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Alright. Lets move the OOC Shizzle here.



IC Thread: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=548379

Thank you

Yeah. Much Grass.

OOC:
TWSP
Eurasian Socialist Republic is trying to go to war with me over my people intercepting a message talking crap about my nation. Him and Franberry want to take me on 2 to 1, allies of mine have chimed in to help me and now ESR doesn't want me to have any help.

Just crap like that.
If you're that insistent on your allies, then here are the forces that I have secured agreements from (verbal, textual, or otherwise) to support myself and/or Franberry. (mostly the latter)
Willink
Novacom
Zukariaa
Agrandov (if ICly justified, and that can EASILY be arranged)
Doomingsland
Kampfers
Jaredcohenia
TheSilverSky
Praetonia
Questers
Whyatica
Akimonad

and multiple others across the regions of Haven, Gholgoth, and Continentia. (apologies if I've missed your nation or region, there are too many to keep up with) As you can see, I have a reason for wanting to keep the RP relatively small. I have neither the inclination nor the time to wade through dozens of posts, no matter how well written, to compile a list of what is actually happening to me and not to others.

However, if it is a grand war you prefer, then it is a grand war you shall receive. As per RP etiquette, my alternate account of No Endorse shall not be participating regardless of its close allied status with the state of Franberry and all of his allies. However, the rest of the Nuclear Commonwealth, which No Endorse heads, shall engage in hostilities. Consider yourself notified of a declaration of unrestricted allied involvement on the side of Franberry.

I will not post again in that thread until something is decided upon in this one. Either we stick with the three people actually involved or we are open, those are the two options I'm willing to accept.

How about this then.

If you want it to be a 2 on 2. I can pick ONE other ally to assist in my defence. Therefore it will be You + Franberry vs Me + My Ally. And I can pick any ally that I wish.

Would that work for you?

OK, sry to jump any guns here, but I would gladly volunteer for the position of Shaz's ally in a closed thread. I've been thinking of playing against Eurasia (as often via his other nation as ESR) for some time now, and from discussion over IRC I can tell I'd be more readily accepted than many potentials. Shaz's decision still, but just throwing it out there for y'all.;)

Would a non-combat ally be out of line? As I've posted, I'm willing to host Shazbot ships and aircraft; not use them for our bidding.

Well, this doesn't look to be progressing in the most promising fashion, but, should it recover, the Indian Soviet Commonwealth of Beth Gellert/Beddgelert remains at least interested.

We want to support the ESR, but think an attack on Shazbotdom ill-advised to say the least, and don't want to break our backs bailing them out.

We're willing to host negotiations, official or clandestine, and have essentially offered to sponsor ESR in a fashion if they back down from military confrontation and perhaps pursue a less dramatic response to the espionage and what not.

Still, if this does become a war, I'm willing to get involved to some degree if a large Communist state is of use. We'd be willing to provide material resources and military liaison staff, certainly. If this becomes one of those wars with lots of different fronts and individual threads each with just a couple of fighters from each side, I'd be willing to get more directly involved.

If not, well, er, good luck!..

The 2 on 2 might be interesting, but so might my team vs your team. Like say myself and another CSS ally take on two of ESR's coalition members?

Uh-oh, this looks like it's getting messy. If the CSS is officially mobilised by Allanea or Shazbotdom happens to call on it to fight ESR's allies, I'll heed the call, but otherwise, count me out.

Bump. for reminding

How about we all wait till ESR has a chance to see if he likes my 2 vs 2 idea.


And for reference, it would be:

ESR + Franberry
vs
Me + An Ally (TBD)

Interesting, well, just let me know if you guys need anything, specially Shaz.

TWSP.

Well. as of right now i'm not sure who i'm going to pick to help out.

How about we all wait till ESR has a chance to see if he likes my 2 vs 2 idea.


And for reference, it would be:

ESR + Franberry
vs
Me + An Ally (TBD)

tiny nation + franberry (not the largest)

vs

you and your 20bil + another nation of large population

Jaredcohenia likes them odds.

ESR brought it among himself, fully knowing what the consequences would be. Shazbotdom cannot possibly be the aggressor, he is merely defending himself. It'd be worse if he decided to not fight ESR because he worries about their safety.

Again, the "consequences" of actions have never justified dogpiling or curbstomps.

Again, the "consequences" of actions have never justified dogpiling or curbstomps.

Let's say that Columbia and Cuba decided to team up against the United States. Now, the US could steamroller both countries. But either way, allies of the United States would decide to help and therefore "curbstomp" Columbia and Cuba.

Let's say that Columbia and Cuba decided to team up against the United States. Now, the US could steamroller both countries. But either way, allies of the United States would decide to help and therefore "curbstomp" Columbia and Cuba.

*sighs*

NS =/= RL.

Let's say that Columbia and Cuba decided to team up against the United States. Now, the US could steamroller both countries. But either way, allies of the United States would decide to help and therefore "curbstomp" Columbia and Cuba.

I fail to see the sense in that. Wouldn't allies of Colombia and allies of Cuba help their allies in said conflict? :/

@ Akimonoad:

True, but many RL aspects are put into NS. Such as the fact that if you try to invade someone, they hit back harder.

@ Jarecohenia:

True. ESR's allies could come in, but they haven't. So that would be like Columbia/Cuba's allies not entering for one reason or another.

@ Akimonoad:

True, but many RL aspects are put into NS. Such as the fact that if you try to invade someone, they hit back harder.

Yeah, but that doesn't change things on NS. We actually try to be fair here. The 2003 Invasion of Iraq would likely not have occurred on NS, provided that Saddam had the insight to cry "dogpile".

Anything else?

Yeah, but that doesn't change things on NS. We actually try to be fair here. The 2003 Invasion of Iraq would likely not have occurred on NS, provided that Saddam had the insight to cry "dogpile".

Anything else?

Actually, nearly every time someone commits a human rights violation, they get dogpiled and nobody cries "curbstomp" for them. I believe that drags down the "Fairness" scale on NS.

Good christ, what's wrong with you folks? This isn't a schoolyard fight where whoever brings the most people wins, nor is it CS. Shazbotdom's request is quite reasonable, if only for reasons of manageability-- pick-up war RPs with large numbers of participants NEVER end well. Either there are constant arguments amongst the participants or some people vanish and the entire RP gets held up.

let's see if I get this right. If he accepts the offer, like jaredcohenia said, there is little chance he will win. If not, he has a legion of the best roleplayers on this forum to help him out. Not exactly a hard choice to make.

let's see if I get this right. If he accepts the offer, like jaredcohenia said, there is little chance he will win. If not, he has a legion of the best roleplayers on this forum to help him out. Not exactly a hard choice to make.

And I could pick someone to help me who is about the same size as ESR. I havn't even picked my partner yet, that will happen if he accepts my offer. If not then I could just stick to ESR + Franberry vs Me.

It doesn't matter either way.

Although before we continue this, I do want to know what they are using, exact numbers. I will get mine as soon as I find the XLS file that I had my military information stored in. Which I believe is on a laptop that I used to use. Which might take till monday, because I won't have access to that laptop till then.

Still waiting for ESR to respond.

For the record ESR, I said Hogsweat would support you, not Questers. :p Still, yes.

If Fran doesn't ahve the time to rp (he usually doesn't...) I'll gladly be ESR's ally. (with UH, ofc. its more logical since we're both Stalinist.)

If ESR does not want to get dogpiled he shouldn't have declared war on a nation with many allies.

I've perminantly lost the XLS file with all my military info. I'll have to rebuild it from scratch while trying to remember what all was in it. It may take me a day or two to get this all together.

But. I'm still waiting for ESR to respond.

XLS File has been rebuilt from scratch. Currently with Active and Reserve, my military comes out to about 0.9986% of my population (Main nation one, for reference).

Shazbotdom Pop: 7,273,000,000
Total of all Armed Forces: 72,629,000


Breakdown of armed forces can be found Here (http://wiki.freezoka.com/index.php/Breakdown_Of_Forces)

I've seen both ESR and Franberry online in the past 24 hours. Why arn't they posting either here or in the IC thread?

Come on. I'm putting off other RP's for this. It's been almost a week without responces. What say ye about my offer?

2 vs 2 (me + ally vs ESR + franberry)
or
1 vs 2 (me vs ESR + Franberry)


And for the record, since those two are the ones who wanted to attack me in the first place, I won't accept a substitute. And I will RP with my main nation's population and no more than that.



EDIT:
I'm seriously thinking of just ignoring this entire war. if ESR and Franberry are not going to make any posts, then why should I even bother attempting to RP with them? And this is posted in the IC Thread as well...

Alright.

I'm done waiting. I'm going to start being busy as hell here in the next few days with digital video editing and other stuff. I can't wait any more. Therefore, I am ignoring this whole thing and letting peace levels in my nation go back to nomral.



It's over.

Alright.

I'm done waiting. I'm going to start being busy as hell here in the next few days with digital video editing and other stuff. I can't wait any more. Therefore, I am ignoring this whole thing and letting peace levels in my nation go back to nomral.



It's over.

I agree with you. What ESR did was unprofessional.

I agree with you. What ESR did was unprofessional.

Since when was this a profession?

Since when was this a profession?

Well you know what I mean. One should not not respond to posts especially when one is the one who initiated the said posts in the first place.

Well you know what I mean. One should not not respond to posts especially when one is the one who initiated the said posts in the first place.

Last I checked, the Internet was not a job, and nobody got paid for attending to imaginary diplomacy between imaginary countries in an imaginary world in their imagination.

Er, I'm fairly certain ESR didn't do this on purpose, which is what you make it sound like.

Er, I'm fairly certain ESR didn't do this on purpose, which is what you make it sound like.

Well he and Fran were both online a couple of days ago and did not respond to any of these posts and that is why Shazbotdom ignored this.

I don't care if it's on purpose or not. I've waited long enough. I have 2 hours before I have to start a long process of editing over 8 hours of digital video for something, then pulling 3 minutes of video out of 4 piecies of video for a Powerpoint Presentation that has to be ready before Tuesday.

So I don't have any more time to wait for him to frickin post something.

I don't care if it's on purpose or not. I've waited long enough. I have 2 hours before I have to start a long process of editing over 8 hours of digital video for something, then pulling 3 minutes of video out of 4 piecies of video for a Powerpoint Presentation that has to be ready before Tuesday.

So I don't have any more time to wait for him to frickin post something.

Well good luck with your editing.

Well he and Fran were both online a couple of days ago and did not respond to any of these posts and that is why Shazbotdom ignored this.

I am aware of that, yes. Being online, however, doesn't mean you can post.

.... I'm confused as to why you're all apparently waiting around for something. There's a subscription feature nowadays. Also, why put off different RPs and such? You physically can't do that stuff in NS, the time frame doesn't work.

I've found some time, if you'd like we can do your 1v1 or a 2v2 idea, I'm personally not really concerned either way. It's whatever you're up for, I will have some time for the next week or so.



Findan, you are perfectly free to have whatever opinion you wish of me. However, I personally view you as not worthy of my attention in any thread, and as such you are more than welcome to invite yourself out of this thread.

...wow, that's really nice. I mean, forget that he has a justified point, just go right for the jugular with an ad hominem attack. Right little ray of sunshine you are.

I wouldn't be talking with your track record of flaming and flamebaiting.

Findan, you are perfectly free to have whatever opinion you wish of me. However, I personally view you as not worthy of my attention in any thread, and as such you are more than welcome to invite yourself out of this thread.

...wow, that's really nice. I mean, forget that he has a justified point, just go right for the jugular with an ad hominem attack. Right little ray of sunshine you are.

...wow, that's really nice. I mean, forget that he has a justified point, just go right for the jugular with an ad hominem attack. Right little ray of sunshine you are.

After your charming performance in the APOC thread, I don't feet too indebted to justify anything to you. :p

You've lost me.