NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: Please, this is only for Europan Atlantican members or countries who have royalty and want their royalty to have single or multiple marriages with the past and present royalty of the EA.)

IC:

DEN HAAG, D.K.B. - Today a group of historical records have been found in the Dutch Genealogical Library. They detail the lineage of the current monarchs back to the late 800's but not before that time. King Willem V has decided to invite other countries to share their royalty's lineage, or their past royalty's lineage should they now be a republic.

The lineage details:

House of Gorze

Bivin I
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Richard I
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Rudolph I
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Hugh I

House of Chalon

Gilbert I
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Odo I
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Otto I
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Otto II

House of Capet

Robert I
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Henry I

House of Burgundy

Robert II
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Hugh II
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Odo II
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Hugh III
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Odo III
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Hugh IV
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Odo IV
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Hugh V
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Robert III
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Hugh VI
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Odo V
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Phillip I
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John I
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Phillip II
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John II
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Phillip III
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Charles I
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Phillip IV
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Charles II
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Phillip V
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Charles III
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Charles IV

Period of Foreign Rule / Dutch Republic (1581 - 1815)

(no longer royalty but traced nonetheless)

Charles V
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Phillip VI
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Charles VII
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Phillip VII
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Napolean I
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Napolean II
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Napolean III

After Political Apathy, Restoration in 1815

House of Oranje (Named after national colour although changed to avoid mockery by foreigners)

Willem I
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Willem II
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Willem III
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Willem IV
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Willem V
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Willem VI (Current Monarch)

OOC: I don't have a monarchy as such, but may have some sort of Emperor in the past somewhere... Let me think about it!

This is great, I was just gonna rewrite my history.

Featured Atlantican thread. BTW, there's a pretty big typo in the title =P

Due to recent fires and explosions at the government office buildings, the location of such records are not currently known, if any copies still exist. We will inform you as soon as we find any.

NP: Oh, sorry, I always get English and Uir confused. I put Enlish for the first word in the name but Uir for the second. Wouldn't an imperium have a line of [elected] monarchs though? Like the Papal line.

Yani: Yeah, the idea dawned on me when I noticed the # of Kingdoms/Empires in the region.

The Beatus:

We are sorry to hear of the destruction of your files.

EDIT NP: Sorry, I just realized you are now a 'Silver Imperial Dominion' not a 'Holy Imperium'. Nonetheless.

NP: Oh, sorry, I always get English and Uir confused. I put Enlish for the first word in the name but Uir for the second. Wouldn't an imperium have a line of [elected] monarchs though? Like the Papal line.

Yani: Yeah, the idea dawned on me when I noticed the # of Kingdoms/Empires in the region.

The Beatus:

We are sorry to hear of the destruction of your files.

EDIT NP: Sorry, I just realized you are now a 'Silver Imperial Dominion' not a 'Holy Imperium'. Nonetheless.

No need to apologise mate! The change in name will be made clear shortly, keep an eye on the forums ;)
And you are correct, we definitely have had a string of both elected monarchs in modernity and the more traditionally unelected in the past, I'm just too lazy to think 'em up. I'll consult my history and throw something together for you in the next few days.

this will probably end up being double posted...im going to give you the linage today

Definitely going to get involved in this...neighboring monarchies have to be inter-married...its like an unwritten rule...besides...gives you a reason not to attack me or vice versa...family ties :P

(unless you pull a England and attack France just because you could be heir to the throne...not cool)

Any female royalty for 1530, and any male royalty for 1520? It would add an interesting twist in to my genealogical history of the royal family...

Let's see....

Charles I until 1477, Phillip IV until 1498, Charles II until 1510, Phillip V until 1530, Charles III until 1550 and Charles IV until 1581.

I suppose Phillip V could be the male for 1520 and say, Mary could be his 3rd cousin for 1530. Would that work? Although with a merged line it would be hard to seperate. Does your country allow females to ascend the throne if the male line dies out?

Nope.

Aelia Philotheos is the one who needs a husband...she is (calculates relationship with the current emporer at that time period)...

Aelia Philotheos is 4th cousins with Basileus Ionnas V Philotheos.

Known Stats about Aelia: b. 1496 to Basileus Mikos III Philotheos, d. 1549.

I don't have Aelia down for any children currently. We could definately integrate her descendants with Philip V later on down the line. Have a few marry in again, et cetera. Claims for the throne, skirmishes, on and on....

Anyway, her son(s) could have a claim to the throne, but only if he wasn't in line for his own throne...you know...gotta keep the two seperate :P.

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Ended up not needing the female, but thanks though.

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Edit: On another note.....the current Greek royal family isn't really Greek...their actually *gasp* DUTCH!

They could have a claim although between 500 and 1000 people would probably have to die before they come anywhere near top 100.

If you have the line completed, I'd like to have it posted. Not like the whole family tree but just the line of Kings or Emperors if you prefer.

Haha, no way I would post the entire family...it is five pages or so....I keep a printed copy for my files (notes he is using a trial version of the software, so he has to so he won't lose it) :P.

Anyway, the Imperial Lineage:

House of Adonis

Alexois I: 521 - 540
Peder I: 540 - 551
Eneas I: 551 - 553
Peder II: 553 - 591
Alexois II: 591 - 624
Mikos I: 624 - 657
Eneas II: 657 - 659
Ionnas I: 659 - 684
Ionnas II: 684 - 703
Mikos II: 703 - 726
Peder III: 726 - 761
Lucas I: 761 - 767
Alexois III: 767 - 768
Ionnas III: 768 - 798
Lucas II: 798 - 824
Eneas III: 824 - 857
Philip I: 857 - 881
Philip II: 881 - 897
Philip III: 897 - 928
Philip IV: 928 - 944
Thaddeus I: 944 - 953
Alexois IV: 953 - 964

House of Akakios

Methodius I: 964 - 971

House of Antipas

Thaddeus II: 971 - 992
Ionnas IV: 992 - 1028
Soterios II: 1028 - 1081
Soterios III: 1081 - 1106
Methodius II: 1106 - 1148
Thaddeus III: 1148 - 1168
Alexois V: 1168 - 1201

House of Philotheos

Matthias I: 1201 - 1251
Matthias II: 1251 - 1284

House of Kourtikos

Antiochus I: 1284 - 1311
Antiochus II: 1311 - 1355
Eneas IV: 1355 - 1381

House of Philotheos

Herodius I: 1381 - 1389
Iacobus I: 1389 - 1402
Lucas III: 1402 - 1429
Herodius II: 1429 - 1435
Iacobus II: 1435 - 1439
Antiochus III: 1439 - 1448
Peder IV: 1448 - 1501
Mikos III: 1501 - 1548
Ionnas V: 1548 - 1567
Soterios IV: 1567 - 1571
Thaddeus IV: 1571 - 1604
Paulus I: 1604 - 1659

Bithunian Republic
Romulus Philotheos: 1648 - 1652
Magnus Skleros: 1652 - 1656
Cyrillus Petzikopoulos: 1656 - 1659

House of Dalassenos (Bithunian Empire)
David I: 1659 - 1698
David II: 1698 - 1708

House of Kristodoulos
Methodius III: 1708 - 1720
Iudos: 1720 - 1753
Onesimos: 1753 - 1775
Demetrios I: 1775 - 1829
Demetrios II: 1829 - 1873
Peder V: 1873 - 1928
Didymus: 1928 - 1952
Pavlos I: 1952 - 1976
Pavlos II: 1976 - 2003
Nikodemous I: 2003 - CURRENT

Time to delve deeper into the Royal Family. I'll have a line-of-succession showing how many people need to die for your Emperor to become King of the Benelux. I think I have a good systematic way to determine this although I will take a while to compile.

Note: Females don't count.

Incumbent: Willem VI
1st through 22nd:

Paul
Nicholas I
Nicholas II
Louis
Peter II
Peter III
Henry II
Carl I
Carl II
Frederick
Alexander III
Alexander IV
Ernest
Charles V
Charles VI
Constantijn
Albert II
Albert III
David
Augustus I
Augustus II
Augustus III

23rd through 50th:

Napolean VIII
Napolean IX
Napolean X
Phillip XII
Phillip XIII
Phillip XIV
Robert IX
Robert X
Robert XI
John VIII
John IX
John X
Odo X
Odo XI
Odo XII
Hugh XI
Hugh XII
Hugh XIII
Gilbert VI
Gilbert VII
Gilbert VIII
Rudolph VI
Rudolph VII
Rudolph VIII
Richard VI
Richard VII
Richard VIII
Bivin II

51st to Bithunia's family members:

Adriaan VI
Adriaan VII
Adriaan VIII
Agnes VI
Agnes VII
Agnes VIII
Alfons VI
Alfons VII
Alfons VIII
Aloysius VI
Aloysius VII
Aloysius VIII
Antonius VI
Antonius VII
Antonius VIII
Bartholomeus VI

rofl...fortunately for me its a Bithunian tradition not to have more than three or four children in the Royal Family....(actually it just saves me time from sorting out ten different heirs :P)....there are only two immediate heirs at the moment in Bithunia, should Nikodemous die...Josephus (his brother) and Krisof (his uncle). But maybe I should add more people to the families *ponders*...after those two though, it's your King Willem VI who would become Emporer I believe...might make a good storyline...we'll have to think something out maybe later for this...could cause quite a stir ;)

Btw, what are Philip V's date of birth and date of death? Also, I assume he and Aelia had children, I will need their names, dates of birth, and dates of death to fulfill my charts (as well as their descendants). Thanks.

rofl...fortunately for me its a Bithunian tradition not to have more than three or four children in the Royal Family....(actually it just saves me time from sorting out ten different heirs :P)....there are only two immediate heirs at the moment in Bithunia, should Nikodemous die...Josephus (his brother) and Krisof (his uncle). But maybe I should add more people to the families *ponders*...after those two though, it's your King Willem VI who would become Emporer I believe...might make a good storyline...we'll have to think something out maybe later for this...could cause quite a stir ;)

Btw, what are Philip V's date of birth and date of death? Also, I assume he and Aelia had children, I will need their names, dates of birth, and dates of death to fulfill my charts (as well as their descendants). Thanks.

Well, same here actually :P . The ones I listed are all at the farthest 7th cousins. I still have to list Willem VI's 8th through 14th cousins and their ancestors in order to fulfill your charts. I actually need all the living descendants of Herodius II and their relationship to Aelia. Don't worry if its something like 20 times removed.

My Kingdom is a Nation with Royalty.

Our records are being sorted. Our Present King is Phillip the Brilliant, son of Charles the adulterous.

Dukeburyshire: While I appreciate the thought, this thread is only for the royalty of the region of Europa Atlantica, a region active in the International Incidents forums. I suggest checking the thread out and seeing if there is any territory which interests you. I read you are a group of islands, perhaps Corsica and Sardinia and such might be useful or if Miamoria and Bithunia allow, maybe the channel islands such as Jersey and Guernsey

EDIT: Link to the OOC/Sign-up thread. Be sure to read the rules and check the map. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=544199)

Islands? No, we're a nation of mountains on 2 sides & across the middle, an Eastern Coast and hills to the South.

Honestly, it doesn't matter to me what your geography is. I was just suggesting possible places in the Europa Atlantica region for you to claim. If you aren't going to join the region, please stop posting in this thread. If you are going to join the region, get approved before in the thread linked in my un-deleted post above before posting in here again.

Either way, don't reply to this message

Well, same here actually :P . The ones I listed are all at the farthest 7th cousins. I still have to list Willem VI's 8th through 14th cousins and their ancestors in order to fulfill your charts. I actually need all the living descendants of Herodius II and their relationship to Aelia. Don't worry if its something like 20 times removed.

Actually Herodius II had no descendants, his brothers succeeded him. First the middle brother Iacobus II (who had no descendants and died shortly later), so the youngest brother Antiochus III became Basileus.

Aelia is Antiochus III's great-great-great-granddaughter. Antiochus had a son, Basileus Peder IV. Peder IV had two sons. The younger was Alexois Philotheos, and he was Aelia's great-grandfather. The older son, Peder Philotheos, is who Nikodemous is currently descended from, as well as all currently living members of the Royal Family in Bithunia. That would of course change when we 'discover' the Benelux side of the family.

Dukeberryshire: Check out our region thread, you may end up liking it. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13419638&posted=1#post13419638

It's Dukeburyshire, we were founded by the Duke of Bury in England.

Oh, I see. Yeah, I'm not creative, I like having father-son descension so I wrongly assumed that the fifth one above Ionas (sp?) V was the great-great-great-grandfather of Aelia. Technically, they would know the Dutch (not beneluxese or beneluxian or anything like that) side of the family. What geanealogical software were you using?

Sorry, temp forgot to use Dutch instead of Benelux...but I am using GenPro2007 (free trial). I'd buy it if I got the money ($50 US). I love the entire format of it...great program...

Edit: Ionnas* it's Greek for John, but don't sweat it :P

I don't feel like downloading it, sure great to know what because now I know what its features are so I know what info to give you. Do you have, say, AIM or YIM or Windows Live Messenger? maybe we could chat instantly (hell better than using the forums, too slow.) I hope this doesn't time warp because then it'll take forever to catch your attention.

I'll TG you my Yahoo

Spain has never been a united country since XVIII century, although usually Spaniards start their "modern" lineage with the arrival of Habsburg family when Isabel I and Fernando IV and Castile and Aragon united in an only kingdom.

House of Habsgurg
Charles I --> Philip II (nicknamed "el Bello") --> Philip III --> Philip IV --> Charles II (nicknamed "el Embrujado").

When Charles II died without heirs, Spain entered on a kind of civil war, named War of Succession. This war, won by the Frenchmen Philip V, provoked a total unification of Spain in a French style, trying to supress the culture and the language of the other nations situated in the Península.

House of Bourbon
Phillip V --> Louis I (for half a year) --> Phillip V --> Ferdinand VI --> Charles III (nicknamed "Madrid's best mayor") --> Charles IV --> Ferdinand VII

French troops entered in Spain towards Portugal, but they stayed in the country for a long time. Ferdinand VII abdicated and passed the throne to Joseph of Bonaparte, Napoleon's brother.

House of Bonaparte
Joseph I (nicknamed "Pepe Botella")

Spanish troops won the Independence War and the House of Bourbon was restored.

House of Bourbon, first restoration
Ferdinand VII --> Isabella II

In those times, there was a lot of inestability in the country, and it forced Isabella to flee to France.

House of Savoy
Amadeus I was elected by the cortes, although he was Italian.

Amadeus I abdicated and the First Spanish Republic was proclamed. A year later, a coup d'état finished with the Republic and the Bourbons went to the throne again.

House of Bourbon, second restoration
Alfonso XII --> Alfonso XIII

Alphones XIII had to flee when republican parties landslided on local elections throughout the country. Then, the Second Spanish Republic was proclamed and lasted five years. In 1936, there was the Spanish Civil War and dictator Francisco Franco ruled the country until 1975.

House of Bourbon, third restoration
Juan Carlos I, incumbent.

The history of Spain has been very convulse during XIX and XX centuries, and all those wars and restorations have been a product of this convulsions.

Sorry if my English hasn't been very good.

Don't spam my thread!Don't spam my thread!Don't spam my thread!

It doesn't matter because you aren't in the EA and Spain doesn't exist in the EA and ----Kenny---- is the EA member with spanish geography. I wonder if I can get 'closed' in the thread title.

Edit: France and Portugal don't exist in the EA either and neither does Alarkonia.

What my flustered friend is trying to say is, is that this is a Europa Atlantica ONLY thread. If your not in the EA, please refrain from posting. If you wish to be in the EA, please refrain from posting until you are actually in the region. And if you're interested in the EA, but don't know what it is, visit this thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13419638&posted=1#post13419638

Please read all the rules before posting.

Thank you, and have a nice day!

ok I think I am sorting out the tree quite well. 32 names should be no problem and with 24 people alive with any one name it will be a snap. Here is something like what it looks like:

Phillip V
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Charles III - Adriaan I
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Charles IV - Andries I; Adriaan II
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Charles V - Augustus I; Andries II; Adriaan III
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Phillip VI - Bartolomeus I; Augustus II; Andries III; Adriaan IV
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Charles VI - Bonifaas I; Bartolomeus II; Augustus III; Andries IV; Adriaan V
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Phillip VII - Constantijn I; Bonifaas II; Bartolomeus III; Augustus IV; Andries V; Adriaan VI
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Napolean I - Daniel I; Constantijn II; Bonifaas III; Bartolomeus IV; Augustus V; Andries VI; Adriaan VII
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Napolean II - Diederik I; Daniel II; Constantijn III; Bonifaas IV; Bartolomeus V; Augustus VI; Andries VII; Adriaan VIII
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Napolean III - Frans I; Diederik II; Daniel III; Constantijn IV; Bonifaas V; Bartolomeus VI; Augustus VII; Andries VIII; Adriaan IX
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Willem I; Frans II; Diederik III; Daniel IV; Constantijn V; Bonifaas VI; Bartolomeus VII; Augustus VIII; Andries IX; Adriaan X

After that it gets way too complex to show like this.

Whoah...what? lol. Is it

Father
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1st Son; 2nd Son; 3rd Son
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1st Son's Son; 1st Son's 2nd Son, etc?

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Or is it:

Father
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1st Son - 1st Son's Son, 1st Son's 2nd Son, 1st Son's 3rd Son
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2nd Son - 2nd Son's Son, 2nd Son's 2nd Son, 2nd Son's 3rd Son
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3rd Son - 3rd Son's Son, 3rd Son's 2nd Son, 3rd Son's 3rd Son

*Explained over IM*

Revised summary with males only (females cannot inherit the throne):

Phillip V's children:

Charles III, Adriaan I, Andries I
Adriaan's and Andries lines continue father-single son

Charles III's children:

Charles IV, Augustus I, Antonius I
Augustus' and Antonius' lines continue like Adriaan's

Charles IV'd children:

Charles V, Alfons I, Aloysius I
Alfons' and Aloysius' lines continue like Adriaan's

Charles V's children:

Phillip VI, Bartholomeus I, Bonifaas I
Bartholomeus' and Bonifaas' lines continue like Adriaan's

Phillip VI's children:

Charles VI, Boudewijn I, Caspar I
Boudewijn and Caspar's lines continue like Adriaan's

Charles VI's children:

Phillip VII, Christiaan I, Cornelis I
Christiaan's and Cornelis' lines continue like Adriaan's

Phillip VII's children:

Napolean I, Daniel I, Phillip VIII
Daniel's and Phillip's lines continue like Adriaan's

Napolean I's children:

Napolean II, Diederik I
Diederik's line continues like Adriaan's

Napolean II's children:

Napolean III, Dominicus I
Dominicus' line continues like Adriaan's

During the generation of Willem I (Napolean III's only son), the Dominicus, Diederik, Daniel, Phillip, Christiaan, Cornelis, Boudewijn, Caspar, Bartholomeus, Bonifaas, Alfons, Aloysius, Augustus, Antonius, Adriaan and Andries lines all have two sons who have two sons each who have two sons each who have two sons each who have two sons each. Only those last two generations are still alive so:

Dominicus XVII through LXIV
Diederik XVIII through LXV
Daniel XIX through LXVI
Phillip XIX through LXVI
Christiaan XX through LXVII
Cornelis XX through LXVII
Boudewijn XXI through LXVIII
Casoar XXI through LXVIII
Bartholomeus XXII through LXIX
Bonifaas XXII through LXIX
Alfons XXIII through LXX
Aloysius XXIII through LXX
Augustus XXIV through LXXI
Antonius XXIV through LXXI
Adriaan XXV through LXXII
Andries XXV through LXXII

That is in rough order of the line of succession, the names not the numbers all though the numbers show the person with that name who is still 'alive' with the least number and with the greatest number.

Bump for more Europa Atlantican royal history.