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OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF THE ARMED REPUBLIC OF TOORI
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In concordance to the newly formed Free Mind Alliance, and their angles on extremism, and in perticular the extremism of religious groups under armed influence, the consulate of the Toori exclaims the equality between those such zealous forces, and that of the various... more sovereign communistic nations. There is little difference between cults and extremist political parties and governmental types, other than the implant, or lack there of, of religious faith. Both have been proven numerously throughout history to spread their influence by force to those around them. Both are highly destructive. Anything else that is to be said further, need not be said, for it is already well known.


As the war with the Red States holds firm, and the onslaught of Comar has been undoubtedly been confermed, the Toori needs not declare a state of war upon an ideal we have been warring with for decades on end. Instead, we ask the nations of the world, and the Free Mind Alliance to realize the undeniable similarities between communism, and the religious extremism we are so against. We also ask that the same ones adressed take up arms to this ideal. Whether it be put in the grave, or be our own demise, we believe it is highly agreeable that the bloodshed will be well worth it, not just for the sake of humanities present, but for the future offspring of all races.



Truthfully,



-Consular Tamaru-
Consulate of The Armed Republic of Toori

Official Message from Alexander Kirillovich Kazansky:

I agree. Watch this space for donations.


OFFICIAL RESPONCE
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Donations of what sort?


-Consular Tamaru-

Official Message from Alexander Kirillovich Kazansky:

I agree. Watch this space for donations.

OFFICIAL RESPONCE
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Donations of what sort?


-Consular Tamaru-

Official Reply:


Money. Weapons.

OFFICIAL REPLY:
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That would be most generous of you.

-Consular Tamaru-

Official Reply from the Alexander Kazansky Foundation:

We wish to donate to you the following items:

100 Kriegzimmer-designed Albatross strategic bombers (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13429398&postcount=33)


Sincerely yours, the Foundation.

Your nation fails to differentiate between a Cult of Personality, a form of government (totalitarian vs democracy), and an economic system (capitalism vs. communism).

This (OOC: And the whole "lol I am anti-commie schtick) is entirely unnacceptable (ooc: And very unoriginal, and hard to tie in with the NS world, since there was no cold war), and as such, the United Socialist States of Yanitaria will no longer acknowledge Toori in any diplomatic form, past the signing of this letter.

Sincerely,
The People and Government of the United Socialist States of Yanitaria.

(OOC: And despite what Aki will tell you, my nation is Socialist, not communist. Furthermore, there is a much stronger tie between fanatical anti-communism and fanatical religion than there is with plain communism and fanatical religion.)

Official Communique from the Capitalist Paradise of McPsychoville

Dear Consular Tamaru of Toori,

While we can appreciate your gripe with communism, as we ourselves are not fond of such an intrinsically flawed system of government, we feel that being so extrovert in your beliefs is unlikely to end well, to put it lightly. We understand your points but, frankly, find them equally problematic - as our colleagues within the United Socialist States have pointed out already, you confuse an system of economics with a type of government. It is a forgivable lapse, as indeed many make the same mistakes, but severely undermines your message of intolerance. And intolerance is what it is as, although we find the basic tenets of communism at times hilariously idealistic, we are not so blind to see that if another nation can make it work to some degree, they are of use to us and thus not worth destroying solely because they chose to adopt an inferior economic credo.

Although we will not be partaking in your crusade, it is nonetheless our pleasure to welcome you to the international state. Consider the above just a friendly warning.

Yours,
Brother-Captain Stian Ellingsen

Official Response

Religious extremism? Does that mean you are invading Doomingsland?

As for communism, we are baffled as to why would you qualify us as communists, when we are clearly socialists.

Official Response

Religious extremism? Does that mean you are invading Doomingsland?

As for communism, we are baffled as to why would you qualify us as communists, when we are clearly socialists.

OOC: I deeply appologies for the delay in responce. RL stuff has been hellish.


IC:


Doomingsland is one country that I am reluctant to say we have inadiquate intelligence on at the moment. Due to recent overhauls in our military, our focuses have been elsewhere, and we are being as incrimental in our descisions as we possibly can.

As for you, you have displayed little agression to the Toori in the past. However, due to your so called 'socialistic' stances, and the fact that you have aided our past enemies on multiple opperations in the past, it is of no hesitance that we view you as communistic. Whether or not you are less extreme as we believe, that is up to you to present such evidence.

-High Consular Tamaru-

OOC: I deeply appologies for the delay in responce. RL stuff has been hellish.


IC:


Doomingsland is one country that I am reluctant to say we have inadiquate intelligence on at the moment. Due to recent overhauls in our military, our focuses have been elsewhere, and we are being as incrimental in our descisions as we possibly can.

As for you, you have displayed little agression to the Toori in the past. However, due to your so called 'socialistic' stances, and the fact that you have aided our past enemies on multiple opperations in the past, it is of no hesitance that we view you as communistic. Whether or not you are less extreme as we believe, that is up to you to present such evidence.

-High Consular Tamaru-

OOC: No problem, dude.

IC:

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To: High Consular Tamaru, Toori.
From: President Alejandro Aszenmil, The World Soviet Party.

We dont need to prove anything to you. Nevermind that our "socialistic" stances have placed out nation very highly above yours in the international stage, both economically and socially.

As for aiding your "enemies", would you be as kind as to provide an example?

Signed,
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Alejandro Aszenmil, President of The World Soviet Party.

OOC: No problem, dude.

IC:

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To: High Consular Tamaru, Toori.
From: President Alejandro Aszenmil, The World Soviet Party.

We dont need to prove anything to you. Nevermind that our "socialistic" stances have placed out nation very highly above yours in the international stage, both economically and socially.

As for aiding your "enemies", would you be as kind as to provide an example?

Signed,
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Alejandro Aszenmil, President of The World Soviet Party.


Your superiority to us in those various subjects is of no merit to our thought or standpoint. If it were, we would not have survived so long as we have. Nor would we stand for anything of importance.

As for the examples, the most factly of them would be the various conflicts involving British Londinium. Since there have been many opposing opperations in the past, both directly and indirectly, this would be the most meritable evidence. Might you have any word to falsify this example?


-High Consular Tamaru-

Your superiority to us in those various subjects is of no merit to our thought or standpoint. If it were, we would not have survived so long as we have. Nor would we stand for anything of importance.

As for the examples, the most factly of them would be the various conflicts involving British Londinium. Since there have been many opposing opperations in the past, both directly and indirectly, this would be the most meritable evidence. Might you have any word to falsify this example?


-High Consular Tamaru-

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To: High Consular Tamaru, Toori.
From: President Alejandro Aszenmil, The World Soviet Party.

I cannot say we have never helped British Londinium, but I can certainly say that I do not remember helping them against you specifically.

As for your survival, it is entirely dependant on how you look to bigger and more powerful nations, your military prowess and your leader's abilities to stay out of trouble.

Signed,
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Alejandro Aszenmil, President of The World Soviet Party.

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OOC: Actually, in the Stoklomolvi-Nova Pictavia war thread, I saw your "diplo-header", thought it was awesome and made my own.

I told you that in my post, which I ended up deleting when I was informed that the thread was closed.

But yeah, credits to you for giving me the idea.

As for the shield, it's just a small version of my official seal.

[OOC: Agghhh TWSP has the same diplo header as I do...]

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Stoklomolvi Secretariat of State
7656 Hegemony Drive, Administrative Compound, Office Complex 7C, Hallway 52L, Room 89
Vladistov, Stoklomolvi

Encryption Level 0, Null Encryption
To: [OPEN COMMUNIQUÉ]
Subject: Condemnation of Communism

Yet another nation condemns communism due to its negative image portrayed by a certain bearded man who proclaimed himself totalitarian dictator of a certain communist state and murdered millions to forward the nation. Stoklomolvi, while communist, does have a dictatorship as well, which to most makes no sense. However, this dictator is but a benevolent dictator, whose programmes have forwarded the people without executing millions for false crimes merely to remain in power. Since the people trust our leader, we need not execute millions and oppress the people to an inch of their lives; far from it, in fact. While we do regulate the people, it is only for their own good, not to further our self-interest. Communism does NOT equate to a dictatorship in every case.

Regards,
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Grigor Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich
Civilian Management
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Signed,
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Alexei Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich
The Commissar of the Communist Benevolent Dictatorship of Stoklomolvi

Note: bolded section added by Stoklomolvi Secretariat of State

[OOC: Glad to hear that I inspired the almighty TWSP. Our seals and headers are so similar...you inspired my seal, I inspired your header. Mutual inspiration ftw.]

Whether it was direct or indirect, it is of minimal merit to our concern. The majority is the fact that you did. Though you can be assured you are not the objective of any militaristic plan we have, or are to conjur, however, my intent is to inform you that you are under our current observation, and a thorough one at that.

As I also said before, due to recent difficulties, we are making our steps incrimental. Our first active insite into our pledged inquirence, is the intervention of the national, civil conflict that has erupted within the Ryou Black Islands. Inteligence is being gathered, and it is well known that they are indeed communistic, and religiously... obscene. That is all the information I am alloud to extend.

On that note, due to our recent lack of intelegence, we cannot make a proper assesment on the people of Stoklomolvi at this present time. However, I am greatfull at your forthcommingness with your self proclaimed identification, and the aclaimed stance of your beliefs. If what you claim is indeed correct, then it is a miracle how a dictatorship functions so justly, and without corruption.

-High Consular Tamaru-

Marxism-Leninism represents the exact opposite of religious extremist, while religion relies on abstract moralism Marxism is an objective social science which aims to create communal relations through worker control over production. In the People's Republic of Andaras socialism is but the self-determination of the working masses. The PRA further pledges to stand by any socialist states that find themselves under attack from bourgeois imperialist forces such as the Armed Republic of Toori.

National Assembly of the Federation of Autonomous Unions, PRA.
Signed off by the President, Samuel Enver de Santos.

Official Government Message

Firstly we would like to inform you that we are a Capitalist nation and also that we helped create the charter in use by The Free Mind Alliance. The nation of Orbath condemns this ''attack'' on communism and this slander. While not a communist nation ourselves we currently have relations with numerous communist and socialist nations. These nations don't have problems with religious extremism and I don't see how you can possibly compare the two. I'd like to see evidence on how they are similar. We would like to inquire as to whether these views are taken by just you or the FMA as a whole? Should these views be taken by the FMA, we will be putting in a formal request to have anything written by us struck from the charter.

Marxism-Leninism represents the exact opposite of religious extremist, while religion relies on abstract moralism Marxism is an objective social science which aims to create communal relations through worker control over production. In the People's Republic of Andaras socialism is but the self-determination of the working masses. The PRA further pledges to stand by any socialist states that find themselves under attack from bourgeois imperialist forces such as the Armed Republic of Toori.

National Assembly of the Federation of Autonomous Unions, PRA.
Signed off by the President, Samuel Enver de Santos.

If your aclaimed socialism is imminating from your citizens, and not your government, then it is of no concern, if not praise, to us.

As to your accusation of 'imperialistic forces' such as we, we advise you to learn how to read, then rought to your nearest dictionary, or grammer diffinative record, and search for the word 'imperialism'. Your comment is humorsome, and unintentionaly sarcastic.

-High Consular Tamaru-

Official Government Message

Firstly we would like to inform you that we are a Capitalist nation and also that we helped create the charter in use by The Free Mind Alliance. The nation of Orbath condemns this ''attack'' on communism and this slander. While not a communist nation ourselves we currently have relations with numerous communist and socialist nations. These nations don't have problems with religious extremism and I don't see how you can possibly compare the two. I'd like to see evidence on how they are similar. We would like to inquire as to whether these views are taken by just you or the FMA as a whole? Should these views be taken by the FMA, we will be putting in a formal request to have anything written by us struck from the charter.


You fail to see my point, that is; extremism, reguardless of its basis, is just that: extremism. Such leads to corruption, and an incomparable reduction in citizen representation.

As for the Free Minds Alliance, my adressing of this issue is purely of Toorian origin, and was not only meant to both inform, and inquire the various branches of communistic nations abroad, but to request the oppinion, and or support from our FMA allies. Since you obviously protest, your notion will be noted in the extend of our actions.

-High Consular Tamaru-

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Brettonian Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Official Statement

Jubilation and exuberance! Another actor on the world stage joins the enlightened few which wholly reject and denounce the destructive and terrible ideological cult of Marxism! Let it be known that the Brettonian Anti-Bolshevik Front and all related proxy parties shall stand fast with the interests of the Armed Republic inasmuch as the goal of combating the cancerous spread of collectivist thought throughout the world. We are here for you, fellow crusader against the Menace of Socialism - do not hesitate to ask if we can offer you assistance in your most noble of causes.

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Brettonian Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Official Statement

Jubilation and exuberance! Another actor on the world stage joins the enlightened few which wholly reject and denounce the destructive and terrible ideological cult of Marxism! Let it be known that the Brettonian Anti-Bolshevik Front and all related proxy parties shall stand fast with the interests of the Armed Republic inasmuch as the goal of combating the cancerous spread of collectivist thought throughout the world. We are here for you, fellow crusader against the Menace of Socialism - do not hesitate to ask if we can offer you assistance in your most noble of causes.


Though I am rather dazed at your theatricism and your boldness to give aid, at the time, we have nothing of urgency that would require it. Should we in the future, your aid would be appreciated.

[OOC: Glad to hear that I inspired the almighty TWSP. Our seals and headers are so similar...you inspired my seal, I inspired your header. Mutual inspiration ftw.]

OOC: Well, I wouldnt go as far as calling myself Almighty, but thanks for the compliment anyways :)

Whether it was direct or indirect, it is of minimal merit to our concern. The majority is the fact that you did. Though you can be assured you are not the objective of any militaristic plan we have, or are to conjur, however, my intent is to inform you that you are under our current observation, and a thorough one at that.

As I also said before, due to recent difficulties, we are making our steps incrimental. Our first active insite into our pledged inquirence, is the intervention of the national, civil conflict that has erupted within the Ryou Black Islands. Inteligence is being gathered, and it is well known that they are indeed communistic, and religiously... obscene. That is all the information I am alloud to extend.

On that note, due to our recent lack of intelegence, we cannot make a proper assesment on the people of Stoklomolvi at this present time. However, I am greatfull at your forthcommingness with your self proclaimed identification, and the aclaimed stance of your beliefs. If what you claim is indeed correct, then it is a miracle how a dictatorship functions so justly, and without corruption.

-High Consular Tamaru-

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To: High Consular Tamaru, Toori.
From: President Alejandro Aszenmil, The World Soviet Party.

The thought of being under your observation does not scare us, nor threaten us in anyway, but be warned that any UAV or military vehicle from the Toori will be shot at if illegally entering The World Soviet Party.

As far as the Ryous are concerned, you shoul kill them all, communist and non-communists, you would be doing the world a favour. After all, everyone knows they descend from the Hatarians.

To finish this communique, I would like to refute your comparison between communism and religious extremism, which is clearly flawed seeing as how communism is driven by logic while religion is driven by fanaticism and faith, not to mention that under your "standards", capitalism should be also considered extremism, that is, unless you are scared of the capitalist nations.

Signed,
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Alejandro Aszenmil, President of The World Soviet Party.

whoops

Your nation fails to differentiate between a Cult of Personality, a form of government (totalitarian vs democracy), and an economic system (capitalism vs. communism).

This (OOC: And the whole "lol I am anti-commie schtick) is entirely unnacceptable (ooc: And very unoriginal, and hard to tie in with the NS world, since there was no cold war), and as such, the United Socialist States of Yanitaria will no longer acknowledge Toori in any diplomatic form, past the signing of this letter.

Sincerely,
The People and Government of the United Socialist States of Yanitaria.

(OOC: And despite what Aki will tell you, my nation is Socialist, not communist. Furthermore, there is a much stronger tie between fanatical anti-communism and fanatical religion than there is with plain communism and fanatical religion.)

[OOC: Unacceptable? How is an IC point of view unacceptable? That's like me saying anti-capitalism is unacceptable. Furthermore, you don't know anything about NS history if you've never heard of an NS cold war - RBA, ASDU, do those names not mean anything to you? That AND the fact that many rigidly hierarchical and class, race, and gender ordered nations like mine have every reason to be anti-Communist, as are classical liberal democratic nations, JUST LIKE THEY WERE BEFORE THE COLD WAR, the easiest examples to find being Japan and Britain respectively.

Anti-Communism is a state of mind that exists amongst two types of people:

1. Those who hold power in a strictly hierarchical society.
2. Those who value individual liberty to the death.

Communism has existed in NS before and it has been extremely powerful. NS nations have good and lasting reasons to want to destroy it, be the historical, ideological, or religious.

OOC: The bit about unacceptablility was IC, so I have no reason to justify it OOCly. To my IC nation, hating someone because of their political ideology, no matter what their political beliefs are, would be akin to walking in the middle of a New York City street yelling "BURN JEWS IN AN OVEN".

It's simply just not done.

And no, I don't know about NS history. Hard to imagine that some of us haven't been following Nationstates much before the date we joined, eh? Especially since continuity is strictly so strictly enforced.