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President Norheim called a press conference in the Presidential Mansion, which was bedecked in the flags of Yanitaria, Surailia, Beatus, and Stoklomolvi.

Standing at his podium in the great hall, he announced

"Our commitment to keeping peace in Europa Atlantica is the foremost of our worries. We have worked hard, with the assistance of Chairman Gaultier, who agreed to visit me in the city of New Oslo, and talk over an agreement that all parties would find suitable.

"After numerous conference calls and emails with Commissar Stuyonovich and President Jim Lange, we have all reached a point where all parties are satisfied, and where aggression against another nation by one of us is impossible. So today, I announce the ratification of the New Oslo Pact."

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Preamble: We the nations, attending this conference in New Oslo, Anatolian Province, Yanitaria, or signing afterward, have created this union in order to further our national sovereignty, and protect our citizens.

By decree of the governments of the Republic of Beatus, the Communist Dominion of Stoklomolvi, the Allied States of Surailia, and the United Socialist States of Yanitaria, the New Oslo Pact is hereby created, with it's headquarters in New Oslo, Yanitaria.

Article 1

The New Oslo Pact will be recognized as an official alliance between all signatory states. It must be entered in full by any nation wishing to join, meaning that no individual provinces may join with out the consent of all provinces.

For this purpose, a province is defined as a section of a larger government, often seperate to allow for semi-autonomy, administrative control, or due to wartime conflict.

If a province separates from another state, and the members of the security council recognize the state as independent, the province shall be admitted.

Article 2

All member states must be willing to accept the following rules.
No member state shall threaten another state in any way
No member state shall in any way commit acts of war against another member state
All member states must provide 0.001% of their budget to the treasury of the alliance, with any run over money (money not spent) going back to the coffers of the member nations
All member states must cooperate with other member states when asked by the Security Council
In times of a defensive war, all member states must come to the aid of any other member state, unless permitted by the state at war.

Article 3

The Council of Nations will be the executive body of the NOP, made up of all nations that have proven that have proven to be good RPers, and have been active members for at least 2 weeks.

The General Assembly will be the body composed of the newest nations to the NOP, until they are deemed fit to be on the Council

Any nation may propose a resolution pertaining to the alliance, which must be passed by a 51% majority vote.

In all resolutions, a majority vote by the council will be able to veto the resolution.

Any Article may be amended, and is done so through passing a resolution to amend it.

The Council may remove any nation from the NOP by a 51% majority vote.

Article 4
All member states must be willing to host a military base in their nation that may be used by members of the NOP, or NOP forces.

The cost of the military base will be equally distributed among those who use it. In times of disuse, the NOP organization as a whole will fund it's up keep.

NOP forces in a combat zone acting as a part of the alliance must equip their troops with a navy blue on orange patch and orange beret, identifying themselves as NOP soldiers.

Article 5
The NOP may only enter into war as an alliance with a 5/7th's vote of the council.

Article 6
The NOP will never become involved in any colonial war, with a colonial war defined as as an offensive engagement with the goal of annexing land, except by a unanimous vote by the council.

The NOP, being a primarily peaceful organization, will attempt to settle disputes between member nations and outside parties through diplomatic means.

Article 7
All member states must have a NOP office and offer asylum to any of the member state's citizens during times of war. All member states must also have an embassy with in the other member's borders.

If a NOP office or embassy is unavailable, a military base may be used until one can be built.

All NOP member states must extradite criminals if requested by another member state. An extradition order may be argued, and brought before the council.

In the event of a natural disaster, all NOP nations shall take in refugees and displaced persons immediately. Nations currently suffering a national disaster/emergency are excused.

Article 8
All NOP funds will be stored in a private bank in The Beatus, and will be used for the following:

-New Oslo Relief Organization, an organization dedicated to providing medical relief to disaster areas.
-New Oslo International Police (New Oslo Interpol), an organization made of and controlled by NOP members to allow for increased police cooperation, and to allow for investigations between borders of our nations. (*note, an extradition order must be issued and approved before an apprehended criminal can be moved to the country where the crime originated).
-New Oslo Military Advancement Fund, a fund meant to help new nations conform to NOP standards in the areas of armaments.

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Current Signatories:

Council
The United Socialist States of Yanitaria
The Allied States of Surailia
The Communist Dominion of Stoklomolvi
The Free Republic of Oily Prata
The People's Republic of Orbath
The Constitutional Monarchy of The House of Boothby
The United Socialist States of Soviet Aissur
The Kingdom of Kabavian

General Assembly
The United Socialist States of Morgiland

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Website:

www.NewOsloPact.ya (http://z15.invisionfree.com/New_Oslo_Pact/index.php?act=idx)

(OOC: It redirects to a real website)

crap, I misspelt the title. Can I get a mod to change it to New Oslo Pact?

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Imperial Communiqué

Open Declaration:
The Holy Imperium of Pictavia, Anagonia and Torvque will not participate in the signing of this document for the follow reasons:
0.01% of Pictish taxes will not go into a 'treasurey' whose application is not pre-defined.
Pictavia will not accept subordination to the following states in any way, shape or form via the 'High Council': Beatus, Stoklomolvi, Surailia and Yanitaria.
Foreign nationals of a region which is so readily at the brink of war at almost all times will not be permitted a military base in Pictavia for obvious defensive reasons.
The defencive issues of certain member states are of no concern to the Imperium, and thus the Imperium will not come to their aid.
Individuals who breach Imperial law in imperial territory will be subjected to Imperial punishment, and not offered the opportunity of extradition.

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Regards,
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Gaius Kadesh, Consul of the Pictish Imperium
High Commander of the Pictish Armed Forces
Warlord of the Utopian Crusades

OOC: It's .01%

East Ying
East Ying refuses to sign such a pact under the following circumstances:
Article 2, section 1 clearly states that no nation is allowed to "threaten" another member state. This, we cannot accept. Why? Because, we are a nation. We simply don't just sit like ducks in a hunting pond, waiting for some other member to rebell from the alliance and attack.

Article 2 Also states that ".01 %" of our budget must be donated to your treasury. This, we cannot accept, because the money can go to a more worthy cause, for example, Health, Police etc.

We hope we did not offend any of the Alliance leaders in any way.
Thank-You

OOC: Yani: Edited. East ying: I realize it doesn't say specifically that you have to be an EA state to sign, but I believe it is strongly hinted. Do you ever read the OPs?

Yani: the Koninkrijk will join if it may have a seat on the 'High Council'. Why did you put Stok, Beatus and Surailia in addition to your own country as signatories? TG's? I'm curious, if it was TGs, why I wasn't TGed. I'll agree. I hope we may do a 'Rotterdam Pact' between you, Surailia, Calzorinstan, No Taxes and I for Free Drugs.

To The Nation of East-Ying:

In regards to your first objection, if a nation is going to rebel, they will either not threaten to do it, and surprise us all, or threaten another member, and therefore get kicked out.

In regards to your second objection, the .01 percent will go to fund several programs that better the military, police, and health care institutions of member nations.

Regardless, we aren't particularly looking for members, so you are free to object all you want. Furthermore, a nation that full well intends to threaten allies isn't ideal for the New Oslo Pact.

Yani: the Koninkrijk will join if it may have a seat on the 'High Council'. Why did you put Stok, Beatus and Surailia in addition to your own country as signatories? TG's? I'm curious, if it was TGs, why I wasn't TGed. I'll agree. I hope we may do a 'Rotterdam Pact' between you, Surailia, Calzorinstan, No Taxes and I for Free Drugs.

We mainly talked through the message board I listed. I'll see if the other high council members are cool with it. Otherwise, the best I can promise you is a seat on the lower council, which is midway.

OOC: Yani: Edited. East ying: I realize it doesn't say specifically that you have to be an EA state to sign, but I believe it is strongly hinted. Do you ever read the OPs?

NP, it's not strictly EA, though the politics are definitely gonna be EA-centric

We mainly talked through the message board I listed. I'll see if the other high council members are cool with it. Otherwise, the best I can promise you is a seat on the lower council, which is midway.

OK, that's kewl. Considering I'm small area & pop wise compared to you, you guys could each have x seats and I get 1. x > 1 and preferably x < 5.

OOC: Very well, sorry then. I would sign, but I'm afraid I'm not going to on the same grounds as why I never posted "The Atlantican Union". There is yet no reason to ally and commit Pictavia and her sovereign protectorates to nations of completely different cultural and political goals. Should there be a devastating EA war, then we'll definitely reconsider our position, however for the moment Pictavia wishes to remain independent. What we may offer, is an EA-wide Peace Treaty, but that's as far as we will go.

OOC: To all whom it may concern:
I do read OPs. Otherwise, how would I object what i objected??? Also, nowhere does it say that non-EA members are allowed, and it does not hint it either, it only states that it would be worth giving ATTN to if you were in EA because it was made by nations from EA. For some reason, i am starting to think that this forum thinks I'm dumb, or some type of person that never reads. Please correct any of the above if I'm wrong.

EDIT: It also states that "their commitment is to keep peace in 'Europa Atlantica' But, is it not also keeping peace other places by allying out of EA nations?? This example, the commitment one, is just the small RP part, or, as i would like to think, or as i DO think, is the introduction. Somewhat of a small "glimpse" of the alliance.

OOC: Very well, sorry then. I would sign, but I'm afraid I'm not going to on the same grounds as why I never posted "The Atlantican Union". There is yet no reason to ally and commit Pictavia and her sovereign protectorates to nations of completely different cultural and political goals. Should there be a devastating EA war, then we'll definitely reconsider our position, however for the moment Pictavia wishes to remain independent. What we may offer, is an EA-wide Peace Treaty, but that's as far as we will go.

Np, NP.

OK, that's kewl. Considering I'm small area & pop wise compared to you, you guys could each have x seats and I get 1. x > 1 and preferably x < 5.


Jah, das ist good. Sign up on the message board, and you're in. I'll add your name to the list

Np, NP.




Jah, das ist good. Sign up on the message board, and you're in. I'll add your name to the list

I'll sign up as Benelux. Erm...Wouldn't I be High Council? ...

The Binarian Empire refuses to sign, as it would put us under the rule of communists, and smaller, weaker nations.

Np, NP.




Jah, das ist good. Sign up on the message board, and you're in. I'll add your name to the list

Misunderstood, backing out. consider Benelux never part of this 'Pact' trying to subject free nations to these 4 'Founding Fathers'. *spits*

The Binarian Empire refuses to sign, as it would put us under the rule of communists, and smaller, weaker nations.

We're not subjecting anyone.

Misunderstood, backing out. consider Benelux never part of this 'Pact' trying to subject free nations to these 4 'Founding Fathers'. *spits*

Again, not subjecting anyone. Just because you were looking for a way to get power for yourself doesn't mean that's what the rest of us will be doing.

In anycase, the charter has been amended

Again, not subjecting anyone. Just because you were looking for a way to get power for yourself doesn't mean that's what the rest of us will be doing.

In anycase, the charter has been amended

That's a relief. I thought you might declare war on me.

*cogs tick*

That's actually a good idea, now that you mention it.

The Scandian Commonwealth shall not sign due to our isolationist stance on multinational alliances.

The Scandian Commonwealth shall not sign due to our isolationist stance on multinational alliances.

Thanks kirav, for not jumping to the "ZOMG SUBJEGATION" thought line.

Hang on, you originally said something like only three of us could be lower council members and even then we'd have to be voted in and wouldn't have a veto. I think under those circumstances, "ZOMG SUBJEGATION" as you put it is a very relevant reason to not sign the treaty. The founding members clearly held more power, them being yourself, Stok, Beatus and Surailia, and thus had more authority of key decisions which could easily effect our own nations. In a way, we'd be quite a bit less sovereign. I like the idea of the alliance, but that is clearly the IC stance Pictavia would take on it.

It's structured similarly to the UC, only we don't BADGER people for their NS descriptions.

Wait, the lower council doesn't have the veto power? That's a typo. No wonder people have been jumping to subjugation.

No, the security council has the veto power. That means members of the low and high council. I rescind my earlier statements, all of you simply don't read.

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We thank the nations of the New Oslo Pact for the invite, but for the time being wish to decline.

Mark Velo
Mark Velo
President of ----Kenny----

It's structured similarly to the UC, only we don't BADGER people for their NS descriptions.

Alright guys, no need to get aggressive on a personal level. Stok, I'm playing Nationstates here, that's it. If it says your making anti-environmental choices then that's what I have to go on. I am just saying that Pictavia wouldn't join ICly, because there's still the chance she wouldn't get a place on the security council and thus wouldn't be in control of decisions which effect her.
Again, this is all just IC stuff, its the way it works. Getting aggressive OOCly will not change Pictavia.

I was just annoyed at how you suggested that I change my nation entirely yesterday. The mere thought is argh. About your comments, I was annoyed about how it is structured similarly to the UC, yet you complain. Then again, I was annoyed at everything at the time. If it offended you, I apologise.

And I am simply annoyed that people feel the need to say "I didn't really read this post too carefully, but I am gonna preemptively accuse you of trying to subjugate my nation."

I mean, if you don't want to join, no one is asking you to. You really don't need to post, simply ignoring it would be fine.

*Reads treaty*
Nope.
I recommend that all our states are in one general assembly, without one having higher power over others(Except the 2 year rotating president, of course) with adjustments in voting for weaker nations. To me personally, that'd be fair.

I'd personally be willing to negotiate.

Honestly, the High Council powers aren't that much. Really, it just ensures there isn't someone going wild, an trying to pass stupid resolutions

Lower council seats are almost exactly the same, except the for the right to remove people from the council, which is just a safety precaution.

Aside from those two points, there is no difference between the general assembly and the security council.

Well, except for the forum room for the security council, which is just to keep votes a little more private, so that no one can take revenge on another for voting a particular way.

His royal imperial higness Philip believes that Hectonia cannot possibly sign such a treaty at this time.

Please everyone calm down. The councils are just a way to keep everyone organized this is not a ruling body but simply an alliance betwixt the nations and the higher and lower boards are mainly for security reasons where we can post without fear of spies from other nations reading our thoughts on matters that could be an advantage to them, no such posts have been made at this time but when they are they need to be kept relatively safe! all signatory nations get to post on the less secure board.

All NOP Nations get an equal voice, as for the communist prevalence in the Pact is merely co incidence.

so in essence i would like to say to yall in the most respectful way possible...please everyone pull your individual flag poles out of your asses and stop trying to read into what we have not written

OOC: Surailia, you are really treading a fine line for flaiming/flaimbaitng in that last post. I find it quite offensive.

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Imperial Communiqué

Open Statement:
The Pictish Imperium wishes the nations of The New Oslo Pact all the best, however wish to reiterate our stance that in this very moment, Pictiavia does not wish to enter into a trans-Atlantican alliance. For some time now, the Pictish and Beneluxian governments have been forging a similar treaty in the interests of all, however we feel that the current cultural, political and economic diversity of Europa Atlantica would not be best served by such an organization. As such, we wish to continue our co-authorship of the previously proposed Atlantican treaty in the hope of shaping the charter into something which can benefit the region as best as it can, although I must reiterate that at this moment in time, Pictaiva is not ready for such a commitment.

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Regards,
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Gaius Kadesh, Consul of the Pictish Imperium
High Commander of the Pictish Armed Forces
Warlord of the Utopian Crusades

There, I rewrote the thing to edit out the security council.

Now it's structured like the UC, with a council of the senior members, who have proven that they are good RPers, and the general assembly, who haven't.

---From the desk of Thomas Christopher Clark Boothby, hereditary ruler of the House of Boothby---

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To the High Council of the New Oslo Pact.

I send this communique on behalf of my nation, The House of Boothby, in regard to our prospective status in the NOP. If the high council would please provide me with information on what rank The House of Boothby would garner should we request and receive admittance to the NOP, I would be most grateful.

We would in addition like more information of what would constitute a "military base." Specifically numbers of troops and armaments and the potential national composition of personal.

In addition I feel it is appropriate to add that The House of Boothby currently has embassies in Stoklomolvi and Beatus, however, our request for ambassadorial accommodation in Yanitaria has yet to be processed.

I await your reply.

Regards,
Thomas Christopher Clark Boothby

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Stoklomolvi Secretariat of State
7656 Hegemony Drive, Administrative Compound, Office Complex 7C, Hallway 52L, Room 89
Vladistov, Stoklomolvi

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To: House of Boothby
Subject: Admission into NOP

Stoklomolvi declares that Boothby should be allowed to join either as a General Assembly member or a Low Council member. Our northern neighbour will be granted numerous advantages and benefits, such as free trade with other NOP nations, as well as military protection.

Regards,
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Grigor Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich
Civilian Management
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Signed,
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Alexei Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich
The Commissar of Stoklomolvi

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---From the desk of Thomas Christopher Clark Boothby, hereditary ruler of the House of Boothby---

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To: Grigor Aleksandrovich Stuyonovich
Subject: Re Admission into NOP

The House of Boothby would like to express our gratitude to our southern comrade's endorsement for our installment in the NOP. If the current consensus of the High Council is that our nation should apply for Lower Council admission we accept this placement. Of course we would ask that once our nation has matured under the NOP we would seek installment on the High Council.

At this time The House of Boothby would like to officially petition the NOP for admittance. I have read the original terms and conditions of the New Oslo Pact and feel that our nation can fulfill the responsibilities outlined for member nations.

We eagerly await High Council approval and an ushering in of security and economic prosperity to our nation.

Regards,
Thomas Christopher Clark Boothby

---From the desk of Thomas Christopher Clark Boothby, hereditary ruler of the House of Boothby---

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To the High Council of the New Oslo Pact.

I send this communique on behalf of my nation, The House of Boothby, in regard to our prospective status in the NOP. If the high council would please provide me with information on what rank The House of Boothby would garner should we request and receive admittance to the NOP, I would be most grateful.

We would in addition like more information of what would constitute a "military base." Specifically numbers of troops and armaments and the potential national composition of personal.

In addition I feel it is appropriate to add that The House of Boothby currently has embassies in Stoklomolvi and Beatus, however, our request for ambassadorial accommodation in Yanitaria has yet to be processed.

I await your reply.

Regards,
Thomas Christopher Clark Boothby

OOC: I am writing this OOCly so that I can speed this up. You'd be general assembly until you have basically proven your RPing ability and maybe participate in a low intensity conflict with another NOP nation.

Military bases will be held by the owning nation's troops, but you have to make accomodations for other NOP nations, should they need a staging area, or need to make repairs, etc.

Embassy: I don't have internet at home (that's why I haven't been active the last few days), and I can only access the web from school. Once my net is back up, I'll process it.

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I'll update everything once my interweb is back up.

Also, it has hit me that I can't approve your forum membership. Once I get my net back, I'll have to give Stok admin status, just in case my net blinks out again.

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Soviet Aissur has read and re-read the full contents of the Alliance Terms. We put it to a vote in our Government whether or not to sign. It was passed with a 100% acceptance. Therefore our Leader and Secretary of Foreign Affairs will sign the Pact at the next possible moment, and we hope we will be allowed to join. The only thing we are unsure of, however, is what size said Military Base in Article Four would be.

(Signed)
Jeremi Stalin (Leader)
Jeremi Stalin II (Air Force Commander)
Jakob Stalin II (Tank/Soldier Commander)
Joni Stalin (Artillery Commander)
Joni Stalin II (Naval Commander)
Jay Johnation II (Secretary of Foreign Affairs)

Communique To NOP Assembly

WE have put our love of equality and socialism with us, and the Parliment of OIly Prata has passed a decaration to appeal to join the NOP alliance due to our long-standing friendship with Yanitaria and Stoklomovi.
Thank you
Nikalaus Tezla
Oily Prata

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Communique To NOP Assembly

Yeah, sure, join the forums. I'll update the list.

The only thing we are unsure of, however, is what size said Military Base in Article Four would be.


OOC: Oops, sorry to overlook that. It's up for discussion, but basically it's an empty base until someone from the NOP needs it.

We can talk specifics in the Alliance Forums.

OOC: Oops, sorry to overlook that. It's up for discussion, but basically it's an empty base until someone from the NOP needs it.

We can talk specifics in the Alliance Forums.OOC:Okay great. You used to have a 1337 post count!

OOC:Okay great. You used to have a 1337 post count!

OOC: NOOOO, It's GONE!

OOC: NOOOO, It's GONE!OOC:[Insert sad face here.] I have not yet been accepted for the Alliance forums.

OOC:[Insert sad face here.] I have not yet been accepted for the Alliance forums.

Very sorry, I thought I had already approved it.

OOC:I got 38 Posts in one day.

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