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Meh.

I'd like to announce that I am closing the thread to those who have not already posted. This is to keep the thread manageable and to prevent dogpiling. If you'd still like to participate, post here and give a good reason.

Meh.

I'd like to announce that I am closing the thread to those who have not already posted. This is to keep the thread manageable and to prevent dogpiling. If you'd still like to participate, post here and give a good reason.

You ICly allied with an enemy of the Free Minds Alliance. That is the reason why I ICly sent the navy.

Olmedreca;13395666']OOC: If your new homeland is also in Mediterranica it would be nice to TG mapmaker about it, considering that it clearly is not on current map.

BL don't need to TG the maker for BL still there just now under the New name of Victoria Nuclear wasteland

Good reason? I defended British Londinium when they blended a prisoner of war, I figure that's reason enough.

BL don't need to TG the maker for BL still there just now under the New name of Victoria Nuclear wasteland

You'll find it hard to live in a nuclear wasteland.

Not to mention the new continent is called Deva Victrix, and if I remember correctly, wasn't in Mediterranica.

And Olmedreca is the mapmaker.

This is all well and good. I understand that British Londinium May Be facing a Naval Blockade by United Estovakia and a few others, and I May have sent a fleet to Observe(OOC: So no sinking of my ships!) but according to BL's current map, there are more than a few ports, and I do not think United Estovakia and others could field such a large force as to encircle the entirety of the country. Could anyone explain?

You'll find it hard to live in a nuclear wasteland.

Not to mention the new continent is called Deva Victrix, and if I remember correctly, wasn't in Mediterranica.

And Olmedreca is the mapmaker.

have no idea but the land is shape like what BL used for his maps, so if i'am wrong sorry

*inhales*

Order of Battle for Current Akimonadi Forces:
First Fleet (Blockade Battlegroup)
1x Hiryu-class Fleet Carrier (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13033481&postcount=98)
15x Gerald R. Ford-class Aircraft Carriers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_R._Ford_class_aircraft_carrier)
30x Wasp-class Amphibious Assault Ships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasp_class)
65x Type 73 Battlecruisers (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1620&hl=)
50x Urrite-class Destroyers (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1837&hl=)
100x Type 07 Avisos (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=542256)
75x Alfa-class SSNs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_class_submarine)
24x EXTERMINATVS D:<-class SSBNs (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1813&hl=)
60x Newcastle-class Corvettes (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1295&hl=)

First Fleet (Invasion Battlegroup)
5x Queen Elizabeth-class Aircraft Carriers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_class_aircraft_carrier)
30x Wasp-class Amphibious Assault Ships
25x Type 73 Battlecruisers
20x Type 07 Avisos
10x Alfa-class SSNs
25x Harpers Ferry-class Dock Landing Ships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpers_Ferry_class_dock_landing_ship)
50x San Antonio-class Amphibious Transport Docks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio_class)

Invasion Forces
300,000 General Infantry
1000 M59 Russ Light Tanks (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13337652&postcount=262)
200 T-2 Decebal Main Battle Tanks (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8813565&postcount=35)
200 Fire Arrow Mk.I MLRS (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11109149&postcount=440)
50 Panzerjäger II Penetrator Anti-Tank Vehicles (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9445979&postcount=105)
240 M2 Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Bradley)
350 KM 131 Beschützer Light Transports (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13000294&postcount=5)

Aerial Forces
200 AH-72F Viper-Foxtrot Attack Helicopters (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13289520&postcount=220)
200 F/A-121A Morgana Multirole Fighters (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13225110&postcount=190)
300 F-124A Bullwhip Air Superiority Fighters (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13239551&postcount=192)
25 B22 Heavy Strategic Bombers (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530912)
25 SB-22 Sariel Advanced Strategic Bombers (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=484971)
200 Supermarine Storke Carrier-Based Fighter-Bombers (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13163722&postcount=6)
25 Blackburn Blackadder MSE.2 Maritime Bombers (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=548087)
10 Blackburn Blackadder MSE.2R Refueling Planes
150 C-5 Galaxy Cargo Transports

Phew.

I've either purchased, obtained rights for, or have given permission to use all of the above from the various creators. (RL ships excluded, as they're RL.)

-snip-


I'm not impressed.

I've already posted my involvement, therefore if I feel it necessary to continue I will.

With BL's permission, I would like to send a small force to join the side of the invaders. OOCly I like BL and think he is a decent RP'er who I must admit has inspired me to create my own graphics and factbooks to a similar depth. However, ICly Pictavia has been assaulted by Londinian forces twice in its recent history, and would jump at the chance to grind the nation under their boot.

BL has made the right decision closing the thread, if anything I think this dogpile would warrant a retcon, but fair play to him.

If BL is accepting overt military help, then me and Atopiana would love to rustle up some help for him. The Skgorrians and Atopians have a strange sense of attachment for the Londinians, mainly because they're the only people to have been subjected to genocide under the Pact of Iron and survived. Otherwise, the Empire of the Wolf will be sending funds to the Londinian government, and our embassy grounds (I assume I would have one in your nation BL, unless you say otherwise) will be open for refugees/cowards etc.

Good to have you back man :D

More help for BL would create a dogpile on my side.


I'm not impressed.

I've already posted my involvement, therefore if I feel it necessary to continue I will.

What? I'm fighting against BL.

And please stop with the font for OOC messages.

More help for BL would create a dogpile on my side.

Not to worry, I've bumped the conference now the exams are over.

Not to worry, I've bumped the conference now the exams are over.

Well, I've got a lot of help already.

So far, I count me, Novacom and maybe Barronia. Some UFAN members may be contribuiting a smallish spec ops force, and ZMI, I hope, will be participating for about one post.

Well, I suppose I'd might as well notify yous of my existence...

And please stop with the font for OOC messages.

Why? People can type in any font they want :P

We're reviewing.

Don't really wanna fight Skgorria and Atopiana 'cause they scare us and the governments had seen eye-to-eye over a few issues, but we'll go in if necessary.

More help for BL would create a dogpile on my side.




What? I'm fighting against BL.

And please stop with the font for OOC messages.

Ah my mistake. I was under the impression you were defending him, and from your post it seemed like you were trying to intimidate others. I apologise.

Ah my mistake. I was under the impression you were defending him, and from your post it seemed like you were trying to intimidate others. I apologise.

Well, are you impressed now? :P

This is all well and good. I understand that British Londinium May Be facing a Naval Blockade by United Estovakia and a few others, and I May have sent a fleet to Observe(OOC: So no sinking of my ships!) but according to BL's current map, there are more than a few ports, and I do not think United Estovakia and others could field such a large force as to encircle the entirety of the country. Could anyone explain?

My fleet is not doing the blockading, another nation is. I just have a awol fleet operating in it.

Can I join on Aki's side? Help even things out. [BL's side has the advantage in distance and numbers]

Can I join on Aki's side? Help even things out. [BL's side has the advantage in distance and numbers]

I think it's even considering Novacom and Wanderjar are also making preparations to invade.

I think it's even considering Novacom and Wanderjar are also making preparations to invade.

Novacom's not invading, he's just keeping other people busy.

EDIT: Also, I still don't think it's quite even yet.

Novacom's not invading, he's just keeping other people busy.

EDIT: Also, I still don't think it's quite even yet.

Hm. I swore that was preparing to invade. I hesitate on TSS only because he's invaded me before, with unpleasant results...

If he doesn't use nukes (unlikely, but still), and doesn't go overboard with his forces, I'm okay with it.

OOC: BL you have a TG

No nukes it is then. I promise to not go above 2.5 million [mind you 1.8 of that is just shipborne personal] >.>

TSS is under a standing contract with me, and I have my own policies on nukes, so you'll find that BL Ala Flombe denuke Is not on the menu.

Erm.. No reply to my previous OOC post to enter in the side of the invaders, so I'm unsure if it's OK. At the moment, I'd say with the likes of some Mediterranican states, The Empire of the Wolf et cetera, BL's side still looks very promising. Here's my original post, number ten of this thread:

With BL's permission, I would like to send a small force to join the side of the invaders. OOCly I like BL and think he is a decent RP'er who I must admit has inspired me to create my own graphics and factbooks to a similar depth. However, ICly Pictavia has been assaulted by Londinian forces twice in its recent history, and would jump at the chance to grind the nation under their boot.

ORBAT to come soon unless I'm asked not to join.

I'd like to send Caelapene soldiers to British Londinium to act as peacekeeping forces in Coalition (or whatever we're called)-controlled areas but not as an active invasion force. I'm allied with Akimonad and the Caelapene citizens would likely object to an outright invasion of BL given our past diplomatic ties, and I don't think it would be too much of a dip in the scales against BL.

No Nukes? Good, at least there'll be some proper war RPing rather than sitting back while everything around you dissapears in a mushroom cloud.

Yes to NP and Caelapes.

I'd also ask the Zepplin Manufacturers stay out, considering:

A. Closed thread.
B. Let Aki do his own dirty work without someone else pulling what amounts to either the greatest logistical and technical feat possible or a godmode.

And, C. Aurum, shut up about me being a n00b. I said it was closed, and that's how it's staying.

Yes to NP and Caelapes.

I'd also ask the Zepplin Manufacturers stay out, considering:

A. Closed thread.
B. Let Aki do his own dirty work without someone else pulling what amounts to either the greatest logistical and technical feat possible or a godmode.

And, C. Aurum, shut up about me being a n00b. I said it was closed, and that's how it's staying.

In regards to item B:

I'm sure ZMI has some even nastier tricks he could throw at you if he felt up to it. If you want to complain about technology, complain about the stuff DMG puts in his MT storefront. This is hardly the greatest logistical and technical feat possible or a godmode, as this is after all PMT. ZMI has put a lot of work into his items and they are all accepted by the NSDraftroom, the great determining bloc when it comes to realism.

Yes to NP and Caelapes.

I'd also ask the Zepplin Manufacturers stay out, considering:

A. Closed thread.
B. Let Aki do his own dirty work without someone else pulling what amounts to either the greatest logistical and technical feat possible or a godmode.

And, C. Aurum, shut up about me being a n00b. I said it was closed, and that's how it's staying.

I would say that, as BL closed thread before Aki called ZMI, he has right to ask ZMI to stay out. On other hand i wouldn't call ZMI stuff godmode, he is just farer in PMT then most people for who its just early-PMT. And lets try to stay polite, this war may get quite entertaining.

Pictish Order of Battle:
Please Note, you will find links to all equipment used by New Pictavia in the "Military Wiki" located in the "Information and Resources" link (signature).

Invasion Fleet:
10 x Glacier Class Aircraft Carrier
30 x Carthage Class Air Defense Cruiser
30 x Swiftsure Class Destroyer
35 x Lionfish Class Missile Frigate
35 x Champlain Class Frigate
20 x Spirit Class Nuclear Submarine
50 x Emden Class Amphibious Assault Ship
Loaded with Seasprite Class Air Cushioned Landing Craft (LCAC)
Unknown Quantity Executor Class Combat Logistics Ship

Ground Forces:
150,000 x Imperial Terran Warriors
5,000 x Imperial Pathfinder Elite
700 x PACHIS-Class IFV
300 x Plasan Sand Cat
200 x Arbiter M-3 MBT

Air Forces:
200 x ACI-73N AQVILA
100 x ACI-73D AQVILA
20 x TRU-94 "Rekishichizu" (Atlas) Multirole Heavy Lift Platform
100 x A-12 Avenger II
20 x B-2 Spirit
50 x Dassault nEUROn
300 x MH-47G Chinook
20 x MH-60G PaveHawk
100 x UH-60M BlackHawk
50 x MH-60S KnightHawk
150 x MV-22B Osprey

Many key machines still missing, and I'm still getting to grips with putting tog ether an effective fighting force. Also, how many Seasprites and Logistical ships should I have for a force of this size?

*scratches head*

Back up for a moment.

Are nukes allowed? I was under the impression that they were, and that only TSS and Nova couldn't/shouldn't use them.

*scratches head*

Back up for a moment.

Are nukes allowed? I was under the impression that they were, and that only TSS and Nova couldn't/shouldn't use them.

Erm, I said that they couldn't use them specifically, and I'd appreciate it if we kept nukes away from the thread.

I shall post when I figure out what I'm posting...

BL: Erm, how did you know the bombers' target is yourself? Surely they could be heading for any nation in that general direction?

I'm terribly sorry, I dodn't realize that the thread was closed. May I join? I ICly have past history with Nova Pictavia (including an alliance) that might justify my entering the war against BL. If the thread is to crowded, I'll delete my post, sorry.

And I know that i states in my post that it looked like I was joining on BL's side, I'm sorry for the confusion.

BL: Erm, how did you know the bombers' target is yourself? Surely they could be heading for any nation in that general direction?

Well, their heading would reveal that they're pointed for BL. That, and, in crossing over Alaska, they're liable to get shot at anyways.

As a small note before we get into mid air death, if indeed I am permitted to proceed in this thread the force your are dealing with is primarily made up of these Type 1000 (http://doc-evilonavich.deviantart.com/art/Type-1000-28529770). Stats, payload and essentially most of her abilities would be publicly available information given her reasonably long service record.

I know this may be somewhat self defeating but I just felt I had to make the ah following little bits of advice.

"these missiles were chock full of Composition J2 explosive; with a shockwave designed to take out fifteen city blocks at a time, these were perfect for disrupting any airborne wave."

The problem with this concept is that by design any supersonic aircraft is massively capable of withstanding pressure waves, indeed any mach 2 aircraft essentially withstands pressures similar to those found in the outskirts of a nuclear blast. Much better to use an ABM scale fragmentory warhead whos large fragments have a good chance of wrecking even the Type1000s overbuilt airframe or hitting her secondary conventional fuel tanks or systems.

Further as a swarm targeting concept well against supersonic aircraft 15 blocks simply is not ..well big enough. While indeed my aircraft are flying in formation I am hardly going to be able to fly them close together in what is the conventional sense. Still they would be within self defence networking range but not the classic world war II everyone can wave to the other turret gunner range (not that they have turret gunners). Type 1000s shock cones are as are the aircraft rather large, interceding shock cones and the turbulence generated there in would be by and large horrible for ride quality not to mention damn dangerous if they were close, the classic last flight of the North American XB-70 Valkyrie demonstrates. Indeed the shock cone of a mach 3 aircraft would probably be more intense than the one generated by your missiles warheads.

As for the final issue, the nice lining up of a section of your mobile naval anti aircraft assets, lets say you have strapped antiaircraft platforms to very very fast ships indeed that can do oh sixty noughts. To place themselves within LOS intercept 420 miles from your northern most shoreline, essentially on average you have to travel at least call it 210 miles. Your going 69 miles an hour. To get into a dense intercept formation you have on the good side of average three hours to do so. On the bad side anywhere up to six and thats if your port is right on the correct shoreline, not including weather and of course all of your ships are insanely fast.

The problem with all of this is the paramount weapon to intercept high altitude bombers are ABM or theatre defence missile systems such as the SA series or patriot. These systems are large, ungainly and best suited to battleship type platforms that are incapable of pulling speeds of 60 knots, to compensate they are VERY fast and there ranges to tend to be upward of a thousand kilometres. However to mount them on a very fast ship indeed is somewhat like mating a sledgehammer with a duck. The range means you do not have to. I suggest that you do not brake up your naval task forces makeup to attempt to intercept high altitude mach 3 aircraft with light missiles and naval air defence lasers. To do so leaves your primary launch platforms, the only ones with real one to one theoretical kill ratios horribly stripped of there air defence and thus hideously vulnerable to ASM strikes. Of which my bombers are most assuredly carrying.

Lastly, that much naval movement under my nice new big eye P2P network will be spotted.

It is unfortunate but my aircraft, having essentially no fuel constraints and little problem with long term flight given there airframe and systems construction can do something your navy by and large cannot.

Fly around the problem.

just so yous know, sending a naval detachment. Neutral. No, seriously, they're neutral.

I don't understand what these "neutral" fleets are supposed to accomplish. I think that is the third "neutral" force effectively moving towards the battleground, to do what exactly? Stand in the way and say "You can't shoot if you can't see them!" Sooner or later, any military force sent into the midst of a battle or conflict is going to be engaged and made, well, un-neutral.

I don't understand what these "neutral" fleets are supposed to accomplish. I think that is the third "neutral" force effectively moving towards the battleground, to do what exactly? Stand in the way and say "You can't shoot if you can't see them!" Sooner or later, any military force sent into the midst of a battle or conflict is going to be engaged and made, well, un-neutral.

Quite. Not to mention that they appear to be useless, and are a waste of money for logistics and whatnot.

The only use the fleets have is becoming collateral damage for my guns.

So you're going to risk war against a power you do not know just because they're flying in the general direction of your nation?

And I really don't think ZMI would fly his planes right over one of your colonies enroute without blowing it up first.

Also, this is the first most [and probably any] of us have heard of your Alaskan colony. How many more of those do you have up your sleeve?

Well, their heading would reveal that they're pointed for BL. That, and, in crossing over Alaska, they're liable to get shot at anyways.

I have to admit, I've never heard of your Alaskan colony before either. But since they area at Alaska, and DV is nearer the equator as I understand it (correct me if I am wrong, of course), so in the gigantic NS-world they would most likely be pointed at a large quantity of other nations as well.

So, before we all move any further, where is BL's nation located? olmedreca says he has no idea where BL is on the map if he's even in that region anymore.

What vaccines is the average Eurasian administered?

I don't understand what these "neutral" fleets are supposed to accomplish. I think that is the third "neutral" force effectively moving towards the battleground, to do what exactly? Stand in the way and say "You can't shoot if you can't see them!" Sooner or later, any military force sent into the midst of a battle or conflict is going to be engaged and made, well, un-neutral.

I'd actually agree, but what the hell else was I supposed to do of any significance? ICly, I actually want that to happen, for the fairly stupid reason that then I'll fire back and then I get to pick a side. Not BL's side, but it seems there are multiples against BL and each other. Also, if I have to pick a side myself, then I'll have forces already there, won't I?

I'd actually agree, but what the hell else was I supposed to do of any significance? ICly, I actually want that to happen, for the fairly stupid reason that then I'll fire back and then I get to pick a side. Not BL's side, but it seems there are multiples against BL and each other. Also, if I have to pick a side myself, then I'll have forces already there, won't I?

I'm pretty sure that would in some way circumvent the closed nature of this thread.

How?

How?

We'll shoot yer face off. That's how.

All kidding aside, because you've just admitted that in the OOC thread, where BL lets people join etc. I don't think he wants another potential ally unless your willing to join his side.

Tentative OOB:

Skyian 2nd Naval Armada
8x 'Ankaraa'-Class Fleet Carrier [CVN]
12x 'Avalon-Class Heavy Command Battleship
24x 'Maddox'-Class Fast Battleship [BBN]
24x 'Garner'-Class Guided Missile Battleship [BBGN]
72x 'North Point'-Class Guided Missile Cruiser [CGN]
144x 'Amner'-Class Guided Missile Destroyer [DGN]
288x 'Sheffield'-Class Guided Missile Frigate [FGN]
80x Jörmungandr-Class Nuclear Attack Submarine [SSN]
60x 'Braach'-Class Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarines [Operates indepently from fleet, but can join up with them if needed]
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752 x Ships per fleet (12 fleets)
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These fleets are usually accompanied by:

5x Pasteur-class hospital ships (HS)
10x Curie-Class Light Medical Ships (MSL)
30x Endeavour-class Large Combat Transport Ship (CTSA)
30x General Marsden-class AP
30x Gabin-class roll-on/roll-off cargo vessels (RO/RO CV)
30x Quay-class amphibious assault and replenishment vessels (LHR)
30x Smith-class fuel and munitions transport vessels (FATV)
20x Aylesburgh-class submarine tender (ST)
60x Flansburgh-class fleet replenishment vessel (FRV)
10x Peligro-class amphibious assault ship (AAS)
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255x Total Ships

Two of those make up the 2nd Armada.
http://z14.invisionfree.com/TSSTechCentral/index.php?showtopic=201 <<< More informative linky.

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Skyian 2nd Marine Field Army:
http://z14.invisionfree.com/TSSTechCentral/index.php?showtopic=79
[The M157 240mm Recoilless Howitzer (http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j118/ChevyRocks/M157GreenCamo.png) is replacing the Broadsword [my 203mm gun], as well I am adding heavy tanks, I will update it soon.

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Skyian 4th Tactical Air Armada:

http://z14.invisionfree.com/TSSTechCentral/index.php?showtopic=102

I have to admit, I've never heard of your Alaskan colony before either. But since they area at Alaska, and DV is nearer the equator as I understand it (correct me if I am wrong, of course), so in the gigantic NS-world they would most likely be pointed at a large quantity of other nations as well.

We're paranoid.

So, before we all move any further, where is BL's nation located? olmedreca says he has no idea where BL is on the map if he's even in that region anymore.

Near the equator, south of India.

What vaccines is the average Eurasian administered?

Erm, smallpox, bubonic plague, hepatitis, polio, strep and staph, tetanus, tuberculerosis, syphilis, diptheria, leprosy, and most food-borne diseases.

I'd actually agree, but what the hell else was I supposed to do of any significance? ICly, I actually want that to happen, for the fairly stupid reason that then I'll fire back and then I get to pick a side. Not BL's side, but it seems there are multiples against BL and each other. Also, if I have to pick a side myself, then I'll have forces already there, won't I?

It is a closed thread. No, you can't join. No, you can't send forces. No, I don't care who you're allied with. I'm already outnumbered as it is.

So you're going to risk war against a power you do not know just because they're flying in the general direction of your nation?

And I really don't think ZMI would fly his planes right over one of your colonies enroute without blowing it up first.

Also, this is the first most [and probably any] of us have heard of your Alaskan colony. How many more of those do you have up your sleeve?

I've announced these before, and I extorted Alaska from Calizorinstan. I have another set of colonies in the Middle East and in sub-saharan Africa.

We're paranoid.

To the point of shooting at planes whose destination is unconfirmed?

What vaccines is the average Eurasian administered?

Vetalians in British Londinium (currently around 8 million in total) will have innate, genetic resistance to malaria and hemorrhagic fevers (from generations of living in the tropics) and are vaccinated against the same conditions as the Eurasians along with influenza Type A and Type B and Marburg virus.

However, our citizens also have a lot of artificial or bioengineered parts that will not be as susceptible or immune to illnesses; they're correspondingly more vulnerable to targeted chemical and electronic weapons as a result. Keep this in mind when fighting in British Londinium, because we don't want our citizens to die.

ZMI, Silver Sky, would you be interested in encountering my observation fleet with your bombers/armada? Possibly you misidentify it as Londinian and open fire.

It is a closed thread. No, you can't join. No, you can't send forces. No, I don't care who you're allied with. I'm already outnumbered as it is.

But I joined before you closed it!

But I joined before you closed it!

It's his thread, so he gets to decide who is in and who is out

Oily Prata, the chances of forces used to fighting against BL misidentifying your ships as BL ships is almost nil, so no here.

Waldenburg 2, are you really trying to bring that weak DMG shit into this thread? Very little of what DMG makes would actually work, let alone his stupid SD.

Actually no, I thought I edited that SD out, thank you for catching that at least.

As for the Vanguard... Well I admit some of the systems, especially the SBRR are a bit far fetched and i personally do not use them. Waldenburg is a theocracy and therefore dependent mainly on the morale of it's armies never to break, and an almost unlimited supply of manpower. Technology is not our strong point, and will hardly ever leave the modern day even in PMT. I bought the Vanguard for a quick navy and disregarded most of the technology, the systems that are iffyish shall not come into play.

It's his thread, so he gets to decide who is in and who is out

I see, So I'm being kicked out for...oh, what good reason was it again? Have I launched 1 trillion n00ks at BL? Have I RPed so poorly that everyone is dying of severe heart failure? I'm not the best RPer, but I know what excessively poor RP is and I don't do it. I'll leave perfectly happily if you provide me with a good reason. I joined long before it was closed. I haven't insulted him repeatedly from the start. Why?

Actually no, I thought I edited that SD out, thank you for catching that at least.

As for the Vanguard... Well I admit some of the systems, especially the SBRR are a bit far fetched and i personally do not use them. Waldenburg is a theocracy and therefore dependent mainly on the morale of it's armies never to break, and an almost unlimited supply of manpower. Technology is not our strong point, and will hardly ever leave the modern day even in PMT. I bought the Vanguard for a quick navy and disregarded most of the technology, the systems that are iffyish shall not come into play.

I would recommend not using the Vanguard either, because, just glancing through the write-up, I've found about seven implausible things on the ship. If you were to not use them you'd pretty much have a floating chunk of metal (which just shows how DMG designs ships), so I'd just replace it with a DDG from another designer or from real life.


EDIT: Well, you could use the Vanguard, but it's horribly underarmed compared to most other destroyers.

Why?

The OP doesn't want you to participate to keep numbers the same on both sides. Simple enough.

Now, please stop fussing and follow BL's wishes. He is the OP.

I would recommend not using the Vanguard either, because, just glancing through the write-up, I've found about seven implausible things on the ship. If you were to not use them you'd pretty much have a floating chunk of metal (which just shows how DMG designs ships), so I'd just replace it with a DDG from another designer or from real life.


EDIT: Well, you could use the Vanguard, but it's horribly underarmed compared to most other destroyers.

Underarmed? If I'm reading this right it has > 20 missile launchers and ten torpedo tubes. In comparison with most modern ships that seems extreme. I don't really know though, I picked mindless theocracy for a reason, and I suppose I'd be up for advice on anything military.

The OP doesn't want you to participate to keep numbers the same on both sides. Simple enough.

Now, please stop fussing and follow BL's wishes. He is the OP.

Fine, I'll stop posting in the IC. But I'll still post here for the simple reason that you haven't yet given me a good reason. What did I do wrong? Plus, people signed up well after me and got to stay. Or have you or anyone else on this thread got something against me?

Fine, I'll stop posting in the IC. But I'll still post here for the simple reason that you haven't yet given me a good reason. What did I do wrong?

*groan*

You haven't done anything wrong.

The reason is that BL told you to stay out. That is the ONLY reason.

Now, please, move on with your life. You're not the only one who has been rejected, and this is not a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence.

This constant whining won't get you anywhere either.

Fine, I'll stop posting in the IC. But I'll still post here for the simple reason that you haven't yet given me a good reason. What did I do wrong? Plus, people signed up well after me and got to stay. Or have you or anyone else on this thread got something against me?

You did not do anything wrong. BL is evening up the sides and it seems you drew the short straw. Now stop whining because it makes you look bad.

Underarmed? If I'm reading this right it has > 20 missile launchers and ten torpedo tubes. In comparison with most modern ships that seems extreme. I don't really know though, I picked mindless theocracy for a reason, and I suppose I'd be up for advice on anything military.

The ship is taken up so much by implausible systems that it would appear to have no SAMs, on AShMs and SSMs. Air defense is pitiful at best.

I'll go then. Sorry for bugging you, but I thought I'd done something wrong that no-one was telling me about or someone decided to pick on me deliberately. Happens an awful lot to me for some reason.

Happens an awful lot to me for some reason.

A helpful piece of advice: Don't take things personally. This is the internet and that happens. Helped me a lot when I realized people weren't talking about me; they were just talking.

A helpful piece of advice: Don't take things personally. This is the internet and that happens. Helped me a lot when I realized people weren't talking about me; they were just talking.

Yeah - maybe I'm just a bit edgy and annoyed with my non-internet life.
Anyway, happy RPing.