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We are selling the seized properties of Ryou, Greston and Alanea. Since there behavior is so treacherous and wicked, we feel they have waived any rights their citizens or government has to said property.
We therefore will be selling all confiscated property sch as:

1)Houses
2) Embassys of theirs
3) jewelry
4) Grestonian equipmen, heavy machinery, e.t.c

Cash in on their foolishness. Bid on Greston, Alanean and Ryouan property.

OOC:

Look mate, this has been bad since the start, you were slightly foolish for attempting to sneak the WMD into other people countries and I think several of the older, more experienced RPers could have acted more cleverly. But that is by the by, I would say that if you want to be taken seriously then you might want to create a new account and forget all links to doublewideville. You can feel free to ignore this if you want, but it is up to you.

Everyone else. Please can we just leave him alone? He has been foolish yes, but still, everyone needs to learn and either letting him completely start again with this nation or create a new one would probably be best.

OOC:

Look mate, this has been bad since the start, you were slightly foolish for attempting to sneak the WMD into other people countries and I think several of the older, more experienced RPers could have acted more cleverly. But that is by the by, I would say that if you want to be taken seriously then you might want to create a new account and forget all links to doublewideville. You can feel free to ignore this if you want, but it is up to you.

Everyone else. Please can we just leave him alone? He has been foolish yes, but still, everyone needs to learn and either letting him completely start again with this nation or create a new one would probably be best.

We do not recognize many of the fictional nations you speak of. These nonexisting nations left us this stuff. Would you like to bid on it?

[Yes. I'll give you two cents and an invitation to shut the fuck up, because you're crazily annoying.]

OOC:

I have tried and will try for one last time. Please don't go ahead with this thread. It will only end badly, probably for all concerned. I have no particular quarrel with you and will happily have you Rping on a board that I inhabit. But please just leave them alone and they will leave you alone. Even if they were stupid by inviting your friend over and then killing him.

[Yes. I'll give you two cents and an invitation to shut the fuck up, because you're crazily annoying.]

I will up the ante with 3 cents and an invitation to STOP BEING A DUMBASS, AND UNTIL YOU DO, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Let me top the bid at 4 cents and add a big cup of STFU please.

I will top even that and put in 5 cents, a cup of STFU, The Dummies Guide on not How to be a Dumbass, and the head Gomer.

OOC: it is becoming more clear to me now... everyone but myself seems to think that being stupid will help him become a better player, instead of helping him. Most should be ashamed of yourselves.

McPsychoville
Belkaros
Karshkovia
Greston

You all should re-examine why you play this game. I was at one time as bad as he was. But people didn't want to become noobs and insult me at my attempts, they helped me by explaining things to me. I have seen little if any attempts at helping him at all. Shameful
and to think at one time I considered some of you to be worthwhile players... how wrong I was.

(OOC: To all those of you who are not DoubleWideville, I would suggest you stop flaming, don't allow him to drag you down with him.)

OOC: While I admire the fact you've stuck with your nation and not gone and started a new one after the humiliating attempt at international terrorism that was your suitcase nukes, I believe you've started to cross the line.

Almost everyday you post a new, pointless, and dull message to the international community. Messages like government changes, threats to other nations, and crap like this.

All your posts ever do is upset everyone. I highly suggest you relocate your efforts and time into a new nation. Because for as long as I and everyone see you operating under the name "Doublewideville" you will always, always fall under scrutiny from us.

I highly suggest you take more words to heart and end this nonsense with your nation. Doublewideville is the laughingstock of NS forums right now.

The only Allanean 'assets' in DWV is the food, cows, and chickens we donated to them.

OOC: Ok, everyone - let's be honest, here. Pretty much everyone has made a stupid RP, I don't see why we ought to be so harsh to DoubleWideville over this thread. Sure, it might not be the best idea, but instead of telling a new RPer that it's stupid, let's see if we can't fix it as is. Surely, DoubleWideville's government could be claiming Grestonian, Alanean, and Ryou assets and trying to sell them off, and those three countries could try to respond to it. I think we ought to be telling DoubleWideville to RP something like that instead of calling him stupid for saying that those countries don't exist.

OOC: it is becoming more clear to me now... everyone but myself seems to think that being stupid will help him become a better player, instead of helping him. Most should be ashamed of yourselves.

McPsychoville
Belkaros
Karshkovia
Greston

You all should re-examine why you play this game. I was at one time as bad as he was. But people didn't want to become noobs and insult me at my attempts, they helped me by explaining things to me. I have seen little if any attempts at helping him at all. Shameful
and to think at one time I considered some of you to be worthwhile players... how wrong I was.

OOC: Every one has tryed to help him, every one has at least once stopped him and told him he was god moding. And you know what he did? he got pissed and started to do acts of useless terrorism because of OOC comments. We tryed to help, I made some of the threads I made (i.e. The Hunt is on) to have a good time RPing number one, and number two, to show him and get him into the habit of RPing correctly, and with out god moding. He took it way to seriously and started this crap. he has nothing of mine, except maybe a body or two plus some of their equipment, in his nation, and now he decideds Allanea, Ryou, and I are nothing, fictional not realistic in NS. I am now tired of it and hate my self for trying to RP with him. I am okay with not being a worthwhile RPer, no one thinks of me as, when ever I start a thread it takes a few days for people to take notice of or even care. If you really though of me to be a worth while player maybe you would have posted in one of my threads or an RP I started. You don't and never have thought of me as a worth while player, you are just saying that to make me feal bad, which right now I do, but not because of what you said.

OOC: He'll ignore it if those nations try to take back the land so the best we can do is bid the land and give it back to the rightful owners.

I bid 0.10 USD (trying to legitimately (from DWV's POV) give back the land to their rightful owners.)

OOC: He'll ignore it if those nations try to take back the land so the best we can do is bid the land and give it back to the rightful owners.

I bid 0.10 USD (trying to legitimately (from DWV's POV) give back the land to their rightful owners.)

OOC: He has no land, machinary, weapons, or any thing of mine, or Allanea's in his nation. He is making it up.

OOC: I know. But he thinks he does. I want to stop him from thinking he does.

OOC: Raven - Greston, Allanea, and Ryou, I would think, all do have legit arguments to being thoroughly pissed off. I would be pissed off if some noob tried to sell my shit without asking me...

In that vein, Doublewideville, read the damn stickies, please, for your future of II and so that you can be a productive member of the NS society. Thanks.

OOC Doublewideville, been told to read the damn stickies a number of times and they just don't listen or as i wiill add care

Well, realistically if one has relations with another nation, there will be trade and there will be assets of one's nation in their neighbour.

My suggestion is that Greston, Allanea, and Ryou simply seize DWV assets in their nation in retaliation. And everyone quit making fun, I know it's lulsy to mock the newbie, but this is getting old.

DWV: Read the stickies, but take them with a grain of salt. II has changed in the three to five years since the stickies were written. Some things still hold true (godmoding is still the same as it was in days of yore) and some are different (you can't win a war just from being a better writer, you have to know tech and tactics.) To get a proper feel, read some current RP threads; that should give you an idea of the stickies in action. I personally recommend any RP that has an OOC thread; while I personally don't like to go there, the arguments that take place there over points of RP etiquette are more current than the stickies.

Ignored

DWV: Please stop these Stupid Posts, They are more Flame baits

Yeah, DWV, this is really not a civil or II Community-acceptable thread. I've got nothing against you in the least, but I agree with what tohers have said before me. Start over with a new nation, follow the standards for roleplay, and you will indeed become a well-liked rp'er.

OOC: Ok, everyone - let's be honest, here. Pretty much everyone has made a stupid RP, I don't see why we ought to be so harsh to DoubleWideville over this thread.

ooc: My last stupid RP was when I was playing GI Joes +27 years ago with other tykes and we pulled the "I shot you" "no you didn't" "yes I did" crap. Beyond that point, some of us realized what was acceptable and what wasn't while others (like DWV) haven't.

We are harsh (and I am especially harsh but reserved) because each of us have taken time to explain to DWV the rules of this interaction. I specifically sent four LONG TG's to him giving tips, suggestions and guidance. He ignored them (or has no idea how to check messages). I've wasted time trying to help and I honestly believe at this point DWV is a guy that is a very clever troll (or a 9 year old trying to play with the adults and losing his temper all the time). Look at how he has disrupted the boards and caught the ire of so many people and continues to post after it is made clear what he is doing.


Sure, it might not be the best idea, but instead of telling a new RPer that it's stupid, let's see if we can't fix it as is.

You took the community's advice and matured your RP. DWV refuses to do so. I'll be honest here and say that I am not new to RP but I am new to Nationstates. When I started, I read ALL the rules, reviewed all the tip threads. Took me two days of reviewing the rules, then another week of reading other people's RP to see the atmosphere and the interaction between people before I even posted my first thread. DWV seems not to care

Surely, DoubleWideville's government could be claiming Grestonian, Alanean, and Ryou assets and trying to sell them off, and those three countries could try to respond to it. I think we ought to be telling DoubleWideville to RP something like that instead of calling him stupid for saying that those countries don't exist.

For one reason, the guy can't even tell IC from OOC, and the second reason is that many people over many threads have tried to help and he just keeps going and doing the same thing...over an over. He has worn down the good will and tolerance of many nations, hence the replies. We tried to help and some of us have gone WELL beyond what anyone would expect use to do to help is writing mature. At this point I'm done trying to help as I am sure many others are. If he was serious about trying to work with others he would have tried to do so by now but he hasn't.

I honestly believe he is just getting a kick out of our responses so I call upon everyone to ignore him from this point out. If he makes a thread, don't even read it. If he posts a response in your thread, ignore it as if he wasn't there and ask a mod to remove it. Totally ignoring a troll will make them overcompensate and usually that gets them banned. Totally ignoring a child that is acting out makes them bored and they go elsewhere.

Either way, the community wins.

Just my 4 cents.

((OOC: People, stop OOC flaming and whatnot before someone calls the Admins.))

We are selling the seized properties of Ryou, Greston and Alanea. Since there behavior is so treacherous and wicked, we feel they have waived any rights their citizens or government has to said property.
We therefore will be selling all confiscated property sch as:

1)Houses
2) Embassys of theirs
3) jewelry
4) Grestonian equipmen, heavy machinery, e.t.c

Cash in on their foolishness. Bid on Greston, Alanean and Ryouan property.

OOC: You have no jurisdiction over their nations whatsoever, how did you get their properties? How did you acquire the right to sell what isn't yours? Is there an RP in which you royally owned them and took their land?

[OOC: Everyone just calm down. DWV hasn't even responded to any of your posts, and you think continually arguing is going to help him? Leave him be. He can claim to be selling so-and-so's property, but does that matter ICly?]

Well, realistically if one has relations with another nation, there will be trade and there will be assets of one's nation in their neighbour.

My suggestion is that Greston, Allanea, and Ryou simply seize DWV assets in their nation in retaliation. And everyone quit making fun, I know it's lulsy to mock the newbie, but this is getting old.

DWV: Read the stickies, but take them with a grain of salt. II has changed in the three to five years since the stickies were written. Some things still hold true (godmoding is still the same as it was in days of yore) and some are different (you can't win a war just from being a better writer, you have to know tech and tactics.) To get a proper feel, read some current RP threads; that should give you an idea of the stickies in action. I personally recommend any RP that has an OOC thread; while I personally don't like to go there, the arguments that take place there over points of RP etiquette are more current than the stickies.


o.k, then explain this to me:

These nations invade my nation. Fine. But despiute the fact that CLEARLY outnmber whatever numerical numbers of troops they have, supposedly they run over us. How does that make sense?

America, when it invaded Viet Nam was caught for YEARS in a conflict that it had superiority in weapons, equipment, transportation. Despite these advantages, despite the huge number of troops the United States sent, it goes without saying that the Viet Cong gave them a run for their numbers and eventually, DEFEATED the United States of America. So how in the world are they going to invade a nation where everyone is armed and HATEs the invader?
Second example: Iraq. I'm sure you're aware that the United States weapons are LIGHT-YEARS ahead of the insurgents of Iraq. Despite this fact, they have been very successful in fighting the Americans. Remember, we have GlobalHawk, laser guided munitions, e.t.c, e.t.c .

I call in question the seeming "easiness" of my oponets, when in effect, they were gfighting at the very least hundreds of thousands of insurgents, if not millions. No one has explained to me, in any way that corresponds REMOTELY to reality, how a few thousand troops can easily wipe out HUNDREDS of thousands of people, on THEIR OWN home territory?

The ones, in my humble opinion that were "godmodding", were my opponets who either do not understand how a protracted insurgency (see Iraq, Viet Nam, e.t.c, e.t.c) works, nor realized that they had in effect forewarned ALL DoubleWidevillians of their imminenbt invasion. If it's godmodding to pass out arms for your people and adopt a guerrilla war, it is HUGELY godmodding to believe that with a relatively miniscule military force, your going to easily end a war on OUR native soil, fighting OUR insurgents..But then, I am sure there is an easy way for you to explain how it is possible for, for example, rhetorhically 150 thousand to overcome millions.

OOC: You have no jurisdiction over their nations whatsoever, how did you get their properties? How did you acquire the right to sell what isn't yours? Is there an RP in which you royally owned them and took their land?

OOC:
Let's see if you can follow the logic of this (though it seems nothing I say makes sense to some)

1) We have given 72 hours to remove citizens of Grestonia, Alanean and Ryou.

2) Were taking their citzens cars, jewelry, money, houses-all their possessions they have .

3) we're doing this by fiat. If they can't load it in a garbage bag or sack and run out of DoubleWideville with it, it's OURS

4) By fiat, we declare it to BE OURS.By law, OUR law, it is ours.

5) Please go back to your history books and pixkj up a map. Thank you. Now please examine a territory in the Middle East. Again, my thanks. If you peruse the said history book on the policy of Palestine, you will find that untill relatively recently they did not recognize the right of Israel to exist.
Now see if you can follow me here. We took a page out of that book. We don;t recognize, in a political, military or economic sense that Alanea, Ryou or Greston exists. As such, we don't recognize their citizens as citizens. We don;t recognize any claim to ANY possessions they are unable to carry out with them. Ya dig? Good.

Now if you didn't read this, or all you have to say is something to bitch and moan about, that isn;t constructive, then fuck you very much. I'm not going to educate everyone to analogies in the real world to make my case. Either read a goddamn book, or stop playing video games long enough to fucking read or whatever.
That goes for anyone else who wants to fucking cry and whine. I'm well read,and if my masters here will please forgive me, I have RPed before, masters.

If I have to tell you everytine something I do has analogies to THE REAL WORLD, then fuck, who is the n00b's? Is it me, or could it be that some of you were your daddy's semen stain in the 80's and 70's? Imagine that...

DoubleWideville,

I frankly don't care what godmoding you think is going on. Selling other people's properties is just not on.

Allanea, Greston and the Ryou Black Islands have way bigger armed forces than you. Yes, they could quell your insurgency - they have nuclear weapons, combat vehicles, and highly trained troops.

Even I could drop enough twenty-megaton nukes on your nation to turn it into a radioactive, lifeless wasteland for the next five thousand years.

And there is no way that an entire population commits to an insurgency. Where does the government go? More importantly, where do those who supply your basic needs go?

I urge you to end this pointless endeavour. Now.

P.S. - By selling their properties, you're godmoding far more blatantly than they ever could have.

OOC: You have no jurisdiction over their nations whatsoever, how did you get their properties? How did you acquire the right to sell what isn't yours? Is there an RP in which you royally owned them and took their land?


I shouldn;t be answering this. It's probably a waste of my fucking time to try to explain, but I am a glutton for punishment..

No, for these nations we do not recognize we dont. But, IN THE REAL WORLD, their is ALWAYS assets from other nations spread out. Ever hear of "nationalization"? No? Then check out what Zimbabwe did with the property of Caucasian farmers in Zimbabwe. IN THE REAL WORLD.

How? Ask Zimbabwe, or the old Soviet Union, or for that matter China. Real easy. You throw the undesirables ass out, the government takes what they didn;t run off with and SELLS IT. That simple. And yes, since it is on our land, we would be able to do so so.

I am glad to RP this situation. That's fine with me. I'll probably ignore them, since we don;t recognize they exist-just like Palestine did not recognize the existensce of Israel in the 70's and 80's.

blah blah blah whine whine whine bitchy fishcakes

Nobody cares any more. Not content with being possibly the worst serious roleplayer I've seen in bloody ages, you've displayed all the personality and charm of a zit. One more thing - you're selling their assets which are on the land that every other nation except your fetid cesspool recognises as Grestonian, Allanean and Ryou. You think their militaries won't step in because...? Last time I checked, getting shot at is not something you can not recognise in the real world.

o.k, then explain this to me:

These nations invade my nation. Fine. But despiute the fact that CLEARLY outnmber whatever numerical numbers of troops they have, supposedly they run over us. How does that make sense?

America, when it invaded Viet Nam was caught for YEARS in a conflict that it had superiority in weapons, equipment, transportation. Despite these advantages, despite the huge number of troops the United States sent, it goes without saying that the Viet Cong gave them a run for their numbers and eventually, DEFEATED the United States of America. So how in the world are they going to invade a nation where everyone is armed and HATEs the invader?
Second example: Iraq. I'm sure you're aware that the United States weapons are LIGHT-YEARS ahead of the insurgents of Iraq. Despite this fact, they have been very successful in fighting the Americans. Remember, we have GlobalHawk, laser guided munitions, e.t.c, e.t.c .

I call in question the seeming "easiness" of my oponets, when in effect, they were gfighting at the very least hundreds of thousands of insurgents, if not millions. No one has explained to me, in any way that corresponds REMOTELY to reality, how a few thousand troops can easily wipe out HUNDREDS of thousands of people, on THEIR OWN home territory?

The ones, in my humble opinion that were "godmodding", were my opponets who either do not understand how a protracted insurgency (see Iraq, Viet Nam, e.t.c, e.t.c) works, nor realized that they had in effect forewarned ALL DoubleWidevillians of their imminenbt invasion. If it's godmodding to pass out arms for your people and adopt a guerrilla war, it is HUGELY godmodding to believe that with a relatively miniscule military force, your going to easily end a war on OUR native soil, fighting OUR insurgents..But then, I am sure there is an easy way for you to explain how it is possible for, for example, rhetorhically 150 thousand to overcome millions.

Well, you don't have to accept them overrunning you, just fighting you. I'm not much of a tactician, but I do have experience RP'ing as an insurgency. Pretty much the only way to take over a nation where everyone hates you is to kill everyone - if your opponents aren't doing that, you've got a fighting chance even in a scenario where a standing army would be punked.

Wait, explain something - since all of your nationals are working as an insurgent coalition in your homeland, who exactly goes and throws the Grestonian, Allanean and Ryou Black Islander "undesirables'" asses out of their lands - which, incidentally, have much bigger armed forces than you do?

DoubleWideville,

I frankly don't care what godmoding you think is going on. Selling other people's properties is just not on.

Allanea, Greston and the Ryou Black Islands have way bigger armed forces than you. Yes, they could quell your insurgency - they have nuclear weapons, combat vehicles, and highly trained troops.

Even I could drop enough twenty-megaton nukes on your nation to turn it into a radioactive, lifeless wasteland for the next five thousand years.

And there is no way that an entire population commits to an insurgency. Where does the government go? More importantly, where do those who supply your basic needs go?

I urge you to end this pointless endeavour. Now.

P.S. - By selling their properties, you're godmoding far more blatantly than they ever could have.

I didn't say that. Here let me make my point, though:

1) It dosen't require everyone. However, I am sure you are aware of what is termed parallel organizations, yes? In other words, Viet Nam had an organized army and, parralleling it, they had the Viet Cong. In the same way, we had the Jesus Youth, the militias AND a regular military.

2) The government does exactly what we did. They break down into an interment government untill the invaders are expelled. They form a "front" government, while having a parallell government, such as we do with the U.A.R.G. The idea is to replicate it, to make it possible to continue in times of emergency.

3) If you read the thread, you will see we did a "burnt earth" policy. We took all food, water and destroyed and poisoned the rest. Quite common, such as when the Russians retreated in front of both Napoleon and the Nazis. Usually, unless there is good food resupply fgor the invaders, it hurts them more. I am sure you have seen on television ambushes of convoys, yes? There you go.

4) I do't dispute they have a greater military and nuclear weapons. I will agree that if they drop a nuke, then i would lose. I would have to be an idiot to say thats not true.
My point is that they were godmosing as well.

I'll be sure to drop this, but I'm not going to put up with this crap in the future.

OOC: I'm surprised that he forgot about my "assets":D

EVERYONE SHOULD IGNORE HIM

Nobody cares any more. Not content with being possibly the worst serious roleplayer I've seen in bloody ages, you've displayed all the personality and charm of a zit. One more thing - you're selling their assets which are on the land that every other nation except your fetid cesspool recognises as Grestonian, Allanean and Ryou. You think their militaries won't step in because...? Last time I checked, getting shot at is not something you can not recognise in the real world.

Why don't you go play in traffic? Seriously, when you want to behave like you have a brain, then you can get up fom the kiddy table, junior.

*Koff* Don't bully the Newb. I know he's a Godmoder and all, but he's smart, and should not be stomped into the ground.

IC:
The government of the Free Republic Of Oily Prata bids one billion USD for movable assets of the seized nations. Once in our posession, they will be returned to the said nations as a gift of goodwill.

I'll be sure to drop this, but I'm not going to put up with this crap in the future.

DoubleWideville, I'm taking this as a request to close your RP, which was a sensible decision on your part, given the dogpile it had become.

This was a flame: Why don't you go play in traffic? Seriously, when you want to behave like you have a brain, then you can get up fom the kiddy table, junior.
Take some friendly advice and don't let yourself be provoked to this extent again.

McPsychoville, Greston, warned for repeated flaming and flamebaiting.

Karshkovia, Belkaros, you need to review your attitudes to other players.

You would have been well advised to have listened to the sensible advice of the majority of posters.

Because of the much appreciated efforts of Kahanistan, Raven World and British Londinium, among others, at least newcomers will know there are some regulars who are willing to give helpful advice and suggest ways to get RPs back on track.