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OK, well I have a lot of free time. Not always, and that could change but still, as a general rule, I have quite a bit of free time. Another thing, I have never RPed FT before. I am also interested in chemistry. I like realism and so, I'd find FT boring if the alien species' brething in and out chemicals were un-realistic. I am not looking to say 'Oh noez, DNA analog wouldn't work lyk tat!'. I am actually requesting help to see if others, hopefully fellow FT RPers find my ideas realistic.

I am working right now on the alien species and then weapons and star-ships. I have an FT puppet in the works but I need to wait for my ideas to form and work and for it to grow. I am wondering what other FT RPers attitudes are towards my jump into FT. Let me start with this,

My proposed alien species eat/inhale a Glucose analog (C6H18N6) and inhale Nitrogen. They live in a completely Oxygen free System.

My proposed alien species exhale/excrete CHN (hydrogen cyanide) and H3N (ammonia). They are carbon-based with ammonia as a solvent.

My alien plants take in CHN, H3N and light energy.

My alien plants release N2 and use C6H18N6.

My alien plants do what my proposed alien species do for their own enenrgy.

What does everyone else think? I'm using this thread for all my preparations into FT. Yes, I am a complete Newb to FT.

My suggestion is to go with something truly alien. Maybe silicon rather than carbon based life and include some truly alien way of thinking on those creatures rather than "Warlike humanoids" or the usual faire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogenic_silica

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_Biochemistry#Silicon_biochemistry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alternative_biochemistry#.22Carbon_Chauvinism.22_debate

Imagine this. When a carbon based life form jumps into a pool of magma in a volcano, it just burns to ash and dies. When a silicon based life form (assuming there were one) leaves the confine of the magma, it just solidifies and dies too. No scientist can enter the magma and survive, then how can anyone disprove the possiblity that non-carbon based life exists in the center of the earth? Likewise for hostile world such as venus, or even the core of a star, there may be life forms that we don't and will never recognize.

I've read the alternative biochemistry and its talk page. I haven't seen the biogenic silicon although I'm not exactly a big fan of it. I'm going for Nitrogen instead of Oxygen if you get what I meen. Most of the time N-H will replace O but still if you can see where I'm aiming. I'm more wondering about analogs and pigmentation. That sort of thing. I was thinking of replacing oxygen with sulfur, a pretty easy switch from a purely chemical POV but when you look at its prescence within the universe its too doubtful to occur IMHO. Silicon is a little unoriginal, the atom is too heavy and SiO2 is solid.

Well, I am not a rocket scientist here. I do stuff that would make most scientists cringe and weep blood. So don't worry about doing anything crazy; we're all crazy in FT.

But on to the advice!

Basically, take an idea, and work from there. You have a good start, and it looks good. Personally, I can't think of going down to that level, as it would be too much for me to remember, and I rarely talk about plants and whatnot, unless its a passing reference to the description of the area.

And TSS is right; we have too many humans as it is, and aliens that are basically humans, or even furries. We basically need something truly alien and crazy, like Mekanta did. It would draw lots of attention and gain you instant respect.

Also, we don't have much on your jump to FT, unless you pull n00b stuff like having thousands of ships, or having teh ub3r tek. As long as you are fair, work well with people, and are willing to compromise, we will love your entry into our world. We need more new blood, good new blood, in FT.

If you have any questions, feel free to message me.

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It appears as though my comparison of my alien to our life forms has become confused as what my alien is being presented as.

I'm using AMMONIA as a SOLVENT instead of WATER. Ergo, NO OXYGEN, and truly wacky alien lifeform.

I'm not saying anything is wrong with that. Just saying a truly strange one would get you a lot of attention. But this is still interesting.^^

I for one would welcome verity, as long as you don't eat anti matter, and bend time like a god I have no issue, your eco system would be interesting to say the least. and I would think it would give FT much needed verity.

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It appears as though my comparison of my alien to our life forms has become confused as what my alien is being presented as.

I'm using AMMONIA as a SOLVENT instead of WATER. Ergo, NO OXYGEN, and truly wacky alien lifeform.

Do you mean something akin to these species from the Open-source Space Sim universe from the link?

http://vegastrike.sourceforge.net/wiki/Species:Rlaan

Ammonia-blooded, methane breathers from a cool world distantly orbiting a hot star, the Rlaan are a collection of oddities.

Telros: Oh. I thought you thought I was using carbon-water as opposed to carbon-ammonia.

Federal Union: Thanks.

Third Spanish States: The atmosphere is made mostly of Helium, Nitrogen and Hydrogen Cyanide. I was thinking last night and I have come up with this:

The main species, intelligent single-celled organisms with multiple flagella in a Peritrichous arrangement. They appear Orange and are in an elelvated chamber of the exoskeleton often built by their symbiotic partners. Their partners are a little bigger then normal cells but are still a lot smaller than their hosts. They work for their host more or less under threat of being eaten. They aren't intelligent and form the majourity of their host's bulk. They cluster onto flagellum which act in a fashion similar to limbs for the larger species (here called Uir Majoris). The smaller red-celled species (Uir Minoris) often build an exoskeleton out of a mysterious hard yet somewhat flexible material. It sevres as an exoskeleton and contains the Uir Majorus and Uir Minori. Each Flagellum (approximately 10 per Uir Majorus) has its own chamber attached to a main chamber below the Uir Majorus' cell. Two flagella form limbs, which thanks to the Uir Minori and Exoskeleton, can grasb objects. They are closer to the Uir Majorus' cell than the other 'limbs' which act somewhat like legs.

I would strongly advise making your FT intro RP closed or semi-closed unless you want it crapped up big time.

Well, if you don't want a lot of people, some who may do some moronic things, to enter your first rp, AN is right. If you are going to close it, I suggest making it invite only and sending TG's to people about it.

However, it is up to you. Leaving it open is usually a sure way to guarantee people will come, though I have had the rare occasion when that failed for me.

Leaving it open is usually a sure way to guarantee people will come.

Usually to "slag ur planet with n00ks!!!!111". Or you can simply write a closed/semi-open FT Intro Story or Character Roleplay. It wouldn't make sense for a system like the one of Solar Communes to be visited constantly by aliens and that's why I did it as a closed intro(besides the "n00ks!"). Who would care about a bunch of ice and about a Venus-like planet tidal locked to a red dwarf behind a gas giant? Of course that "bunch of ice" is human habitable, is more than thrice larger in surface than Earth and has much more minerals than it, but still there are probably better options and more interesting solar systems somewhere else.

Yes, I need starships and 'blasters' and 'fancy lasers' before I get anywhere near my first FT RP. I think I'll make semi-open, TG me if interested in order to keep the 'n00ks' and 'Death Star/Planet/Lasers' out. I'll definetly invite Solar Communes/Third Spanish States and Telros and others who are relatively helpful/active within this thread. Or a sign-up thread. Those can work but can also lead to failure due to delays between sign-up and RP.

Any further comments on Uir Majorus and Uir Minorus?

Dual-purpose post.

First, Bump

Second:

I am thinking of joining the Cluster FT Colonisation thread and I was wondering if anyone could share half a sector with me for my homeland. It would give me a 'neighbour' and you can 'claim' the sector before discovering my 'organisms'. Before I am ready (actual should be a few days) you could explore the half you will ultimately never get taken away from you and then discover my species once I am ready.

I was also wondering, whats the usual way to accomplish FTL travel? I was thinking of Dp-branes and string theory with tachyons on the strings, Dp-Branes being located between 1 and 2 AU from stars with closed and open strings.

I can do that. I don't have that many ships to cover my claim, and I can see we can have a lot of good rps together.

Also, FTL is anything you want it to be, within reason. Mine is an FTL and a cloak at the same time. Others are hyperdrives, wormholes, etc etc.

How large are the symbiotes and the exoskeleton collectively? Are they still microscopic, or could a humanoid species easily interact with them?

And if I can arse myself into an introduction, I'd share half a sector.

Telros: Thank you. I have my FTL explanation and double-strength PEP's figured out.

TGS: The whole thing is about 1.5 m tall. Human interaction is easy. Communication is another story. Telros has already offered.

Right now I'm too lazy to right up my explanation for FTL travel and laser weapons which could arguably be late PMT. Not that it makes much of a difference to me as I could possibly scale it up to appropriate sizes.

Let me know when you want to rp the sector thing.

And that is alright, a detailed explanation is more of a personal thing. As long as other people can know how it works, if its different than the norm, they're fine with it.

Do you have a map of the sector? If yes, could I see it? If no, do you want to do your half and have me do my half and then put them together-type thing? Or do you want only one of us to design it and if yes, which one of us?

I don't have a map as I can't make one. If you want, we just do the dividing thing and put them together.

Whatever is easier for you.

This seems a promising science:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2049048.stm

It is a long way from Star Trek, but teleportation - the disembodiment of an object in one location and its reconstruction in another - has been successfully carried out in a physics lab in Australia.

Scientists at the Australian National University (ANU) made a beam of light disappear in one place and reappear in another a short distance away.

Who said FTL is fiction? FTL communications through light beams and quantum entanglement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_Entanglement) is a possibility for the next 500 years for sure.

Yep, it's just a very short distance, but still it was a FTL "travel", even though it involves recreating an exact replica of the light rather than transporting it to that point.

"What we have demonstrated here is that we can take billions of photons, destroy them simultaneously, and then recreate them in another place," Dr Lam says.
In other words, a "harder" sci-fi approach on faster than light "travel" would involve matter or energy being literally destroyed at quantum level and then instantly recreated somewhere else, and I'm sure few would volunteer themselves to test such device and discover whether their living replica would also carry their consciousness or be a clone of them while their original selves were annihilated (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh-ZcdO5fe8). Now if you want an even harder approach, then limit this for only FTL quantum communications.

Telros: I wouldn't mind drawing the map. I'll run it by you so you can make any requests. I'm going to use 39 stars which make 13 inhabitable systems (eaiser on my brain).

TSS: I know about that already. I'm not as hard science fiction as I seem to be, IMO.

Sounds good to me.

Map:
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/Uiri/Uiri/Maps/UirStarMap.jpg

White Circle - System with: No Habitable Planet nor Asteroid Belt.
Blue Circle - System with: Habitable Planet(s) but no Asteroid Belt.
Red Circle - System with: No Habitable Planet but an Asteroid Belt.
Orange Circle - System with: Habitable Planet(s) and Asteroid Belt.
Green Line - 5 lightyears distance
White Box - Trisystem
White Writing - Trisystem and system designations. System 1 in the Uir Alpha Trisystem would be called Uir Alpha 1. Planets are named a,b,c,etc. based on proximity to their parent star. The third planet from Star Uir Alpha1 would be Uir Alpha1c.

OK, as for splitting it up, I was thinking of myself getting Apha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, Epsilon and Zeta. Is that fine with you and we can now get to RPing? If yes, do you want to create a new thread or use the colonization thread?

EDIT: Darn timewarps.

That works just fine, Uiri.

OK, as for splitting it up, I was thinking of myself getting Apha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, Epsilon and Zeta. Is that fine with you and we can now get to RPing? If yes, do you want to create a new thread or use the colonization thread?

EDIT: Darn timewarps.

BUMP for Telros' answer.

700th Post!

Do you want to start it or shall I?

My apologies; it's fine with me, and I'd say a new thread.

Do you want to start it or shall I?

...may I suggest using the subscription feature Telros? You go to your User CP at the start of every visit to the forums and the threads you've subscribed to which have new replies are listed there. Very useful if you never look beyond the 1st page of II.

umm...

What are you talking about. I already replied.

My apologies; it's fine with me, and I'd say a new thread.

And I know where the subscription feature is.

...erm...yeah. sorry.

Do you want to start the thread or do you want me to start the thread? That was what I was asking and I'm not sure who you said should stat the thread.

Interesting, SC.

I'll start it, Uiri.

If I join your FT Intro... don't expect anything normal coming because there is a certain stance where I took a softer sci-fi approach which did not turn sub-light travel obsolete. Suffice to say there is a reason why it's called "FTL Suicide" rather than "FTL Travel". Of course I won't send a OMG Fleet if there's no problem in joining in.

lol, FTL Suicide. If you want, perhaps you end up using my tech for safer FTL travel. It is only good for 'star to star' and there are certain pathways which have to be followed which may end up with longer rides (I'm too lazy to do geometry/trigonometry to figure out the shortest distance between two stars). Anyways, because it is located within the Libra Cluster (the one Prates is leasing), you could claim a few systems near Telros' sector and jump in.

OK Telros.

lol, FTL Suicide. If you want, perhaps you end up using my tech for safer FTL travel. It is only good for 'star to star' and there are certain pathways which have to be followed which may end up with longer rides (I'm too lazy to do geometry/trigonometry to figure out the shortest distance between two stars). Anyways, because it is located within the Libra Cluster (the one Prates is leasing), you could claim a few systems near Telros' sector and jump in.

No safe FTL as that's part of my plan for SC. Interstellar travel will be FTL "Suicide" or safer through sub-light Relativistic Star Ships (http://home.att.net/~srschmitt/script_starship.html) for a long time because that's part of my intended idea for Solar Communes. Now on claiming some stars their priorities are others: basically their first colonization(and invasion) priorities are Alternate Sol #10 with Alternate Earth #100, Tau Ceti and Alpha Centauri, taking them from the Interstellar Police State (http://www.nationstates.net/61300/page=display_nation/nation=global_state) that rules those stars after a long, "forever" war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forever_War#Plot_synopsis) involving only sub-light travel and with serious time dilation which I shall slowly write about in the future*.

*Time dilation is a real deal. If a interstellar C-ship traveled 500 light years with an 1g constant acceleration, stopping to decelerate in the middle of the travel, for the crew inside it the trip would take only 12 years while 502 years would have passed in the rest of the universe. It can make a war which one side apparently thought it already won last thousands of years.

I know about time dilation. If that is your plan then I suppose I shouldn't interfere. My bacterial species will still offer their technology though I suppose your people may refuse it. That is if you decide to join the RP.

umm...Telros, I am wondering when you are going to start the thread. It's been more than a day and when you said you'd start it I was expecting it to be within 36 hours. If you need time to write it up, that's OK, I can wait. Oh, I apologize for the double post.

Sorry, been at a friend's house. I should have some kind of thread up sometime today.

OK, thanks. Just a little impatient I guess. It's given me time to work out the governmental structure anyways which is good. I also have currency and alphabet. The alphabet uses a form of substitution but once that is de-coded it looks like english. They 'speak' by vibrating their flagella, infrasound range, inaudible by humans.

B C D F G H J K L M
Z X W V T S R Q P N

Y (yak) -> R
Y (sky) -> ;
I -> :
A -> \
O -> /
U -> |
E -> '

So B becomes Z, C becomes X, etc. and vice versa. Y is R or ; depending if it is acting as a vowel or a consonant (sp?)

Interesting.

However, I remembered something. My claim, full claim, is something around 40 stars, aka 40 star systems. Our map only covered so much. Or did I read it wrong?

Each dot was a system in and of itself, so I think you read it wrong. There are 39 dots so 39 systems. I grouped them into groups of three because that was how often an inhabitable system occured and its an administrative division in the Confederacy. My people have control over 6 of the 13 trisystems in the map of what you have claimed; they will most likely let you have the rest, considering they don't want war.

Ah, my apologies. Thanks for explaining it.

Sorry for double post, but here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13401048#post13401048

Sorry for the shortness, but I am a bit rushed at the moment.