COMMUNISM! Otherwise, we will not support your nation.

I'm afraid we have to agree with Austronavia. We already have one communist nation, and they don't really help our region. Orignally, I would have gone with theocratic rule, but we found that the church became too corrupt. So that leaves a Parliamentary republic or Coalition, kinda like what they have in Italy and the Netherlands...hmmm.... well we are a monarchy, but I guess what works for San Artemis doesn't work for everyone else. I'll go with...coalition.:cool:

Our leaders DO make the same amount of money as their janitors. They live in better conditions due there have to be the best conditions to govern people. We think the greater good of the people, and the amount of money leaders get indirectly is mariginal compared to the whole nation. Our people live safely in our country, and we have a very low amount of poor people and criminals. They don´t have as much freedoms, yes, but they surely live better than many people in capitalist nations.

I don't see how anyone can be happy without having extensive civil rights. Also, many communist nations' economies end up collapsing on themselves. Latislavia was almost communist at one point, although it won't say it. But when it let capitalism have free rein, its people made more money, hence, their economy grew.

While communism as an upside, like every other government, there is downside. We believe theocratic rule, if used properly, can be beneficial. We have benefitted as a Theocratic Kingdom, with a Bishop and a King as dual Heads of State and the government headed by a House of Church leaders, who are of the Christian Left, and an Oligarchy of Lords. We have established checks and balances for this to work. My question though is it going to be pure theocracy, or a Theocratic Republic maybe..or what?

Basing your form of government on a fairy tale such as christianism is stupid.

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To: The Provisional Government of Candava

After receiving word of your plea for international determination of your government, His Royal Majesty Köing Conrad Habsburg has humbly suggested that your government maintain strict control over your military forces, while appealing to your economic leaders in an effort to stablize your new authority.

His Royal Majesty also suggests avoiding the practice of communism within your nation. Such theories have been proven time and time again to bring ruin to a nation's economy, and leave the peasants in conditions worse than before. A strong economy can support a strong military. A strong military means a strong nation.

For now, His Royal Majesty advises you to avoid overextending your powers while your government establishes itself. To become too large too quickly will incite another revolution, and your officials will be left without a seat in power. His Royal Majesty suggests delegating authority to your Herzöge, or Counts, of Industry. Allow them to control the peasants with their enterprise, but do not be afraid to control the Herzöge should they fall out of line.

His Royal Majesty suggests focusing your attention to maintaining order within your nation, as well as building up your military to secure your soverignty is not challenged by international forces.

In closing, His Royal Majesty wishes the people of Candava the greatest of luck in securing control over their state, and in controlling the peasants of your nation.

Herzlichst,
Kanzler von Außenpolitik Engelbert Jaeger
im service von
Seine Königliche Majestät Köing Conrad Habsburg I von Ostarreich

Sincerely,
Chancellor of Foreign Affairs Engelbert Jaeger
in service to
His Royal Majesty King Conrad Habsburg I of Ostarreich

Basing your form of government on a fairy tale such as christianism is stupid.

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Wow, that was interesting,lol! Never expected this to become such a heated debated. But like San Artemis said, maybe it may seem stupid, but what works for some nations doesn't work for everyone. Lot to be said. I made this poll because I really couldn't decide on a government. I personally am a very left person, although I don't know if I am THAT left. But we shall see.:cool:

To: The Provisional Government of Candava

After receiving word of your plea for international determination of your government, His Royal Majesty Köing Conrad Habsburg has humbly suggested that your government maintain strict control over your military forces, while appealing to your economic leaders in an effort to stablize your new authority.

His Royal Majesty salso suggests avoiding the practice of communism within your nation. Such theories have been proven time and time again to bring ruin to a nation's economy, and leave the peasants in conditions worse than before. A strong economy can support a strong military. A strong military means a strong nation.

For now, His Royal Majesty advises you to avoid overextending your powers while your government establishes itself. To become too large too quickly will incite another revolution, and your officials will be left without a seat in power. His Royal Majesty suggests delegating authority to your Herzöge, or Counts, of Industry. Allow them to control the peasants with their enterprise, but do not be afraid to control the Herzöge should they grow too out of line.

His Royal Majesty suggests focusing your attention to maintaining order within your nation, as well as building up your military to secure your soverignty is not challenged by international forces.

In closing, His Royal Majesty wishes the people of Candava the greatest of luck in securing control over their state, and in controlling the peasants of your nation.

Herzlichst,
Kanzler von Außenpolitik Engelbert Jaeger
im service von
Seine Königliche Majestät Köing Conrad Habsburg I von Ostarreich

Sincerely,
Chancellor of Foreign Affairs Engelbert Jaeger
in service to
His Royal Majesty King Conrad Habsburg I of Ostarreich

Thanks for the suggestion. We will take it into consideration when a government is decided for our nation.

To: The Provisional Government of Candava

After receiving word of your plea for international determination of your government, His Royal Majesty Köing Conrad Habsburg has humbly suggested that your government maintain strict control over your military forces, while appealing to your economic leaders in an effort to stablize your new authority.

His Royal Majesty also suggests avoiding the practice of communism within your nation. Such theories have been proven time and time again to bring ruin to a nation's economy, and leave the peasants in conditions worse than before. A strong economy can support a strong military. A strong military means a strong nation.

For now, His Royal Majesty advises you to avoid overextending your powers while your government establishes itself. To become too large too quickly will incite another revolution, and your officials will be left without a seat in power. His Royal Majesty suggests delegating authority to your Herzöge, or Counts, of Industry. Allow them to control the peasants with their enterprise, but do not be afraid to control the Herzöge should they fall out of line.

His Royal Majesty suggests focusing your attention to maintaining order within your nation, as well as building up your military to secure your soverignty is not challenged by international forces.

In closing, His Royal Majesty wishes the people of Candava the greatest of luck in securing control over their state, and in controlling the peasants of your nation.

Herzlichst,
Kanzler von Außenpolitik Engelbert Jaeger
im service von
Seine Königliche Majestät Köing Conrad Habsburg I von Ostarreich

Sincerely,
Chancellor of Foreign Affairs Engelbert Jaeger
in service to
His Royal Majesty King Conrad Habsburg I of Ostarreich

So you claim that communism devastates economy? You suggest that our so-called "peasants" feel worse? This is not true by any means. Burlovia´s economy is in the greater growth than ever before (check my homepage, the economy is rated at "frightening"), and we have money flowing to social welfare, education and healthcare. We have great military power and we could crush your nation like an insect. So please visit our country and then tell how communism destroys people and economy.

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We like the sound of a loose confederacy as we are one as well, but I must ask you for a clearer definition on these government choices, as I don't really understand them.

So you claim that communism devastates economy? You suggest that our so-called "peasants" feel worse? This is not true by any means. Burlovia´s economy is in the greater growth than ever before (check my homepage, the economy is rated at "frightening"), and we have money flowing to social welfare, education and healthcare. We have great military power and we could crush your nation like an insect. So please visit our country and then tell how communism destroys people and economy.

To: The Provisional Government of Candava

I believe the attached statement speaks for itself. Such threats are common amongst communist nations, for they can only justify themselves through force and power. Likewise, their claims of supremacy counteract their philosophy of equality.

We can only reinforce and further suggest that you not fall to the path of communist teaching. Do not side yourself with a philosophy dependent upon military dominance and suppression of human nature. Allow your nation to grow of its own accord. As your nation grows more powerful, so will your government.

Show you surrender yourselves to communism, then your independence will go with it. Remain free, and remain in control.

Ability determines need.

Herzlichst,
Kanzler von Außenpolitik Engelbert Jaeger
im service von
Seine Königliche Majestät Köing Conrad Habsburg I von Ostarreich

Sincerely,
Chancellor of Foreign Affairs Engelbert Jaeger
in service to
His Royal Majesty King Conrad Habsburg I of Ostarreich

We like the sound of a loose confederacy as we are one as well, but I must ask you for a clearer definition on these government choices, as I don't really understand them.

Certainly. here are the definition of governments up for consideration:
1. Parliamentary Republic: similar to that of San Marino, government would be run by a one or two house parliament, whose members are elected every 5 years. Once elected, they select one or two heads of state, depending how many houses are in parliament, and the parliament elects a captain regent every two years.

2. Coalition Government: Similar to Italy and the Netherlands, almost similar to parliamentary style, but parliament is headed by different coalitions based on political ideaologies, who elect the Prime Minister, who carries most executive power, based on a confidence vote.

3. Dictatorship under Socialist policies: Proposed by a communist thinker, based on social equality of citizens. Not so much a dictatorship as it is a triumvirate, ruled by three communist leaders who hold absolute power.

4.Theocratic Rule: Mainly proposing a theocratic republic of sorts, but it truly would be a theocratic parliamentary republic.

5. Loose Confederation: this was an idea proposed in order to keep peace between colonists and natives so as to grant the natives autonomy and form their own government. Ultimately, they still have to unite as Candavans. They can join the military, but they can elect their own leader and worship freely.

Certainly. here are the definition of governments up for consideration:
1. Parliamentary Republic: similar to that of San Marino, government would be run by a one or two house parliament, whose members are elected every 5 years. Once elected, they select one or two heads of state, depending how many houses are in parliament, and the parliament elects a captain regent every two years.

2. Coalition Government: Similar to Italy and the Netherlands, almost similar to parliamentary style, but parliament is headed by different coalitions based on political ideaologies, who elect the Prime Minister, who carries most executive power, based on a confidence vote.

3. Dictatorship under Socialist policies: Proposed by a communist thinker, based on social equality of citizens. Not so much a dictatorship as it is a triumvirate, ruled by three communist leaders who hold absolute power.

4.Theocratic Rule: Mainly proposing a theocratic republic of sorts, but it truly would be a theocratic parliamentary republic.

5. Loose Confederation: this was an idea proposed in order to keep peace between colonists and natives so as to grant the natives autonomy and form their own government. Ultimately, they still have to unite as Candavans. They can join the military, but they can elect their own leader and worship freely.

hmmm..this is kinda tough. Maybe a better question is how many states or provinces would be in the confederation?

Official Communique

The nation of Zoingo would like to suggest that the "more communist" option be taken off of the proposed list of governments. Burlovia's statement is at its most means, incorrect at some areas that we wish to point out:

Communism was created by a person who himeself said that it was horrible "This form of government, although founded on eqality, can never work in the real world. And if It does, It will either fall in the future, or colapse under its own weight." -Marx
Communism eliminates free enterprise, which people compeate to buy and sell goods, with competition eliminated, prices can be set as high or as low as they want
On the other hand, capitalism enables business to compete for profit, thearby lowering prices to reel in the most customers, forcing down their prices, or they will go out of business.
Communism also bans the voice of the people, press, and all media related things that speak out against their government. So even though Burlovia states that "the people love communism", they don't have a choice but to say that or they will vanish overnight.
With no voice in government, or that many civil rights, why bother setting up a communist regime that is 55 percent more likely to be overthrown than that of a more capitalist society.
And most of all, communism, while making everyone have the same wages and setting everyone all at the same level, what does that mean for the person that works harder compared to the guy who just sits down and does nothing? They still will get paid the same, is that fair?

We ask Candava to overlook other options other than communism, our colony of New Providence had helped in your fight for independence, and we do not want to see a country that we help win its independence to turn and form such a horrific type of government.

To: The Provisional Government of Candava

After receiving word of your plea for international determination of your government, His Royal Majesty Köing Conrad Habsburg has humbly suggested that your government maintain strict control over your military forces, while appealing to your economic leaders in an effort to stablize your new authority.

His Royal Majesty also suggests avoiding the practice of communism within your nation. Such theories have been proven time and time again to bring ruin to a nation's economy, and leave the peasants in conditions worse than before. A strong economy can support a strong military. A strong military means a strong nation.

For now, His Royal Majesty advises you to avoid overextending your powers while your government establishes itself. To become too large too quickly will incite another revolution, and your officials will be left without a seat in power. His Royal Majesty suggests delegating authority to your Herzöge, or Counts, of Industry. Allow them to control the peasants with their enterprise, but do not be afraid to control the Herzöge should they fall out of line.

His Royal Majesty suggests focusing your attention to maintaining order within your nation, as well as building up your military to secure your soverignty is not challenged by international forces.

In closing, His Royal Majesty wishes the people of Candava the greatest of luck in securing control over their state, and in controlling the peasants of your nation.

Herzlichst,
Kanzler von Außenpolitik Engelbert Jaeger
im service von
Seine Königliche Majestät Köing Conrad Habsburg I von Ostarreich

Sincerely,
Chancellor of Foreign Affairs Engelbert Jaeger
in service to
His Royal Majesty King Conrad Habsburg I of OstarreichCommunism ruins economy? Since I have switched to Communism our nation's enconomical status has improved ten fold.

Official Communique

The nation of Zoingo would like to suggest that the "more communist" option be taken off of the proposed list of governments. Burlovia's statement is at its most means, incorrect at some areas that we wish to point out:

Communism was created by a person who himeself said that it was horrible "This form of government, although founded on eqality, can never work in the real world. And if It does, It will either fall in the future, or colapse under its own weight." -Marx
Communism eliminates free enterprise, which people compeate to buy and sell goods, with competition eliminated, prices can be set as high or as low as they want
On the other hand, capitalism enables business to compete for profit, thearby lowering prices to reel in the most customers, forcing down their prices, or they will go out of business.
Communism also bans the voice of the people, press, and all media related things that speak out against their government. So even though Burlovia states that "the people love communism", they don't have a choice but to say that or they will vanish overnight.
With no voice in government, or that many civil rights, why bother setting up a communist regime that is 55 percent more likely to be overthrown than that of a more capitalist society.
And most of all, communism, while making everyone have the same wages and setting everyone all at the same level, what does that mean for the person that works harder compared to the guy who just sits down and does nothing? They still will get paid the same, is that fair?

We ask Candava to overlook other options other than communism, our colony of New Providence had helped in your fight for independence, and we do not want to see a country that we help win its independence to turn and form such a horrific type of government.

I wouldn't know how to take it off. I'm not sure about any other type of good governments.

We change our vote to that of a Coalition Government.

I don't know how to change your vote.

It doesnt matter, just mentally take off a vote from the dictatorship and add it to the Coalition Gov when you take the votes into account.

It doesnt matter, just mentally take off a vote from the dictatorship and add it to the Coalition Gov when you take the votes into account.

Ok, I'll do that. And I'll just add one to coalition. Man, socialism and parliamentary are really gettin some votes. The more I think about it, the less I personally want socialism. :confused:

From Killamenesia:
hmmm..this is kinda tough. Maybe a better question is how many states or provinces would be in the confederation?
Well, so far, just three, but again, the eastern state would have the most autonomy because it is the natives' homeland.

Well, so far, just three, but again, the eastern state would have the most autonomy because it is the natives' homeland.

Well, I don't know. The reason we are a confederacy is we are made up of like 800 islands, and most of them wanted autonomy, so it worked for us. But I kinda like the coalition government. I'm gonna go with the rest of our fellow EA members and go with the coalition government.

Well, I don't know. The reason we are a confederacy is we are made up of like 800 islands, and most of them wanted autonomy, so it worked for us. But I kinda like the coalition government. I'm gonna go with the rest of our fellow EA members and go with the coalition government.

And I the same. Even though I am a monarchy like San Artemis, I believe a coalition government is best, especially if you have a leader like Landon Weatherford as Prime Minister or President. Reneaux will now follow suit with the rest of the EA.

And I the same. Even though I am a monarchy like San Artemis, I believe a coalition government is best, especially if you have a leader like Landon Weatherford as Prime Minister or President. Reneaux will now follow suit with the rest of the EA.

Well...now I know what my region preferes.:rolleyes:

Well, so I can keep up, here are the standings:
1.Parliamentary Republic: 10
2. Socialist Dictatorship (although I'm not sure how long I'm keeping this an option: 9
3. Coalition root Republic: 10
4. Theocratic Rule: 4
5. Loose Confederacy : 3

bump

oh wait, I made a mistake, it should be 11 votes for the coalition government because of the Greater Headhunters (nice name) vote.

oh wait, I made a mistake, it should be 11 votes for the coalition government because of the Greater Headhunters (nice name) vote.

Thanks, at first I tried Better Headhunters and it didnt work.

I wouldn't know how to take it off. I'm not sure about any other type of good governments.

You don't need to, its just a governmental suggestion

You don't need to, its just a governmental suggestion

As of now, repealing the offer of communism is being considered by the provisional government of Candava.

bump...again
Now it looks like Parliamentary and Coalition Republics are in for a tie. Using the Greater Headhunters vote change, the coalition gov't vote will always be one more above what is listed.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=549815

Yay! First post, I am no longer a forum virgin,lol. ...What? Oh yeah right, IN character...well...cough...The Grand Duchy of Vandenbourg likes the coalition government, but did you ever think about combining the two to form a new government...maybe...:confused:

Yay! First post, I am no longer a forum virgin,lol. ...What? Oh yeah right, IN character...well...cough...The Grand Duchy of Vandenbourg likes the coalition government, but did you ever think about combining the two to form a new government...maybe...:confused:

First off, welcome to the forums, Second that is an interesting idea, I like it. But it takes the fun out of the post. My posts never seem to last long.:( Oh well... but its a good idea, and I may end up doing it.

I think actually I will go with Vandenbourg's suggestion. I will form a Parliamentary-Coalition Republic, but the Prime Minister will have executive powers, mainly the power to veto a decision by parliament, which will consists of 120 delegates in a single-house parliament from differnet coalitions or parties. However, they can declare his veto void by a two thirds majority vote. They also elect the PM, but parliament members are elected by the people.

OOC: Well, whatever happens to your nation may it be for the best.

OOC: Well, whatever happens to your nation may it be for the best.

Thank you, we hope to really become a player on the world's stage.

The Republic of Candava