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Monokratie Großsechstes Reich
The Monocracy of the Great Sixth Reich

Dear Secretary-General of the Republic of United Nations Jean-Claude Santer,

The Monocracy of the Great Sixth Reich has decided to offer its official recognition of the Republic of the United Nations. If the Republic of the United Nations were to agree to not infringe in any way on Vineyardian lands in Europe, as we hope it will, the Monocracy would like to further improve bilateral relations through embassy and consulates exchange, the opening of trade, a bilateral air transportation agreement ("open skies"), and a non-aggression pact.

We hope that these terms are agreeable, and that we can implement the agreement as soon as possible. However, if the Republic of the United Nations feels that it requires more discussion, we invite the RUN to a meeting in Munich.

Sincerely,
Otto Rommel von Heinkel, Monocrat of the Monocracy of the Great Sixth Reich
Adolf Göring, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Ludo Heinkel, Minister of Defense

OCC: Sixth, do you know what happen to Vineyard and if he is coming back?



Official Communique
The Republic of United Nations, formally requests a meeting. While, we agree with most of the terms you stated. We feel a face to face meeting between our respectable envoys is required to discuss in further details the matters of state of not only the Republic, but that of the Monokratie Großsechstes Reich as well. Some of the matters in question have to deal with national security of the Republic, which I am unable to go into greater detail with over an unsecured channel. I hope you understand.

In preparation for you accepting our request for a meeting, a message has been dispatched to the various members of the Republic to request their attendance. If, the meeting takes longer then a day, then all members should have ample time to arrive. However, since the members of the Republic in Europe are closer-they shall be the only ones represented at the meetings for the first day.

Sincerely, Jean-Claude Santer Secretary-General of the Republic

OOC: Vineyard says that he is too busy for another commitment at this time. However, I am waiting for his respond to my final question before authorizing RPs taking place inside Vineyardian land.

IC:

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Monokratie Großsechstes Reich
The Monocracy of the Great Sixth Reich

Dear Secretary-General of the Republic of United Nations Jean-Claude Santer,

The Monocracy of the Great Sixth Reich invites the RUN to a meeting in Munich tomorrow at noon with Monocrat von Heinkel, Minister of Foreign Affairs Göring, and newly appointed Ambassador to the RUN Schulz. Representatives of the individual members of the RUN are welcome to attend. The meeting will be held at Prinz-Carl-Palais in Munich. All representatives should arrive at the Oberpfaffenhofen airport in nearby Oberpfaffenhofen.

Please inform us of any security personnel that the RUN delegates intend to bring with them.

Sincerely,
Otto Rommel von Heinkel, Monocrat of the Monocracy of the Great Sixth Reich
Adolf Göring, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Heinrich Schulz, Ambassador to the Republic of the United Nations

OCC: I don't think the Bavarian Prime Minister was to happy with you when you took over his residence, still I couldn't think of a better place to hold a meeting. Looks nice, have you been there in real life? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prinz-Carl-Palais)

OBERPFAFFENHOFEN airport (http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi?id=GM22035) and Map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Oberpfaffenhofen&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=42.481621,79.101563&ie=UTF8&ll=48.085304,11.290255&spn=0.017545,0.066776&t=h&z=14&om=0)

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Official Communique

Before, I get to answering your question, I would like to kindly remind the Monokratie Großsechstes Reich that the Republic is composed of many nations not just one. It seems unfair to leave the majority of our fellow members without an easy way to contact your nation. While, we understand your reluctance in establishing so many embassies throughout the Republic-we feel it is for the better good that all nations in the Republic have an easy way to pass along a message to your government. If, you don't wish to have so many embassies and ambassadors, perhaps a consulate in each nation could be placed. This way, if one of your citizens visits a country in the Republic that doesn't or won't have an embassy, they will still have a place to turn for help if they run into trouble. At the same time, it would give that same Republican country an direct official means of contacting your nation without having to go through me or someone else on the Security Council.

This is a minor concern and I'm sure that by the end our meeting we will have resolve that problem that works for all nations. On that note, I would like to be the first to welcome Ambassador Schulz to the Republic and specially, Brussels in the United Netherlands.

OCC: Main Headquarters of the Republic is set up in Brussels. That's where all the delegates from the Republic meet and discuss the issues of the day facing not only the Republic itself, but their own nations.

[B]IC: I'll apologize for taking so long to get to your question, but I can't disclose our security arrangements over an open channel. Before, I leave tomorrow however, I promise to send you (over an secured channel) who's all coming and some of what were planning to discuss.

Sincerely, Jean-Claude Santer

OCC: I'll have that information in my next post, along with them arriving. Now I need to get to work on creating some names.

OOC: Minister of Defense Ludo Heinkel is also the Prime Minister of Bavaria; because he's in Russia right now and may join the meeting if he gets back in time, the meeting is at his Munich residence. And, unfortunately, I can't say that I've even been to Germany in real life.

IC:

The MND Office of Counter-Terrorism prepared for the visit of so many important officials. It took a number of measures, some of which included positioning plainclothes agents along the planned route from the airport to the Prinz-Carl-Palais and for blocks around the conference location, placing counter-sniper teams at key locations along the route and around the palace, using UAVs to scan for suspicious activity along the route and around the meeting location, and preparing a police and military escort for all arriving delegates.

Official Communiqué to Adolf Göring , Minister of Defence for the Monokratie Großsechstes Reich



Secret In Character[SIC]: Encrypted Message...

Dear Sir, as promised here is the information you requested concerning the security arrangements of the Republic for our upcoming meeting. Along with myself, I have been informed that the following people along with their staff and security personnel will be attending the upcoming meeting.

For the Kingdom of the United Netherlands, Prime Minister Willem Drees along with Marcel Scheffer, his Minister of Foreign Affairs and Henk Middelkoop, his Minister of Defence. Around twenty-four assistants and security personnel will be arriving with them.

For the Kingdom of Iberia, Prime Minister José María Aznar along with Luís Alonso, his Minister of Defence. In addition, about sixteen staff and security personnel will be arriving with Prime Minister Aznar.

For the Kingdom of Sweden, Prime Minister Johan Reinfeldt along with ten staff assistants and security personnel.

I’m afraid that on such short notice, the majority of the members of the Republic were unable to have someone attend the meeting. They have expressed their wish for me to speak on their behalf.

I hope this message finds you in good spirits and I look forward to meeting you...

Sincerely, Jean-Claude Santer

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IC: After, a flight of around an hour, the Dassault Falcon 900EX had finally arrived at it’s destination of Oberpfaffenhofen [EDMO]. Being the closest, the representatives for the United Netherlands along with Jean-Claude Santer were the first to arrive. As the four men and their assistants made their way to the waiting vehicles that would take them to the Prinz-Carl-Palais , those conversations that had been interrupted during the landing began to get into full swing again. Though it would still be quite some time before the rest of the remaining groups arrived, there was still plenty to do before the meetings could even began to get underway. After all, these meetings were expected to take up to a few days at least and possibly even a week. Then again, as this was the Republic’s first official visit to the Monokratie Großsechstes Reich, some sight seeing was always a distinct possibility. The Monokratie Großsechstes Reich had much to offer, after all it was at least another hour’s drive to the meeting place and another two hours at least before the rest of the representatives arrived, so there was plenty of time to kill and plenty of things to see.

OOC: Adolf Göring is Minister of Foreign Affairs; Ludo Heinkel is Minister of Defense.

IC: Otto Rommel von Heinkel and Adolf Göring arrived in Munich a day before the conference via a Luftwaffe A380 transport aircraft, because the minister of defense still had the Monocratic A380 in Moscow. Heinrich Schulz, Ambassador to the Republic of the United Nations, happened to live in Munich, meaning that he could easily commute to the conference. Deputy Minister of Defense Zbigniew Kazimierz Chechlinski, who would also be handling any defense-related topics at the meeting in replacement for Ludo Heinkel, boarded onto a Eurocopter EC 725 military helicopter to head to the conference from his office at an undisclosed location in southern Bavaria.

OCC: I know Ludo Heinkel is away right now, but any chance you could get him back to our meeting sooner then later. I'm willing to postpone the meeting for a few days to give him a chance to get back to Munich and our meeting. My guys would prefer to talk directly to the Minister of Defense instead of his Deputy. With no disrespect intended towards Zbigniew Kazimierz Chechlinski.

To save time and an unnecessary post, all my people attending this meeting have arrived and we would like the meetings to be divided into two parts.

First meeting: Jean-Claude Santer along with Prime Minister Willem Drees and his Minister of Foreign Affairs, Marcel Scheffer. Prime Minister José María Aznar and finally Prime Minister Johan Reinfeldt. This meeting would be with Otto Rommel von Heinkel and anyone else who you would like there.

Second Meeting: Henk Middelkoop and Luís Alonso. There are a few conditions the Republic would like meet for this meeting. First, that it take place in private behind closed doors and that anything said in the meeting not leave the room unless absolutely necessary. Second, the Republic would like this meeting limited to just three people. The two Republican members listed above and specifically, Ludo Heinkel.

I'll let you have the first word for our first meeting and then I'll reply.

BTW, I guess this was before I was around, but is Ludo Heinkel the brother or something of Otto Rommel von Heinkel?

OCC: I know Ludo Heinkel is away right now, but any chance you could get him back to our meeting sooner then later. I'm willing to postpone the meeting for a few days to give him a chance to get back to Munich and our meeting. My guys would prefer to talk directly to the Minister of Defense instead of his Deputy. With no disrespect intended towards Zbigniew Kazimierz Chechlinski.

To save time and an unnecessary post, all my people attending this meeting have arrived and we would like the meetings to be divided into two parts.

First meeting: Jean-Claude Santer along with Prime Minister Willem Drees and his Minister of Foreign Affairs, Marcel Scheffer. Prime Minister José María Aznar and finally Prime Minister Johan Reinfeldt. This meeting would be with Otto Rommel von Heinkel and anyone else who you would like there.

Second Meeting: Henk Middelkoop and Luís Alonso. There are a few conditions the Republic would like meet for this meeting. First, that it take place in private behind closed doors and that anything said in the meeting not leave the room unless absolutely necessary. Second, the Republic would like this meeting limited to just three people. The two Republican members listed above and specifically, Ludo Heinkel.

I'll let you have the first word for our first meeting and then I'll reply.

BTW, I guess this was before I was around, but is Ludo Heinkel the brother or something of Otto Rommel von Heinkel?
OOC: Ludo Heinkel is indeed the brother; he'll be back in Munich some time soon (I just need to finish the meeting with USSGR).

OOC: Ludo Heinkel is indeed the brother; he'll be back in Munich some time soon (I just need to finish the meeting with USSGR).

OCC: Ok, I can wait for Ludo to return. In the meantime, we can have the first meeting.

Monocrat von Heinkel warmly greeted the visiting RUN officials:
"Secretary-General Jean-Claude Santer, Prime Minister Willem Drees, Minister Marcel Scheffer, Prime Minister José María Aznar, Prime Minister Johan Reinfeldt: Welcome to the Monocracy! We hope that you all enjoy your time here, especially while we are in historic home of Bavarian prime ministers.

"We are here to discuss the conditions of the agreement that we proposed to the RUN a few days ago. In this agreement, we called for the exchange of embassies and consulates, the opening of trade, an 'open skies' agreement, and a non-aggression pact. I am confident that before long we will be able to come up with an agreement acceptable to all parties."

After a few minutes of the usual pleasantries, greetings and handshakes that always took place with official meetings, the various members of the Republic assumed their seats in the great meeting hall that was before their eyes. [OCC: Just out of curiosity, how do you picture everyone is seated? Everyone around a big round table, two desks facing each other? So on? OCC2: Ok, if I call your guy just von Heinkel or does he prefer Monocrat von Heinkel or just Monocrat or something to that effect?]

After taking their seats, the first to speak was Jean-Claude Santer, "Monocrat von Heinkel, on behalf of all who are gather here today with me and those who could not attend this meeting, it is with great honor to be gathered here today to usher in a new era for both the Republic and the Monocracy of the Great Sixth Reich. On a personal note, I would like to say what a great honor it is to finally meet you.”

“As you have so kindly provided the meeting place and have been excellent hosts to date, the honor is yours in opening up the first topic you wish to discuss. I'm sure like us you have much you wish to talk about and like me I'm sure your anxious to get started.”

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Meanwhile in Munich, with no-concrete time given when Ludo Heinkel would return from his meeting in Russia. That left Henk Middelkoop and Luís Alonso with an unknown amount of time to kill. As this was the first official visit to the Monokratie Großsechstes Reich by any member of the Republic, some sight seeing was deemed in order. Beyond the official reports, not much was known about the Reich. While, those with suspicious minds in the Reich might of called it spying and in a way it was, if the Republic was at all to maintain close relations with the Reich it first would need to understand it's people and it's culture first-hand. Besides, with both Henk Middelkoop and Luís Alonso able to speak, read and write German, the possibility of misunderstandings due to a mistranslation was remote. The Reich and specifically, Munich as it being a major city had much to offer in the ways of cultural learning.

OCC: I hate to put just an OCC message here that is off topic, but it seemed to be the best place where you would see it.

Sixth-I've been updating the records of The nations of Earth V factbook and have a few questions/statements for you.

1. Do you still owe or control the following territories? Arctic, Bouvet Island, Ellesmere Island, Liechtenstein, Maldives, Midway Islands and Timor-Leste.
2. In case you are not familar with the last name, it's now what East Timor is called instead of East Timor. If you so wish, I can make a note that the formal name of Timor-Leste was East Timor. However, until further notice I have changed you claim of East Timor to it's current name.

Thanks

After a few minutes of the usual pleasantries, greetings and handshakes that always took place with official meetings, the various members of the Republic assumed their seats in the great meeting hall that was before their eyes. [OCC: Just out of curiosity, how do you picture everyone is seated? Everyone around a big round table, two desks facing each other? So on? OCC2: Ok, if I call your guy just von Heinkel or does he prefer Monocrat von Heinkel or just Monocrat or something to that effect?]

After taking their seats, the first to speak was Jean-Claude Santer, "Monocrat von Heinkel, on behalf of all who are gather here today with me and those who could not attend this meeting, it is with great honor to be gathered here today to usher in a new era for both the Republic and the Monocracy of the Great Sixth Reich. On a personal note, I would like to say what a great honor it is to finally meet you.”

“As you have so kindly provided the meeting place and have been excellent hosts to date, the honor is yours in opening up the first topic you wish to discuss. I'm sure like us you have much you wish to talk about and like me I'm sure your anxious to get started.”

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Meanwhile in Munich, with no-concrete time given when Ludo Heinkel would return from his meeting in Russia. That left Henk Middelkoop and Luís Alonso with an unknown amount of time to kill. As this was the first official visit to the Monokratie Großsechstes Reich by any member of the Republic, some sight seeing was deemed in order. Beyond the official reports, not much was known about the Reich. While, those with suspicious minds in the Reich might of called it spying and in a way it was, if the Republic was at all to maintain close relations with the Reich it first would need to understand it's people and it's culture first-hand. Besides, with both Henk Middelkoop and Luís Alonso able to speak, read and write German, the possibility of misunderstandings due to a mistranslation was remote. The Reich and specifically, Munich as it being a major city had much to offer in the ways of cultural learning.
OOC: I pictured the meeting like this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:The_Shah_with_Atherton%2C_Sullivan%2C_Vance%2C_Carter_and_Brzezinski%2C_1977.jpg) (von Heinkel and Göring on one side, the RUN on the other). The form of address is difficult to explain because I cannot find a word for "monocrat" in German. My best advice would be to treat von Heinkel as if your character were addressing a president, but replace "president" with "monocrat."

IC:

"Secretary-General Santer, the first topic would be embassies and consulates," von Heinkel responded.

Adolf Göring, with the topic now on his area, said, "Exchanging embassies and consulates is a necessary step in establishing diplomatic relations. But a question that one might ask is: "Where?" We would be willing to have an embassy in Brussels, with consulates in Andorra la Vella, Buenos Aires, Brussels, Luxembourg, Antananarivo, Amsterdam, Lisbon, Colombo, Madrid, Caracas, Port-of-Spain, Dhaka, Stockholm, Asuncion and Montevideo. We would suggest the RUN establishes an embassy in Heinkelstadt [OOC: It does not exist in real-life, but is located south of Berlin], with consulates scattered throughout the Monocracy."
OCC: I hate to put just an OCC message here that is off topic, but it seemed to be the best place where you would see it.

Sixth-I've been updating the records of The nations of Earth V factbook and have a few questions/statements for you.

1. Do you still owe or control the following territories? Arctic, Bouvet Island, Ellesmere Island, Liechtenstein, Maldives, Midway Islands and Timor-Leste.
2. In case you are not familar with the last name, it's now what East Timor is called instead of East Timor. If you so wish, I can make a note that the formal name of Timor-Leste was East Timor. However, until further notice I have changed you claim of East Timor to it's current name.

Thanks
Yes. However, "East Timor" is perfectly acceptable; the Associated Press Stylebook still calls it that despite its official name being the French translation, as does most of the public. Given that French is not an official language in the Great Sixth Reich, it does not make much sense for the "official" name to be in French (well, if one completely followed the CIA World Factbook, it would make sense for it to be on the list that way, especially since someone might try to claim "Timor-Leste" without realizing that I have "East Timor").

OCC1: So, it's either Mr.Monocrat or Mr. von Heinkel. Which would you prefer?
OCC2: In your list of claims I did this for your claim of East Timor. Timor-Leste [Formally known as East Timor]. If, that way doesn't work for you there are a few other variations I could use.

IC: Replying to Adolf Göring's statement, Secretary-General Santer began to speak. "Mr Göring, your list is extensive and very impressive. However, as you may not be aware of all the goings on in the Republic I would like to bring the following matters to your attention.


As Brussels is both the Capital and Embassy center of the Republic, most diplomatic exchanges take place in Brussels including for the United Netherlands itself. Hence, your consulates in Amsterdam, Brussels and Luxembourg are not really required, but your still welcome to place consulates in those cities if you wish.
Relating to above, your consulates in Andorra la Vella, Lisbon, Asuncion and Montevideo would be part of the main nations those capitals are located. Lisbon, Portugal for example is part of the Iberian Kingdom whose capital and embassy center is Madrid. However, as stated before, if you so wish your more then welcome to establish consulates and/or embassies in those nations/capitals.
The Republic is in the finally process of accepting new members into the Republic. They are the Union of the Comoros-Mayotte with it's capital in Moroni, The Republic of Mauritius with it's capital of Port Louis and the Republic of Reunion with it's capital in Saint-Denis. We request that you also establish consulates in the three nations above."


"As to your suggestion, the city of Heinkelstadt is fine with us as the location of the Republic's embassy. With consulates located in the following cities- Prague(Praha), Copenhagen, Oslo, Warsaw and Zurich. We are also open to suggestions on where else you think would be a good place to place a consulate."

OCC1: So, it's either Mr.Monocrat or Mr. von Heinkel. Which would you prefer?
OCC2: In your list of claims I did this for your claim of East Timor. Timor-Leste [Formally known as East Timor]. If, that way doesn't work for you there are a few other variations I could use.

IC: Replying to Adolf Göring's statement, Secretary-General Santer began to speak. "Mr Göring, your list is extensive and very impressive. However, as you may not be aware of all the goings on in the Republic I would like to bring the following matters to your attention.


As Brussels is both the Capital and Embassy center of the Republic, most diplomatic exchanges take place in Brussels including for the United Netherlands itself. Hence, your consulates in Amsterdam, Brussels and Luxembourg are not really required, but your still welcome to place consulates in those cities if you wish.
Relating to above, your consulates in Andorra la Vella, Lisbon, Asuncion and Montevideo would be part of the main nations those capitals are located. Lisbon, Portugal for example is part of the Iberian Kingdom whose capital and embassy center is Madrid. However, as stated before, if you so wish your more then welcome to establish consulates and/or embassies in those nations/capitals.
The Republic is in the finally process of accepting new members into the Republic. They are the Union of the Comoros-Mayotte with it's capital in Moroni, The Republic of Mauritius with it's capital of Port Louis and the Republic of Reunion with it's capital in Saint-Denis. We request that you also establish consulates in the three nations above."


"As to your suggestion, the city of Heinkelstadt is fine with us as the location of the Republic's embassy. With consulates located in the following cities- Prague(Praha), Copenhagen, Oslo, Warsaw and Zurich. We are also open to suggestions on where else you think would be a good place to place a consulate."
OOC 1: "Monocrat" (without name) or "Monocrat von Heinkel."
OOC 2: That's fine.

IC:

Göring responded, after a few seconds of whispering with von Heinkel:
"Mr. Secretary-General [OOC: Is that correct?], as you know, the Monocracy stretches across the world, meaning that it might be beneficial--although we cannot speak for the RUN--to establish consulates outside of continental Europe. In addition to Heinkelstadt, Prague, Copenhagen, Oslo, Warsaw, and Zürich, some more locations to consider would be Cagliari, Dili, Malé, and Schenectady, although it would be more unlikely for RUN travelers to end up in those cities. As for the locations of our embassy and consulates, we would like to stay with our original list to ensure maximum coverage, but also add Moroni, Port Louis, and Saint-Denis."

IC:

Göring responded, after a few seconds of whispering with von Heinkel:
"Mr. Secretary-General [OOC: Is that correct?], as you know, the Monocracy stretches across the world, meaning that it might be beneficial--although we cannot speak for the RUN--to establish consulates outside of continental Europe. In addition to Heinkelstadt, Prague, Copenhagen, Oslo, Warsaw, and Zürich, some more locations to consider would be Cagliari, Dili, Malé, and Schenectady, although it would be more unlikely for RUN travelers to end up in those cities. As for the locations of our embassy and consulates, we would like to stay with our original list to ensure maximum coverage, but also add Moroni, Port Louis, and Saint-Denis."

OCC: Mr. Secretary-General is fine, as would be Mr. Santer.

Consulting for a minute with his fellow constituents gathered around him, Mr. Santer responded.

"Mr. Göring, based upon your recommendations, the Republic would like to add the following cities of Cagliari, Dili and Malé to our list for locations to establish embassies/consulates. The Republic would also be more then happy to establish an consulate in Schenectady, provided if we knew where the city of Schenectady was located. Sadly, the Republic is not familiar with that city in question.”

After taking a brief paused, Mr. Santer continued. “As to your embassy and consulates locations, once this meeting is adjured I’ll make the necessary arrangements with the local governments whose capitals or local cities you’ll be located in. Is there anything else you wish to discuss concerning embassy exchanges or are you ready to move on to the next matter that is on your mind? I think I remember you mentioning something about open air waves or something in one of your messages to us.”

After a quick glance of his notes, Mr. Santer quickly corrected himself. “Sorry, open skies is what I meant.”

Monocrat von Heinkel responded:
"Mr. Secretary-General, Schenectady is the capital of our quasi-autonomous region of Schenectady, located a few miles away from Sharina-controlled Albany, about equidistant between Montréal and New York City. It is a major center of research and development.

I believe that we both are ready to move on to the next matter: the opening of trade, including an 'open skies' agreement--an agreement that air transport routes will be decided by the free market, not governmental agreements, thereby reducing fares."

Monocrat von Heinkel responded:
"Mr. Secretary-General, Schenectady is the capital of our quasi-autonomous region of Schenectady, located a few miles away from Sharina-controlled Albany, about equidistant between Montréal and New York City. It is a major center of research and development.

I believe that we both are ready to move on to the next matter: the opening of trade, including an 'open skies' agreement--an agreement that air transport routes will be decided by the free market, not governmental agreements, thereby reducing fares."

OCC: Oh, do you just control the city of Schenectady or the entire county of Schenectady (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenectady_County%2C_New_York)? and why isn't that territory listed in your claims list? :headbang: Also, considering the Republic and Sharina aren't exactly seeing eye to eye, it might be a little bit odd to have an embassy surrounded on all sides by his territory. However, if he/she never comes back-it would be nice to have an embassy there.

Santer Speaking again, "Monocrat von Heinkel. While the city of Schenectady sounds like a great place to have a consulate in, the Republic is worried how this might be viewed by the Sharina Technocracy . Our two nations at this moment are not exactly on the best terms."

"As to the Open Skies agreement, putting aside that the Republic does not fully trust the Free Market to always provided the best outcome. [OCC: If you read my nationstates page it says it all, "the wealthy and those in business tend to be viewed with suspicion"]. We are however, willing to keep an open mind as much as possible on what you have to say. Hopefully, we can come to some agreement as the Republic does feel some type of [I]Open Air agreement is needed to ease congestion and speed up the delivery of goods and people."

"Furthermore, while were on the topic of transportation the Republic would like to add an Open Road agreement to the table. At it's heart, the agreement would allow citizens of the countries in the Republic or the Monokratie Großsechstes Reich to cross each other's borders without passports or other forms of identity and without if possible having to pay any fees. An exception would be made during times of crisis or war when borders could be sealed off."

After finishing, Mr. Santer looked at the delegates of the Monokratie Großsechstes Reich sitting across from him and waited patiently for their response.

A bump for reply, hopefully.

OCC: Oh, do you just control the city of Schenectady or the entire county of Schenectady (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenectady_County%2C_New_York)? and why isn't that territory listed in your claims list? :headbang: Also, considering the Republic and Sharina aren't exactly seeing eye to eye, it might be a little bit odd to have an embassy surrounded on all sides by his territory. However, if he/she never comes back-it would be nice to have an embassy there.

Santer Speaking again, "Monocrat von Heinkel. While the city of Schenectady sounds like a great place to have a consulate in, the Republic is worried how this might be viewed by the Sharina Technocracy . Our two nations at this moment are not exactly on the best terms."

"As to the Open Skies agreement, putting aside that the Republic does not fully trust the Free Market to always provided the best outcome. [OCC: If you read my nationstates page it says it all, "the wealthy and those in business tend to be viewed with suspicion"]. We are however, willing to keep an open mind as much as possible on what you have to say. Hopefully, we can come to some agreement as the Republic does feel some type of [I]Open Air agreement is needed to ease congestion and speed up the delivery of goods and people."

"Furthermore, while were on the topic of transportation the Republic would like to add an Open Road agreement to the table. At it's heart, the agreement would allow citizens of the countries in the Republic or the Monokratie Großsechstes Reich to cross each other's borders without passports or other forms of identity and without if possible having to pay any fees. An exception would be made during times of crisis or war when borders could be sealed off."

After finishing, Mr. Santer looked at the delegates of the Monokratie Großsechstes Reich sitting across from him and waited patiently for their response.
OOC: Sorry about the delay; I forgot about this thread.

As for Schenectady: The Monocracy owns the entire county, plus a tiny bit of southern Saratoga County--only the towns immediately on the shoreline of the Mohawk River.

IC:

"Mr. Secretary-General, we suggest an 'Open Skies' agreement with the following conditions [OOC: Which I largely took from the Wikipedia page for a sample open skies agreement]:

No restrictions on international route rights, number of designated airlines, capacity, frequencies, and types of aircraft--except for clearly stated safety and/or environmental reasons.
All carriers — designated and non-designated — of the RUN and the Monocracy may establish sales offices in the other state, and convert earnings and remit them in hard currency promptly and without restrictions. Designated carriers are free to provide their own ground-handling services — "self handling" — or choose among competing providers. Airlines and cargo consolidators may arrange ground transportation of air cargo and are guaranteed access to customs services.
Designated airlines may enter into code-sharing or leasing arrangements with airlines of either state, or with those of third states, subject to usual regulations. Code-sharing between airlines and surface transportation companies is authorized.
If and when the RUN provides explosive detection--of checked baggage, carry-on luggage, and persons (metal detectors do not detect explosives)--as part of its airport security at airports with service to the Monocracy, the Monocracy will allow passengers arriving from the RUN to proceed directly to connecting flights rather than having to go through a security checkpoint for a second time.

With such an agreement, air travel becomes significantly easier. Is this agreeable? I have heard that Lufthansa wishes to start service from Heinkelstadt, Frankfurt, and Munich to Amsterdam as soon as possible once we reach an agreement in this area. LOT also intends to start service from Warsaw and Kraków, while LTU wants to start serving Amsterdam from Düsseldorf.

As for an 'Open Roads' agreement, we would agree to a visa-waiving program and the elimination of passport-possession requirements. We cannot agree to the elimination of identification checks at this point (although citizens of the RUN or the Monocracy would not need a passport, they would need some form of identification), nor are we likely to in the future due to security concerns."

After a few minutes of silence while reviewing the Monocracy proposal with his fellow delegates, Mr. Santer finally replied. “After carefully reviewing your proposal, the Republic can see no major problems in agreeing to those terms set in your proposal. However, before that agreement can be signed into law throughout the Republic, I would need to consult with the governments in South America, Africa and Southeast Asia and get their input. With that said, I don’t foresee any major problems they [OCC: The governments of the nations not attending this meeting.] would have with that agreement and in the meantime we can began the process of adapting those agreements into law throughout the nations of Europe that are part of the Republic.”

OCC2: Those destinations you wish to start, are they the first in what will be a explosive of air travel routes or just additions to any already pretty establish air service between the Republic and the Monocracy. Because, considering relations between the Republic and it’s predecessor and the Monocracy have been nothing, but excellent for the most part it would make sense that firmly establish air routes and other forms of travel between the Republic and the Monocracy would already be well in place. These agreements would just make it “official” and iron out any kinks that might have develop over the last few decades or so with the numerous changes our nations have undergone and witness.

As Mr. Santer listen to Monocrat von Heinkel give his input on the Open Roads Agreement, Santer could barely contain the wide grin on his face as he tried to contain his laughter from erupting after something odd the Monocrat had just said. “Please forgive me as I’m not all that familiar with Monocracy law, but within the Republic a passport is consider a form of ID and the standard one within the Republic at that. So, for all practical purposes a passport and/or visa would be required to enter the Monocracy unless the Monocracy has come up with some other type of identification that the Republic can adapt that is as international recognized as a passport or visa. By your government requiring a form of identification to enter the Monocracy, we don’t see how a visa-waiving program or the elimination of passport-possession requirements could be successfully implemented. So, forgive me for being blunt, but while we fully understand the need for security, an Open Roads Agreement like the Open Skies Agreement you proposed would make road travel for both businesses and visitors significantly easier as well as less costly between the Republic and the Monocracy.”

Continuing his train of thought, Santer added, “This agreement were proposing for road travel wouldn’t need to be implemented immediately, however a basic agreement would go a long way towards getting the process started that when security should no longer be a prime concern would allow the agreement to take effect that much easier and without a major discussion as is taking place now. The ultimate goals of this agreement is to establish a closer union between our two nations for the benefit of all our citizens. A European Union.”

OOC: Those proposed routes are "the first in what will be a explosive of air travel routes"; there could not have been previous air service because of the reduction in international service due to the War of the Americas and the fact that the Monocracy never offered official recognition of the RUN until this very meeting.

OOC2: Almost everyone in the RUN has a passport? That's not usually the case throughout the world. In real life, Belgians must carry a national ID card at all times. But if RUN citizens have widespread accessibility to passports, travel really isn't that impaired now, and with a visa-waiving program, all those who want to travel to the Monocracy can travel without completing paperwork.

OCC: Considering the War of the Americans never officially happened, a reduction of air service wouldn't have happen along with it. Besides, even taking into count that you did reduce air service that event would of occurred over at least 24 years ago with 1 RL week being equal to 1 EV year. Even using slower time in some cases that's still at least over 10 years which is why I just assumed that after things calmed down and everything was peaceful again air service and other forms of travel would of resumed. Little odd that after two decades of peace of still not allowing your citizens to travel abroad, but then again it's your nation.

As for recognition of the RUN, there's nothing to recognize as it's not a country/nation but merely an alliance of nations. Think NATO plus UN with a few twists. The RUN has no authority unless given authority by the nations that make up the RUN alliance. If, you would like I can give you a current list of RUN nations{members}.

OCC2: Those that travel to other nations not within the Republic, yes need and have a passport as is to be expected. However, travel between those nations within the Republic is a lot easier. No national ID card is required and if is it a drivers licenses or passport or some form other basic universal form of ID usually suffices. I never said it was impaired, I was just trying to work out a agreement where no ID and it's annoying paperwork would be needed to travel throughout the Monocracy. I was also hoping to get a similar agreement with the UCF and the Sharina Technocracy. This way, citizens of the Republic could say travel from Sweden all the way to Spain and vice-verse, etc...

See the Schengen Agreement for a better idea of what I'm talking about.

OOC 1: But I micromanage my air transportation network (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520977), usually including the inclusion of air transportation agreements as part of the diplomatic recognition conference or letter. So, air service starts now.

OOC 2: I'm already familiar with Schengen--in fact, I had it in my mind when I read your proposal the first time.

IC:

"We cannot waive the identification requirement at this point, nor do we expect to do so any time in the near future; while completely free, unrestricted travel is beneficial economically, it can easily have disastrous security consequences. We can, however, waive the visa requirement, thereby eliminating virtually all paperwork needed to travel through or live in the Monocracy for six months or less."

OCC: OK, but for the record is seems a little odd for your nation to have been without international air service for so long, but I digress. BTW, would you mind if I used your thread you linked to, to post RUN air routes to and from the Monocracy along with which airliners are flying those routes?

IC: Mr. Santer speaking, "I see, while it is unfortunate that due to the instability in Europe you still feel the need for heighten security measures, we understand your concerns. Perhaps, when Europe is not in such a hotbed of political instability you will be willing to reopen this matter for discussion at a later date. Until such time, as a sign of good faith and our hopefully desire to bring together a more united and peaceful Europe, the RUN nations of Europe are in the final stages of implementing an open borders policy. That will it hopes in the long run create a more unified and peaceful world. While the borders of the United Netherlands, Iberia and Sweden will be open to all without the need for a visa, passport or any other form of national ID. However, a RUN visa will need to be acquired if any of your citizens plan to stay/live within the Republic for more then a month. In addition, while the border will be open, the border posts will remain in case of an national or international emergency that calls higher security measures to be implemented."

"With that said, I thank your Sir for waiving the visa requirement as a start in the hope that one day no security measures will be needed."

"Before, we continue onto another subject. The Republic has two small issues that relates to the Open Air and Open Road agreements that it would like to bring to your attention. First, with Republican Sweden have been restored from decades worth of instability and the reopening of the Oresund Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oresund_Bridge), the Republic would like to come to an agreement with your nation that sees the elimination or at least reduction of the toll[fees] to users of the bridge. Along with if and when possible of course, the elimination of security check points to ease traffic congestion."

"Second, as I'm sure your nation is fully aware of by now, the nation of Kopparbergs has like many nations in recent years, succumb to instability or worse civil war. What you might not been aware of was that before our ally and friend collapsed into chaos, our two governments had began preliminary discussions about the possibility of building a rail and/or road tunnel connecting Europe to Afirca and vice-verse. Though the nation of Kopparbergs has fallen into disarray, the Iberian Kingdom with assistance from other members of the Republic have decided to go ahead with the project on it's own and as the first step in that process, we are planning to send a peacekeeping force into North Africa to secure those nations so that their new governments may have an easier time adjusting to the new realities of the world. What we, [The Republic] would like to inquire from you is if your are interested in joining and supporting this future project?"

OCC: Since, this meeting started before I have sent any forces into North Africa, those events taking place in A Convenient Lie haven't happen yet hence the past and future tense words instead of present tense. Once, I finished the roleplay in A Convenient Lie, I plan to put up a thread that deals entirely with the project.

OOC: Sorry about the delay, once again. After a few more weeks, though, I'll be able to make significant posts every day when needed.

IC:

"We agree to the reopening of the Oresund Bridge without toll fees. While we cannot agree to the elimination of border checkpoints, we would like to propose a pre-approved traveler program that virtually eliminates the wait time for all those interested who are approved [OOC: Like NEXUS]. Applicants to the program would be required to submit an application to their respective government agency, visit the agency to undergo a background check, be interviewed, and get biometric data taken, after which the application would be sent to the other government for reciprocal approval before the biometric identification pre-approved traveler card is issued.

"We are also interested in supporting the project. However, we would need more information about what assistance is wanted before we can commit."

OCC: Don't worry about it, real life takes priority. Unless this is real life and the other world is made up by some guy/girl sitting at his/her computer. :D:rolleyes:

OCC2: Since, you mentioned it OCC, I thought it best to put my question about it here. Would your government, the Monocracy be open to an international wide NEXUS program or at least something similar? That type of program would seem along with the elimination of visa requirements as the best way to ease travel restrictions as well as maintain border security.

OCC3: I don't have much more information as I've only done a little bit of research on it and I haven't fully worked out all the details as I was going to do that when I posted the thread, but I'll post here what I got so far.

IC:

Mr. Santer speaking, "Before, I commit myself or encourage the other members of the Republic to sign on, I have a few questions. First, this program you propose, would it be just between Sweden and the Monocracy or are you open to the idea of one more international in scope? Second, all that information is going to be collected somewhere and information can be abused if it falls into the wrong hands. My concern is making sure all that information stays in the right hands and is not used to violate the privacy nor used to discriminate against the citizens of the Republic. The Republic would need reassures (OCC: I.E. be able to view the place where this information would be kept, etc...) now and in the future that this information would be highly guarded and not given to just anyone to view. Third and final question, how would you feel if a similar program as the one you proposed were set up throughout the Republic that would require your citizens to submit to all the same guidelines as would be required for all Republican citizens wishing to travel to the Monocracy if they used this program."

"Were glad you have taken an interest in the project. As for your request for more information, it's not a lot, but I tell you what I have been informed of. Right now, the project is merely on the drawing board and hasn't even gotten a budget yet. While, both a road/rail tunnel has been studied, due to the length and depth the tunnel would be in, a rail tunnel currently seems the only practical possibility. However, in the future a road/rail tunnel might be possible. Until such time, a rail tunnel has been deemed to be the most cost effective as well as the most practical. A definite location hasn't been picked out yet, but one is expected soon."

"As for the size of international participation the Republic was looking at. As this project is finally going to connect two massive continents once and for. The Republic is interested in acquiring as much international support as needed to take up some of the cost to help build the project that is expected to cost billions of Euros. In return for international support, depending if their national companies meet the required specifications, those companies would be part of one of the greatest human endeavors ever attempted. In addition, the project would bring jobs and money to those nations whose companies win the contract."

OCC4: I guess you missed it, but you forget to answer my question in the last post. Here it is again quoted and bolded so you don't miss it this time. BTW, would you mind if I used your thread you linked to, to post RUN air routes to and from the Monocracy along with which airliners are flying those routes?

"First of all, we believe that the program could be successfully implemented between the Republic and the Monocracy as a whole, but perhaps the Denmark-Sweden border would prove a suitable test site. Second, we intend to store the data in servers at Erding Air Force Base, the triple-encrypted data of which would then be available to customs officials through an intranet. We would allow Republic officials to visit the site, but ask that our officials would be able to do the same for the data stored on our citizens in the Republic. As for your third question, we are open to the idea.

"We would also be honored to assist in the Republic's endeavor to link Europe to Africa. The Monocracy is prepared to offer financial assistance to help reduce the burden on the Republic, and our companies would be interested in competing for the contracts [OOC: especially ThyssenKrupp AG]."

OOC4: That's fine.

OCC: Just a reminder, but I'm still waiting for that private meeting with your defense minister.

IC: "The Republic couldn't think of a better place to start that trial program and furthermore, we see no problem with your officials visiting the data storage site(s) which of course would be highly guarded and protected with the best encryption technology possible. This would also allow our various nations to compare systems to make sure everything is working."

"We are delighted beyond belief that you have decided to join the project, that is once it gets underway. As additional details get worked out, I make sure to send you of copy on the current progress of the project and hopefully get your nations feedback."

"Before, we continue on to the next topic, there is one last thing. We have decided not to place an Consulate in Schenectady at least not until the relations with the Sharina Technocracy become more clearer. As they are of right now is unknown as the Republic has only had limited contact with the nation for some time."

"With all that said, what's next on the agenda or would you like to take this time for a lunch break as you don't look to well, Sir?"

The United Socialist States of New Brittonia supports the establishment of diplomatic ties throughout the world and would like to possibly visit the nations of the world.

Signed,

Foreign Minister of the United Socialist States of New Brittonia
Nabila Katchab

OCC: Just a reminder, but I'm still waiting for that private meeting with your defense minister.

IC: "The Republic couldn't think of a better place to start that trial program and furthermore, we see no problem with your officials visiting the data storage site(s) which of course would be highly guarded and protected with the best encryption technology possible. This would also allow our various nations to compare systems to make sure everything is working."

"We are delighted beyond belief that you have decided to join the project, that is once it gets underway. As additional details get worked out, I make sure to send you of copy on the current progress of the project and hopefully get your nations feedback."

"Before, we continue on to the next topic, there is one last thing. We have decided not to place an Consulate in Schenectady at least not until the relations with the Sharina Technocracy become more clearer. As they are of right now is unknown as the Republic has only had limited contact with the nation for some time."

"With all that said, what's next on the agenda or would you like to take this time for a lunch break as you don't look to well, Sir?"
"Indeed, I believe it is about time that we eat lunch."

Meanwhile, Ludo Heinkel arrived in Munich from Moscow for the private meeting.

"Indeed, I believe it is about time that we eat lunch."

Meanwhile, Ludo Heinkel arrived in Munich from Moscow for the private meeting.

OCC: I'm assuming the meeting(s) are resuming after lunch.

IC: After a long six hours of nothing, but sitting and talking. Jean was glad to be able to get up and walk around, specially with that annoying pain in his lower back and *** he had been dealing with for the last hour. From what he could tell, it would seem that his guests seated across from him were glad too to have a break. No human being was meant to sit that long and there were still more subjects to discuss and cover. This was indeed going to be a long gathering. Still, even in that short time so far a lot had been worked out and agreed too, furthermore with the arrival of their defense minister back from Moscow. The true meetings could finally begin, the main reason the Republic had wanted these meetings.

Though unusual, Jean had requested a two hour lunch break instead of the standard one hour and hoped the Monocracy wouldn't be duly upset by the extended lunch, but after six hours of roundabout talks. Jean needed a good break and this was it. For two hours, Jean relaxed as he slowly ate and enjoyed his fine meal of Homemade Chicken Noodle Soup and a sandwich that was unique to the area. This allowed him to clear his mind and gather his thoughts for the topics to be discussed once the meeting recommenced. He had a feeling the topic of the Vineyard Empire would come up and that was one topic he was not looking forward to discussing and was thankful it hadn't come up in the first part of their talks with the Monocracy.

With lunch over, the Republican delegates made their way back to the meeting hall and resumed their previous seats they had before the meeting was adjured. After, a quick exchange of pleasantries, the meeting resumed. Before, the meeting delved into depth to a new topic, Jean had a quick subject to bring up that had been relayed to him from his ally in the UCF.

Mr Santer Speaking, "Monocrat von Heinkel, as you well know, the Republic and it's neighbors have had nothing, but good relations with the Monocracy. As such, the Republic as well as it's friends in the United Citizens Federation would like to inquire your position on forming some type of European Alliance? If, you want to take some time to think about it, that's fine. Until, then were ready to discuss the next topic."

Meanwhile, Henk Middelkoop and Luís Alonso after a pleasant day of visiting Munich arrived back at the Prinz-Carl-Palais for the meeting with the Monocracy defense minister, Ludo Heinkel. The true business at hand could now officially begin.

"The Monocracy has a policy of avoiding membership in alliances. Therefore, we do not wish to join the European Alliance, although we would be interested in participating as an observer.

"As for the next topic, we wish to discuss the opening of trade between the Republic and the Monocracy. We would like to propose a bilateral investment treaty guaranteeing fair and equitable treatment, protection from expropriation, free transfer of means, and full protection and security for Republican and Monocratic private investors."

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Ludo Heinkel arrived at the Prinz-Carl-Palais, finally back from his trip to Russia. He was becoming fatigued, yet he vowed to not hold off this meeting any longer than it already had been by his being in Russia.

He walked into the smaller of the two guarded rooms, where he would have the closed-doors meeting with Henk Middelkoop and Luís Alonso. He introduced himself to the two gentlemen and asked them what they would like to discuss with him.

“After, the many near conflicts with the Vineyard Empire, the Sharina Technocracy and the burden the EATO alliance proved itself to be sometimes, we can fully understand and appreciate your policy. However, I would like to clarify something. What the Republic has in mind and is proposing is NOT AN ALLIANCE, but a Union per say for lack of a better word. This Agreement would only come into effect in it’s simplest form when the safety and integrity of the European Continent or a European nation if so specified was directly threaten by some hostile power located outside the designated borders of Europe. How this agreement would handle local conflicts between the nations of Europe remains to be resolved, if further discussion on the matter does indeed even take place.”

“In closing, just to make sure we are perfectly clear, again what we are proposing is not an alliance. This agreement for lack of a better term would be location specific and cover Europe and only Europe. Conflicts taking place outside the borders of Europe, will be left to the individual nation(s) fighting them and the standard diplomatic options. Furthermore, no nation or nations of Europe would be required under any circumstances to come to the aid of other European nations that find themselves in a war either by their own actions or by some hostile power. Finally, for the record the Republic would like to state that it has officially adapted a policy of non-alignment and as it’s first act has submitted it’s withdraw from the EATO alliance.”

OCC: I’m not exactly sure what you mean by free transfer of means and I couldn’t find anything on it to explain what exactly it is to figure out what you meant. So, if you could clarify or reword what you meant by “free transfer of means”, that would be great. Thanks.

IC: Upon hearing the new topic, a small smile:) creped across Santer’s face. “My friends, you’ll be happy to know that such a treaty is already well in place and the details already worked out. As I’m sure you well know the Republic is composed of many nations and as such the establishment of a in-depth trade agreement was among one of the Republic’s first priorities upon it’s founding. As such, simply adding the Monocracy to the existing trade treaty as an observer or limited member would allow the Monocracy to enjoy the same benefits those in the Republic already enjoy without the need for additional bureaucracy or paperwork.

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Quietly glancing at the Monocracy’s Minister of Defense, both Henk and Luís couldn’t help but, observed that Mr. Heinkel, (Ludo) seem to be not only a little tired, but kind of annoyed. As the Senior of the two Republican Ministers in the room, Henk Middelkoop spoke first and in perfect German. “I don’t mean to sound rude and forgive me if I do, but you seem a little tired and if you wish to reschedule this meeting to tomorrow morning or some other time that’s fine with us.” At that, Luís nodded his head in agreement. If, there was one thing the Republic didn’t need, that was a tired and not to pleasant defense minister. Just to much was riding on Mr. Ludo Heinkel for there to be any misunderstandings even if they were minuscule.

OOC: "Free transfer of means" would be mean the ability for investors to freely (i.e., without governmental restriction) transfer returns, compensations, contract payments, management expenses, dispute payments, license royalties, and proceeds from liquidation and sale into and out of each country.

IC:

Von Heinkel and Göring consulted with each other for a minute.

"We are interested in both of your offers: Adding the Monocracy to the existing Republican trade treaty and co-founding a European collective defense union. Of course, we would appreciate more details on both before making any commitments," von Heinkel said.

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Ludo Heinkel chuckled for a few seconds, and then he said, "Forgive me if I seem anxious to get to the point, but I'm simply a straight-forward man; I'm not any more tired than usual. Now, I've been looking forward to meeting you two for some time now, so I'd appreciate it if we could start this meeting." [OOC: Remember that the Republic never sent any details as to what topics this meeting covers.]

Mr Santer speaking again, "While I can't speak for all the nations in the Republic on their individual economic policies[OCC: Some have more governmental regulations and restrictions then others], I can state that the RUN trade treaty does cover Free transfer of means. Should you require further clarification on this matter, I direct you to my friends gather here with me and those whose leaders were unable to attend at such short notice due to other pressing concerns.”

OCC2: Expanding upon OCC1, the more developed economies of the Republic, mostly the European nations[United Netherlands, Sweden, Iberian Kingdom] are going to have more restrictions vs the more developing economies such as those nations in the Republic located in Asia with those in South America being in the middle somewhat. Though as more time goes by, things change as I roleplaying those nations developing more. Just something to keep in mind and sorry for the long OCC interruption.

IC: Santer, "Well, as I guess could be expected, the RUN trade treaty is your sort of standard treaty covering trade. It is designed to protect individual nations of the Republic from being taken advantage of by other members of the Republic or by other nation-states of the world while at the same time promoting as best as possible the transfer of wealth from one nation to the other as easily as possible." [OCC3: Wealth in this case meaning anything a nation trades that benefits it's economic situation. If needed, I could come up with a list of what this treaty covers, however that would take some time and that’s work I rather not have to do.]

"Well as I stated before, there are no details per say on what a European defense union would be as at this current time the idea(s) are in their preliminary stage and much discussion and work remains to be done. As you have shown an interest in this idea, the Republic would welcome any ideas you have about a possible European [Defensive] Union. We have also been in contact with the UCF about this idea and though from our impression they desire something a little more sophisticated then either the Republic or the Monocracy desires or needs, they, the UCF have signaled their interest in some kind of Defensive Union. The Republic would be glad to share it's ideas with the Monocracy as it has with the UCF, however it should be noted that these ideas are just that, a work in progress and in their simplest form. With your input I'm sure we can refine these ideas and after sharing them with the UCF come to some type of agreement that is not overly complex and begins the task of bringing about a United Europe."

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[B]SSIC:Henk Middelkoop speaking, "Very well then, I can appreciate a man who wants to get straight to the point. However, if you'll bear with me for a little longer I just have a quick statement to make. The Republic would like to apologized for keeping you in the dark about the defense meeting topics, however we felt that the best way to keep the topics as secret as possible, was not to state them at all. So again, I apologize.

Now to the business at hand, to begin with the Republic{United Netherlands, The Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka and The Republic of Gran Venezuela[OCC: The countries I first claimed]} would like to renew those production rights in acquired all those years ago that might have expired. In addition, the Republic is interested in acquiring some additional weapons and possibly their production rights from the Monocracy.

After that is worked out, we have some business arrangements we would like to discuss, but first things first we'd like to begin with what we mention earlier."

After some brief whispering with Göring, von Heinkel said, "We'd agree to this RUN trade treaty. To finalize the details, please send the full text to our government as soon as possible. [OOC: As long as there are no surprises in the treaty, just writing that you sent the full-text treaty is enough to finish it.]

"As for the European defense union, we would prefer to meet jointly with the RUN and UCF to discuss details.”

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Ludo Heinkel raised his eyebrows when he heard “production rights.”
“Mr. Middelkoop,” Heinkel said, “We need verifiable assurance that these production rights do not include international sales. Selling military technology abroad is a difficult issue, and no nation wants to see other nations selling its best weapons to menaces in the world.”

OCC: Ok, as for surprises. I can’t say there won’t be any for sure, but there is a Republican Trade Commission you could file a compliant with if one of your businesses or government felt it was being cheated. As I said it’s your standard trade treaty, so it’s not going to be overly complex. So, in some cases you may feel you got a better deal or in others you may feel bitter. Each nation has it’s own economic policy and I try to roleplay each nation I create as unique as possible [not always easy]. However, as all that is going to be going on in the background for the most part, unless you or we decided to start a roleplaying covering those specific topics I don’t foresee any major surprises if any.

As for the text, I’ll go you one better.

IC: Mr. Santer speaking, “I thought that request might come up” and at that Mr. Santer handed the Monocracy representatives a plan vanilla envelope. “Inside, you’ll find a copy of the Republic’s Trade Treaty and Polices for your review. Once you’ve had a chance to go through the documents, you can send us your signature confirming that you wish to become an observer in the Republican Treaty covering trade.”

On the European defense union, “In that case, will let the topic rest for now to be reopened at a later date.”

“Before we begin a new topic, does the Monocracy have any final thoughts on the previous subjects we just discussed as the Republic does? After much consideration, we the Republic and it’s member nations have decided to indeed place an embassy/consulate in Schenectady.”

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Seeing the Monocracy defense minister’s interest peak, neither Henk nor Luís could tell if the facial expression on Mr. Heinkel’s face was a good sign or a bad one. Either way, they would find out soon enough. Mr. Middelkoop speaking, “That is an understandable concern and one the Republic all too well understands. The verifiable assurance you seek is easy enough to provide to you and if you'll bear with me one moment”. At that, Henk reached down into his briefcase and begin to flip through a stack of papers located inside. “Aw, here it is. This document (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13139265&postcount=112) should provided the assurance you seek.” With that, Henk handed the document over to Mr. Heinkel.

Mr. Middelkoop continuing, “However, our records do show that why the various defense companies of the Republic were forbidden to sell production rights on said equipment to other nations we were allowed to sell individual units with a percent of the sale going to the Monocracy. That is correct, is it not? If so, the Republic wishes to renew and reaffirm that deal if not expand upon it. If re-agreed to, the Republic would like to open discussion on procuring additional defense equipment from the Monocracy as well production rights for some items of equipment for the Republic’s exclusive use.”

OOC1: You wrote that we may "become an observer in the Republican Treaty covering trade," but I'm not sure what you mean by "observer" in that context, and whether it's different from "member."

OCC2: I loved how you called a post on Earth V a "document" and integrated it IC. :) But do you also happen to have a link to the original agreement? I have long since forgotten what it included.

OOC1: You wrote that we may "become an observer in the Republican Treaty covering trade," but I'm not sure what you mean by "observer" in that context, and whether it's different from "member."

OCC2: I loved how you called a post on Earth V a "document" and integrated it IC. :) But do you also happen to have a link to the original agreement? I have long since forgotten what it included.

OCC1: Actually, it's the same thing I just left off the word member this time. If you see my post #35, 4th paragraph you'll see that I used both in the context. As to what I mean, as a observer you would be able to partake within the Trade Treaty without having to officially become a member of the Republic. So, you would be a "observer member" or shorten to just observer as I did in my last post to save time. I hope that clears up your confusion.

OCC2: :D You like that huh? Don't feel bad though, I too had long since forgotten hence my IC statement, "Is that correct?". Though I didn't have a link to the original agreement, after I little bit of time consuming searching I found the posts the agreement(s) were in.

Post #1 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11578440&postcount=330)
Post #2 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11580080&postcount=335)
Post #3 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11606116&postcount=389)

Otto von Heinkel said, "We are pleased that the Republic plans to open a consulate in Schenectady. It will make it significantly easier for citizens from the RUN to conduct business, as well as making it easier to visit the many tourist attractions in Schenectady.

"We are happy that we were able to accomplish everything on the agenda in a single day, and would like to know if there's anything else we should discuss."

[OOC: There actually are almost no tourist attractions in Schenectady, and the OOC time of this one-day meeting was eight months. :)]

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Heinkel said, "An agreement for royalty payments settles that issue, gentlemen, assuming any of our best technologies that we wish to sell are kept for RUN-exclusive use. Now, I'd like to hear you elaborate on that last sentence: What exact equipment do you need? What are you proposing?"

OCC: Well, hopefully we can finish it up before it becomes ten months. Though, my missing your edited post for 2+ weeks didn’t help speed things up. As for the tourist attractions, the Republic will have to see about changing that. I foresee Schenectady becoming the gateway to North America for the Republic. How’s that for an incentive.

IC: Santer, “Were pleased that the Monocracy is pleased, though it was a difficult decision considering the circumstances, but after much squabbling between the various members of the Republic a decision was finally reached. Though the Republic felt opening an consulate in Schenectady might be viewed by the Sharina Technocracy not in the best of light considering relations between the various nations of the Republic, specifically Venezuela and the Sharina Technocracy are still almost non-existent to hostile. In the end, the Republic decided that a consulate in Schenectady was worth the risk and would kill two birds with one stone. First, it would fully establish Republican contact with all areas of the Monocracy. Second, the consulate could act as a bridge between the Republic, through the Monocracy and the nation of Sharina by showing the Sharina Technocracy that the Republic is indeed committed to solving it’s international problems through peaceful means more then through the utility of force. In addition, a distinct possibility is that the region of Schenectady could become the epicenter of diplomatic relations in North and South America.”

OCC2: Do you still wish to discuss the Vineyard Empire and it’s fall, if not then I only have two more small issues I liked to bring up then I would consider this main meeting over and a rounding success?

SIC: The Defense Meeting Continues...

Mr Middelkoop speaking, “For clarification, would those royalty payments[9.75%] be the same as the last deal for all the equipment on individual units of course or is the percentage open to negation? As agreed beforehand, the requested production rights is for the Republic’s sole use and any request(s) nations place with us for those production rights supplied by the Monocracy we be directed towards your government.”

Mr. Middelkoop continuing, “Again, if you’ll bear with me one moment.” At that, Henk again began to dig through his paper filled briefcase and proceeded to hand a document over to the Monocratic defense minister. “Here is a list of products and production rights the Republic wishes to acquire from the Monocracy.”

Production Rights for Equipment to be renewed:
Leopard 2A6/2E MBT in addition to the Leopard 2(S) for the Swedish Army
Fuchs 2
Gepard
PzH 2000 SPH
Flyvefisken Class (SF 300)
U214 Class Submarine

New Equipment Purchases:
Production Rights for the Naval Strike Missile (NSM)
Production Rights for the Pilatus PC-7 Mk II Turbo Trainer
Upgrade of 19 Republican PC-7s to PC-7 Mk II standard
Production Rights for the Dingo 2
Acquisition of the 48 F-16C/Ds Block 52 fighters in Polish Air Force Reserve[*Canceled*]
Renewed Production Rights for the various versions of the G-36 Rifle
Production Rights for the MG4 Machine gun
A fixed firm contract on the supply of MP-5 Submachine guns


OCC3: As stated by the Earth rules, nations are allowed to use that equipment their RL nations have. Well Poland order 48 fighters back in 2003/06 when delivery started and all or most have been delivered at this point. They were 36 F-16C Block 52+ and 12 F-16Ds Block 52+. So, while you didn't order them outright, I believe your still allowed to use equipment that is order in the background and becomes part of the RL nation officially. However, I leave the final decision to you concerning equipment purchases for nations that happen after a member takes over a RL country and starts to diverge. Personally, for the record I think it should be allowed as it factors in a bit of reality. So, if possible I would like to buy those fighters off from the Monocracy, if you have no use for them. Sorry for the long OCC message at the end.

OOC2: Discussing Vineyard is not necessary in the main meeting, but we should discuss it in the defense meeting.

IC:

After writing down and reviewing the list for a few seconds, Ludo Heinkel said, "Remember: 'The requested production rights is for the Republic’s sole use and any request(s) nations place with [the RUN] for those production rights supplied by the Monocracy we be directed towards' the Monocracy. That being said, we agree to the list, although Poland does not possess any F-16s. As for the royalties, we would prefer not to alter the previous number unless the Republic significantly disagrees with it."

OOC3: The real-life-military-equipment-already-existing rule only applies to states not present (i.e., not controlled by a player) for a substantial period of time, and new Earth V states who do not wish to "custom build" their militaries through "shopping" with other Earth V states. Since Poland has never had F-16s during its five RL years on Earth V, it doesn't make any sense to suggest that it can sell them.

OCC: Ok, then in that case I only have those two small topics I liked to bring up and then I consider the main meeting adjured.

OCC2: Um, you didn't answer my question or at least I couldn't find an answer to my question, so allow me to rephrase.
Can Earth V member nations use the real life equipment of their nations that were acquired or entered service after they took over that particular nation? Note: I don't mean acquired through an order purchase in Earth V.

Unfortunately, I'm going to need a definite ruling from you on this issue as it will effect how I roleplay in the coming future. I'm sorry to bother you with this issue here, but the issue has been on my mind for sometime and now seemed like the best time to bring it up. This is after all a meeting. :wink:

So, yes while your correct in that both your Poland and the RL one hasn't had F-16s for the past five years Earth V has been around, the fact of the matter is things have changed and now RL Poland does. What I'm asking is if the Monocractic Poland can use that equipment their RL counterpart order for use in Earth V and if so, could the Republic purchase them. Another Example, though the RL Venezuela order Su-30s, Mi-35 helicopters along with a few other items before or about the same time I took over the country to roleplay from it's Non-Player Status, that equipment at the time had not entered in service with Real Life Venezuela. At this point in time [August-2008], most of that equipment has entered service with it's real life counterpart. Again, what I am asking is if I can use that equipment that entered after the fact I took over Venezuela to roleplay. I could give dozens of examples, but suffice to say whatever decision you make will effect not just how I roleplay, but others.

In closing, a little history about the two examples I used above.
1. Su-30s in Venezuelan service. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-30#Operators)
2. Polish F-16s (http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article15.html)

:(Sorry, for the long OCC.

OCC: Ok, then in that case I only have those two small topics I liked to bring up and then I consider the main meeting adjured.

OCC2: Um, you didn't answer my question or at least I couldn't find an answer to my question, so allow me to rephrase.
Can Earth V member nations use the real life equipment of their nations that were acquired or entered service after they took over that particular nation? Note: I don't mean acquired through an order purchase in Earth V.

Unfortunately, I'm going to need a definite ruling from you on this issue as it will effect how I roleplay in the coming future. I'm sorry to bother you with this issue here, but the issue has been on my mind for sometime and now seemed like the best time to bring it up. This is after all a meeting. :wink:

So, yes while your correct in that both your Poland and the RL one hasn't had F-16s for the past five years Earth V has been around, the fact of the matter is things have changed and now RL Poland does. What I'm asking is if the Monocractic Poland can use that equipment their RL counterpart order for use in Earth V and if so, could the Republic purchase them. Another Example, though the RL Venezuela order Su-30s, Mi-35 helicopters along with a few other items before or about the same time I took over the country to roleplay from it's Non-Player Status, that equipment at the time had not entered in service with Real Life Venezuela. At this point in time [August-2008], most of that equipment has entered service with it's real life counterpart. Again, what I am asking is if I can use that equipment that entered after the fact I took over Venezuela to roleplay. I could give dozens of examples, but suffice to say whatever decision you make will effect not just how I roleplay, but others.

In closing, a little history about the two examples I used above.
1. Su-30s in Venezuelan service. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-30#Operators)
2. Polish F-16s (http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article15.html)

:(Sorry, for the long OCC.

OOC: It's certainly worth discussing, and I'm happy that you brought it up. To be clear, the answer is "no" for the reasons I stated: The history of the RL state divulges from the Earth V state after a certain point. (Plus, it would essentially allow military equipment to be obtained for free.)

OCC: So, as not to clog up my IC reply with so much OCC I decided to do another post.

IC: Prinz-Carl-Palais

Santer, "Since, the Monocracy has no further issues it would like to discuss at this time, the Republic wishes to bring up two small issues that have been weighing heavily on it's mind. Though both issues concern the former Vineyard Empire, they are limited in scope in relation to the entity that was the Vineyard Empire."

"Though, this may seem like an odd request, the Republic feels it is in the best interest for all concern were this request to be taken serious. The Republic expresses it's hope that with the fall of the Vineyard Empire, the people of Sardinia can finally be united as one again and end the centuries long division that has plagued the island since time began. It is the hope and desire of the Republic that the Monocracy take control over North Sardinia and unite the island. While, the Republic would prefer to see the entire island of Sardinia under it's peaceful neighbor the Monocracy, the Republic will take no action to intervene in Sardinia, one way or another. So, should the Monocracy wish to unite Sardinia, the Republic will give it's support to the Monocracy, should the Monocracy wish to leave the status quo as it is, the Republic will understand and not take any action in relation to Sardinia."

[Pause for your reply]

Santer continuing, "The last topic issue the Republic wishes to bring up concerns the nation of Malta. The Republic is interested in trying to bring the nation of Malta into the Republic for both geostrategic and political reasons. However, before the Republic takes any such action which could be viewed as an act of aggression, we wanted to get the Monocracy's opinion on the matter, firsthand."

SIC: The Defense Meeting

"Forgive me, I was under the impression that the Monocracy had acquired some F-16s for it's military from the second hand market. Since, our information is incorrect, consider our request withdrawn. Moving on, the Republic wishes to inquire how long it will take for the Monocracy to complete the upgrade of the nineteen PC-7s to the Mark II version. In addition, so as not to cause a disruption in military operations, the Republic was wondering if it was possible to also place an order for nineteen new PC-7 Mk IIs. As new PC-7s were delivered to their respective countries, the older version in Republican service would be delivered to the Monocracy for upgrade."

"Concerning the production rights, the Republic will do it's upmost to make sure it's end of the deal is upheld. As for the royalties, the Republic is quite satisfied with the percentage as agreed to last time and this time and was just making sure both the Republic and the Monocracy were on the same wavelength", responded Henk to his counterpart.

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OOC: It's certainly worth discussing, and I'm happy that you brought it up. To be clear, the answer is "no" for the reasons I stated: The history of the RL state divulges from the Earth V state after a certain point. (Plus, it would essentially allow military equipment to be obtained for free.)

OCC: Thanks, that's what I needed, a definite answer. Though, for the record while I disagree, I can understand your reasoning. BTW, I wouldn't consider that military equipment obtained for free, I would consider it was purchased with our Earth V defense funds [which is what I was doing as our defense budgets are huge compared to their real life counterparts], just through illegal means as it were. Anyway, looks as if I'm going to have to change a few things with my military. TTYL

"We appreciate the Republic's support for uniting Sardinia. The Dominion of Southern Sardinia will likely intervene to provide policing in northern Sardinia if the chaos continues; it may also hold a referendum for a united Dominion of Sardinia. As for Malta, we shall respond to you later on that one in the form of a letter stating our government's opinion."

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After using his PDA for a few second, he said, "The upgrade for the nineteen PC-7s should take about six months to a year, while the production of new PC-7 Mk IIs should take approximately two years. We're flexible as to how the RUN wants to go about upgrading."

The End of the Road or is it...

"If the Republic can assist in anyway short of military force in the unification of Sardinia, let us know. As for the issue of Malta, we await your reply then."

At that Mr. Santer, Prime Minister Willem Drees, Mr. Scheffer {Minister of Foreign Affairs}, Prime Minister José María Aznar and Prime Minister Johan Reinfeldt got up out of their seats and proceeded to shake the hands of their gracious hosts.

"It was a pleasure meeting all of you and thank you for taking the time to meet with us on these very important issues. We hope that this is the first of many productive meetings to come. Oh, one last thing. My guests and I were wondering if you would be open to transferring the results of this meeting to an official state visit as it were and if possible an RUN tour of the great {European} Monocracy. We heard the city of Berlin itself was a sight indescribable not to mention the beauty the rest of the Monocracy beholds. This would show both your people and the various peoples of the Republic that relations between our various nations were never better then they are now. It would also allow us to have informal discussions should we wish. Should you accept our invitation, I look forward to meeting you later to make further arrangements, if not it was a pleasure meeting you."

[Pause for your reply, if none all Republican leaders proceed to leave the room and make preparations for the journey home if the invitation is not accepted.]

OCC: I never did get to use my other characters, oh well. Anyway, that letter about Malta. Are you going to post it in this thread or in the Main IC thread?

The Defense talks continue...

"If possible, the Republic would like to make arrangements where for each new PC-7 Mk II delivered, one of the older versions is transferred to the Monocracy for upgrade to the Mark II standard."

"Before we move on to other business, I regret to inform you that a few defense items we wish to acquire were not on the previous list due to a clerical error. Those items are as follows: Renewed Production Rights for the various versions of the G-36 Rifle, Production Rights for the MG4 Machine gun and A fixed firm contract [if possible] on the supply of MP-5 Submachine guns for the various national armed branches that constitute the Republic's military power."

OCC2: What I mean by the fixed firm contract is something similar to what you had with Vineyard or was that Great Romeo and Vineyard? Anyway, I.E. I don't want production rights, but at the same time I don't want to make a post everytime when I'm only going to be ordering at the most a few hundred to a few thousand of those MP-5s as most users of the MP-5 are special forces or police agencies and as such are limited in scope. See-MP-5 Users (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP-5#Users). I would also like the contract to cover replacement of those MP-5s damaged or worn out, again without me needing to have to make a post stating so.

Also, those new items I edited in to the previous post were I listed all the equipment wishing to be acquired.

OOC: I'll post the letter in the main IC thread.

IC:

"Mr. Santer, you all are most certainly welcome to a state visit of the Monocracy, or at least a portion of the European part thereof. We hope that you enjoy what the Monocracy has to offer, but, of course, we must meet to discuss what exactly you would like to see, as the Monocracy is vast in size."

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Heinkel said, "All of that is acceptable, gentlemen. Now, what other issues are there to discuss?"

OCC: OK

IC: Santer, "Well for starters, a tour of your capital city would be a nice start don't you think? From there I’m sure we can then come up with an itinerary agreeable to both parties. I’m sure your as anxious to get back as we are to see the rest of the Monocracy, the European part anyway."

SIC: "I'm glad to hear that", replied Henk. Cutting straight to the point Henk responded, "The Iberian Kingdom would be interested to know if your government is still interested in acquiring the five Nansen Class Frigates (http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/nansen/) that your {Norwegian} government placed an order for with the nation that proceeded the Iberian Kingdom and since taken over by the Iberian Kingdom."

OOC: It looks like I already have some Nansen Class frigates in my military declaration, probably because the Wikipedia article only makes two small references to Spain's (not Norway's) production of them. This deal would make everything compliant with the rules. Also, could we please not do the state visit in full play-by-play RP? It would take forever!

SIC: "We are not only interested in continuing with the order for the five, but we are also interested in placing an additional order for an extra four Nansen Class frigates."

OCC: Your Military declaration is a little weird to say the least. :p When was the last time you updated it? As for the state visit, if it makes you feel any better I had no intention of doing any part of it. I was just adding that in to enhance the meeting roleplay. Once the main meeting officially ends {which it finally seems to have}, I plan on moving on with other things, starting with finishing up the good part, the defense meeting. However, if you want we can do a state visit roleplay, but I was just going to let that run in the background. You know, my leaders visit your homeland, blah blah blah, then they go home and everything in the world is perfect.

One more thing, just out of curiosity, how's that Malta letter post coming along?

SIC: "I'll pass your request on to our Prime Minister and considering the good relations our two nations currently enjoy, I don't foresee any difficulties with your requested purchase of the vessels,” stated Luís.

OCC2: Would you prefer I just list the price and time to completion here to get it out of the way or would you instead prefer to post a reply in the main Earth V storefront I set up?

Continuing on to a different topic, "What I'm about to share with you is known only to a few select people and is only to be discussed with people who have the desired security clearance. Whether you are already aware of this fact or not is immaterial, however for the last decade or so the Republic has been working on a Strategic Bomber codename Eurobomber. Which is in essence a modified B1B Lancer to suit the needs of the Iberian Kingdom and it's allies. At this current time, the bomber is ready for large scale production and our reason for revealing this information to you now is we wish to inquire if The Monocracy would be interested in acquiring some of these bombers and/or joining the program?" replied Luís.

OOC: Here's the "Malta letter":

SIC to RUN:

While we are strong proponents of self-determinism, we would neither condemn nor be favorable to Republican conquest for security reasons of Malta.
Heinrich Schulz, Ambassador to the Republic of the United Nations


OOC2: Just post the information on time and completion here.

SIC:

Heinkel waited a few seconds, and then replied, "We would certainly be interested in joining forces to produce a new European-designed bomber. However, we must stress that Sharinian intellectual property be respected with respect as to how similar it is to the B1B Lancer; borrowing the best concepts to create a new European bomber is acceptable, while creating what is essentially the same bomber is not, nor would such a copy be of any use to us, at least."

OCC: :(UHHHHHHH, I was hoping for something a little more then that on the Malta issue, but I guess what you wrote makes perfect sense. I would probably say something similar too. Anyway...

OCC2: The vessels are $680 million apiece so for nine that would come to $6,120,000,000. At the maximum production rate two vessels would arrive every year over a period of 5 years with the 5th year seeing the final delivery of the ninth vessel. Let me know if that works for you.

SIC:

"I'm delighted to hear you are interested in joining the program. If agreed to by the UCF as they are one of the founding members of the initial program besides the Republic, we would openly welcome the Monocracy's assistance and great expertise in aircraft systems. As testing is mostly completed and the aircraft are ready for production there isn't much designing left to be done, however we would be interested in listening to any "enhancements" the Monocracy has to offer to make the Eurobomber, a truly European design" replied Henk to his counterpart.

OCC3: Your are correct in that making a carbon copy B1B Lancer without getting the production rights from Sharina is unforgivable. However, I've tried to make it as closely as possible to the real B1B since that's where it's inspiration come from, a be it one more “European” in origin. I can go into more detail, but for now rest assured I'm going to make this design one of the more memorable ones to come out of Earth V. That is if I can pull it off.

OOC: Yes, that's all acceptable for the vessels.

SIC:

"Mr. Middelkoop," Heinkel said, "While I am impressed that you believe I can name specific technological enhancements that should be made to a foreign stealth bombers off the top of my head, that is really a topic for aerospace engineers in the defense industry. Therefore, you will have to wait a little bit to hear about those 'enhancements' we have to offer, but we'll try to send that information securely as soon as possible."

Whether his counterpart was playing a practical joke on him or not, Henk decided to just let the incident pass as his counterpart got what he was trying to imply. In return, Henk just quickly gave one of those "what the hell/what's your problem":confused: stares before moving on.

Henk speaking, "That's not a problem, once an agreement is reached with the UCF and a transfer of the design specifications to you is completed, you can take all the time you need to analyze the design for possible improvements. There is no rush."

"With that matter settle, were ready to move on to our next topic of interest that also concerns defense acquisitions for both the Republic and the Monocracy.

As you are well aware, our European nations for some time have been working on building it's own tactical transport aircraft called the A400M (http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/fla/) with final assembly of aircraft taking place currently at Seville, Spain. The loss of Turkeys defense base was a slight setback to the program, but seeing the vital interest to the Republic, our nations of the Iberian Kingdom and the United Netherlands took over their part of the program. As all testing has been completed, we are ready to commence full scale production to replace all current C-130s in service with the Republic starting with those in the Iberian Kingdom and The United Netherlands and moving on from there. However, as a favor and a nod to the support the Monocracy provided to the program were willing to offer your nation first export rights on acquiring the aircraft after all orders have been filled for the Iberian Kingdom and the United Netherlands.

So, our question to the Monocracy is, is the Monocracy still interested in purchasing their share of the aircraft originally requested all those years ago in addition to any additional purchases they might desire?

Whether his counterpart was playing a practical joke on him or not, Henk decided to just let the incident pass as his counterpart got what he was trying to imply. In return, Henk just quickly gave one of those "what the hell/what's your problem":confused: stares before moving on.

Henk speaking, "That's not a problem, once an agreement is reached with the UCF and a transfer of the design specifications to you is completed, you can take all the time you need to analyze the design for possible improvements. There is no rush."

"With that matter settle, were ready to move on to our next topic of interest that also concerns defense acquisitions for both the Republic and the Monocracy.

As you are well aware, our European nations for some time have been working on building it's own tactical transport aircraft called the A400M (http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/fla/) with final assembly of aircraft taking place currently at Seville, Spain. The loss of Turkeys defense base was a slight setback to the program, but seeing the vital interest to the Republic, our nations of the Iberian Kingdom and the United Netherlands took over their part of the program. As all testing has been completed, we are ready to commence full scale production to replace all current C-130s in service with the Republic starting with those in the Iberian Kingdom and The United Netherlands and moving on from there. However, as a favor and a nod to the support the Monocracy provided to the program were willing to offer your nation first export rights on acquiring the aircraft after all orders have been filled for the Iberian Kingdom and the United Netherlands.

So, our question to the Monocracy is, is the Monocracy still interested in purchasing their share of the aircraft originally requested all those years ago in addition to any additional purchases they might desire?
OOC: He's slightly confrontational, as you might have realized. ;)

OOC2: Since EPI Europrop International GmbH, which makes the engines for the A400M, has its headquarters in Germany, and, more important, DaimlerChrysler Aerospace is part of EADS, the Monocracy (or the UCF, for that matter) does not need permission under Earth V rules to produce it or any EADS aircraft, even if it is IRL assembled in Spain. But it's more realistic if there is communication, of course.

SIC:

"We thank the Republic for its kind gesture. We do wish to fulfill our current order."

OCC: "Slightly" is an understatement. Feeling the need to slightly punch him in the face would be a more accurate statement. :D:wink::rolleyes:

OCC2: I assumed as much, hell if you ever stated you built your own final assembly plant in the Monocracy I'd believe you. However, as you haven't implied or made such a statement IC as far as I know, that only leaves my nation with the means to fully assembly the finish aircraft. So, I'd thought I bring Earth V up to all the real world developments that have been happening in Europe for the past 2 years.

"Just for clarification, are we correct in assuming that your government still wish's to acquire the sixty {60} A400Ms originally contracted for or has your amount requirements changed? If your amount desire has stayed the same, first delivery to your nation should start in about 3 and ½ years once the order for the Iberian Kingdom and the United Netherlands had been fulfilled in 3 to 4 years. Once the full production rate of thirty {30} aircraft a year begins, final delivery to your nation should be in 2 to 2 and ½ years after the start of delivery" replied Henk.

Henk continuing, "As for our next topic, the Republic is interested in signing an agreement with the Monocracy that allows the militaries of the Republic to conduct military exercises for training purposes within Monocracy territory. In return, the Republic would be willing to sign an similar agreement that would allow the Monocracy military to conduct exercises within Republican territory and to use the various military bases of the nations in the Republic".

OOC: In Earth V, Airbus does have a final assembly plant in Hamburg (primarily for producing commercial aircraft, but also military transports and our refueling and AWACS A330 variants), where the real life Airbus fusselage production facility is. But we'll just go along with the RUN producing the A400M.

IC: "We indeed to stay with our original order. As for military exercises, we appreciate the Republic's offer, and believe that is certainly possible after we work out the specifics. What the Monocracy can offer is a set number of annual spots for Republic-sponsored students at our military academy in Weißwasser, in addition to allowing Republican forces to participate occassionally in joint war games in the war game area of the academy. We could also make arrangements for the Republic to practice operations in unusual terrain, such as arctic conditions. The Republican offer sounds generous, but I'd appreciate the details of what it includes."

OCC: Sorry about the delay. As for the A400M, if you want to produce them in your country go right ahead. I don't see why you shouldn't be able to do that. Anyway, moving on...

SIC:

"While, the use of Weißwasser military academy sounds wonderful, the Iberian Kingdom and the United Netherlands in addition to our friends in the Republic are more interested in the use of the Monocracy's military bases for individual or joint exercises either with other members of the Republic or with the Monocracy itself", replied Henk.

"In return, the Iberian Kingdom and the United Netherlands- (OCC: you would have to sign similar agreements with each nation individual, but since representatives from both the Iberian Kingdom and the United Netherlands are already at the meeting, they have permission to sign an agreement under certain conditions.)- would be willing to offer similar opportunities for the Monocracy military to conduct exercises within Republican territory such as the following (http://www.nato.int/docu/update/2006/06-june/e0623a.htm)."

OCC2: Examples of Exercises the Republic might wish to conduct within the Monocracy.
1. Exercise ELITE (http://www.skycontrol.net/photography/exercise-elite-2007-at-lechfeld-air-base-germany-june-14-28-2007/)
2. Exercise Brilliant Arrow (http://www.nato.int/ims/news/2006/n060328e.htm)
3. Exercise Brilliant Mariner (http://www.nato-otan.org/shape/news/2006/04/060404a.htm)

IC: "Having joint air, sea, and land exercises is a proven way to improve war-fighting effectiveness; we definitely agree. I should clarify, though, that we conduct most of our domestic and international war games and combined force exercises in the vast simulated-war-zone land surrounding Weißwasser because most of our military's war-game technicians and equipment are located there, although we always could switch to different locations. I hope that we can agree to conduct a combined force exercise either here or somewhere in the Republic by the end of the year, such as one involving an integrated land, sea, and air assault on a terrorist facility." (OOC: Like ELITE.)

"While were happy to hear of your agreement on joint exercises, we would also be interested to know what your position is on individual exercises for nations of the Republic. {OCC: For example, The Republic of Gran Venezuela sending a few units {no larger when combined then division size} to train in mountain warfare conditions in the Alps or The Kingdom of Sweden conducting a winter exercise and wishes to expand the AOR into Norway to represent an attack from another nation. Both examples, would involve no other countries (including yours) military assets except in some cases like the Swedish example would just be the local base(s) personal.} As for the combined force exercise, that would be great and if in the coming months you still wish to conduct one we send some ideals over for your consideration."

OCC2: As I was on vacation for the past two weeks, I've forgotten if I had anything else to discuss. So give me a few days after your next reply and in between to see if I have anything else I wish to discuss. If, not then this meeting will be over as I think we have covered just about everything I wanted to discuss, minus what's stated above of course. :wink: