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A Message From Chancellor Trice, Elected Leader of The Separatist State of Pablicosta

It is with some considerable regret that I am urged to issue this notice to all Nations of the World.
The unworthy underclass of Pablicosta, though human in form and biology are vastly different from all other peoples of our land, they are not true Pablicostans. It is with this in mind that they have been allowed to live in separated colonies in the borders of Pablicosta for the last 7 years, where they have been given roles suitable to their skills. These roles have included mine field cleaning device, medical trialists, live military firing range 'assistants' and Nuclear Reactor Cleaners.
However, in recent months it has become economically inviable to continue accommodating the populous of these camps, so Myself and my Government have made the decision to remove said people and the economic ties to them.
It is with this in mind that I write now, to offer you, the leaders of Nations, these classless beings. Please feel free to begin making offers immediately, all will be considered. It is not necessary to include information about the destiny of the purchased beings, though if it is disclosed this will not affect the way your bid is handled.
There are approx. 100 million units for immediate sale, with potential for more business in the future.

In the event that a sale cannot be agreed within 2 weeks the Nation of Pablicosta will use the units to supply the under-performing Minced Meat & Animal Foods Industry in Pablicosta, though this option is undesirable due to the logistical costs involved.

Yours,

Chancellor Trice.

A Message From Chancellor Trice, Elected Leader of The Separatist State of Pablicosta

It is with some considerable regret that I am urged to issue this notice to all Nations of the World.
The unworthy underclass of Pablicosta, though human in form and biology are vastly different from all other peoples of our land, they are not true Pablicostans. It is with this in mind that they have been allowed to live in separated colonies in the borders of Pablicosta for the last 7 years, where they have been given roles suitable to their skills. These roles have included mine field cleaning device, medical trialists, live military firing range 'assistants' and Nuclear Reactor Cleaners.
However, in recent months it has become economically inviable to continue accommodating the populous of these camps, so Myself and my Government have made the decision to remove said people and the economic ties to them.
It is with this in mind that I write now, to offer you, the leaders of Nations, these classless beings. Please feel free to begin making offers immediately, all will be considered. It is not necessary to include information about the destiny of the purchased beings, though if it is disclosed this will not affect the way your bid is handled.
There are approx. 100 million units for immediate sale, with potential for more business in the future.

In the event that a sale cannot be agreed within 2 weeks the Nation of Pablicosta will use the units to supply the under-performing Minced Meat & Animal Foods Industry in Pablicosta, though this option is undesirable due to the logistical costs involved.

Yours,

Chancellor Trice.

The ASoGM does not abide slavery, and we are abhorred at your lack of tolerance. However, we are firm believers in a nation's sovereignty, so we will do nothing militarily. We do wish to liberate these people, so we will pay $50,000 per person, for a total of $5 trillion dollars. Assuming you accept our offer, we will provide transportation, and when these people reach ASoGM, they will start their new lives as naturalized ASoGM citizens.

ASoGM,

We provisionally accept your offer of $5 Trillion, though we must inform you that this offer will remain open for at least 72 hours to allow all parties to put forward offers. Unless another party submits a higher offer in that time, you will be declared the winner of this auction and arrangements can then be made regarding transport.

Thankyou.

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We will provide $2.5 trillion of the $5 Trillion offer from the ASoGM, as a show of goodwill and as part of our stance against slavery.

The Buy & Sell Corporation has a better idea. Instead of selling them all now for a large price, let us rent them out and have them work in factories we would like to build in your nation. This way, a small amount could continue the careers you mentioned, while the rest of them will work in sub-standard factories to make cheap and safe goods for your nation. The renting price of one of these beasts would be twenty thousand a year, and would bulster your economy and give more money to the government in several years, in a steady, never ending stream. We hope you accept.

The Nation of Pablicosta would like to issue a note to all interested parties that the units for sale are in fact, not slaves. They are not forced into any work, they are simply put in the same position as all other citizens. They must work in order to survive.

The Buy & Sell Corporation has a better idea. Instead of selling them all now for a large price, let us rent them out and have them work in factories we would like to build in your nation. This way, a small amount could continue the careers you mentioned, while the rest of them will work in sub-standard factories to make cheap and safe goods for your nation. The renting price of one of these beasts would be twenty thousand a year, and would bulster your economy and give more money to the government in several years, in a steady, never ending stream. We hope you accept.

The ASoGM finds your idea sickening. Sweat shops and slave labor are not the way to treat another human being.

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Pablicosta, it has to do with your selling of them, that makes most people consider it slavery.

The Dominion is prepared to offer you 51,000 Universal Standard Dollars for each of the units, for a total of 5.1 trillion dollars. We can retreive the bulk of the purchase at once.

Good day,
Mr. White.

We will take them all, how much do you want?

The Buy & Sell Corporation has a better idea. Instead of selling them all now for a large price, let us rent them out and have them work in factories we would like to build in your nation. This way, a small amount could continue the careers you mentioned, while the rest of them will work in sub-standard factories to make cheap and safe goods for your nation. The renting price of one of these beasts would be twenty thousand a year, and would bulster your economy and give more money to the government in several years, in a steady, never ending stream. We hope you accept.


The option of renting out the units would be considered, although the exact terms of your proposed deal do not suit our needs. We simply do not need to enlarge the work force in low end roles.
Our suggestion would be that, if you could suggest suitable roles in your own factories, or those built elsewhere, then you could rent any number of the units at will. It would be required that you pay for the accommodation in Pablicosta of the units, which runs at approx. $500 per unit per year.
Would this be amicable?

We will take them all, how much do you want?

OOC: We've already offered more than your GDP, you lose.

Pablicosta, it has to do with your selling of them, that makes most people consider it slavery.

The sale aspect is only favored by the Pablicostan government to providing the units to the Minced Meats and Animal Foods Industry as it will allow us to recover our losses on the accommodation of these units over the last 7 years. An amount of the profit will be put forward to ensure such units are not produced hence forth, to avoid a similar situation.

Jimmy James Industries would like to take 200,000 people off your hands at the price of $100,000 each for a total of $20,000,000,000.

The Dominion is prepared to offer you 51,000 Universal Standard Dollars for each of the units, for a total of 5.1 trillion dollars. We can retreive the bulk of the purchase at once.

Good day,
Mr. White.


Your offer is provisionally accepted, at $5.1 trillion. As previously stated, the offer remains open for 72 hours in order to allow all bids to be made.

The Nation of Pablicosta would like to issue a note to all interested parties that the units for sale are in fact, not slaves. They are not forced into any work, they are simply put in the same position as all other citizens. They must work in order to survive.

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Third Spanish States Official Statement

The Anarchist Confederacy of Third Spanish States notices the massive contradiction and hypocrisy contained in this statement which contradicts entirely the initial offer of human beings for sale and the claims they are used in functions which no sane person would accept to perform by their own free will, that their corpses would be used as sources for gruesome and disgusting soylent foods if nobody became interested, and besides that this does not remove the possibility the interested buyer would have them as slaves. Thus we notice Pablicosta seems to have certain views as of having its ethnicity as the "ubermensch", a belief which has in both distant and recent past leaded to considerably bloody wars and conflicts and to considerable losses to those who supported such views.

Also, we are immediately boycotting all products of the Buy & Sell Corporation based in Vontanas and of Jimmy James Industries based in Beatus, and foreign relations with those who endorse such practice, with exception of those who wish to genuinely pay for the freedom of the "underclass", will become strained with the potential stop of all trade relations between Third Spanish States and those countries.

Finally we are preparing a small group of civilian transport ships adapted as Mobile Euthanasia Stations to be transported to your nation and land on its shore, where they shall offer services to those that, bereft of choice, would rather die free than live as slaves or cheap expendable labor, any use of military action against these unarmed ships will be considered a declaration of war.

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Third Spanish States ANTIFA Unofficial Statement

As a retaliation to the atrocities being performed by the nation known as the The Separatist State of Pablicosta, the members of the non-governmental organization known ANTIFA will now increase their vigilance against the practice of slavery and shoot all slavers operating in Third Spanish States on sight, and also kill all supporters of slavery in Third Spanish States, including pro-slavery citizens of Pablicosta residing there, as those who support such inhumane practice are the dregs of mankind and a threat to the freedom of decent, honest people, and ironically, they, who arrogantly claim to be of a superior strain of mankind are the bottom of the gene pool as savage animals who delight as vermins and parasites living through the blood and sweat of others rather than those victims who seek dignity and life. We consider the life of an "underclass" human to be worth 100 more times than the life of any pro-slavery scum and this shall reflect our present and future actions.

Jimmy James Industries would like to take 200,000 people off your hands at the price of $100,000 each for a total of $20,000,000,000.

As we have already accepted provisional offers for all the units, we cannot at this time accept an offer for less than this. However, if you still wish to obtain some of the units, may we suggest contacting one of the bulk bidders to arrange a co-bid?

Yours,
Vice Secretary Elaine King.

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Third Spanish States Official Statement

The Anarchist Confederacy of Third Spanish States notices the massive contradiction and hypocrisy contained in this statement which contradicts entirely the initial offer of human beings for sale and the claims they are used in functions which no sane person would accept to perform by their own free will, that their corpses would be used as sources for gruesome and disgusting soylent foods if nobody became interested, and besides that this does not remove the possibility the interested buyer would have them as slaves. Thus we notice Pablicosta seems to have certain views as of having its ethnicity as the "ubermensch", a belief which has in both distant and recent past leaded to considerably bloody wars and conflicts and to considerable losses to those who supported such views.

Also, we are immediately boycotting all products of the Buy & Sell Corporation based in Vontanas and of Jimmy James Industries based in Beatus, and foreign relations with those who endorse such practice, with exception of those who wish to genuinely pay for the freedom of the "underclass", will become strained with the potential stop of all trade relations between Third Spanish States and those countries.

Finally we are preparing a small group of civilian transport ships adapted as Mobile Euthanasia Stations to be transported to your nation and land on its shore, where they shall offer services to those that, bereft of choice, would rather die free than live as slaves or cheap expendable labor, any use of military action against these unarmed ships will be considered a declaration of war.

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Third Spanish States ANTIFA Unofficial Statement

As a retaliation to the atrocities being performed by the nation known as the The Separatist State of Pablicosta, the members of the non-governmental organization known ANTIFA will now increase their vigilance against the practice of slavery and shoot all slavers operating in Third Spanish States on sight, and also kill all supporters of slavery in Third Spanish States, including pro-slavery citizens of Pablicosta residing there, as those who support such inhumane practice are the dregs of mankind and a threat to the freedom of decent, honest people, and ironically, they, who arrogantly claim to be of a superior strain of mankind are the bottom of the gene pool as savage animals who delight as vermins and parasites living through the blood and sweat of others rather than those victims who seek dignity and life. We consider the life of an "underclass" human to be worth 100 more times than the life of any pro-slavery scum and this shall reflect our present and future actions.

To the Third Spanish States,

I am insulated that you imply my company would have anything to do with slavery. No where in my message to Pablicosta did I state that they would be used as slaves. The offer I made was to save these poor people from becoming someones steak. I was going to give them all housing in the newly constructed Jimmy James Towers, and offer them employment there, for fair wages, with good benefits. If this is the way the international community responds to businesses doing something good, than I'm not surprised it does not happen often.

Signed
Jimmy James,
CEO, Owner,
Jimmy James Industries

Good afternoon.

I'm a small time guy running a small time nation...and I've got a small time offer to make you.

I'd like to purchase the freedoms of one (1) of your slaves. I need a strapping young lad to harvest my crops for the season since my knee injury.

He'll be allowed to do as he wishes in my nation after one year's labor working in my field. Room & board will be included.

As repayment, once your citizen completes his annum task, he'll be given amnesty in our country and allowed to make one visit to his home nation annually to give you a personal gift from me; 1 pound of class-A marijuana.

I know it's not much, but I don't think I'm asking for much either.

I'll be awaiting your reply.

-Prime Minister Tom, I.S.D.

The Dominion is prepared to offer you 51,000 Universal Standard Dollars for each of the units, for a total of 5.1 trillion dollars. We can retreive the bulk of the purchase at once.

Good day,
Mr. White.

To Mr. White,

I would like to purchase 200,000 of these people, at a price of $100,000 a person, nearly doubling your initial investment. As you can see this is a win, win. If you agree, I can have the $20,000,000,000 in cash ready within the hour. Also I would prefer if the any families could be kept intact, if that means I don't get exactly 200,000 people I will take less, and still pay the full amount offered.

Signed
Jimmy James,
CEO, Owner,
Jimmy James Industries

To the Third Spanish States,

I am insulated that you imply my company would have anything to do with slavery. No where in my message to Pablicosta did I state that they would be used as slaves. The offer I made was to save these poor people from becoming someones steak. I was going to give them all housing in the newly constructed Jimmy James Towers, and offer them employment there, for fair wages, with good benefits. If this is the way the international community responds to businesses doing something good, than I'm not surprised it does not happen often.

Signed
Jimmy James,
CEO, Owner,
Jimmy James Industries

Private Reply

From: Third Spanish States DiploNet
To: Jimmy James Industries
Subject: Boycott Lift-off

The boycott is temporarily lifted off. However, for it to be entirely dismissed, you must allow a consultant from Third Spanish States to verify the conditions of those "purchased" citizens after they arrive to Beatus to work at your industries at any, unscheduled and non previously informed time to ensure they are not being treated as slaves.

A Notice From The Ministry of Defense, Pablicosta.
Endorsed by Chancellor.


Upon receipt of your statement (attached), we must take issue with your intentions. The Separatist State of Pablicosta is a sovereign state and is ready to defend itself against any unwanted intervention.
It is with this in mind that I am issuing an order to the Naval bases at Port Yard and Date Bay to intensify patrols along Pablicosta's only coastline. I urge you to withdraw your threat promptly or your vessels will be engaged upon entry to Pablicostan sovereign waters. To further this warning I am dispatching the 3rd and 5th Carrier groups to open water in order to ward off any advancing vessels.
Once again, I urge you to withdraw your statement and order any vessels heading for Pablicosta to terminate the voyage immediately.
Yours,
Senior Minister of Defense Strategy,
Cddr. Hans Lickman



Finally we are preparing a small group of civilian transport ships adapted as Mobile Euthanasia Stations to be transported to your nation and land on its shore, where they shall offer services to those that, bereft of choice, would rather die free than live as slaves or cheap expendable labor, any use of military action against these unarmed ships will be considered a declaration of war.

Private Reply

From: Third Spanish States DiploNet
To: Jimmy James Industries
Subject: Boycott Lift-off

The boycott is temporarily lifted off. However, for it to be entirely dismissed, you must allow a consultant from Third Spanish States to verify the conditions of those "purchased" citizens after they arrive to Beatus to work at your industries at any, unscheduled and non previously informed time to ensure they are not being treated as slaves.

To the Third Spanish States,

That is acceptable with me. Your inspectors will be welcome anytime.

Signed
Jimmy James

To Mr. White,

I would like to purchase 200,000 of these people, at a price of $100,000 a person, nearly doubling your initial investment. As you can see this is a win, win. If you agree, I can have the $20,000,000,000 in cash ready within the hour. Also I would prefer if the any families could be kept intact, if that means I don't get exactly 200,000 people I will take less, and still pay the full amount offered.

Signed
Jimmy James,
CEO, Owner,
Jimmy James Industries

The Dominion is willing to agree to your offer, and if/when we come into possesion of the units, two-hundred thousand (200,000) will be transferred to you, for a cost of twenty-billion (20,000,000,000) Universal Standard Dollars. We have no interest in attempting to discern familiy relations, nor spending the logistical energy to do so.

If the units themselves do not concern you, then our physical selection process will determine for us the two-hundred thousand that will be transferred. We have no use for those to weak to serve, and therefore, those usually bound for termination will make up your selection.

Good day,
Mr. White.

A Notice From The Ministry of Defense, Pablicosta.
Endorsed by Chancellor.


Upon receipt of your statement (attached), we must take issue with your intentions. The Separatist State of Pablicosta is a sovereign state and is ready to defend itself against any unwanted intervention.
It is with this in mind that I am issuing an order to the Naval bases at Port Yard and Date Bay to intensify patrols along Pablicosta's only coastline. I urge you to withdraw your threat promptly or your vessels will be engaged upon entry to Pablicostan sovereign waters. To further this warning I am dispatching the 3rd and 5th Carrier groups to open water in order to ward off any advancing vessels.
Once again, I urge you to withdraw your statement and order any vessels heading for Pablicosta to terminate the voyage immediately.
Yours,
Senior Minister of Defense Strategy,
Cddr. Hans Lickman

Private Reply

To: Pablicosta Ministry of Defense
From: Third Spanish States DiploNet
Subject: Right to oppression?

First, our only intention was to give those unfortunate people you refuse to recognize as human beings an option to get rid of their misery. And second:

Nothing gives your nation the right to put those people under forced labor and to use them as source for soylent products, like if they were cattle, if you do not stop these practices and recognize the dignity of those human beings, though we are not going to use violence, we will not recognize the sovereignty of your nation or of its vessels and will peacefully ask for any shipment of slaves from Pablicosta nearby our waters to surrender their "cargo" of human beings, which shall then be freed and granted Third Spanish States citizenship. However, to avoid unnecessary casualities and even more death and suffering, the civilian fleet is retreating. We advise you to stop such policies, as there are many who are daring and powerful enough to act as World Policemen and that would consider this as a perfect justification to invade your nation.

To the Third Spanish States,

I am insulated that you imply my company would have anything to do with slavery. No where in my message to Pablicosta did I state that they would be used as slaves. The offer I made was to save these poor people from becoming someones steak. Upon purchase, they'd be offered employment here, fair wages and benifits, and complementary education. If this is the way the international community responds to businesses doing something good, than I'm not surprised it does not happen often. (OOC: Yes, I copied, but it's the same situation for me as well; I'm trying to free these people, and in turn boost my economy)

Signed
Tucker Boot,
CEO, Owner,
Buy & Sell, Inc.

To Pablicosta,

Our proposal for the jobs of the "underclass" in our factories are mostly simple things, jobs that no one else want. Things like janitorial duties, courier duty, food preperation, and some of the more dangerous manufacturing duties. Most Vantanians are to rich to have these roles filled, and your unwanted would certainly make our factories overall better. The fee associated is most certainly acceptable, and since you don't need low-class workers we'll take them to Vantanas where they are needed.

Signed
Tucker Boot,
CEO, Owner,
Buy & Sell, Inc.

Official Press Release

After a fiery engagement of words this evening, including a direct threat from the Third Spanish States to invade the sovereign waters of Pablicosta, the Pablicostan Navy in the area was placed at Elevated Risk. After a brief stand off, the Third Spanish States withdrew their threat and their Naval presence in the area after an announcement that the full might of the Grand Pablicostan Navy would be a brought against any intruding vessels.
The nation has now been lowered from Elevated to Cautious risk level, although regular intensive patrols will continue to avoid any further infringements on our sovereign rights.

Official Press Release

After a fiery engagement of words this evening, including a direct threat from the Third Spanish States to invade the sovereign waters of Pablicosta, the Pablicostan Navy in the area was placed at Elevated Risk. After a brief stand off, the Third Spanish States withdrew their threat and their Naval presence in the area after an announcement that the full might of the Grand Pablicostan Navy would be a brought against any intruding vessels.
The nation has now been lowered from Elevated to Cautious risk level, although regular intensive patrols will continue to avoid any further infringements on our sovereign rights.

The Dominion would like to extend an offer of temporary protection. In the interest of a safe transaction, the Imperial Navy will dispatch a small squadron to accompany our bulk transport vessels, in addition to usual Imperial Navy convoy escort squadrons.

We have no desire to see our profit squandered by meddling governments and zealous fools.

Good day,
Mr. White.

FROM: Gold Gold Gold Inc.
TO: Separist State of Pablicosta
SUBJECT:Underclass Human

We wish to buy 2,000 units for 150 million USD at a price of $75,000/unit. We hope we may purchase the requested number for the requested price.

-'Human' Resources of Gold Gold Gold Inc.

The Dominion would like to extend an offer of temporary protection. In the interest of a safe transaction, the Imperial Navy will dispatch a small squadron to accompany our bulk transport vessels, in addition to usual Imperial Navy convoy escort squadrons.

We have no desire to see our profit squandered by meddling governments and zealous fools.

Good day,
Mr. White.


Your offer of assisting in the protection of the transport vessels is gratefully accepted by the Pablicostan government. We are also planning to provide naval support for the convoy for it's entire time at sea. Our current plan is to assign the Impetus and the Defiance, Advanced Battleships, as well as the Victory, Vindication and Vanquish, Long Distance Cruisers. It is also planned to assign the Beamish and Lasser Destroyers, along with several Boarding Vessels. We feel this should be sufficient to protect the convoy, but your extra presence can only further ensure the safety of the crews.

FROM: Gold Gold Gold Inc.
TO: Separist State of Pablicosta
SUBJECT:Underclass Human

We wish to buy 2,000 units for 150 million USD at a price of $75,000/unit. We hope we may purchase the requested number for the requested price.

-'Human' Resources of Gold Gold Gold Inc.

Once again, we must inform you that as we have already accepted offers on the entire supply, we cannot accept orders for any part of the total number. We recommend you contact the other interested parties in order to put together a co-bid to obtain the units you desire.

FROM: Gold Gold Gold Inc.
TO: Dominion of Emporer Pudu
SUBJECT: Pablicostan Underclass Labour

We wish to buy 2,000 units for 150 million USD at a price of $75,000/unit. We hope we may purchase the requested number for the requested price.

-'Human' Resources of Gold Gold Gold Inc.

FROM: Gold Gold Gold Inc.
TO: Dominion of Emporer Pudu
SUBJECT: Pablicostan Underclass Labour

We wish to buy 2,000 units for 150 million USD at a price of $75,000/unit. We hope we may purchase the requested number for the requested price.

-'Human' Resources of Gold Gold Gold Inc.

The Dominion will sell to you two-thousand (2,000) units for the individual price of one-hundred thousand (100,000) Universal Standard Dollars. A lower price will not be adaquate.

Good day,
Mr. White

The Dominion will sell to you two-thousand (2,000) units for the individual price of one-hundred thousand (100,000) Universal Standard Dollars. A lower price will not be adaquate.

Good day,
Mr. White

May I inquire as to why a lower price shall not be adequate? Is it still not a profit of 24,000, a return of nearly 50%? Unless someone is buying say more than 9,998,000 units I don't see why you must receive a higher price.

-Human Resources of Gold Gold Gold Inc.

No, you may not inquire. The Dominion has the controlling bid. If you do not want them, then don't buy them.

Good day,
Mr. White.

We shall buy 1,500 for 150 million at a rate of 100,000 per unit.

-Human Resources of Gold Gold Gold Inc.

May I inquire as to why a lower price shall not be adequate? Is it still not a profit of 24,000, a return of nearly 50%? Unless someone is buying say more than 9,998,000 units I don't see why you must receive a higher price.

-Human Resources of Gold Gold Gold Inc.

No, you may not inquire. The Dominion has the controlling bid. If you do not want them, then don't buy them.

Good day,
Mr. White.

We shall buy 1,500 for 150 million at a rate of 100,000 per unit.

-Human Resources of Gold Gold Gold Inc.

The Dominion is willing to agree to your offer, and if/when we come into possesion of the units, fifteen-hundred (1,500) will be transferred to you, for a cost of one-hundred and fifty million (150,000,000) Universal Standard Dollars.

Good day,
Mr. White.

The ASoGM, seeing such a disgusting display of human commodity trafficking by the other nations, ups it offer to $110,000 per person, for a grand total of $ 11 trillion dollars. If the ASoGM has the winning bid, the ASoGM will not sell any of the people to other nations.

The Dominion is unwilling to be outbid in this respect - especially by a nation with such a wasteful purpose for these excellent units. The Dominion is now offering one-hundred and twenty-thousand Universal Standard Dollars for each unit, for a complete and totaled cost of twelve-trillion (12,000,000,000,000) Universal Standard Dollars.

Good day,
Mr. White

The recently 'elected' Supreme Chancellor of Der Volkenland, Franz Frederick, acting on behalf of the Der Volkenland Bureau of Immigration, has decided to purchase 25,000 of these items, to work menial jobs in Der Volkenland's burgeoning Uranium-mining industry. We will pay 4,000 Reichsmarks (Approximately 4217.63 U.S. Dollars) each, for a total of 100,000,000 Reichsmarks. The Uranium-mining industry, though succesful, is in need of labourers to work in the actual process of mining the Uranium. The most recent model of mining machine can only extract 73.5% of the Uranium in each kilogram of ore, and is therefore slightly (2.5% or so) less efficient than live human labourers.

The ASoGM bid will be raised to $130,000 per person, for a total of $13 trillion dollars.

Also, is there a warranty package with the deal? I don't want my property dropping dead after a matter of weeks.

OOC: Did you read the thread at all? If so, you'd see that you've been outbid by a lot, and Pablicosta has already stated that since multiple nations want ALL the people, he won't sell small lots of them.

Also, is there a warranty package with the deal? I don't want my property dropping dead after a matter of weeks.

OOC: Did you read the thread at all? If so, you'd see that you've been outbid by a lot, and Pablicosta has already stated that since multiple nations want ALL the people, he won't sell small lots of them.

Dammit. Well, in that case, we will have to use other subhumans and/or slaves.

The Dominion continues to refuse to be outbid in this respect. The Dominion is now offering one-hundred and thirty-five Universal Standard Dollars for each unit, for a complete and totaled cost of thirteen and a half trillion (13,500,000,000,000) Universal Standard Dollars.

Good day,
Mr. White

The Dominion continues to refuse to be outbid in this respect. The Dominion is now offering one-hundred and thirty-five Universal Standard Dollars for each unit, for a complete and totaled cost of thirteen and a half trillion (13,500,000,000,000) Universal Standard Dollars.

Good day,
Mr. White

To Mr. White,

It is unfortunate that you could not ensure that the families be kept intact, but we will accept your offer. When and where may we pick up these poor people, and bring them on to they're better life?

Signed,
Jimmy James

The ASoGM will increase their bid to $150,000 per person, for a total of $15 trillion dollars, and is a little disturbed by the fact that the nation of Emporer Pudu keeps referring to these people as units.

To Mr. White,

It is unfortunate that you could not ensure that the families be kept intact, but we will accept your offer. When and where may we pick up these poor people, and bring them on to they're better life?

Signed,
Jimmy James

As it is, the Dominion is currently engaged in a auction regarding the units in question. If/when we come into possesion of what you ave purchased, we will transfer your own to you.

Good day,
Mr. White.

The ASoGM will increase their bid to $150,000 per person, for a total of $15 trillion dollars, and is a little disturbed by the fact that the nation of Emporer Pudu keeps referring to these people as units.

The Dominion continues to raise it's bid, in response to foreign interference. The Dominion is now offering one-hundred and fifty thousand - and ten - Universal Standard Dollars for each unit, for a complete and totaled cost of fifteen trillion, and one-million (15,001,000,000,000) Universal Standard Dollars.

Good day,
Mr. White

OOC: We can keep one-upping the other one all night, but that means nothing. I'm purchasing these 'units' out of my Defense budget, because where you see downtrodden workers, I see recruits for the Imperial Janissary Corps.

Either way, my defense budget is larger than any one of your budgets - whatever you're using to purchase these people. I'm off, although I'm sure more bidding will happen while I'm asleep, I'll come back for my future-soldiers, don't worry.

The Dominion continues to raise it's bid, in response to foreign interference. The Dominion is now offering one-hundred and fifty thousand - and ten - Universal Standard Dollars for each unit, for a complete and totaled cost of fifteen trillion, and one-million (15,001,000,000,000) Universal Standard Dollars.

Good day,
Mr. White

OOC: We can keep one-upping the other one all night, but that means nothing. I'm purchasing these 'units' out of my Defense budget, because where you see downtrodden workers, I see recruits for the Imperial Janissary Corps.

Either way, my defense budget is larger than any one of your budgets - whatever you're using to purchase these people. I'm off, although I'm sure more bidding will happen while I'm asleep, I'll come back for my future-soldiers, don't worry.

OOC: You'd like to think you're getting these people, but you're not. :p :D

IC: The ASoGM is determined that these people will not be used for exploitative purposes, and raises the price to $175,000 per person, for a total of $17.5 trillion dollars.

OOC: I'd like to point out, that if you two are both so intent on getting the entirety off the units, regardless of price, Emporer Pudu will win. GM, you're currently pledging 1/5 of your Government Budget, or in other words, more money than you budget for anything else in your nation. Pudu is currently only pledging about 1/10 of his budget.

Mind you, I'm not opposed to this bidding war. I can't believe no-one has take actual action against me yet...

OOC: I'd like to point out, that if you two are both so intent on getting the entirety off the units, regardless of price, Emporer Pudu will win. GM, you're currently pledging 1/5 of your Government Budget, or in other words, more money than you budget for anything else in your nation. Pudu is currently only pledging about 1/10 of his budget.

Mind you, I'm not opposed to this bidding war. I can't believe no-one has take actual action against me yet...

OOC: I realize the financial mountain I'm up against. If I can't win the freedom of the people though, I intend to drive the price up so high that the people won't go to waste being sold off as slaves to other nations. :D

I can't believe no-one has take actual action against me yet...

OOC: none of us are that brazenly stupid to take you on when a) you're an '03 nation and b) we don't know how many giant allies you may have hiding in the wings. :D

OOC: none of us are that brazenly stupid to take you on when a) you're an '03 nation and b) we don't know how many giant allies you may have hiding in the wings. :D

OOC: QFT. I know that's the reason I haven't done anything militarily.

OOC: QFT. I know that's the reason I haven't done anything militarily.

The Dominion is now offering two-hundred thousand Universal Standard Dollars for each unit, for a complete and totaled cost of twenty trillion (20,000,000,000,000) Universal Standard Dollars.

Good day,
Mr. White.

The ASoGM wonders exactly when the auction is due to close, as they may not be able to place a bid for a little while.

OOC: I see what you mean, but to be honest the whole reason I'm doing this is to provoke someone into attacking my government (the one that condones selling underclasses and being entirely separatist). I'm currently in the early stages of a national revolution, but the partisan fighters can't do the whole job alone, hence I'm doing this to perhaps get someone to help them out, covertly of course...

A Notice to All Interested Parties

The Nation of Pablicosta would like it to be known that the auction for 100 million human units is scheduled to close at midnight on January 14th, in 33 hours time.

The Chancellor would also like to make it known that due to recent threats, security at the 2 Accommodation Facilities has been increased two fold to ensure the security of the units until after the sale is complete.

OOC: I see what you mean, but to be honest the whole reason I'm doing this is to provoke someone into attacking my government (the one that condones selling underclasses and being entirely separatist). I'm currently in the early stages of a national revolution, but the partisan fighters can't do the whole job alone, hence I'm doing this to perhaps get someone to help them out, covertly of course...

A Notice to All Interested Parties

The Nation of Pablicosta would like it to be known that the auction for 100 million human units is scheduled to close at midnight on January 4th, in 33 hours time.

The Chancellor would also like to make it known that due to recent threats, security at the 2 Accommodation Facilities has been increased two fold to ensure the security of the units until after the sale is complete.

OOC: January 4th? It's currently the 13th. Or did you mean the 14th?

OOC: Sure did, typo...

"...Uh.

Do you guys realize that each of these underclass humans are now worth more than the entire value of my HOUSE?!

We do not believe in slavery, and condemn it strongly. We also have a UN-based embargo on all your factories, because you are immoral. We also considering the fact that if other nations gain these Subhumans and treat them wrongly, we believe that we must act to save those slaves.

We believe that the way to liberate slaves is to buy them from other countries, then free them in our own nation. These newly freed people will be allowed to live in our country freely and be able to do as they will. By doing nothing to stop these slaves from being sold, we are doing a disservice.

On behalf of the SilentScope003 Anti-Slavery Commando Forces, I'll put in a bid of $250,000 for each Slave. $25,000,000,000,000. 25 trillion dollars. Coming straight from Social Welfare. Because saving civilians from other countries is far more important than saving our own civilans."
---Dr. Bob

OOC: none of us are that brazenly stupid to take you on when a) you're an '03 nation and b) we don't know how many giant allies you may have hiding in the wings. :D

(OCC: Sure, which of course doesn't mean a trade embargo against Pablicosta cannot be done, in fact I've ICly suggested it in the "Theeb Accords" thread. Now this "underclass" thing seems too familiar[/Godwins Law])

Message from the Lone Alliance

In light of this vile sale by Pablicosta, noting how Emporer Pudu appears to plan to exploit these already exploited people, The Lone Alliance announces that they will condemn both Pablicosta and Emporer Pudu, pledge full sanctions against any and all products from said nations, and promises a 3 trillion donation to Gun Manufacturers.

This pushes it to 20.5 Trillion.

Furthermore, members of both nations that inhabit our country will be arrested and imprisoned.

-Lone Alliance Ministry of International Equality.

OOC: If GM, TSS, and myself allied we would have a slight majority over you, they both had all-consuming economies, together we have a 10.459 Billion population, and my defense budget alone is bigger than your's.

Despite the fact that the Holy Republic of the Stone Temple is a new nation on the international stage, we are disgusted at Pablicosta’s barbaric practice of slavery and forcing people, by birth, to be of a lower class than other people. Out of the Stone Temple Foreign Ministry’s budget, the Holy Republic of the Stone Temple wishes to donate 850 billion United States dollars to the cause of the Gun Manufacturers. If it is not a burden to the Gun Manufacturers, we would wish for them, if and when they receive the people, if a section of people more or less proportional to the cost we paid for the people could be repatriated to the Holy Republic, then that would be pleasing.

Signed,
Foreign Minister Sarah Fox


Slavery I see! This is an outrage to all of humanity to not only sell human beings, but to classify them, by their birth to a life of doom and working in the worst off conditions with no chance for help or safety. I wish to donate two trillion United States dollars out of my personal account to the cost of the generous Gun Manufacturers to pay for the cost of freeing these poor beings.

High Priest of the Stone Temple
Supreme Leader of the Holy Republic of the Stone Temple

Micah Flat

Secret IC: A message was dispatched to the nations of Pan-Arab Barronia, Third Spanish States, The Lone Alliance, The Stone Temple, and SilentScope Embassy, in regards to pooling money to ensure that the people being auctioned off would be spared the fate of going to one of the nations that would exploit them. The nations that would be interested in such an endeavor could contact the Minister of Foreign Affairs to arrange the matter.

OOC: ho,ho,ho,ho,ho,ho... Pudu you underestimated us.

Secret IC:
A message response is sent to the Minister of Foreign Affairs...
We cannot allow either nation to have these people, Pudu carries many dark secrets and we believe this isn't the first time they have taken people as 'units'. We care not if they stay in your nation or go to others, they just cannot remain in the hands of madmen. If we can gain the support of all the other previous buyers we may be able to save them without destroying our economies.

Official Statement of the Free Republic of Kahanistan

The Government of Kahanistan cannot stand by while people are treated as slaves or human meat for cannibal savages and racist capitalists.

Therefore, we are contributing a third of our Social Welfare, Social Equality, and Commerce budgets to the freedom of however many people can be saved from this barbarous fate and will grant asylum to any of these people who arrive at our shores.

While this is a meagre contribution, it is all our government can do for these people.

Signed,
Dragomir Karovic,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Official Statement of the Free Republic of Kahanistan

The Government of Kahanistan cannot stand by while people are treated as slaves or human meat for cannibal savages and racist capitalists.

Therefore, we are contributing a third of our Social Welfare, Social Equality, and Commerce budgets to the freedom of however many people can be saved from this barbarous fate and will grant asylum to any of these people who arrive at our shores.

While this is a meagre contribution, it is all our government can do for these people.

Signed,
Dragomir Karovic,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

A Statement Similiar to This in Jufonce

Nor can we allow these people to be treated like this. Because we can't take them in to our country, due to it being in a civil war and some other reasons. However we are willing to pay one-hundred million bloodths (100,000,000 Pablicostan Dollars) for however many people it will buy, they will then be shipped to any country that grants good care and free lifes to the new citizens.

King Chucky,
The Royal Family,
Jufonce

Defense minister: Prepare for a message from the venerable Dashie Camel, a proven god amongst men.

I, Dashie Camel, am interesting in buying a few of these working men. I offer you 100 million gold in exchange for 500,000 of these men to work in our fearsome and growing arms manufacturing industry. Can the people of Dashie count of these transaction?

Defense minister: The great one has spoken. We conclude this meeting.

Secret IC:

Encryption Key: Polymorphic 20480 bits(High Priority)
From: Third Spanish States Diplonet
To: The Lone Alliance and all others who genuinely seek to help the oppressed
Subject: Refusal to support payment of Pablicosta Ransom

We would like to remind you all that by buying such people you are boosting Pablicosta economy, and thus giving them superior capability to oppress even more people and may acquire then enough daringness to attempt a major war for conquest. We ask you to refuse such payments as in the long term they will bring even more misery to much more people than only 100 thousands. From an utilitarian long-term view, helping those will make things worser for a much larger number of others. We request you to withdraw your offers and propose a complete embargo against both Pablicosta and Pudu by all nations which are against such abominable crimes against humanity.

Secret IC:

Encryption Key: Polymorphic 20480 bits(High Priority)
From: Third Spanish States Diplonet
To: The Lone Alliance and all others who genuinely seek to help the oppressed
Subject: Refusal to support payment of Pablicosta Ransom

We would like to remind you all that by buying such people you are boosting Pablicosta economy, and thus giving them superior capability to oppress even more people and may acquire then enough daringness to attempt a major war for conquest. We ask you to refuse such payments as in the long term they will bring even more misery to much more people than only 100 thousands. From an utilitarian long-term view, helping those will make things worser for a much larger number of others. We request you to withdraw your offers and propose a complete embargo against both Pablicosta and Pudu by all nations which are against such abominable crimes against humanity.

Official Statement of the Free Republic of Kahanistan
Encryption Code Omega-5-Tau-8-Omicron

These are one hundred million people you speak of, and the alternatives to paying, as much as it sickens us, are to invade, and not only violate our treaty with Praetonia but probably be annexed in our weakened condition, or allow millions of people to be ground up and fed to the other oppressed proletarian masses of that degenerate country.

Offer me an alternative to giving these savages money to fund their slaver operation and I'll listen. Otherwise, I cannot in good conscience turn my back on those I am in position to help.

Signed,
Nadia Sklenova,
President of Kahanistan

-OOC-
How kosher would a form of payment from a questionable source be? Say, a modern tech nation offering gold given from a non-modern tech source? I could throw support behind another of the "bad guys" in a more subtle way, but just curious. There'd be no MT-FT contact aside from delivery and statement of intent.

Office of the Praetor of Vetalia

The Vetalian government is somewhat concerned at this inefficient bickering over these human resources, as it denies us from reaping the benefits of low cost human labor for our various domestic needs.

This is particularly concerning due to the fact that our two most important research agencies, the public Vetalian Advanced Research Projects Agency and the privately owned Cogent Laboratories, are facing significant increases in costs stimulated by rapid growth in the demand for research patients. Given the sheer contributions to society that our foremost technological benefactors have already made, as well as their groundbreaking work in human enhancement that will promise untold riches and untold opportunity for all who partake, it is unconscionable that you would hold up vital supplies of potential test subjects for such trivial matters.

Our country needs these people, and we are willing to pay considerable amounts to get them. For the good of all of us, it is imperative that these issues be resolved or else we risk delaying the future, a truly catastrophic cost. There is no need to worry about the ethics of this research as it is already within acceptable parameters for the kind of work these firms our doing, making it nothing more than a matter of sourcing guest labor for what is truly a noble cause.

I ask you all to reconsider your stances on the matter and ask yourself if it is worth risking conflict in the name of a moral stance that fails to take in to account the significant externalities.

Regards,
Praetor Isodor Merinov

Secret IC:

Encryption Key: Polymorphic 20480 bits(High Priority)
From: Third Spanish States Diplonet
To: The Lone Alliance and all others who genuinely seek to help the oppressed
Subject: Refusal to support payment of Pablicosta Ransom

We would like to remind you all that by buying such people you are boosting Pablicosta economy, and thus giving them superior capability to oppress even more people and may acquire then enough daringness to attempt a major war for conquest. We ask you to refuse such payments as in the long term they will bring even more misery to much more people than only 100 thousands. From an utilitarian long-term view, helping those will make things worser for a much larger number of others. We request you to withdraw your offers and propose a complete embargo against both Pablicosta and Pudu by all nations which are against such abominable crimes against humanity.

Secret IC Response:
We plan on paying in TLA Export Credits, a new currency which matches the average international dollar. However... As soon as the slaves leave the nation... The discovery of massive amounts of counterfit Export Credits will force us to drop it. It's a pity but we all have to suffer.

Furthermore if such things are impossible we set up plans to deploy a blockade when the slave ships depart, we have also contracted out someone to liberate the ships at an opportune time.

(OOC: AKA, I'm either:
A: Paying you in the equivilant of Conferderate money.
or
B: Finding some way of stealing those slave ships from you.

OOC: SilentScope Embassy, you have nowhere near that much money. But the rest of you... *shakes fist*

I'll get to you...

(OOC: Emporer Pudu, tiny little note.

I posted with my puppet, SilentScope Embassy, my UN Puppet. My real nation, SilentScope003, however, does have that money, though. So, yeah, I do have the money to buy the slaves.

Even though it doesn't really matter. Shame. I really wanted to go and have 100 million "genetically-modified drooling morons" run through my country messing things up.)

SECRET IC:

Sure! Just let pool our money together! The higher we can bid, the better!

To Emporer Pudu,

We could offer you $20,000,000,000 in support of your bid for the people. We hope this will assist you in your purchase of these people.

Signed,
Jimmy James

The Dominion of Emperor Pudu will again raise its bid, to two-hundred and seventy-five trillion (275,000) Universal Standard Dollars, rasing the total bid to 27.5 trillion dollars.

Good day,
Mr. White.

The Bathist Conglomerate always understands the need for cheap labor. Therefore, with an assurance of a fifty-fifty split by Emporer Pudu, The Conglomerate pledges exactly 27.5 trillion leafs. [The national currency standing at 1.7 international dollars]

The bid stands at 74.25 trillion USDs.

The ASoGM cannot stand as this human rights abuse allowed to continue. Many of the regional Ministers have been called by their constituents supporting helping these people, and the House Ministry has passed an emergency resolution to raise the money. The ASoGM will raise the bid to $75 trillion dollars.

Secret IC: A message was dispatched to the nations of Pan-Arab Barronia, Third Spanish States, The Lone Alliance, The Stone Temple, and SilentScope003 to ask that if they were still interested in helping these people, they would need to act quickly, as the ASoGM had already raised the bid to $75 trillion. While the ASoGM does have the money to cover it, it would seriously affect the ASoGM's economy for the year, so the ASoGM appreciates any help that can be given.

Secret IC: A message was dispatched to the nations of Pan-Arab Barronia, Third Spanish States, The Lone Alliance, The Stone Temple, and SilentScope003 to ask that if they were still interested in helping these people, they would need to act quickly, as the ASoGM had already raised the bid to $75 trillion. While the ASoGM does have the money to cover it, it would seriously affect the ASoGM's economy for the year, so the ASoGM appreciates any help that can be given.

Secret IC Reply: Have you ever thought on how many atrocities could be funded with 75 trillions and that you are unintentionally raising the value of this "auction" and thus giving Pablicosta more and more wealth? Are those 100 millions of human lives more important than the many billions that could be butchered with the economic boost given by such amount of wealth? The truth is that this good-willed intervention will in the long term, make Pablicosta more powerful and capable of killing and oppressing much larger quantities of people than as of now.

OOC: GM, check your telegrams.

Secret IC Reply: Have you ever thought on how many atrocities could be funded with 75 trillions and that you are unintentionally raising the value of this "auction" and thus giving Pablicosta more and more wealth? Are those 100 millions of human lives more important than the many billions that could be butchered with the economic boost given by such amount of wealth? The truth is that this good-willed intervention will in the long term, make Pablicosta more powerful and capable of killing and oppressing much larger quantities of people than as of now.

OOC: GM, check your telegrams.

Secret IC reply: So we should sacrifice the welfare of 100 million people that haven't been given a fair chance in life? I realize that giving a nation that has no regard for civil rights $75 trillion isn't the greatest idea, but the alternative is them being made into food, or being sold into slavery to other nations. The ASoGM cannot idly sit by and watch as 100 million people are abused in such a way.

OOC: No telegram yet.

Secret IC reply: So we should sacrifice the welfare of 100 million people that haven't been given a fair chance in life? I realize that giving a nation that has no regard for civil rights $75 trillion isn't the greatest idea, but the alternative is them being made into food, or being sold into slavery to other nations. The ASoGM cannot idly sit by and watch as 100 million people are abused in such a way.

OOC: No telegram yet.

OOC: Oops, sorry. I meant this for The Lone Alliance I sent a IC TG to related to this thread. Sadly I didn't make a copy of it.

"About the rumors of the blockade. We think that is a swiffy idea. If you decide to come through with it, we will back you up one-hundred percent. We need to free these slaves and paying for them isn't helping. We may need other countries for this.

Signed,
King Chucky,
The Royal Family,
Jufonce

Edit: Out of Character: This was meant to whoever posted an idea about a blockade, just so it doesn't confuse anyone...

"About the rumors of the blockade. We think that is a swiffy idea. If you decide to come through with it, we will back you up one-hundred percent. We need to free these slaves and paying for them isn't helping. We may need other countries for this.

Signed,
King Chucky,
The Royal Family,
Jufonce

Edit: Out of Character: This was meant to whoever posted an idea about a blockade, just so it doesn't confuse anyone...


OOC: So, your post is Secret IC then?

OOC: So, your post is Secret IC then?

Out of Character: No, I guess it is a statement.

Official Statement of the Federal Republic of Hamilay

The Republic finds the proceedings surrounding the sale of these humans alarming. Whilst we condemn the sale of people in the strongest terms, and further protest the conditions which have and are to be inflicted on these innocents by Pablicosta, the exorbitantly large sum on the table for these people is disturbing.

We recognise that the coalition of nations banding together to offer this sum out of their own pockets towards saving these people from oppression is acting with the best of intentions, and their committment to human rights is laudable. However, Hamilay questions the message providing the vast sum of $75 trillion dollars to a nation which sells its own people will send, not to mention the nefarious purposes this money will be used for. The real winners out of all this mess are the Pablicostan government, who are in effect being rewarded enormously for their cruelty. If anything, this measure will only encourage other states to abuse and subsequently sell 'undesirable' sectors of society.

Thus, Hamilay is also against the payment of money to Pablicosta for their people. It is regrettable, but sometimes sacrifices must be made for the greater good, and we are strongly convinced that preventing rogue nations from attaining enormous sums of money is a significantly greater good.

Through a series of carefully constructed financial instruments, Vetalian financial companies began to offer and accumulate funds for the sole purpose of turning the conflict over this "human resources" sale in to a profitable enterprise. The value of the shipment was split in to contracts along with other financial instruments related to either the success or the failure of the entire process, with competitive bidding initiated shortly after the bids rose to a staggering $75 trillion, an amount equal to 14% of the Vetalian GDP, although only a fraction of the entire Vetalian financial market, which was valued in the tens of quadrillions.

Any government interested could borrow from these markets to finance its own side of the equation, although it would come at the cost of massive indebtedness to the Vetalian financiers, all of whom were interested solely in turning a profit on this wonderfully well-timed trade. Ideally, it would be concluded before year's end, boosting cash flow and revenue for the firms involved.

All the Vetalians would do is wait to see what each nation involved would do...the government would not be happy if the shipments were rescued, but the financiers watching greedily from their palace-skyscrapers in Vetalia City could not care less.

Hamilay: I am exteremly disgusted in your belief that a nation who has done something wrong, selling humans, will do other things wrong, and that therefore, we should not deal with them.

I believe in redempetion. I believe in mercy. I believe that other than selling humans, the country has done NOTHING ELSE WRONG.

The UN has classifed this nation as a "Scandinavian Liberal Paradise". Their political freedoms are limited, but their Civil Freedoms are "Superb". They are run by a democracy, they ruled by the people. While we may disagree with some of their beliefs, the fact remains that this nation is a lot more humane that most other countries in the world.

That still doesn't mean we'll trade with them though.
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SECRET IC to GM:
We will promise to cover 25 trillion dollars of your bid, GM, but, erm, no more. Honestly? Each 'undesirable' is now worth $750,000!!! That's absurd! And, frankly, I'm starting to believe that there may in fact be 0 Undersiables, and the whole thing is just a scam.

Official Reply to SilentScope
Federal Republic of Hamilay, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade

With due respect, it is clear that you have not viewed the details of the Pablicostan communique clearly. Pablicosta has most certainly done a rather large number of things wrong other than selling humans. We have pointed out the sections relevant to our opinion of the matter for your convenience;

The unworthy underclass of Pablicosta, though human in form and biology are vastly different from all other peoples of our land, they are not true Pablicostans. It is with this in mind that they have been allowed to live in separated colonies in the borders of Pablicosta for the last 7 years, where they have been given roles suitable to their skills. These roles have included mine field cleaning device, medical trialists, live military firing range 'assistants' and Nuclear Reactor Cleaners.

We shall immediately note that Pablicosta practices inhumane policies of discrimination along arbitrary, though unspecified, lines, places these oppressed peoples into blatantly unsafe jobs, for obvious reasons, and segregates them into camps.

In the event that a sale cannot be agreed within 2 weeks the Nation of Pablicosta will use the units to supply the under-performing Minced Meat & Animal Foods Industry in Pablicosta, though this option is undesirable due to the logistical costs involved.

Pablicosta does appear to be comfortable with the option of mincing undesirable members of society. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is perhaps wondering if SilentScope wishes to reconsider its position that Pablicosta is 'more humane than most other countries in the world'.

We also find your stated position on international relations with immoral states to be bizarre, to say the least. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that a nation which is happy to sell humans, amongst other things, will commit further atrocities. It is also perfectly reasonable to discourage continuing relations, not to mention the payments of enormous sums of money, with or to said nations. We would be curious to hear your policy towards the accepted practice of, for example, trade embargoes.

The Hon. R. J. Fletcher
Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade
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Hamilay: I am exteremly disgusted in your belief that a nation who has done something wrong, selling humans, will do other things wrong, and that therefore, we should not deal with them.

I believe in redempetion. I believe in mercy. I believe that other than selling humans, the country has done NOTHING ELSE WRONG.

The UN has classifed this nation as a "Scandinavian Liberal Paradise". Their political freedoms are limited, but their Civil Freedoms are "Superb". They are run by a democracy, they ruled by the people. While we may disagree with some of their beliefs, the fact remains that this nation is a lot more humane that most other countries in the world.

That still doesn't mean we'll trade with them though.
****
SECRET IC to GM:
We will promise to cover 25 trillion dollars of your bid, GM, but, erm, no more. Honestly? Each 'undesirable' is now worth $750,000!!! That's absurd! And, frankly, I'm starting to believe that there may in fact be 0 Undersiables, and the whole thing is just a scam.

Secret IC reply: We thank you for your financial help in covering this transaction. Whether these people are Undesirables or not, they are still being sold like cattle, so they need to be rescued before they are abused or exploited further. Assuming that we have won the auction, and I do believe that we have, these people will be given opportunities in the ASoGM, or be allowed to emmigrate to another nation of their choosing.

Official Statement of the Federal Republic of Hamilay

The Republic finds the proceedings surrounding the sale of these humans alarming. Whilst we condemn the sale of people in the strongest terms, and further protest the conditions which have and are to be inflicted on these innocents by Pablicosta, the exorbitantly large sum on the table for these people is disturbing.

We recognise that the coalition of nations banding together to offer this sum out of their own pockets towards saving these people from oppression is acting with the best of intentions, and their committment to human rights is laudable. However, Hamilay questions the message providing the vast sum of $75 trillion dollars to a nation which sells its own people will send, not to mention the nefarious purposes this money will be used for. The real winners out of all this mess are the Pablicostan government, who are in effect being rewarded enormously for their cruelty. If anything, this measure will only encourage other states to abuse and subsequently sell 'undesirable' sectors of society.

Thus, Hamilay is also against the payment of money to Pablicosta for their people. It is regrettable, but sometimes sacrifices must be made for the greater good, and we are strongly convinced that preventing rogue nations from attaining enormous sums of money is a significantly greater good.

Priority: High (10240 bits polymorphic encryption)
Private Official Statement of Third Spanish States Diplomatic Networks to the Republic of Hamilay, Kahanistan, Gun Manufacturers, Pan-Arab Barronia, The Lone Alliance, The Stone Temple and SilentScope003.
Subject: "Helping" the "Underclass" and Boosting Pablicosta's Economy: Good intentions, bad consequences.

First, we shall be very frank regarding our stance on this subject.

Due to similar Reasons to those of Hamilay, already explained privately to the nation of Gun Manufacturers, we refuse to give support to a fund that will help the nation of Pablicosta to build up their military, death camps, torture chambers and whatever horrible monstrousities they commit in their nation, as we believe that those deranged enough to kill humans for their flesh based in concepts of "Ubermensch" and "Untermensch" cannot be trusted with 75 trillions, which will give them the capability of oppressing these people in a much larger scale, and thus will contribute to their own suffering as a people instead of helping them. The concepts of mercy and "rehabilitation" have no place in International Politics regarding such types of nations, as things are not as black and white as they appear to be in this situation. Thus we are entirely in support of Hamilay stance regarding these unfortunate events.

Even though others less scrupulous parties would not ignore this auction of human beings, the fact remains that your interventions are involuntary Trojan horses given to their victims as a whole people, as they have already raised the value and stakes of this auction much beyond the quantity that would be settled upon otherwise if only those unscrupulous nations participated, as neither of them would be fool to purchase cheap labor force for a so high value if you did not interfere in this commercial "operation" to challenge them. Therefore even though your intentions might be good, the results of your actions already brought negative consequences and only worsened things for the future generations of this "underclass". We ask you to stop this before it raise even more the wealth the Pablicosta shall gain from it to fund much larger forms of oppression and even aggressive military invasions, which considering the crimes against humanity they have no scruples on doing, aren't a far-fetched possibility.

Finally, we would like to finally resort to some historical data to try to point you the potential implications of these actions for the future, not only of those oppressed people, but of your own safety as sovereign nations:
This fund being raised to pay Pablicosta is 75 times larger than the estimated cost of the entire military operations and economic losses of the Second World War*, which in turn means that it would allow Pablicosta to fund a military roughly 75 times more powerful than all the existing forces in that historic conflict. And honestly, this makes as much sense as giving nuclear intercontinental ballistic missiles to a nation which endorses slavery in exchange of the freedom of their slaves. We hope this comparison will help you all to understand what is at stake here.

(OOC Note: *Replace with similarly large NSEarth war if your nation, unlike mine, hasn't any or simply doesn't recognize pre-1950s RL Earth background history)

Secret IC:

The Lone Alliance Message to: Jufonce, Third Spanish States, the Republic of Hamilay, Kahanistan, Gun Manufacturers, Pan-Arab Barronia, The Stone Temple and SilentScope003.

Money will not do this anymore, if they will not listen to reason then we must FORCE them to release the slaves, if this means war like actions so be it, this cannot continue and this nation does not deserve that amount of money. We must act and act soon.

Secret IC:

The Lone Alliance Message to: Jufonce, Third Spanish States, the Republic of Hamilay, Kahanistan, Gun Manufacturers, Pan-Arab Barronia, The Stone Temple and SilentScope003.

Money will not do this anymore, if they will not listen to reason then we must FORCE them to release the slaves, if this means war like actions so be it, this cannot continue and this nation does not deserve that amount of money. We must act and act soon.

Secret IC: To the nations of Hamilay, Third Spanish States, and The Lone Alliance, what should be the next move then? The auction has ended, and according to the information I have, I was the top bid. Do you think I should retract my bid? To do so would not only guarantee that these people be sent to a life of more oppression and abuse, it would probably provoke military action against me by Pablicosta, and maybe some of the other bidders. This is not something that I wish, as the nation of Pablicosta is much larger than the ASoGM.

Secret IC: To the nations of Hamilay, Third Spanish States, and The Lone Alliance, what should be the next move then? The auction has ended, and according to the information I have, I was the top bid. Do you think I should retract my bid? To do so would not only guarantee that these people be sent to a life of more oppression and abuse, it would probably provoke military action against me by Pablicosta, and maybe some of the other bidders. This is not something that I wish, as the nation of Pablicosta is much larger than the ASoGM.

Secret IC:
Response:
By doing this they proved that they can manipulate us, what's to stop them from getting 100,000 more slaves and doing the same thing over and over again? Paying them will not end the slavery, they will simply get more and do it all over again. And now that slave owning nations know that people will pay any price, we have opened a way for any dispotic backwards nation to gain money, by holding slaves 'hostage' in bidding them. All we know is that giving them the money is rewarding them for slavery. The amount of money you will have given them is enough to invade the both of us without cost.

-Lone Alliance Council of 20-
*Ring* *Click*
"What?"
"Twenty Seven F-117s have just been put on high alert, by order of the Prime Minister."

Secret IC:

"To Hamilay and TLA: We have received your message.

Yes, we understand their threats. Yes, we understand how they mistreast the 'undesirables', and that they threaten to kill them, we condemn them for that. But what about elections? What about the fact that the majority may actually want this? What about the fact that they are actually selling them rather than just grinding them into the dust? They actually TOLD US this was going to happen. That, that is far greater than anything else that happens.

That's the thing. If they were any other tinpot dictator, hah, you think I'd even comment on this intervention. Instead, instead they are doing it this way, selling the slaves rather than grinding them. And checking the stats reveal that they are not even dictators at all, instead, they are rather liberal. The people may in fact have bad morals, but the people do rule...

This is not a Trojan Horse, this is not a "let go and give them money so they spend it to do more human violations", it's an auction to sell off people that they NO LONGER WANT. Now that they have sold off all their people, this last blemish is finally, finally gone, and maybe, they might rehabiliate themselves and become like us.

TLA, you know something? While you 'human right fighters' go and scream and vent, GM and I actually TRIED to save these people. And, we have. Now, you are going to basically threaten to blow up an entire nation of 7 billion people, and destroy a Scavandian Liberal Paradise...just because you think this sale is 'inhumane'?

Ever realized how expensive war is? Ever realized that you are going against a nation that is rather democratic? You aren't going to get much support for this intervention, and I am not going to just stand by and watch as you go and kill off, what, millions? We are for defending the rights of humans. We are against mass massacres.

TLA, if you go through with this military invasion, we will respond by sending in a defense force of 500 Police Officers to protect the "undesirables" as they get transported to freedom. If you cause them to be killed, consider all ties with us to be cut, including trade, social, and economic. At least we can deal with Pablicosta. We cannot deal with you."

Point By Point response:
Secret IC:

"To Hamilay and TLA: We have received your message.

Yes, we understand their threats. Yes, we understand how they mistreast the 'undesirables', and that they threaten to kill them, we condemn them for that. But what about elections? What about the fact that the majority may actually want this?
Tyranny by Marjority is Freedom? Forced slavery is a 'free' nation? And you reward them with 75 Trillion. I bet they're just frowning up a storm from your 'condemnation'

What about the fact that they are actually selling them rather than just grinding them into the dust? They actually TOLD US this was going to happen. That, that is far greater than anything else that happens.
They told us so they could make a profit off of them, not because they cared, they would sell it to a nation that would grind them into dust, they just don't care. Much more diabolical than just grinding them.

That's the thing. If they were any other tinpot dictator, hah, you think I'd even comment on this intervention. Instead, instead they are doing it this way, selling the slaves rather than grinding them. And checking the stats reveal that they are not even dictators at all, instead, they are rather liberal. The people may in fact have bad morals, but the people do rule...
I've heard dictatorships that have gone under the classification of Democracies due to them fooling UN inspectors.

(OOC:You can't really go by that, I knew a nation that was supposed to be a dictatorship but it was Centrist on the stats.)

This is not a Trojan Horse, this is not a "let go and give them money so they spend it to do more human violations", it's an auction to sell off people that they NO LONGER WANT. Now that they have sold off all their people, this last blemish is finally, finally gone, and maybe, they might rehabiliate themselves and become like us.
Histroy of things such as this leaves us with only doubt to this.


TLA, you know something? While you 'human right fighters' go and scream and vent, GM and I actually TRIED to save these people. And, we have.
And have greatly rewarded them for selling the slaves, I'm sure everyone's happy and no one is going to suffer for it. I hope your people will the gaping hole in that budget that will lead to suffering and hardship in your nation.

Now, you are going to basically threaten to blow up an entire nation of 7 billion people, and destroy a Scavandian Liberal Paradise...just because you think this sale is 'inhumane'? We have no idea where you have gotten such a foolish idea, we demand a retraction and an apology.


Ever realized how expensive war is?
Ever realize how expensive 75 TRILLION is?
Ever realized that you are going against a nation that is rather democratic?
Except for the second class citizens and the policy of grinding said people up for food.

You aren't going to get much support for this intervention, and I am not going to just stand by and watch as you go and kill off, what, millions? We are for defending the rights of humans. We are against mass massacres. Tell that to your people when they ask why your government is missing funds.

TLA, if you go through with this military invasion, we will respond by sending in a defense force of 500 Police Officers to protect the "undesirables" as they get transported to freedom. We have no plans for an invasion and we are insulted if you believe that.

If you cause them to be killed, consider all ties with us to be cut, including trade, social, and economic. At least we can deal with Pablicosta.
We cannot deal with you." As if we want to deal with someone who deals with Pablicosta.
-Ministry of Dealing with Evil and\or Stupid nations.

OOC: Firstly my stuff in my country is SECRET IC. Not even you can hear it.
Secondly, I'm not planning an invasion, and you have no evidence to support that either. Right now I'm pushing for a large scale Embargo as well as a possible blockade. The planes are a little insurance against them selling to someone else.

Secret IC:
The Lone Alliance="We are not going to reply to your statements. They only confirm what we fear.

We however will point out that we have also dealt with nations such as these, and that we have done so without brazenly resorting to violent threats.

And no we won't retract. This is secret IC, remember? Unless you wish to alert the whole world of what you are doing, right?"

(OOC:You can't really go by that, I knew a nation that was supposed to be a dictatorship but it was Centrist on the stats.)

(OOC: If you are going to rely on economic stats to determine how much money a nation has, you gotta rely on the national stats too. After all, how else would a nation has a good economy? High Economic Freedoms, as well as OTHER THINGS. If you use a sophisicated cacluator to determine how much military and how much morale a nation has, you need to look at the Stats. Stats therefore affects RP.

Unless, of course, the actual nation itself doesn't want to use the Stats. But the guy hasn't posted, so I'm better off relying on the Stats.)

OOC: Firstly my stuff in my country is SECRET IC. Not even you can hear it.
Secondly, I'm not planning an invasion, and you have no evidence to support that either. Right now I'm pushing for a large scale Embargo as well as a possible blockade. The planes are a little insurance against them selling to someone else.

OOC: Yes I do.

Money will not do this anymore, if they will not listen to reason then we must FORCE them to release the slaves, if this means war like actions so be it, this cannot continue and this nation does not deserve that amount of money. We must act and act soon.

You sent that message straight to me.

You said you were going to do war. Even without that little statement about you preparing aerial bombardment, my nation CAN read between the lines and assume you want to intervene ("war like actions"="war"). Only now you implied OOCly that you 'merely' wanted a blockade, but my nation isn't going to assume that ICly, it's going to assume you are going to intervene, because that is the only logical assumption my nation can make.

[[OOC to ALL: This is getting really, really tiring.

I made that bid as a joke, expecting to be outbidded by more richer nations.

I didn't realize that GM was doing it, and end up running with it, ending up leading up to this diplomatic conflict between "Nations Wanting To Defend Imaginary People". And I can't back down because that would break character.

Please, let this 'situation' end. Or at least provide an escape clause for me to run. The last thing I want to take part in is a dogpile.]]

Pudite Galation Archipelago Janissary Processing Facility Alpha, Parade Grounds
The whole complex was still, nothing moved. In the center of the vast parade ground at the center, a single camera was positioned on a tripod, looking south over the entire open expanse. Forming the boundaries of the expanse, there was a great white colonnade, encircling the cobblestone field.

A man walked out from beneath the colonnade, and hit a button on the camera. He then stepped to the front of the camera, and spoke,

"I am Mr. White, foreign affairs officer for the Dominion of my Emperor, Pudu. The moralist, ignorant, wasteful bastards of the consortium led by the nation calling themselves 'Gun Manufacturers' have recently purchased from beneath the Emperor, human units to the amount of one-hundred million."

White stood erect, speaking in a stable monotone, his long white greatcoat barely moving in the still air, almost as a statue, "You say you oppose the giving of slaves to nations - such as my own. You think you have saved one-hundred million people?"

He stepped out of sight. "Witness the resources of the Dominion..."

At that, a long column of Grondians - citizens of a nation recently annexed into the Dominion - was led by a single Imperial Janissary, wearing a long white coat similar to his commander, into the full view of the camera.

There were perhaps one-thousand people here, forming into orderly ranks, perfectly still. Then, a moment later, a company of soldiers all bearing the white uniform of the Janissary corps moved into the courtyard. These were one-hundred men, backs to the camera, bearing their assault rifles and little else.

A voice from behind the camera spoke, "Community, Conformity, Stability."

And then the company opened fire. One-hundred rifles burst into fully-automatic fire, bullets flying indiscriminately into the crowd, and peppering the wall behind. After a few seconds, they stopped, and leisurely began to reload their weapons.

The Grondians did not move. Holding ranks even as their comrades were annihilated. After reloading, the soldiers finished off the prisoners. The company then formed back into marching order, and calmly left the courtyard.

Mr. White then stepped back into view, the beautiful colonnade behind now marred with bullets and blood. The ground, painted red with the gore of one-thousand foreigners.

"You have witnessed the death of one-thousand humans. Much like those you sought to save. There are twenty-three like compounds here. Every day, for the next year, this exercise will be undertaken again - ten times - per day. You will save your one-hundred million, and we will dispose of ours. The bill is even."

Mr. White then returned to the rear of the camera, and cut the video. Then, removing the chip, he passed it off to an aide, even while the courtyard was being cleared for the next one-thousand.

The video was broadcast internationally, and would be followed by eighty-three thousand, nine-hundred and forty-nine more. Such was the price of defiance.

International Broadcast from The Lone Alliance to Emporer Pudu:

-LAN-
The stage showed a podium on a blue background and a person standing behind it. The man was familiar, at least to TLA, as it was Verta, the TLA Prime Minister.
As the lights brightened up he began his speech.

"Greetings people of the international community, this is of course regarding the disgusting display recently shown by the so called nation of Emporer Pudu."
He straightened his notes.
"We expected no less of course from a pathetic immature nation such as them, we were just in fact suprised that they kept their barbaric reprisal from being an action against us, it's just as well I'd hated to have to use my counter options." He paused to breathe.

"But to get straight to the point, The Lone Alliance has set up a policy in response to this." He paused then looked at a sheet of paper on the podium.

"As of today and until repealed, any Puduian citizen found in The Allied States of the Lone Alliance will be arrested and interned for spying, they will then be put through treatement and held for life." He paused and looked at the bottom.

"The bill goes into effect in 15 minutes." He said not even changing expression a bit while looking up. "you have 15 minutes to get all of your spies out of our nation before we capture them."
#END TRANSMISSION#

"You have witnessed the death of one-thousand weak-willed men turned into brainless and lifeless zombies. Much like those you sought to save. There are twenty-three like death camps here. Every day, for the next year, this exercise will be undertaken again - ten times - per day. You will save your one-hundred million, and we will dispose of ours. The bill is even. And as you see by this video, we would love to become a nuclear tests site for the largest and most powerful democratic nations"

This is how the message was perceived in Third Spanish States. Those who put their survival ahead of their freedom had no worth to the eyes of them and were just unfortunate brainless drones and zombies and those people were considered already "dead" as human beings. In their place, they would have done suicide bomb strikes or killed themselves as they would rather die free then live as slaves, another reason why the slaver gangs never tried to capture Third Spanish States citizens. Freedom was like oxygen for them, they couldn't afford and neither would accept to live without it.

Nobody in Third Spanish States cared... they were sure such activities would soon call lots of unwanted and strategically unwise attention to the nation who sent such video...

Except for a bunch of angry militias looking for totalitarianism supporters to kill...

Snip



Amazonian Dominion Communications

Frankly, the Dominion would like to see your nation continue to slaughter its prisoners, and requests that it be shown on international television to provide mid-day entertainment for bored office workers and off-duty barracks tv. Will you just stop at ten million or go for more? Surely you have more bullets and people...as our citizens are regarded as resources. However, public massacre is something that truly does entertain viewers, and public television midday figures would skyrocket with such entertaining prospects.
If willing, we could arrange private contracts with entertainment corporations to continue to sponsor Pudite massacres on a regular basis, potentially with more entertaining methods of slaughter. A fortune could be realized from this, as well as displaying your...ideology.

~Dominion Comms Department

Amazonian Dominion Communications

Frankly, the Dominion would like to see your nation continue to slaughter its prisoners, and requests that it be shown on international television to provide mid-day entertainment for bored office workers and off-duty barracks tv. Will you just stop at ten million or go for more? Surely you have more bullets and people...as our citizens are regarded as resources. However, public massacre is something that truly does entertain viewers, and public television midday figures would skyrocket with such entertaining prospects.
If willing, we could arrange private contracts with entertainment corporations to continue to sponsor Pudite massacres on a regular basis, potentially with more entertaining methods of slaughter. A fortune could be realized from this, as well as displaying your...ideology.

~Dominion Comms Department

OOC: Well, I did say there were 28,950, or whatever, of these videos. If you run just one a day, you'll never need to use re-runs.

WILL BUY for 10 billion
transportation will be provided for

OOC: Well, I did say there were 28,950, or whatever, of these videos. If you run just one a day, you'll never need to use re-runs.

OOC: Yeah, but viewers never want the same thing over and over...they want variety (look at Survivor, for instance). That's part of my "How many ways can you kill 'em" thing. Otherwise, the show would pretty much be all re-runs.

WILL BUY for 10 billion
transportation will be provided for

OOC: Um, you really need to read the thread before you post. You'll see that the bid is into the trillions of dollars, and the time for the auction expired already. I'm just waiting for Pablicosta to post, so I can pay the money and RP the transport of these people to my nation.

Pudite Galation Archipelago Janissary Processing Facility Alpha, Parade Grounds
The whole complex was still, nothing moved. In the center of the vast parade ground at the center, a single camera was positioned on a tripod, looking south over the entire open expanse. Forming the boundaries of the expanse, there was a great white colonnade, encircling the cobblestone field.

A man walked out from beneath the colonnade, and hit a button on the camera. He then stepped to the front of the camera, and spoke,

"I am Mr. White, foreign affairs officer for the Dominion of my Emperor, Pudu. The moralist, ignorant, wasteful bastards of the consortium led by the nation calling themselves 'Gun Manufacturers' have recently purchased from beneath the Emperor, human units to the amount of one-hundred million."

White stood erect, speaking in a stable monotone, his long white greatcoat barely moving in the still air, almost as a statue, "You say you oppose the giving of slaves to nations - such as my own. You think you have saved one-hundred million people?"

He stepped out of sight. "Witness the resources of the Dominion..."

At that, a long column of Grondians - citizens of a nation recently annexed into the Dominion - was led by a single Imperial Janissary, wearing a long white coat similar to his commander, into the full view of the camera.

There were perhaps one-thousand people here, forming into orderly ranks, perfectly still. Then, a moment later, a company of soldiers all bearing the white uniform of the Janissary corps moved into the courtyard. These were one-hundred men, backs to the camera, bearing their assault rifles and little else.

A voice from behind the camera spoke, "Community, Conformity, Stability."

And then the company opened fire. One-hundred rifles burst into fully-automatic fire, bullets flying indiscriminately into the crowd, and peppering the wall behind. After a few seconds, they stopped, and leisurely began to reload their weapons.

The Grondians did not move. Holding ranks even as their comrades were annihilated. After reloading, the soldiers finished off the prisoners. The company then formed back into marching order, and calmly left the courtyard.

Mr. White then stepped back into view, the beautiful colonnade behind now marred with bullets and blood. The ground, painted red with the gore of one-thousand foreigners.

"You have witnessed the death of one-thousand humans. Much like those you sought to save. There are twenty-three like compounds here. Every day, for the next year, this exercise will be undertaken again - ten times - per day. You will save your one-hundred million, and we will dispose of ours. The bill is even."

Mr. White then returned to the rear of the camera, and cut the video. Then, removing the chip, he passed it off to an aide, even while the courtyard was being cleared for the next one-thousand.

The video was broadcast internationally, and would be followed by eighty-three thousand, nine-hundred and forty-nine more. Such was the price of defiance.

Richard Weatherly, President of the ASoGM, has announced that any and all trade opportunities, if they ever existed, between the ASoGM and the nation of Emporer Pudu will cease. The ASoGM bans travel to/from the nation of Emporer Pudu, and all citizens of the nation of Emporer Pudu that are currently in the ASoGM will be expelled from our nation. These measures will be in effect immediately and indefinitely.

OOC: Um, you really need to read the thread before you post. You'll see that the bid is into the trillions of dollars, and the time for the auction expired already. I'm just waiting for Pablicosta to post, so I can pay the money and RP the transport of these people to my nation.

lol...:headbang:

In a private communique sent to the Pudite governmnet:

"We must admit, we find your methods of dealing with this intractable situation quite interesting. Our government, in fact, would be very interested in knowing if it is possible to purchase the corpses for analysis and use in our Central Genebank."

OOC: Sorry I've been away for a couple of days and haven't been able to grab enough time to make a post, though I have been reading the thread.

A Public Message to Gun Manufacturers

The Chancellor would like to issue his personal congratulations to the leaders of Gun Manufacturers on successfully outbidding all other parties for the services of 100 million human units.
The transport convoy is currently being assembled just off the Northern Shore of Pablicosta, including the 10 MegaHull Transporters. Each will transport 1 million units, and will be protected adequately by the Pablicostan Navy.

It is however expected that some ignorant nations will be attempting to blockade against the transport of your units so we will be providing some extra cover during the departure from Pablicosta. Sea Fortress Alpha & Bravo will both be online to deliver powerful and ranged fire from the shore.

We hope this will be enough to ensure security.

Before the first shipment is dispatched we should receive the entire sum owed, in order to ensure our extra efforts are not put to waste.

OOC: Sorry I've been away for a couple of days and haven't been able to grab enough time to make a post, though I have been reading the thread.

A Public Message to Gun Manufacturers

The Chancellor would like to issue his personal congratulations to the leaders of Gun Manufacturers on successfully outbidding all other parties for the services of 100 million human units.
The transport convoy is currently being assembled just off the Northern Shore of Pablicosta, including the 10 MegaHull Transporters. Each will transport 1 million units, and will be protected adequately by the Pablicostan Navy.

It is however expected that some ignorant nations will be attempting to blockade against the transport of your units so we will be providing some extra cover during the departure from Pablicosta. Sea Fortress Alpha & Bravo will both be online to deliver powerful and ranged fire from the shore.

We hope this will be enough to ensure security.

Before the first shipment is dispatched we should receive the entire sum owed, in order to ensure our extra efforts are not put to waste.

The ASoGM is wiring the money now. We will be sending a carrier task force (comprised of 3 carrier battle groups) to provide further security. They will meet your convoy of ships in international waters.


The President, Richard Weatherly issued to orders to the carrier task force, and they left on their mission. An Admiral by the name of Frederick Block would be in charge of the task force. He had 4 planes from each carrier prepped for launch for when they were within range of the Pablicostan convoy. They would fly a CAP around the convoy until it reached ASoGM territorial waters.

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Public statement to pablicosta


As a member of the UFAN and a company supporting certain human rights, we highly disapprove of the actions of the pablicosta.

Offering such an ultimatum, exploiting others' high respect to human life, is effectively holding hostages. These people are innocents you threaten to kill unless paid, which is, by definition, an act of terrorism.

Furthermore, your treatment of these people, including unjustified violence (use fire targets), constitutes your second violation of the most basic human rights, openly conducted mass murder.

Finally, the characterization of people as "inferior", based, presumably, on racial characteristics, is near to a confession to following the nazi ideology, and the third violation, of the basic human right to equality.

These violations, on our record, make any actions against your nation, up to military, justified.


Our corporation is a private enterprise, not the world police, and therefore we will not proceed with the course of action your behavior warrants, apart from increasing the military surveillance activity towards your in case it starts hostilities outside own borders.
We do, however, condone those who will proceed with proper action, and will not treat them as violators of sovereignty, since you do not have the right to it.




Ned Vickers,
Aerospace Logistics Corporation
Relations Department Councillor

Signed by Kirill Leonov,
Aerospace Logistics Corporation
Nonconsensual Delivery Department Coordinator

(OOC: I hope this won't push it in the realms of godmoding, but letting it pass the giving to Pablicosta of enough wealth to build and maintain for 5 years a force more than 75 times larger than the combined forces of all sides in World War Two isn't taken lightly. This is something like a Titan Rain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_Rain) with a large DDoS, and I won't claim they were successful in what they wanted in this post either, though hopefully they'll manage to gain enough time for some diplomats to put sense into Gun Manufacturers politicians. And no "I already know who you are!" too, too many proxies for that, but if they take more than 3 minutes and 30 seconds they can be traced back with active trace)

Unknown Location (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/National_Security_Agency_headquarters%2C_Fort_Meade%2C_Maryland.jpg/769px-National_Security_Agency_headquarters%2C_Fort_Meade%2C_Maryland.jpg), Integrated SIGINT and Cyber-Intel Unit 5

Ahead of a large screen showing several different networks statistics, through several different desks, a group of 18 of among the best military computer, electronics and telecommunications engineers was united into both intercepting transmissions from the foolish government of Gun Manufacturers to the terrorist State of Pablicosta. The door to their large "observation hall" had a large "Restricted Area" sign. They had some of the best available Electronic Intelligence equipment: computers, receivers, encrypters, decrypters and many other systems both for defending the EDDNet against black hats, its transmissions against SIGINT and for low-intensity Intelligence on both computer networks and transmissions. They were focused on their goal for months now, since the Gun Manufactures offered to give Pablicosta enough wealth to amass a huge military and potentially use it for blitzkriegs.

"Spoofing TCP/IP Package", the screen announced to one of them, as the software simply called "Milnet ELINT Port Scanner" was on its way...
Connecting to initial zombie server...
Redirecting package through anonymous proxy servers...
Sending null fake IP packages...
1/100
...
100/100
Complete...
Processing results..."

The young athletic man behind the computer screen then said to the others:
"Ports 40102 and 40115 are open and idle today, we already discovered a medium risk vulnerability to distributed denial of service attacks days ago, national network stats show 65% of our bandwidth power is being unused. This shall be enough for the purposes of this mission, everyone, we must target their financial networks before they manage to transfer the money to Pablicosta and hopefully we will stop them from giving nuclear weapons to terrorists for enough time for them to give up on this idiocy! While they are distracted with this, Unit 4, which studied their financial networks instead, shall attempt to exploit a loophole and gain access through their Intranet with a spoofed IP because no system is impenetable"

The effort was very focused. This wasn't like in fiction, their chances were still slim even after months of continual analysis of their targets, but they had to try it no matter what because they believed 75 trillions was a quantity that would make things even worse, for the entire mankind.
Soon the network statistics skyrocketed as a massive quantity of bandwidth was being consumed by several Third Spanish States public computers being used as intermediaries of a DDoS attack, and then passed through 15 random proxy servers through the globe. Millions of corrupted TCP/IP packages started to flood Gun Manufacturers networks before they could wire the money...

Unknown Location (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/National_Security_Agency_headquarters%2C_Fort_Meade%2C_Maryland.jpg/769px-National_Security_Agency_headquarters%2C_Fort_Meade%2C_Maryland.jpg), Integrated SIGINT and Cyber-Intel Unit 4

"All computer specialists, attempt connections into the vulnerable ports", the SIGINT woman explained just as the DDoS started.
Agent 05, a man graduated as one of the best in his Computer Science class and also specialized into Information Security and computerized SIGINT, was busy attempting to take over one of the terminals of the financial network of Gun Manufacturers...


/home/agent05/highpriority/
osaconnect fsghz 161.221.21.9:41005 --exploit:/encrypt/portscans/report41005.dat --proxy:/encrypt/lists/zombieproxies5251.dat
Spoofing IP address...
Checking Proxy Servers...
Connecting through Proxy Servers(1 of 18)...
Connecting through Proxy Servers(18 of 18)...
Re-spoofing packages with fake internal IP adress 192.168.7.122...
Attempting to connect to target...
Connection Successful...


A login screen then popped in his computer while other tried similar actions. He then opened a new software: a rootkit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit) programmed by himself. He had to gain admin access to those networks to stop the transfer.


/home/agent05/highpriority/
osarootkit -mad1 4F1B:0A2C -mad2 102E:4D0A -os 5 --searchadminacc --proxy:/encrypt/lists/zombieproxies5251.dat
Connecting through proxy servers...
Repackaging TCP/IP data...
Attempting to access and patch system calls...


A single fraction of second was what would decide if Pablicosta would become a much more significant threat to the world or not as several simultaneous invasion attempts occurred against Gun Manufacturers financial network while a DDoS attack was started...

(OOC: I hope this won't push it in the realms of godmoding, but letting it pass the giving to Pablicosta of enough wealth to build and maintain for 5 years a force more than 75 times larger than the combined forces of all sides in World War Two isn't taken lightly. This is something like a Titan Rain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_Rain) with a large DDoS, and I won't claim they were successful in what they wanted in this post either, though hopefully they'll manage to gain enough time for some diplomats to put sense into Gun Manufacturers politicians. And no "I already know who you are!" too, too many proxies for that, but if they take more than 3 minutes and 30 seconds they can be traced back with active trace)

Unknown Location (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/National_Security_Agency_headquarters%2C_Fort_Meade%2C_Maryland.jpg/769px-National_Security_Agency_headquarters%2C_Fort_Meade%2C_Maryland.jpg), Integrated SIGINT and Cyber-Intel Unit 5

Ahead of a large screen showing several different networks statistics, through several different desks, a group of 18 of among the best military computer, electronics and telecommunications engineers was united into both intercepting transmissions from the foolish government of Gun Manufacturers to the terrorist State of Pablicosta. The door to their large "observation hall" had a large "Restricted Area" sign. They had some of the best available Electronic Intelligence equipment: computers, receivers, encrypters, decrypters and many other systems both for defending the EDDNet against black hats, its transmissions against SIGINT and for low-intensity Intelligence on both computer networks and transmissions. They were focused on their goal for months now, since the Gun Manufactures offered to give Pablicosta enough wealth to amass a huge military and potentially use it for blitzkriegs.

"Spoofing TCP/IP Package", the screen announced to one of them, as the software simply called "Milnet ELINT Port Scanner" was on its way...
Connecting to initial zombie server...
Redirecting package through anonymous proxy servers...
Sending null fake IP packages...
1/100
...
100/100
Complete...
Processing results..."

The young athletic man behind the computer screen then said to the others:
"Ports 40102 and 40115 are open and idle today, we already discovered a medium risk vulnerability to distributed denial of service attacks days ago, national network stats show 65% of our bandwidth power is being unused. This shall be enough for the purposes of this mission, everyone, we must target their financial networks before they manage to transfer the money to Pablicosta and hopefully we will stop them from giving nuclear weapons to terrorists for enough time for them to give up on this idiocy! While they are distracted with this, Unit 4, which studied their financial networks instead, shall attempt to exploit a loophole and gain access through their Intranet with a spoofed IP because no system is impenetable"

The effort was very focused. This wasn't like in fiction, their chances were still slim even after months of continual analysis of their targets, but they had to try it no matter what because they believed 75 trillions was a quantity that would make things even worse, for the entire mankind.
Soon the network statistics skyrocketed as a massive quantity of bandwidth was being consumed by several Third Spanish States public computers being used as intermediaries of a DDoS attack, and then passed through 15 random proxy servers through the globe. Millions of corrupted TCP/IP packages started to flood Gun Manufacturers networks before they could wire the money...

Unknown Location (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/National_Security_Agency_headquarters%2C_Fort_Meade%2C_Maryland.jpg/769px-National_Security_Agency_headquarters%2C_Fort_Meade%2C_Maryland.jpg), Integrated SIGINT and Cyber-Intel Unit 4

"All computer specialists, attempt connections into the vulnerable ports", the SIGINT woman explained just as the DDoS started.
Agent 05, a man graduated as one of the best in his Computer Science class and also specialized into Information Security and computerized SIGINT, was busy attempting to take over one of the terminals of the financial network of Gun Manufacturers...


/home/agent05/highpriority/
osaconnect fsghz 161.221.21.9:41005 --exploit:/encrypt/portscans/report41005.dat --proxy:/encrypt/lists/zombieproxies5251.dat
Spoofing IP address...
Checking Proxy Servers...
Connecting through Proxy Servers(1 of 18)...
Connecting through Proxy Servers(18 of 18)...
Re-spoofing packages with fake internal IP adress 192.168.7.122...
Attempting to connect to target...
Connection Successful...


A login screen then popped in his computer while other tried similar actions. He then opened a new software: a rootkit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit) programmed by himself. He had to gain admin access to those networks to stop the transfer.


/home/agent05/highpriority/
osarootkit -mad1 4F1B:0A2C -mad2 102E:4D0A -os 5 --searchadminacc --proxy:/encrypt/lists/zombieproxies5251.dat
Connecting through proxy servers...
Repackaging TCP/IP data...
Attempting to access and patch system calls...


A single fraction of second was what would decide if Pablicosta would become a much more significant threat to the world or not as several simultaneous invasion attempts occurred against Gun Manufacturers financial network while a DDoS attack was started...

OOC: It's close IMO, but I'll let it go.

IC: A government computer network analyst noticed a monumental increase in activity of the primary network. He scanned the ports, and noticed an unusual amount of the activity coming from ports 40102 and 40115 of the primary network. He notified his supervisor, who ordered the secondary network brought up, and the primary network shunted to less important tasks. The process of moving the money transfer to the secondary network slowed the transfer down, but it would be completed within 5 minutes. Then, figuring that the problem was a DDoS, the supervisor had the network analysts begin protecting vulnerable ports on the secondary network, while he began a trace for the hacker(s) responsible for the problems with the primary network. He also notified his boss, the head of security for all the ASoGM government computer networks. A false layer was set up in the primary network, so that when it got shunted back to the important tasks, the hackers would be less likely to be able to get anything.

OOC: A false layer is something that will fool most hackers into thinking that they penetrated a network, but nothing that they do will affect the network.

(OOC: I hope this won't push it in the realms of godmoding, but letting it pass the giving to Pablicosta of enough wealth to build and maintain for 5 years a force more than 75 times larger than the combined forces of all sides in World War Two isn't taken lightly.)

(OOC: Err...I wished I could respond this ICly but...er...

I know that ThirdGeek is down, prephaps peremeantly, so I am relying on Sunset. Sorry here. It tends to understaimte the GDP if a nation has a high tax (like this one has, at 100%). But according to Sunset, Pablicosta has:

Gross Domestic Product (Official): $65,868,659,747,758

...or 65 trillion.

Defence (21%): $13,832,418,547,029
Pablicostat spends 13 trillion on Defense.

Your nation:
Gross Domestic Product (Official): $6,024,601,498,037

...or, 6 trillion. Your tax rate is 92%.

Defence (13%): $722,859,344,684
You spend only 722 billion on defense. Your economy may be 'almost' the same pace, but in defense, you are surely outmatched.

[[Anyway, my argument is this. Pablicosta already GOT enough money to nuke us all sky-high (except, of course, GM, who has an economy of $131 trillion, and 11 trillion dollars in Defense). So, trying to block more money to him is, um, dumb. He's already a superpower that can swat us like flies. The fact that he isn't swating us like flies shows that he is a very responsible nation.

Besides, assuming he allocates 75 trillion dollars in the same way he allocates the rest of his money, only $15,750,000,000,000,000 will actually be sent to the military, or just 15 trillion.

That being said, the fact that we are doubling the nation's economy of Pablicosta...er....]]

OOC: You're relatively new here, so there's one thing to learn.
Never judge a nation by its budget.

First, because the use can be very different (although that's not the case). Second, because a small nation can have big players ready to stand alongside with it. Maybe not directly, but equipment transfers for sure. Or, on the second thought, usually it goes directly.


He's already a superpower that can swat us like flies. The fact that he isn't swating us like flies shows that he is a very responsible nation.
No, it shows he isn't going to become the new Gens Romae. You have seen that story, right?

((OOC: Valut10: the point was, I was trying to rebutt TSS's argument that we are funding a dictatorship and making him able to be uber-powerful, by actually looking at numbers and stats. The fact that he already has lots more money devoted to the armed forces means that this 75 trillion dollars being given to him is not going to impact him much as he still got enough military ANYWAY.

And the fact that it is easy for smaller nations to dogpile one larger nation misses the point, which is that they can do that already too, even if the transcation goes through. (GM is one major ally who can contend with Pablicosta, for instance). But you need all those allies to counter his armed forces if he ever seeks to use them. If you already got the allies, then that 'money' being sent to him is just a one-off transaction that isn't going to affect the grand scheme of things.

I just saw TSS's IC comments as just pure paranoia and hysteria that will not lead to anywhere good, it's just imaginary money be given to save imaginary people. So, that why I wanted to make that OOC comment.))

He's already a superpower that can swat us like flies. The fact that he isn't swating us like flies shows that he is a very responsible nation.
OOC: I spend more on defense than him, there, captain.

Secret IC - so, you know, nobody knows

In the reply to Vetalian inquiries;

The Imperial Janissary Corps has already disposed of over four-hundred and sixty thousand bodies, but if your government would be interested, then we can agree to make available the next column's worth of discarded bodies.

The bodies are those of the people of the nation of Gronde, a nation who foolishly challenged the Pudite authority in the Dominion's own sphere of influence. Now, they make up the Near Eastern Colonial District, with a large portion of their nearly eight-and-a-half billion citizens annexed into the Dominion.

Good day,
Mr. White.

And the fact that it is easy for smaller nations to dogpile one larger nation misses the point, which is that they can do that already too, even if the transcation goes through. (GM is one major ally who can contend with Pablicosta, for instance). But you need all those allies to counter his armed forces if he ever seeks to use them.
Not really; why do you think I told not to judge nations by population? It's not what decides the wars. Being a Nov2007 nation, you might have gotten used to being pushed around because you're small in the military aspect, but once you pass a couple billion point, what matters is experience and tactics.
Pablicosta could be quite an interesting opponent, but in the end he isn't one of the top league players, so his chances of "swatting like flies" would be pretty dim against players like ALC. I won't even need to bring up the stats of a 2004 puppet I'm normally technically using, nor need allied help. Resisting the invasion, perhaps he could, but not winning; just keeping it interesting enough, as he seems a decent RPer. If a war is what he's asking for, and it does seem that way, well, you're welcome to watch or even participate. I'd like to get some nice war to keep in shape and have some fun before fighting really serious ones.

The only reason I'm being careful is that if what Kahanistan said means Pablicosta is allied with Praetonia, that changes everything. Prae is a top league player, and his nation is, globally, more on our side in the economic system opposition - I don't want to risk a war with him neither OOC nor IC. Not now, at least, but really not in the future as well, besides being tough, it would be pointless.


Valut10: the point was, I was trying to rebutt TSS's argument that we are funding a dictatorship and making him able to be uber-powerful, by actually looking at numbers and stats.
It's not the OOC factor which concerns me, but IC. I think that people "buying" his population at tremendous cost are just in to increase their own RPed stats a bit for "free" (expenditure they'll forget, and anyway don't realize how huge it is so can't account for it). But IC such actions are what I'm standing against.

OOC: Just to clarify here, I'm not interested in a war. I started this RP to provoke someone into assisting the rebel movement in my nation with their goal of revolution. I'm letting the blockade threats run because I think it's an interesting spin and it keeps the RP alive while I wait for someone to dispose of my government. I don't mind a few skirmishes, but an invasion is out of the question.

IC:

Network Monitoring Station, Unknown Location

"Comrade Hutchins, is server 4 online yet?" Called one of the countless IT drones to another, his eyes illuminated by the torch he was shining down the dim corridor.
"Um, it's running post checks now Comrade Don, we should have full functionality in under a minute" replied Hutchins. He was out of sight, fiddliing in the server room. Hutchins had been given the dubious honour of making his way down to the server room to bring the idle servers online, which in a high tech facility like this didn't require much effort. The job was loathed not because it was difficult, but because in order to access the server room one had to make your alongside 2 13ft diameter cooling fans.
"Online Comrade, all servers are now up and reporting green. Servers 6 through 11 are running incoming traffic scans, all others are providing cover for this facility."

-------------------------------

Meanwhile, at various locations throughout the nation the military and police forces have been placed on Level 8 Alert (of 10 levels) due to intercepted transmissions regarding military action. In practice this elevation means that:

Curfew for citizens has been brought forward to 4pm, from 8pm.
The National Air Guard is performing constant patrols using A-88 Interceptor's aswell as reconnaissance missions being flown by O-A1 Patrols.
The Chancellors Guards division of the police are granted otherwhise reserved interogation rights.
Army, Navy and Air Guard reserves are called to duty.
National Missile Barrage facilities are brought online in order to deliver retaliatory or first strike fire power.
Sea Patrols in Pablicostan waters extend exclusion zone by 20 miles to all unidentified vessels.

A trace for the location of the hacker(s) was approximately halfway done, however, the number of proxies that were used for the hack were slowing things down. The money transfer would be done soon, but not before the trace was finished. If the hacker(s) discovered that the DDoS attack failed to stop the transfer, there was the chance that they would attempt to penetrate the secondary network's defenses.

Airport Bar, Pablicosta City Airport, Pablicosta City, Pablicosta:

Ashley Smith was tired he had spent 20 hours on various First Class Planes flying around the world to get to the nation of Pablicosta flights between the nation of Pablicosta and Vetaka where regular however Ash needed to be sure nobody had followed him or needless knew he was here. Ash was a man of around 6ft1 he was muscular man of 21 with brown hair and blue eyes if anybody had met his mother they would believe him to be her son alright. He was son of legendary Vetakan Bridget Smith whom had escaped to Vetaka years ago from the Evil Slave State of Strator. Once in Vetaka she had played an important role in the founding of the Theeb Accords and the United Federation she was quite possibly one of the most important women in Vetakan History after the nations female Presidents. Following in his mothers footsteps he had joined the Vetakan Government and joined as part of the Vetakan Security and Intelligence Service this was his first major mission he was to come to Pablicosta meet with a known rebel revolutionary group
and discuss possible Vetakan-Allied support for an uprising against the current Government whom was practically engaged in Slavery. Ash looked around the empty bar all he had been told by his Intelligence Handler on his route in was to sit in the bar and see if their contact appeared. If the contact appeared the mission was a go and he was to discuss possible support and begin preparations to vector in such Aid. If the contact didn't show Ash was to simply enjoy the nation for a weeks holiday and then leave. Ash had been here for about 20 minutes now reading his book a James Patterson Novel and downing a coke. Little did he know whether the contact would appear or not.

The only reason I'm being careful is that if what Kahanistan said means Pablicosta is allied with Praetonia, that changes everything. Prae is a top league player, and his nation is, globally, more on our side in the economic system opposition - I don't want to risk a war with him neither OOC nor IC. Not now, at least, but really not in the future as well, besides being tough, it would be pointless.
[Actually, I... had protectorate status more or less forced on me and can't declare war without permission from Praetonia. That's what the treaty refers to that I was talking about. I can't see them openly allying with a slaver nation.]

[OOC: Ah, well. So I thought, but wanted to be sure. A war between the powers is the last thing we need.

BTW, Pablicosta, hide the nukes, that's a taboo... Don't flash a gun if you don't want to be shot. The mention of these drives people aggressive, and that will endanger the RP. You can't scare people with nukes these days, don't even consider escalation.


Don't finish the transfer, VTEC just kicked in yo. Will be posted soon. ]

A trace for the location of the hacker(s) was approximately halfway done, however, the number of proxies that were used for the hack were slowing things down. The money transfer would be done soon, but not before the trace was finished. If the hacker(s) discovered that the DDoS attack failed to stop the transfer, there was the chance that they would attempt to penetrate the secondary network's defenses.

(OOC: I'll try to put some logical background to explain better why it was done in the first place. And it seems you decided to use a honeypot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29), which is a good idea)

Someone from the DiploNet typed frenetically to finish a message to Gun Manufacturers with an appeal to cancel the transfer. The work was done before but it required some additional statistics and arguments against such transfer.
Twenty charts were built showing how many of the underclass could be forced to bred and reproduce like animals in farms, how much military power Pablicosta could amass and how many nuclear weapons could be built, all those actions happening at the same time, by investing properly 75 trillions. Another report included how many people could be minced into meat with such quantity and how a small fraction of it would allow Pablicosta to stage a successful invasion against Gun Manufacturers if well invested, well planned and strategically devised and finally the Pudu's video of the slaughter was also annexed to show in media form to sum the whole effort to convince them of stopping it. All those statistics and simulations were being hastily done during the months while they offered and negotiated the trillions and although convincing, they were far from perfect and speculations on what Pablicosta would do with so much money rather than facts. But they hoped that it would put some sense in the foreign policies of Gun Manufacturers government. The major inconvenient was that their message wasn't still ready as the transfer started, triggering a reaction in the form of several attacks against Gun Manufacturers network to delay the transfer process. As the DDoS was weakening the message was urgently sent to the government of Gun Manufacturers, asking them to immediately stop the transfer and cancel their bid before it was too late.

-----------

Somehow it went too easy as they had a little more than one minute to finish it. The "agent 05" did not believe it and tried to use a Honeypot detection software to ensure it wasn't a false network that they "invaded".

However it was known honeypots were constantly shifted in version to drastically reduce chances of detection, and as expected, the software brought nothing on whether it was a honeypot or not after 30 seconds.

Now there were mere 40 seconds between getting caught or not as he frenetically typed several commands to prepare another DDoS attack against the secondary network, which maybe would not work at all, but was all that was left to be done considering his limited time. A cluster of zombier servers started to bombard Gun Manufacturers secondary network.

It was five seconds to detection when he disconnected with a sigh of alleviation, now all that remained for them was to wait and watch. Hopefully they would be forced to temporarily disconnect from the world networks as a temporary safety measure, or hopefully someone would see the reasoning in the diplomatic message and order the cancellation of the transfer. The operation was finished, while its success or failure was yet to be seen.

(OOC: V10, I hope this Cyber-Warfare stuff didn't go completely fail for a start)

[ **The technique described and the detail of implementation are completely real. ]


Somewhere over the Interwebs


VT-012-009-034
[ Necropolis, Vault 12, level 9, compartment 34 ]
742.5m below sea level
+18 degrees Celsius, 20% humidity
Late spring, strong breeze

2008.01.17, 2345

With comprehensive input from countless hacked and trojaned servers in the Interwebs, James was monitoring the TSS hackers actions with great interest and awe.

"Uncreative. But effective for a good while. The Pablicostas servers are overloaded." - one of the geeks near him mentioned, gulping from his glass.
"They put into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material!" - his neighbor laughed, putting aside the mug.
"Should we kick in and rock for real?" - the first geek asked, turning towards William, a guy standing by the wall with his face obscured by a large glass bottle and heavy sunglasses, completely useless for someone whose last encounter with sunlight was eleven years ago.
"I just got another internet from our GM friends. They seem to be coping with the attack. I'm rolling." - a guy in the corner noted, typing at wild speed (because, of course, he was playing ADoM).

James nodded and said confidently. - "DDoS can't be really defeated, but at some rate can be broken through. They might be using the Arsebait tactics." Everyone looked at him with surprise, suspicion, or just smiles. - "I've overheard it at the Goatse'2007 convention from two GNAVT operatives!" - he replied in a lower and quicker tone in response to surprised stares and smiled modestly.

William, leaning forward from the wall, took the next cocktail from the bar. "Don't you mention GNAVT again, dude!" - he grinned before letting vodka martini to flow down his throat. As he did after. "What's that?" - "What did you put in there?"



A four millimeter steel hatch in the floor nearby opened with a heavy "thud-d".

The camera rushed away from William's disappointed face, and made a barrel roll, diving into the brewing room. Almost touching the floor, it pitched up and yawed, showcasing the ten square meters of a low-tech facility filled with chemical apparatus, its unpainted concrete walls at stark contrast with old scratched and tarnished metal panels in the room above. A tall, skinny man in a trenchcoat, standing before one of the brighter looking steel cylinders, climbed the stairs a little, sticking his head outside.
- "First rectification samogon, you dumb noddy."

"Look here, Ender!" - James was waving towards the old CRT monitor at the table a couple meters from the bar, and the man climbed up. Jumping out of the alcohol vapor filled trap, the camera rushed around, finally showing his young pale face with narrow beard, with a pretty dirty wall behind. The contrast between the rooms wasn't really stark without a barrel roll.
Ender walked to the monitor, watching the logs. "Hmm. So, Leha, you got the accounts detail... Now let's hit them with their own stuff. They want digimoney, give'em plenty."
- "Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Our friends are starting already, and we've found the jamkey..." - the guy, with three huge CRTs around him making his face look strangely impressive, nodded. As Ender sat down nearby on a discarded server case, pouring a misty liquid for both of them from a 3-liter glass can, they dived deep into the things mattering only to them. And everyone else in the room, of course.


..."We're out of gin." - James shrugged, apologizing. "I did with what we've got". He looked really sorry and small now.
- "Out of gin! You lazy /b/tards! What am I going to do? Run for it, NOW!" - William screamed. James looked straight for a second, until realizing how commanding William's face was - of course, it wouldn't be nearly as impressive as Leha's, if not for enhanced contrast and strong digital noise resonating with his voice. James picked up the intercom phone and started to dial.
"None of that crap. They never send the real stuff! Be of some use already, you noob!"
- "Hey, here's some!" - a guy near the bar took out a full bottle, no doubt one he was trying to hoard for himself. James looked relieved - at least he won't miss the fun. He opened the bottle, took a few more from the bar behind, and started making the cocktails.



2008.01.18, 0030


Four people have gathered already around Leha and Ender. - "Now, now, the first!" - one of the screens showed how 75 trillion were just wired to Pablicosta. Another. And again. While the GM network was jammed by TSS attacks, Someone On The Interwebs was always kind enough to take over their role for a while.
"I've played that scam on some frayers" - the guy from the corner came closer finally. "All banks first count the money, then check if the payer actually can pay it** - that can take days, and clients want transfers to look fast." - he gave his glass to Ender. "You send them some thousands from your faux `Prince Of Nigeria` account through proxies, they think you've started to send their millions, and send to your other account what you ask for."
- "And how much does that milk out, Eric?"
Eric made a gulp, and sighed in awe at the taste and the strength, savoring the steamy drink for a while. "The entire account usually. Frayers think they're just laundering your money, as you send them thrice what they're asked to send back. The only thing is that your money are false and the bank won't let them to withdraw them until they've checked you can pay, but what lamer bothers to withdraw? And the money they send you is real, so with good timing you can withdraw them after your bank has done the check, but the frayer hasn't yet noticed the joke's on him."



2008.01.18, 0100


The count was no longer in quadrillions. From all around the world, from the entire Cult of Dead Brahmin network, from infected computers, from the /b/, through satellites, through proxy agents in GM, through pranksters in banks themselves, millions of machines were sending to Pablicosta hundreds millions of payments. Pentillions, hexillions, septillions of fake dollars were flowing freely around thick wires, fiber optics, satellite links. Epic lulz were ensuing, as it would be far above the capacity of any bank to verify them all; anything real would be lost in the junk, or, more likely, just discarded.

"Ebatt ich vrot... We got a virus!" - someone on the other side shouted. "I'm locking down the unix machines!", he announced - "Switch to CP/M!".
"Do you think GM went out of BSOD, Pablicosta got out money, or it's pissed off banks?" - asked Aaron, standing near the central table, pausing with setting up the projector for a while.
"Who knows? Epicness has came, let's milk the brahmins for the lulz!" - one of the guys near Ender took a katana from the wall, screamed, and with one swing cut off the top off the bottle of beer standing on the table. A plastic bottle, of course.



James hastily turned around the door locking wheel a few times, then pushed it with the shoulder, and finally rushed out of the room.
William screamed as he left: "And remember, no Vault-Tec synth crap, I want real GIN!!!" - and with his face close-up in black and white, everything faded to black.





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(OOC: I'll try to put some logical background to explain better why it was done in the first place. And it seems you decided to use a honeypot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_%28computing%29), which is a good idea)

Someone from the DiploNet typed frenetically to finish a message to Gun Manufacturers with an appeal to cancel the transfer. The work was done before but it required some additional statistics and arguments against such transfer.
Twenty charts were built showing how many of the underclass could be forced to bred and reproduce like animals in farms, how much military power Pablicosta could amass and how many nuclear weapons could be built, all those actions happening at the same time, by investing properly 75 trillions. Another report included how many people could be minced into meat with such quantity and how a small fraction of it would allow Pablicosta to stage a successful invasion against Gun Manufacturers if well invested, well planned and strategically devised and finally the Pudu's video of the slaughter was also annexed to show in media form to sum the whole effort to convince them of stopping it. All those statistics and simulations were being hastily done during the months while they offered and negotiated the trillions and although convincing, they were far from perfect and speculations on what Pablicosta would do with so much money rather than facts. But they hoped that it would put some sense in the foreign policies of Gun Manufacturers government. The major inconvenient was that their message wasn't still ready as the transfer started, triggering a reaction in the form of several attacks against Gun Manufacturers network to delay the transfer process. As the DDoS was weakening the message was urgently sent to the government of Gun Manufacturers, asking them to immediately stop the transfer and cancel their bid before it was too late.

-----------

Somehow it went too easy as they had a little more than one minute to finish it. The "agent 05" did not believe it and tried to use a Honeypot detection software to ensure it wasn't a false network that they "invaded".

However it was known honeypots were constantly shifted in version to drastically reduce chances of detection, and as expected, the software brought nothing on whether it was a honeypot or not after 30 seconds.

Now there were mere 40 seconds between getting caught or not as he frenetically typed several commands to prepare another DDoS attack against the secondary network, which maybe would not work at all, but was all that was left to be done considering his limited time. A cluster of zombier servers started to bombard Gun Manufacturers secondary network.

It was five seconds to detection when he disconnected with a sigh of alleviation, now all that remained for them was to wait and watch. Hopefully they would be forced to temporarily disconnect from the world networks as a temporary safety measure, or hopefully someone would see the reasoning in the diplomatic message and order the cancellation of the transfer. The operation was finished, while its success or failure was yet to be seen.

(OOC: V10, I hope this Cyber-Warfare stuff didn't go completely fail for a start)

The message from TSS was received, but the Minister of Foreign Affairs was out of the office at the time, on a personal matter. His secretary placed the information on his desk, at the top of his inbox. No Minister's aide had the authorization to halt the transfer, and since the Ministry of Foreign Affairs was the only branch of the government that could, the matter couldn't be moved to another Ministry.

___________________________________

The network analysts halted the attacks on the vulnerable ports as they came in. The transfer was going ahead, and the false layer on the primary network was nearly ready. Five seconds before the trace was complete, the DDoS attack stopped. It would still be another minute for the transfer to complete, however.

[ **The technique described and the detail of implementation are completely real. ]


Somewhere over the Interwebs


VT-012-009-034
[ Necropolis, Vault 12, level 9, compartment 34 ]
742.5m below sea level
+18 degrees Celsius, 20% humidity
Late spring, strong breeze

2008.01.17, 2345

With comprehensive input from countless hacked and trojaned servers in the Interwebs, James was monitoring the TSS hackers actions with great interest and awe.

"Uncreative. But effective for a good while. The Pablicostas servers are overloaded." - one of the geeks near him mentioned, gulping from his glass.
"They put into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material!" - his neighbor laughed, putting aside the mug.
"Should we kick in and rock for real?" - the first geek asked, turning towards William, a guy standing by the wall with his face obscured by a large glass bottle and heavy sunglasses, completely useless for someone whose last encounter with sunlight was eleven years ago.
"I just got another internet from our GM friends. They seem to be coping with the attack. I'm rolling." - a guy in the corner noted, typing at wild speed (because, of course, he was playing ADoM).

James nodded and said confidently. - "DDoS can't be really defeated, but at some rate can be broken through. They might be using the Arsebait tactics." Everyone looked at him with surprise, suspicion, or just smiles. - "I've overheard it at the Goatse'2007 convention from two GNAVT operatives!" - he replied in a lower and quicker tone in response to surprised stares and smiled modestly.

William, leaning forward from the wall, took the next cocktail from the bar. "Don't you mention GNAVT again, dude!" - he grinned before letting vodka martini to flow down his throat. As he did after. "What's that?" - "What did you put in there?"



A four millimeter steel hatch in the floor nearby opened with a heavy "thud-d".

The camera rushed away from William's disappointed face, and made a barrel roll, diving into the brewing room. Almost touching the floor, it pitched up and yawed, showcasing the ten square meters of a low-tech facility filled with chemical apparatus, its unpainted concrete walls at stark contrast with old scratched and tarnished metal panels in the room above. A tall, skinny man in a trenchcoat, standing before one of the brighter looking steel cylinders, climbed the stairs a little, sticking his head outside.
- "First rectification samogon, you dumb noddy."

"Look here, Ender!" - James was waving towards the old CRT monitor at the table a couple meters from the bar, and the man climbed up. Jumping out of the alcohol vapor filled trap, the camera rushed around, finally showing his young pale face with narrow beard, with a pretty dirty wall behind. The contrast between the rooms wasn't really stark without a barrel roll.
Ender walked to the monitor, watching the logs. "Hmm. So, Leha, you got the accounts detail... Now let's hit them with their own stuff. They want digimoney, give'em plenty."
- "Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Our friends are starting already, and we've found the jamkey..." - the guy, with three huge CRTs around him making his face look strangely impressive, nodded. As Ender sat down nearby on a discarded server case, pouring a misty liquid for both of them from a 3-liter glass can, they dived deep into the things mattering only to them. And everyone else in the room, of course.


..."We're out of gin." - James shrugged, apologizing. "I did with what we've got". He looked really sorry and small now.
- "Out of gin! You lazy /b/tards! What am I going to do? Run for it, NOW!" - William screamed. James looked straight for a second, until realizing how commanding William's face was - of course, it wouldn't be nearly as impressive as Leha's, if not for enhanced contrast and strong digital noise resonating with his voice. James picked up the intercom phone and started to dial.
"None of that crap. They never send the real stuff! Be of some use already, you noob!"
- "Hey, here's some!" - a guy near the bar took out a full bottle, no doubt one he was trying to hoard for himself. James looked relieved - at least he won't miss the fun. He opened the bottle, took a few more from the bar behind, and started making the cocktails.



2008.01.18, 0030


Four people have gathered already around Leha and Ender. - "Now, now, the first!" - one of the screens showed how 75 trillion were just wired to Pablicosta. Another. And again. While the GM network was jammed by TSS attacks, Someone On The Interwebs was always kind enough to take over their role for a while.
"I've played that scam on some frayers" - the guy from the corner came closer finally. "All banks first count the money, then check if the payer actually can pay it** - that can take days, and clients want transfers to look fast." - he gave his glass to Ender. "You send them some thousands from your faux `Prince Of Nigeria` account through proxies, they think you've started to send their millions, and send to your other account what you ask for."
- "And how much does that milk out, Eric?"
Eric made a gulp, and sighed in awe at the taste and the strength, savoring the steamy drink for a while. "The entire account usually. Frayers think they're just laundering your money, as you send them thrice what they're asked to send back. The only thing is that your money are false and the bank won't let them to withdraw them until they've checked you can pay, but what lamer bothers to withdraw? And the money they send you is real, so with good timing you can withdraw them after your bank has done the check, but the frayer hasn't yet noticed the joke's on him."



2008.01.18, 0100


The count was no longer in quadrillions. From all around the world, from the entire Cult of Dead Brahmin network, from infected computers, from the /b/, through satellites, through proxy agents in GM, through pranksters in banks themselves, millions of machines were sending to Pablicosta hundreds millions of payments. Pentillions, hexillions, septillions of fake dollars were flowing freely around thick wires, fiber optics, satellite links. Epic lulz were ensuing, as it would be far above the capacity of any bank to verify them all; anything real would be lost in the junk, or, more likely, just discarded.

"Ebatt ich vrot... We got a virus!" - someone on the other side shouted. "I'm locking down the unix machines!", he announced - "Switch to CP/M!".
"Do you think GM went out of BSOD, Pablicosta got out money, or it's pissed off banks?" - asked Aaron, standing near the central table, pausing with setting up the projector for a while.
"Who knows? Epicness has came, let's milk the brahmins for the lulz!" - one of the guys near Ender took a katana from the wall, screamed, and with one swing cut off the top off the bottle of beer standing on the table. A plastic bottle, of course.



James hastily turned around the door locking wheel a few times, then pushed it with the shoulder, and finally rushed out of the room.
William screamed as he left: "And remember, no Vault-Tec synth crap, I want real GIN!!!" - and with his face close-up in black and white, everything faded to black.





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OOC: Erm, what? Could you break all that down? It sounds like you were attacking Pablicosta's accounts, and trying to crash my payment after it hits Pablicosta's bank account.

OOC: First, please be so kind as not to overquote in the future...

Second, read the post again. Starting from 2008.01.18, 0030. Basically, the hackers are making fake payments from GM to Pablicosta, in amounts banks would be unable to verify. Which means the banks can either accept them all (bad idea) or temporarily stop accepting any major payments to Pablicosta. Doesn't matter if you join the flashmob with a real one.




P.S. And SilentScope, stop throwing around money you don't remotely have, it's 60 years worth of your welfare bugdet.
BTW, for GM the cost is too over 5 years' worth his most funded budget sector. You don't have that money, neither of you. In 5 years, GM could potentially collect them, but pay for that with an economic depression. Not in 2 weeks, not even possibly, apart from selling a half of his nation in small pieces to multiple others. So, realistically speaking, your payments are likely to be as faux as ours.

Or you might be confusing trillions with billions. With 25 billions, it would be of course within SilentScope welfare budget, as the rest would be within GM's one, and so quite possible.

OOC: Basicly to make it even easier Gun Manufacturers.

The bank computers think that you have sent the payment at least over 9000+ times. And have basicly given them a money amount near impossible for any nation. Of course with the exception of your single transfer, the rest of the 'money' is fake. But since the banks won't be able to tell the difference between your real 75 trillion and the septillions (add 27 zeros) in fake money.

OOC: First, please be so kind as not to overquote in the future...

Second, read the post again. Starting from 2008.01.18, 0030. Basically, the hackers are making fake payments from GM to Pablicosta, in amounts banks would be unable to verify. Which means the banks can either accept them all (bad idea) or temporarily stop accepting any major payments to Pablicosta. Doesn't matter if you join the flashmob with a real one.




P.S. And SilentScope, stop throwing around money you don't remotely have, it's 60 years worth of your welfare bugdet.
BTW, for GM the cost is too over 5 years' worth his most funded budget sector. You don't have that money, neither of you. In 5 years, GM could potentially collect them, but pay for that with an economic depression. Not in 2 weeks, not even possibly, apart from selling a half of his nation in small pieces to multiple others. So, realistically speaking, your payments are likely to be as faux as ours.

Or you might be confusing trillions with billions. With 25 billions, it would be of course within SilentScope welfare budget, as the rest would be within GM's one, and so quite possible.

Seeing as I haven't made any purchases in quite a while, it'd be reasonable to assume that I haven't been spending all of my military budget for quite a while. It's that surplus (built up over the years) that I'd be paying that money with.

OOC: Basicly to make it even easier Gun Manufacturers.

The bank computers think that you have sent the payment at least over 9000+ times. And have basicly given them a money amount near impossible for any nation. Of course with the exception of your single transfer, the rest of the 'money' is fake. But since the banks won't be able to tell the difference between your real 75 trillion and the septillions (add 27 zeros) in fake money.

So, since the bank won't be able to tell the difference between my payment and the fake ones, my payment will eventually be refused and returned to me? That'd be cool, especially if I already have the people by then.

OOC: I'm not sure if you realize the scale. No RL nation, even with very limited expenditures, could just go and pay 1/100 of that sum (750 billion). That sum would take at least a couple years to gather, with noticeable cost.
And you're 10 times richer than USA, but not 100. For you paying 75T would be like for US paying 7,500 billion. That being 15 times the combined cost of all military equipment in the world.

Your defense budget is 14 trillion. Assuming that 7 trillion of it are hoarded and the rest 7 are maintenance (remember, every piece of equipment takes a large fraction of its cost yearly in maintenance, replacement, crew and incurred expenses - roughly, nation's total armed forces mobile equipment cost is limited to 1.5-2 times its annual budget), you'd need 10 years of hoarding. At the cost of halving your military.

But well... your loss. Lol, thanks, I'll take that into account. As I've said, I'm not putting the i on it, but just suggesting a reason to reconsider. You're welcome to go on, I've long been waiting for a chance to play big time cyberspace warfare.


So, since the bank won't be able to tell the difference between my payment and the fake ones, my payment will eventually be refused and returned to me? That'd be cool, especially if I already have the people by then.
Not exactly. As I've mentioned, after the bank gets a message of money transfer to account A from B (in major banking), it immediately informs A of that transfer, but A can only manage that money after the bank has verified that B can actually pay them. Any specialist, of course, knows that, so an unconfirmed payment won't be accepted.
And of course there's risk of the accounts being eternally lost in the spam, for the benefit of the world - reduction in money mass causes raise of money value.

OOC: I'm not sure if you realize the scale. No RL nation, even with very limited expenditures, could just go and pay 1/100 of that sum (750 billion). That sum would take at least a couple years to gather, with noticeable cost.
And you're 10 times richer than USA, but not 100. For you paying 75T would be like for US paying 7,500 billion. That being 15 times the combined cost of all military equipment in the world.

Your defense budget is 14 trillion. Assuming that 7 trillion of it are hoarded and the rest 7 are maintenance (remember, every piece of equipment takes a large fraction of its cost yearly in maintenance, replacement, crew and incurred expenses - roughly, nation's total armed forces mobile equipment cost is limited to 1.5-2 times its annual budget), you'd need 10 years of hoarding. At the cost of halving your military.



But well... your loss. Lol, thanks, I'll take that into account. As I've said, I'm not putting the i on it, but just suggesting a reason to reconsider.

OOC: I am well aware of recurring costs such as payroll, maintenance and replacement costs, training, administrative costs, etc. However, even putting away 1-2 trillion a year from my military budget would work, assuming I had enough time to put away the money. And when I say quite a while, my last purchase of military hardware from another nation was on 18-02-2007. Combine all of that with a defensive military (my first ever combat action was on 13-12-2007), and I should be able to afford this without too big a hit to my military's size.

OOC: With a significant hit. Only 10-20% of military budget can go to procurement, the rest is always maintenance, personnel and other expenses. And, then, a part of that procurement is simply replacing aged equipment.
You'd have to suffer at least a 20% reduction in the military size to be able to hoard such a sum even in 15 years, even assuming no fancy excessive procurement. You didn't have 70 years to put it year by year, that would bring the nation out of the timeline, and [nearly] nobody plays with 1:365 anymore even in FT; roughly 1:10 seems to be the limit today. Well, and you were smaller in the past years.

But anyway, your choice. As I've said, you're doing major expense which would not realistically be believable, but I'm accepting it for the sake of fun.



Respond in character then. The cyberwar is rolling. Make your move already!

OOC:
Oh, that's up to you. That's what tactics is about, seeking for a way to do what you need, isn't it? And cyberwar is quite a puzzle...

Maybe you can find a way to beat this attack, or maybe you can buy lots of gold and send it to him, or maybe something else. Just make sure for it to be fun.

OOC: With a significant hit. Only 10-20% of military budget can go to procurement, the rest is always maintenance, personnel and other expenses. And, then, a part of that procurement is simply replacing aged equipment.
You'd have to suffer at least a 20% reduction in the military size to be able to hoard such a sum even in 15 years, even assuming no fancy excessive procurement. You didn't have 70 years to put it year by year, that would bring the nation out of the timeline, and [nearly] nobody plays with 1:365 anymore even in FT; roughly 1:10 seems to be the limit today. Well, and you were smaller in the past years.

But anyway, your choice. As I've said, you're doing major expense which would not realistically be believable, but I'm accepting it for the sake of fun.



Respond in character then. The cyberwar is rolling. Make your move already!

OOC: I'm still unsure how to respond, if you're attacking Pablicosta's account through fake transfer spamming. According to your own post, by the time you would have started transferring fake money into Pablicosta's account, my transfer would have been complete.

OOC:
Oh, that's up to you. That's what tactics is about, seeking for a way to do what you need, isn't it? And cyberwar is quite a puzzle...

Maybe you can find a way to beat this attack, or maybe you can buy lots of gold and send it to him, or maybe something else. Just make sure for it to be fun.

OOC: That's just it though, I did beat the attack. My transfer completed before you started, according to the time codes in your message (the one stating the fake transfer spamming).

OOC: No, you didn't. I don't know what the time is where you are, I was using UTC as shown on jolt. There was no completed transfer at the moment.

And don't backpedal; you can only tell what happened after my post, not before.

OOC: No, you didn't. I don't know what the time is where you are, I was using UTC as shown on jolt. There was no completed transfer at the moment.

And don't backpedal; you can only tell what happened after my post, not before.

2008.01.17, 2345

With comprehensive input from countless hacked and trojaned servers in the Interwebs, James was monitoring the TSS hackers actions with great interest and awe.

"Uncreative. But effective for a good while. The Pablicostas servers are overloaded." - one of the geeks near him mentioned, gulping from his glass.
"They put into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material!" - his neighbor laughed, putting aside the mug.
"Should we kick in and rock for real?" - the first geek asked, turning towards William, a guy standing by the wall with his face obscured by a large glass bottle and heavy sunglasses, completely useless for someone whose last encounter with sunlight was eleven years ago.
"I just got another internet from our GM friends. They seem to be coping with the attack. I'm rolling." - a guy in the corner noted, typing at wild speed (because, of course, he was playing ADoM).

In this post of yours, I was already under attack by the DDoS. Assuming, for ease, that the DDoS started right at that time code, that would put the time of attack at 2345.

(OOC: I hope this won't push it in the realms of godmoding, but letting it pass the giving to Pablicosta of enough wealth to build and maintain for 5 years a force more than 75 times larger than the combined forces of all sides in World War Two isn't taken lightly. This is something like a Titan Rain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_Rain) with a large DDoS, and I won't claim they were successful in what they wanted in this post either, though hopefully they'll manage to gain enough time for some diplomats to put sense into Gun Manufacturers politicians. And no "I already know who you are!" too, too many proxies for that, but if they take more than 3 minutes and 30 seconds they can be traced back with active trace)

In this post, TSS states that the hack will take 3 minutes and 30 seconds to trace back to him. At that point, the time would be 2348:30.



It was five seconds to detection when he disconnected with a sigh of alleviation, now all that remained for them was to wait and watch. Hopefully they would be forced to temporarily disconnect from the world networks as a temporary safety measure, or hopefully someone would see the reasoning in the diplomatic message and order the cancellation of the transfer. The operation was finished, while its success or failure was yet to be seen.

The bolded part is at 2348:25, according to the posts that you and TSS have made.

The network analysts halted the attacks on the vulnerable ports as they came in. The transfer was going ahead, and the false layer on the primary network was nearly ready. Five seconds before the trace was complete, the DDoS attack stopped. It would still be another minute for the transfer to complete, however.

So, the transfer would be complete at 2349:25, according to my post. The time of the post is based on yours and TSS's posts.

2008.01.18, 0030


Four people have gathered already around Leha and Ender. - "Now, now, the first!" - one of the screens showed how 75 trillion were just wired to Pablicosta. Another. And again.

You started sending fake transfers to Pablicosta's account at 0030, just over 40 minutes after my transfer went through.

OOC: Did you assume he made ONE attack? Then it's not DDoS. A part of DDoS is that it occurs over significant time, from up to millions of computers.

Also, the 3:30 were, as I assume it, time for tracing a proxy - not the duration of entire attack! DDoS don't fall apart just because you have traced some guy; you need to do something to him to stop him, not just trace. Just detecting someone doesn't yet kill him, and DDoS is many thousands or millions of attackers (most just infected).

So how would it happen that every DDoSer would simultaneously disappear in 3:30?


What supports my explanation is:
This is something like a Titan Rain with a large DDoS, and I won't claim they were successful in what they wanted in this post either, though hopefully they'll manage to gain enough time for some diplomats to put sense into Gun Manufacturers politicians. And no "I already know who you are!" too, too many proxies for that, but if they take more than 3 minutes and 30 seconds they can be traced back with active trace)
Obviously, 3 minutes is not the time for diplomats to put in some sense into someone - it's barely enough to start a phone call.



DDoS or DoS isn't done in 3 minutes; it's Denial of Service, i.e. overloading the server so that it can't do what it's meant to for a long time. 3-minute DDoS is as good as just nothing.

OOC: Did you assume he made ONE attack? Then it's not DDoS. A part of DDoS is that it occurs over significant time, from up to millions of computers.

Also, the 3:30 were, as I assume it, time for tracing a proxy - not the duration of entire attack! DDoS don't fall apart just because you have traced some guy; you need to do something to him to stop him, not just trace. Just detecting someone doesn't yet kill him, and DDoS is many thousands or millions of attackers (most just infected).

So how would it happen that every DDoSer would simultaneously disappear in 3:30?


What supports my explanation is:

Obviously, 3 minutes is not the time for diplomats to put in some sense into someone - it's barely enough to start a phone call.



DDoS or DoS isn't done in 3 minutes; it's Denial of Service, i.e. overloading the server so that it can't do what it's meant to for a long time. 3-minute DDoS is as good as just nothing.

I had 2 networks running. He attacked with his DDoS on vulnerable 2 ports, both on the same network. I switched the transfer to the second network, while his DDoS was on the primary. It wasn't until he had 40 seconds left before he started to attack the second network, and my network analysts were ready to defend that network from the DDoS.

OOC:
The process of moving the money transfer to the secondary network slowed the transfer down, but it would be completed within 5 minutes. Then, figuring that the problem was a DDoS, the supervisor had the network analysts begin protecting vulnerable ports on the secondary network, while he began a trace for the hacker(s) responsible for the problems with the primary network.
...How did *your* blocking of ports protect the banking servers which were on the other side? It's not your servers which were attacked, but Pablicosta's. All you could do from your side is worsen the DDoS by adding your traffic.

Again, the attack wasn't on you, and it's not about the number of networks. It's about transfer from you to Pablicosta, then confirmation, etc, etc. You can't just remotely protect servers which are on the other side, and under DDoS and hack attacks (which means they're closed to your intervention as well).

All that, BTW, takes hours for a real (not fake) transfer - money of such scale can't just be stored in one bank (none could be able to give out that much when asked), they would have to be widely distributed. And each would have to be contacted, verified transfer from both sides, verified paying ability, confirmed. It's not minutes, it's not even a couple hours.



You "caught" me on timestamps (which I could just as well not use) by using erroneous impressions about what DDoS is and how long does it take to transfer valuables for a value of 75 trillion dollars - the cost of a moderately sized nation. It's where count goes on days or at least many hours.

OOC:

...How did *your* blocking of ports protect the banking servers which were on the other side? It's not your servers which were attacked, but Pablicosta's. All you could do from your side is worsen the DDoS by adding your traffic.

The young athletic man behind the computer screen then said to the others:
"Ports 40102 and 40115 are open and idle today, we already discovered a medium risk vulnerability to distributed denial of service attacks days ago, national network stats show 65% of our bandwidth power is being unused. This shall be enough for the purposes of this mission, everyone, we must target their financial networks before they manage to transfer the money to Pablicosta and hopefully we will stop them from giving nuclear weapons to terrorists for enough time for them to give up on this idiocy! While they are distracted with this, Unit 4, which studied their financial networks instead, shall attempt to exploit a loophole and gain access through their Intranet with a spoofed IP because no system is impenetable"

It was MY network that was attacked, not Pablicosta's.

OOC:
Oh dang... TSS messed up, he hit the wrong target. I hoped he knows what he's doing.
Anyway, transfer of accounts takes more than seconds or minutes - one would have lots of time to mess up, assuming some distributed network.



Really that second network and perfect luck were deus ex machina, though if you're interested in rather avoiding cyberwar, then say so.

OOC:
Oh dang... TSS messed up, he hit the wrong target. I hoped he knows what he's doing.
Anyway, transfer of accounts takes more than seconds or minutes - one would have lots of time to mess up, assuming some distributed network.



Really that second network and perfect luck were deus ex machina, though if you're interested in rather avoiding cyberwar, then say so.

Just retcon and say you attacked Pablicosta instead. Though TSS was pretty stupid in attacking GM. After all this affects the whole nation, I believe Pablicosta deserves it.

Though TSS was pretty stupid in attacking GM. After all this affects the whole nation, I believe Pablicosta deserves it.

OOC: And to risk giving a good pretext to be invaded by a nation which already wasn't in good terms with Third Spanish States after they tried to sneak a ship to offer euthanasia services to the victims of them, which would get lots of wealth soon and which "care" on the sovereignty of other nations could be as "big" as the "care" they have for human rights because they had little knowledge about their foreign policy directives would be smart? I don't think so. It's more than a question of "who deserves?", sometimes the "which diplomatic issue will be easier to fix if our boys get caught?" is a wiser choice.

OOC:
Oh dang... TSS messed up, he hit the wrong target. I hoped he knows what he's doing.
Anyway, transfer of accounts takes more than seconds or minutes - one would have lots of time to mess up, assuming some distributed network.



Really that second network and perfect luck were deus ex machina, though if you're interested in rather avoiding cyberwar, then say so.

OOC: I'll give you a point on the time to transfer of large amounts of funds. I was basing the time by what I'd seen in movies.

As to the second network, that just makes sense (to me at least) for a government to have a second network ready, in case something happens to the primary network. Regarding the "perfect luck", they got into my primary network. It's not my fault they didn't try for the secondary network until I was ready for them.

OOC:
Heh... In fact, I've forgot for a moment that I actually did start my own attack on the networks, as soon as the hackers started their operations. "You can't drink away the experience", as they say.

First, I knew you were defending and knew how:
"DDoS can't be really defeated, but at some rate can be broken through. They might be using the Arsebait tactics." Everyone looked at him with surprise, suspicion, or just smiles. - "I've overheard it at the Goatse'2007 convention from two GNAVT operatives!"

Second, there were not just one, but two immediate independent attacks from me:
2008.01.17, 2345
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- "Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Our friends are starting already, and we've found the jamkey..." - the guy, with three huge CRTs around him making his face look strangely impressive, nodded. As Ender sat down nearby on a discarded server case, pouring a misty liquid for both of them from a 3-liter glass can, they dived deep into the things mattering only to them. And everyone else in the room, of course.

Finally, I've mentioned the third attack, widely distributed and run by an elite hacker network and infected computers:
From all around the world, from the entire Cult of Dead Brahmin network, from infected computers, from the /b/, through satellites, through proxy agents in GM, through pranksters in banks themselves,[...]


Decoding. A minute after the TSS' strike, both Pablicostan and GM servers were attacked by the aforementioned Cult of Dead Brahmin friends of the hackers in post. Another minute later, by the guys on the videotape themselves started digital jamming operations. Some minutes later, an entire distributed system kicked in.

So, even if the less experienced Confederate hackers were defeated in three minutes, by that time the elite hacker network with more resources and lots of infected PCs was in place. They may have been defeated, this DDoS wasn't.
There was our attack in place, which did provide DoS and e-jam blockade.

// On why are our hackers more experienced: In Vault 10, hacking into your competitor's systems, DoSing his servers, stealing and publishing his trade secrets, destroying his network - that is almost a constitutional right. It's all legal, no laws against it, while for the ISP it's illegal to disclose your identity even to the law enforcement.




P.S. To Third Spanish States: Have you missed the ALC statement (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13375246&postcount=111)? Pablicosta isn't invading anyone. The new gov't just won't perhaps, and if the old one tries, they just won't be able to.

The Minarchist Republic of Vilikiy is interested in the acquisition of a number of hand-picked individuals, with the Republic of Vilikiy covering the costs of interviewing and deporting the individuals.

The Minarchist Republic of Vilikiy is not excessively wealthy, but is interested in a long-term trade deal with its esteemed neighbors. It in interested in the purchase of up to one million individuals to start out with followed by more ad infinitum until your supply is exhausted.

Our government is only prepared to offer 1,000 encreds per "unit," however, as there will be considerable cost in selecting, educating and deporting them.

This is, we realize, far shy of other offers received; and as your glorious nation is not interested in in the fates of sold individuals we cannot persuade you to accept our offer by virtue of our benevolent intent for them. Instead, we offer this merely as a logical negotiation and an opportunity for greater relations between our people.

As you have granted, the lowerclasses are genetically Pablicostan. This means a large minority of ethnic Pablicostans will be established within our borders, bringing with them your enriching culture and national ideas. And on an economic aside, we are not attempting to buy a bulk lot all at once. We are interested in a long-term contract with your government which will strengthen ties between us and ensure steady deportation of your undesirables.

We thank you for your interest in considering our deal and hope to hear back from your government soon.

The Minarchist Republic of Vilikiy is interested in the acquisition of a number of hand-picked individuals, with the Republic of Vilikiy covering the costs of interviewing and deporting the individuals.

The Minarchist Republic of Vilikiy is not excessively wealthy, but is interested in a long-term trade deal with its esteemed neighbors. It in interested in the purchase of up to one million individuals to start out with followed by more ad infinitum until your supply is exhausted.

Our government is only prepared to offer 1,000 encreds per "unit," however, as there will be considerable cost in selecting, educating and deporting them.

This is, we realize, far shy of other offers received; and as your glorious nation is not interested in in the fates of sold individuals we cannot persuade you to accept our offer by virtue of our benevolent intent for them. Instead, we offer this merely as a logical negotiation and an opportunity for greater relations between our people.

As you have granted, the lowerclasses are genetically Pablicostan. This means a large minority of ethnic Pablicostans will be established within our borders, bringing with them your enriching culture and national ideas. And on an economic aside, we are not attempting to buy a bulk lot all at once. We are interested in a long-term contract with your government which will strengthen ties between us and ensure steady deportation of your undesirables.

We thank you for your interest in considering our deal and hope to hear back from your government soon.

Please read the thread.

OOC:
Heh... In fact, I've forgot for a moment that I actually did start my own attack on the networks, as soon as the hackers started their operations. "You can't drink away the experience", as they say.

First, I knew you were defending and knew how:


Second, there were not just one, but two immediate independent attacks from me:


Finally, I've mentioned the third attack, widely distributed and run by an elite hacker network and infected computers:



Decoding. A minute after the TSS' strike, both Pablicostan and GM servers were attacked by the aforementioned Cult of Dead Brahmin friends of the hackers in post. Another minute later, by the guys on the videotape themselves started digital jamming operations. Some minutes later, an entire distributed system kicked in.

So, even if the less experienced Confederate hackers were defeated in three minutes, by that time the elite hacker network with more resources and lots of infected PCs was in place. They may have been defeated, this DDoS wasn't.
There was our attack in place, which did provide DoS and e-jam blockade.

// On why are our hackers more experienced: In Vault 10, hacking into your competitor's systems, DoSing his servers, stealing and publishing his trade secrets, destroying his network - that is almost a constitutional right. It's all legal, no laws against it, while for the ISP it's illegal to disclose your identity even to the law enforcement.




P.S. To Third Spanish States: Have you missed the ALC statement (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13375246&postcount=111)? Pablicosta isn't invading anyone. The new gov't just won't perhaps, and if the old one tries, they just won't be able to.

I do believe that highlighted part is godmoding.

I do believe that highlighted part is godmoding.
There's no godmoding there, besides it's an OOC post. You misunderstood me, I don't say the attack was indefeatable or wasn't defeated eventually. I refer to your post where you say our hackers' attack was too late, because the DDoS by TSS was described as defeatable in 3 minutes. Well, that DDoS.

But my attacks weren't defeated yet, because you haven't posted an IC response to them. On the IC timeline, we're still at the point where our hackers started two attacks, DDoS on Pablicosta and network routes jamming (basically DDoS at intermediate servers and sending of crash packets).



I'm not a noob, GM, I know the rules and play by them. When I say "you didn't defeat it", I only mean what I say, that you didn't post a defense - not that you can't defeat it. Just post something IC already.

There's no godmoding there, besides it's an OOC post. You misunderstood me, I don't say the attack was indefeatable or wasn't defeated eventually. I refer to your post where you say our hackers' attack was too late, because the DDoS by TSS was described as defeatable in 3 minutes. Well, that DDoS.

But my attacks weren't defeated yet, because you haven't posted an IC response to them. On the IC timeline, we're still at the point where our hackers started two attacks, DDoS on Pablicosta and network routes jamming (basically DDoS at intermediate servers and sending of crash packets).

OOC: Ah, I see.

IC: The head of network security checked with his network analysts. They had barely been keeping up with the first DDoS attack. Then the second attack started. He analyzed the situation, and came up with only one solution. "Kill the connection", he said. One of the network analysts responded with, "Sir? What about the money transfer?". "We'll take care of that after we deal with this shitstorm", the head of network security said.

The network was disconnected from the internet, and all the network computers were swept for viruses. The head of network security notified the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to let them know that the ASoGM computers were isolated from the internet, due to multiple hacker attacks. He also informed them that the money transfer to Pablicosta was aborted.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs read the file from TSS, and sighed. He agreed that giving Pablicosta that amount of money could be bad, but he, like most of the people in the ASoGM, realized that the 100 million people that were for sale needed to be saved from exploitation and abuse they would receive by the other nations bidding on them. He had to respond though, so he sent TSS a letter thanking them for the information that they presented, but the people of the ASoGM had chosen to aid the "underclass" people being sold by Pablicosta. The Minister also added that he hoped that the ASoGM's decision would not affect any current or future interaction between the ASoGM and TSS.

SOF Briefing Room
Darkly-lit, the room lent itself well to its purpose. Buried deep under the earth, guarded by meters of steel-reinforced concrete and equipped with counter-electronic measures, it was a meeting place for highly-secret mission briefings. Seated in the room were one hundred men, all of whom were at peak physical and mental condition, at the prime of their bloody careers. Several screen were centered at the front, projecting the latest spy satellite pictures with overlaid mission plans and other things.

" Gentlemen, after this briefing you will at once proceed to the two Dolphin class submarines waiting for you at Low Man's harbor. Your mission will be to insert via submarine into the nation of Pablicosta. Once there, you will silently vanquish any coastal guards and then mix yourselves into the nation. Once you have done this; rebel forces will be there to contact you. They will then take you to ALC operatives who will then brief your primary mission. No insgina allowed, speak in Russian and not German or English. Black uniforms. Basic communications gear."

The men then filed out of the room, and were lead to the armory where they loaded up heavily, equipping themselves with carbines, sniper rifles, missile launchers, mines, claymores, C4, and other goodies. Many of these operatives at been in some sort of special operations unit for at least a decade, and had been on many missions before. They would ensure that the task was complete.

As night fell, the two Dolphin submarines slipped out of their pens disguised as coves and slipped under the waves. They were some of the most stealthy submarines TPF had. They would be able to insert the special ops forces and extract if needed without being detected; and they carried cruise missiles in their VLS tubes, ready for fire support.

TPF International Airport
There were several agents, all taking a different flight out over the period of two days, making sure to take many connecting flights to make it harder to track where they came from. All six agents were from Intel Agency, and all had been supplied with well-created backgrounds and papers, ensuring that customs would give them little trouble and they would have solid cover. None had weapons or any communications devices. They would communicate when needed. Their job was also to make contact with the rebels. Their instructions had been to simply wait in the hotel rooms and wait for the contacts to arrive.

One such agent, George Orwell, arrived at his hotel. A luxurious four star, it was meant to fit in with his background as a real estate investor looking for real estate to purchase. He unpacked his luggage and took a bottle of champagne out of the minibar and turned on a porno. It was all to make him look less conspicuous to anybody looking. Still, George couldn't help but feel anxious for his upcoming mission.

A non-descript basement
It was extremely hot down in the basement, dozens of computers made it that way, though the servers they were using was in a competently different nation in a climate-controlled room. The seven men and women in this room were 'hired guns' so to speak. They had all been caught for illegal computer crimes by the Federal Police's Cyber Crime Division, and were now paying their debt to society by working for the government this way instead of building roads in one hundred degree weather. They were all laughing at the latest lulz, they had just hacked 100,000 YourSpace profiles and posted rather disturbing photos of furry-fucking on these profiles. The government didn't care what they did as long as the missions got done.

One of the members, screen name Trinity, got a new mission from the antonymous bulletin board where such missions arrived from. Taking a sip of Vodka, she got to work on finding the hackers they were suppose to contact. Their networks were strong, and they were adaptable. It took hours to finally find a small crack where she could send her message. It was really a very, very small crack, and it would be closed too. She managed to get a small picture out. They would know what it meant.

Notice from the desk of our dear leader, Kalue.
Hello! We would like to buy just one of your.. 'underclass' humans for our own purposes. You will get an above average for him, I do want him to be male. no questions will be asked, and no other nations need to be informed of this sale. What is one less free person?

OOC: Read the thread, please.

The head of network security started to set up some defenses on the networks to slow down or prevent another DDoS attack. Meanwhile, using a laptop and a cellular modem, the Minister of Foreign Affairs sent an encrypted message to Pablicosta, inquiring whether it would be possible for the ASoGM to set up an account in the same bank as the one Pablicosta would be using to receive the $75 trillion. That way, when the AsoGM transferred the money to Pablicosta, the amount of time it would take would be exceedingly short, as the bank would be able to verify the funds instantly. This would help to prevent the hackers from stopping the transfer again.

Alternatively, the ASoGM would have to make the payment in physical means, via gold or platinum.

[OOC: Praetonia isn't allied with and does not support the actions of Pablicosta.

Praetonia will veto any Kstan declaration of war on Pablicosta, however.

Praetonia will veto any Kstan government transfers to buy the Pablicostans that it is able (ie. if it required an act of parliament, it has been vetoed, if it didn't then there's nothing Praetonia can lawfully do to stop it), since Kahanistan is already pretty bankrupt itself.

My apologies for lack of an IC post about all this, but it's a busy time IRL.]

OOC: Once again I'd like to apologise for the lack of communication lately, my schedule is up in the air this week. I'm back all day today and tomorow, possibly longer so I'll be active in this thread. To those aiding the revolution, thankyou. please don't think I'm ignoring your posts, I'm going to get a reply in on that front later this afternoon.

A Message to The nation of Gun Manufacturers
Care of Senior National Network Analyst, Comrade Yvarez

At the National Network Protection Centre, we take data security very seriously. It is with this in mind that we are very concerned at the ability of some outside operatives to sabotage the recent transfer of funds from ASoGM to Pablicostan accounts using a network that was prevously thought impenetrable. I would like to offer my thanks to your network analysts and their support staff who noticed the attack and made a defense against it before terminating the transaction. Furthermore, I would like to make it clear that we at the NNPC understand taht the termination was essential and would have done the same thing, had our analysts been in such a ready position. The wheels have been set in motion to rectify this alertness problem, aswell as increasing security on the National Network to ensure this does not happen again.
To the issue in hand. It is evident that we need to take further precautions in defending the money transfer, and the suggestion of opening an account in ASoGM's name at National Bank seems the best course. However, we would like to further secure the transfer by opening 19 other identical accounts which will each transfer the sum of $75 Trillion to the National Treasury Account at National Bank. All of the payments will be verified, to ensure any prospective attackers will not be able to block the transfer, but after the money is cleared only 1 transaction will be confirmed while the remaining 19 will be instantly cancelled.
If this is suitable, we will open the accounts immediately.

As a side note, identifying the attackers has been designated a NSec 4 rating, and we are already persuing 2 strong leads to identify the operatives behind the attack. We will find those who attempted to corrupt our national systems, and we will punish them.

Notice from the desk of our dear leader, Kalue.
Hello! We would like to buy just one of your.. 'underclass' humans for our own purposes. You will get an above average for him, I do want him to be male. no questions will be asked, and no other nations need to be informed of this sale. What is one less free person?

A Message to Roflwofl Land

As the sale of 100 million units has already been confirmed, and designated high priority, we cannot confirm your order at the moment. However, if, once this transfer is complete you are still interested we will welcome your trade.

OOC: I see! Sorry. :P

OOC: Once again I'd like to apologise for the lack of communication lately, my schedule is up in the air this week. I'm back all day today and tomorow, possibly longer so I'll be active in this thread. To those aiding the revolution, thankyou. please don't think I'm ignoring your posts, I'm going to get a reply in on that front later this afternoon.

A Message to The nation of Gun Manufacturers
Care of Senior National Network Analyst, Comrade Yvarez

At the National Network Protection Centre, we take data security very seriously. It is with this in mind that we are very concerned at the ability of some outside operatives to sabotage the recent transfer of funds from ASoGM to Pablicostan accounts using a network that was prevously thought impenetrable. I would like to offer my thanks to your network analysts and their support staff who noticed the attack and made a defense against it before terminating the transaction. Furthermore, I would like to make it clear that we at the NNPC understand taht the termination was essential and would have done the same thing, had our analysts been in such a ready position. The wheels have been set in motion to rectify this alertness problem, aswell as increasing security on the National Network to ensure this does not happen again.
To the issue in hand. It is evident that we need to take further precautions in defending the money transfer, and the suggestion of opening an account in ASoGM's name at National Bank seems the best course. However, we would like to further secure the transfer by opening 19 other identical accounts which will each transfer the sum of $75 Trillion to the National Treasury Account at National Bank. All of the payments will be verified, to ensure any prospective attackers will not be able to block the transfer, but after the money is cleared only 1 transaction will be confirmed while the remaining 19 will be instantly cancelled.
If this is suitable, we will open the accounts immediately.

As a side note, identifying the attackers has been designated a NSec 4 rating, and we are already persuing 2 strong leads to identify the operatives behind the attack. We will find those who attempted to corrupt our national systems, and we will punish them.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs sent this message through the cellular modem hooked to the laptop.

To: Senior National Network Analyst, Comrade Yvarez
From: Minister of Foreign Affairs, ASoGM
Re: Money transfer

Instead, we should put amounts of $3.75 trillion in each of the 20 accounts, as the ASoGM doesn't have enough money to open 20 accounts of $75 trillion each. Once all 20 accounts are open with $3.75 trillion each, they can be transferred to you. Since it would be in the same bank, the bank could even disconnect from the internet during that time, in order to prevent a cyber-attack.

We are also sending over what trace data we had from the first DDoS attack.

OOC: Wait a bit.
BTW, thanks for responding, Pablicosta.

I'm caught in a time-restricted moment right now, and we (me, TPF, Vetaka) have some plans, so don't proceed yet with the funds transfer. Keep in mind that since the money are not in paper, you can't just fly in, come into the bank and open the account. You'll need some way to connect to it, and some way to, well, put the money into that bank. Effectively it doesn't change much, to think of it, just that the longest step becomes transferring valuables to own account in another bank - but in an electronically semi-blockaded nation.

You can proceed with preparing the 100 million people to transit, though, and vessels to do that - that's no smaller task, and possibly even greater.

Also, JFYI, I'm not letting the transfer go perfectly smoothly. Their bank is currently a target for three nations, in one of which hacking is almost a constitutional right (see the first post here for some detail (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1949), ignore the sarcasm). It won't stall at that as simply, but will be intervened.
Also, check your TG (to both ASoGM and Pablicosta).


I'll make some very brief IC notes of what's been going on. It picks up right after my last post, so some time has passed since then.

The Royal, A hotel in Pablicosta City.

The hotel lobby was a little shabby, and you certainly wouldn't think it to be the grandest hotel in Pablicosta. It had once been elegant and wonderful, that was clear, but now the marble pillars were faded and chipped, the revolving entrance needed a solid shove to enter and the lifts hadn't worked for 2 years. Behind the main desk stood just 3 people, all wearing black uniforms, only slightly different from the workers uniform that every citizen had to wear. One of them, a male by the name of Comrade Church, picked up the phone behind the desk and dialed a short number, it was answered almost immediately.
"Comrade Duke, it's time for a check on the 12th floor. Comrade Yvette will be accompanying me, please occupy the front desk". After a few moments the handset was replaced and a door behind the desk opened. Comrade Duke, a short man with a roughed up look about him emerged and took a seat at the desk as Church and Yvette left the desk area and headed to the stair well.
Once they had cleared the first flight of stairs they felt safe to begin conversation, quietly. Yvette, a young, dark haired woman with a slightly stocky build looked up at Church and asked; "What room did you assign him?". Church turned and met here eyes as he replied, "1221, the guards never check the end of that corridor. It's got to be the safest room in this place, right by the fire escape and it overlooks other buildings if he needs to jump."
The conversation was silenced by the sound of a door 2 floors above them opening, and it remained so until the pair stood outside the door number 12 1. The second '2' had evidently been stolen or had fallen off, each was as probable as the other.
Church raised his hand to the door and knocked. Twice, pause, Twice, pause, once, pause, once. The door opened quickly and the pair moved inside quickly, maintaining the guise of a room check in case an over eager guard wandered down this way, "Any illegal material on your person or in your room Sir?" Yvette called firmly and loudly, "No? Well, I'm going to have to search you anyway." Church was next to speak as he looked hard into the man's eyes and whispered "Sorry/" before pushing the man firmly against the wall so Yvette could perform a 'search'. It was as she patted Ash down that she slipped a piece of paper into his trouser pocked, one of the most important pieces of paper in all of Pablicosta.
After a few more moments of noise making and falsities Comrades Church and Yvette left the room and began to descend the stairs back to the front desk, leaving Ash to read the note.


Comrade,
Thank you for joining our cause. We are meeting tomorrow evening at Headquarters, you must be there, it begins then.
It is not safe to travel after 4pm with the curfew, so follow these instructions carefully.
Wear the citizens overalls that are in your wardrobe, they'll help you avoid being spotted.
Leave your room at 3:20pm and leave the hotel through the staff exit, it's at the end of the 1st floor corridor. The guards will be busy on the ground floor with a disturbance we have arranged, so you must be hasty.
Once you are on the street, join the crowd of commuters and head straight ahead. Cross 2 roads and turn left at the 3rd. There is an alley 50 yards down this road, take it and go through the door on your right. This is an operatives apartment with access to an old subway line which is no longer used or monitored, enter it and head South. There is a door 500 yards on your left, marked with 3 'Ps'. Knock on the door in the fashion we showed you, it will open.
You must memorize these instructions, it is not safe to look at them once you are out of the room. Memorize them as soon as possible, then destroy them.
Good luck, comrade.


In hotels across the city a similar note had been given to each operative who had arrived to help the revolution, and tomorrow night they would meet, and begin the road to revolution.

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The Pablicostan Shore

The only dock in Pablicosta was here, at the only coast in Pablicosta. It was only 2 miles long, and every inch of it was occupied by mammoth docks and, currently, mammoth ships. The size of the ships was almost unfathomable, and the sound of their engines as they pulled out to sea was deafening. The rear cargo doors, which constituted almost the entirety of the rear of the ship, remained open on just one vessel and into it. The door, a 50m long, 100m wide beast, was layed flat to allow trucks to enter the dark bowels of the ship. Each tuck carried only 100 Underclass units, where they unloaded was entirely out of view from the dock.
At 12:32 pm the final truck left the final ship of the first shipment, delivering it's cargo to make the round number of 100,000 units stowed away on board the vessel. The huge door rose slowly, 25 minutes from start to finish and it was locked securely from the outside before the massive diesel engine gave an earth shaking roar as she headed to join the fleet a mile out to sea. The 10 massive tankers dwarfed the Naval escort which would protect them en-route, 30 further ships which flanked the tankers.

It was not until 8:30pm that the convoy began to move again, heading out on specially selected channels toward ASoGM where they would unload, turn around and do it all again 9 times.

(OOC: I can't resist this... really)

As a side note, identifying the attackers has been designated a NSec 4 rating, and we are already persuing 2 strong leads to identify the operatives behind the attack. We will find those who attempted to corrupt our national systems, and we will punish them.

"Hey, it's almost time to leave, so why not?", asked the hacker as he annexed a 4chan meme to a fake header e@mail message which was also to be sent through another chain of anonymous proxies. He took his last 2 hours to devise a way to simply sneak it through there.

"If you want to... have fun!", the other hacker at his side replied as he left back to his home.

Soon he started to type some commands on the screen as an anonymous untraceable e@mail arrived to Pablicosta's government, containing only the following image as an annex:

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/images/c/c9/Good_Luck_I%27m_Behind_7_Proxies.jpg

The man then shut down the computer and went back to his home with a large grin.

National Network Protection Centre, Site 3

Every analysts at Site 3 had been assigned the same case, find out who the hell infiltrated the secure network. The underground tower complex was buzzing with the extra workload as 5,000 security specialists tapped into every source they could obtain to find the culprits, but at least they had some good leads. It was considered a dead certainty that the attack must have started in either Vault10 or Third Spanish States, designated B1 and B2 respectively as intel had filtered through from the far reaching networks of Pablicosta to show that B1 & B2 had both attempted to stop the sale and even physically sabotage it.
All traffic to and from both nations was being monitored intensively, even meteorological reports were scrutinized by analysts. Every e-mail, bank transaction, secure log-in and IM conversation was being meticulously logged for analysis, when an e-mail containing a suspicious image arrived in a private Pablicostan e-mail account. By default every file entering the Pablicostan network had to be approved, so the email and it's attached file were being held on a secure network, away from the National Security Network.
A Senior Analyst was first to read the message, and immediately triggered his alert button which summoned his team of 50 expert analysts to look at the file.
"Find out where it's from, fast. 1 minute, go."
The analysts, and the Senior, turned back to their screens and began tracing the proxy server used, accessing its open sources and retrieving all IP addresses. They moved quickly, efficiently and made it through 3 proxy servers before running out of time on NetStat tables.
The IP reports were analysed by computer and almost immediately flashed up 2 repeated IP addresses.
"Okay, good. Compare it with the data we got from (ASo)GM earlier, see if we get a match. If it's there, we're busting these boys tonight!" shouted the Senior Analyst eagerly as his team again went about running IP calls to servers and comparing their gathered info with the GM data. It was limited, ASoGM hadn't been expecting to be hit, but it gave them 1 matched IP address. An IP address registered to an ISP in Third Spanish States.

The head of network security for the ASoGM had his staff set up as many anti-hacking measures as they could, and secured as many ports as possible. The primary network was back online as the frontline network. It had 2 different connections to share and balance the server load, and had a separate emergency block of IP addresses set aside in case of attack. The secondary server had 2 different connections from the primary network, and also had an emergency block of IP addresses set aside. Switches were added to provide rate limiting, traffic shaping, delayed binding (TCP splicing), deep packet inspection and Bogon filtering, while application front end hardware was connected ahead of the servers.They re-connected the servers to the internet, but did not attempt any sort of activity. They were waiting to see if the hackers had noticed that they were back online.

As the ASoGM carrier task force waited in international waters approximately 20 miles from the coast of Pablicosta, Admiral Block sent an encrypted radio message to Pablicosta announcing their arrival.

As promised, the brief IC notes on what's been going on. Picks up right after my last post, so some time has passed since then.

IC:

Somewhere over the Interwebs
VT-012-015-060
[ Necropolis, Vault 12, level 15, compartment 60 ]
789m below sea level
+20.5 degrees Celsius, 45% humidity, 0.6 millirad/hour
Early summer, light breeze
2008.01.18, 0210

"This will be one hundred and fifty caps." - Matt, the local god of quality drink, told James.
"Ah. Yes, here" - James almost got hypnotized by the posters all around the wall.

He walked out the Matt's Liquors shop, with a large military backpack full of Gin. Suddenly, two people, a man and a woman, both in very officially looking suits, ran past him. He jumped into a niche in the walkway, face to the wall, to protect the gin. As they ran past, he noticed their guns - nothing usual in being openly armed, but their weapons weren't any like his old pistol; shiny new guns, of a kind he recalled seeing in the Weapons News recently.
James proceeded home. Or followed them, because it was the same direction. To the elevator - they were in the right, he jumped to the left, exercising care. Level 15...14...13...12...11...10...9... As he came out, he saw them ahead; an interesting coincidence. It was hard to keep up with a backpack so heavy, so in the end he lost them and just ran to their compartment.

The noise of a door opening - their door, there could be no mistake - alerted him. Carefully, to keep the gin quiet, he approached, and started listening...



Ocean
2100 nmi from the Pablicostan coast
Sea level
+3.5 degrees Celsius, 100% humidity
Whole gale, windspeed 28m/s
2008.01.18, 0830
Mudskipper class hydroplane "Tundra Beaver", Hull 58205

Graphical representation (by Hogsweat/Questers) (http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd172/Hoodtan/MSkipper.png)
Technical detail (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=988)

The light fiberglass hatch was smashed into the deck by the wind as soon as Anthony opened the lock. He climbed the ladder, and carefully, holding the railing, went to the radar tower, resting his back on its face. Normally he valued his health, but the storm wasn't of the kind where the radars are of any use anyway. Even the radio antenna, designed to withstand wind strength 9, was broken.
It was cold outside, and 50-knot wind adding to boat's own speed almost sent him flying, but that was better than vomiting in the tiny ship smaller than the waves throwing it around.

Four hours ago, they received a mayday. The passenger/cargo liner HMS Hataria was wrecked by the waves 1200 miles from the coast. What was worse, they had to find the wreck, not just the survivors - the classified intelligence reports told the liner, which their rapid reaction force was initially sent to intercept, carried illegal chemical weapons, which could poison the ocean streams, causing diplomatic outbreak, if breached. But neither their small boats, nor the carrier and cruiser force behind could do anything.

With a sigh, Anthony pulled the roll of wire Peter handed him through the hatch, fastened it securely, connected one end to the antenna remains and just let the other loose. The wind caught the wire and sent it into the sky just like a kite.
"......ority! All UFAN vessels in range of 3 day reach, respond immediately! High priority!" - now their own ships were transmitting a mayday signal, calling for help.

"Hey!" - Peter was screaming at him. "Anthony!!" - he shot the pistol upwards, finally catching his attention. "We've got incoming message from The Peoples Freedom Navy! Get down here!"


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The ASoGM carrier task force heard the mayday that was broadcast over the radio, but their orders were to stay put until the convoy from Pablicosta got moving. Admiral Block wasn't going to take the chance that this was a decoy to lure them away from protecting the soon to be free Pablicostan undesirables.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs sent an encrypted message to Pablicosta, suggesting that the transfer of people begin before another cyber attack could begin, and before nations got ships into position to block the convoy. There was also a suggestion that the ASoGM provide some cargo ships, modified for passengers, to transport the people as well.

Meanwhile, the ASoGM waited for a reply from Pablicosta about the transfer idea that was suggested in response to a previous idea.

OOC: Need to make this brief, I'm heading to work in a few minutes.

IC:

Onboard Elite Merchant Navy # 4711, Ulysses Class Super transport

... repeat, order number 284, all vessels proceed at speed to vector alpha. Hold formation.

The commanding voice emanated from the Bridge and deck tannoy systems aboard every ship in the fleet. The barrage wall 2 miles out to sea had been opened for a brief window to allow the massive convoy to pass. If the roar from the engines at dockside had been loud, the noise made when ten of the Super Diesel Engines fired up to maximum RPM would be unfathomable. From one of the raised deck-side gun emplacements 2 of the Naval guards who had the job of signalmen today set up for a long shift. One would use binoculars to scan the horizon while the other sat by the alert system which consisted of flairs, a siren and a spotlight.

At 9:30pm the convoy cleared Pablicostan Sea Defences and moved into open water, at a considerable rate of knots for a cargo fleet. Darkness had closed in around the ships, and aside from the bridge lights the only way to reckon where another was was by the sound of the engine. At night it was also harder to do your job as a crewman aboard one of the Ulysses units, as Naval orders had deemed the 100ft deck to water fall too much of a risk, so every crew member on deck had to attach themselves to a length of bungee chord, which in turn held them to the ships railings.

The night was uneventful, aside from the temporary loss of power aboard one of the supporting cruisers which was quickly alleviated allowing the fleet to remain in formation and on track. This would be a 4 day venture though, and the coming nights were not expected to be as calm as the first.

A mayday signal was picked up by the support fleet early in the morning, but they did not deviate from course. Any captain who deliberately left the given route on this mission had been guaranteed an early morning visit from the firing squad. Instead the captain of Support #101, the lead cruiser, issued an alert to the shore operators, who decided that the best course of action would be to provide some air support for the vessels, and to investigate the may day this way.

National Network Protection Centre, Site 3

A message from ASoGM flashed on the Network managers screen, explaining a potential plan. A good plan at that. Hans, the network manager issued a simple one word response before briefing his people and calling the bank. It read, "Yes".

OOC: Need to make this brief, I'm heading to work in a few minutes.

IC:

Onboard Elite Merchant Navy # 4711, Ulysses Class Super transport

... repeat, order number 284, all vessels proceed at speed to vector alpha. Hold formation.

The commanding voice emanated from the Bridge and deck tannoy systems aboard every ship in the fleet. The barrage wall 2 miles out to sea had been opened for a brief window to allow the massive convoy to pass. If the roar from the engines at dockside had been loud, the noise made when ten of the Super Diesel Engines fired up to maximum RPM would be unfathomable. From one of the raised deck-side gun emplacements 2 of the Naval guards who had the job of signalmen today set up for a long shift. One would use binoculars to scan the horizon while the other sat by the alert system which consisted of flairs, a siren and a spotlight.

At 9:30pm the convoy cleared Pablicostan Sea Defences and moved into open water, at a considerable rate of knots for a cargo fleet. Darkness had closed in around the ships, and aside from the bridge lights the only way to reckon where another was was by the sound of the engine. At night it was also harder to do your job as a crewman aboard one of the Ulysses units, as Naval orders had deemed the 100ft deck to water fall too much of a risk, so every crew member on deck had to attach themselves to a length of bungee chord, which in turn held them to the ships railings.

The night was uneventful, aside from the temporary loss of power aboard one of the supporting cruisers which was quickly alleviated allowing the fleet to remain in formation and on track. This would be a 4 day venture though, and the coming nights were not expected to be as calm as the first.

A mayday signal was picked up by the support fleet early in the morning, but they did not deviate from course. Any captain who deliberately left the given route on this mission had been guaranteed an early morning visit from the firing squad. Instead the captain of Support #101, the lead cruiser, issued an alert to the shore operators, who decided that the best course of action would be to provide some air support for the vessels, and to investigate the may day this way.

National Network Protection Centre, Site 3

A message from ASoGM flashed on the Network managers screen, explaining a potential plan. A good plan at that. Hans, the network manager issued a simple one word response before briefing his people and calling the bank. It read, "Yes".

The ASoGM carrier task force picked up the convoy on radar. The order was given to launch the fighter CAP, and soon 12 F18s were in the air. While the task force oriented itself to the convoy's heading, Admiral Block sent a message to the convoy, notifying them where the ASoGM task force would rendezvous with them.

Meanwhile, the head of network security for the ASoGM networks gave the OK to start sending the transfers, one at a time. The bank was contacted to get the account numbers, and the first transfer was started. All the syber defenses were online, so hopefully things would go smoothly.

The first $3.75 trillion dollar money transfer had not yet hit any snags, and as soon as it was complete, and assuming the cyber attacks hadn't resumed, the second transfer would progress.

Somewhere in the Ocean
" Sir, we are receiving a transmission from ALC vessels in the general area. 110 klicks out or so. Requesting assistance." The young ensign also looked in the direction of the local naval intelligence officer who promptly went over to his station. He printed out a copy of the confidential information that came from the ALC vessel and handed over to Admiral Grimace whom was in charge on Eighth Fleet. He wasn't too keen on moving the entire fleet to assist, but he had also been watching the news about the ongoing slave crisis and he wouldn't be surprised if there were ulterior motives at hand...

As the fleet switched course and direction, several Kingsmen class helicopters took off from their pads and headed towards the wreckage, accompanying them were six of TPF's own Mudskipper hydroplanes. They would be the first to arrive on the scene until the fleet arrived roughly six hours later.

Somewhere inside enemy lands

" All accounts set up for with the rebels. Sending data to hackers over encrypted email."

OOC: Orbat
x8 Carrier Strike Groups:
10x Mudskipper class hydroplanes
8x Robinson class general purpose frigates
4x Taylor class destroyers
3x Norris class anti-aircraft destroyers
4x Town Class Air Defense Cruisers
4x Heg Cruisers
2x Ajax class battleships
1x Triumphant class carrier
2x Okinawa class escort carriers
2x Iwo Jima class Amphibious Assault ships

OOC: Just an FYI to TPF, Pablicosta only has 2 miles of coastline, so if you're planning anything other than sinking the convoy ships I don't see any real reason for dispatching such a large naval force. And if you are planning to engage the convoy, such a large dispatch would be easy to spot, and surely the Pablicostan's would lose, but not before triggering the sinking mechanism on each cargo ship.

OOC: Actually, being easy to spot is the point - our fleets are there for the show (though of course they're just searching for a shipwreck). Have you read my second TG? If no, check it now. It explains a lot. (And reply, it's important)

BTW, what country is between you and the coastline in other places?



P.S. I'll reply to TPF's post soon, with the hacker part. In short - but you don't know this IC - his agents together with the rebels have infiltrated your banking system.

We have limited funding available. Sadly, we can not pay hundreds of thousands of dollars per individual. However, we support any effort to free these slaves, as long as it does not violate human rights in turn. We hope this will not escalate into a larger conflict. In the mean time, we offer a symbolic 500000 dollars to each free and humanitarian nation which incurs losses as a result of freeing these victims of tyrany as a show of support.

Signed: Human Rights Council, Chief Administrator's Office.

The first $3.75 trillion dollar transfer was nearly complete. The head of network security got the second transfer prepped to start the moment that the first transfer completed. There was still no new attacks from the hackers, and network activity was well within operating parameters.

OOC: Just an FYI to TPF, Pablicosta only has 2 miles of coastline, so if you're planning anything other than sinking the convoy ships I don't see any real reason for dispatching such a large naval force. And if you are planning to engage the convoy, such a large dispatch would be easy to spot, and surely the Pablicostan's would lose, but not before triggering the sinking mechanism on each cargo ship.

OOC: Don't forget that my carrier task force (3 battlegroups) are there as well. If TPF were to engage the convoy, he'd have to deal with me as well, so hopefully that deters him.

OOC: Please, read the TG I've sent already! It explains a lot.
[ As Pablicosta already knows, I'll say in the open ]
*This is not known to any of you IC, not a hint - it's for OOC understanding of what we're doing*
No one is going to really attack the convoy, except maybe launch fireworks for the show. We're UFAN, the cutting edge of Civilization, not some barbarians. These forces are intended for *you* to use as a diplomatic leverage to force Pablicosta to send out the people not waiting for when the entire money are transferred.
Because the hackers working with the rebels and the infiltrators are going to use some other flaws in the system in order to help the revolution. And if it pisses off the government against V10 and ALC (we'll take the blame), only the better.
Also, the sunken ship is of course a pretext to get TPF here clearly.
*This is not known to any of you IC, not a hint - it's for OOC understanding of what we're doing*


What is known to you: There's also a part of the ALC fleet nearby. As usual, three dozen heavy supply vessels, with all aligned carriers, light supply vessels, Type 29 and 27 (by agreement with Hogsweat), NCR subs, and lots of Mudkips (they're the staple of our Navy, cheap and powerful).
They are the main threat. I think it would be fun to play a naval battle with the new toy, to prove better that if you don't liek Mudkips, they will liek you - but not now. Now we're here searching for survivors from HMS Hataria. The story of which isn't entirely true, because who would sail on a ship so named, but both we and TPF have a legal reason and a good explanation to be here. Well, really we don't need a reason to loiter more than 24 miles from Pablicostan coast, let alone hundreds of miles, as we're in full right. But if we need to come closer, we have an explanation.

OOC: If any hackers are going to make an attack on the first transfer into my accounts in Pablicosta, they better do it soon. Also, has anyone seen Pablicosta?

Somewhere over the Interwebs
VT-012-009-034
[ Necropolis, Vault 12, level 9, compartment 34 ]
742.5m below sea level
+18 degrees Celsius, 20% humidity
2008.01.18, 0220


Two people in strict black suits walked into the room.
"Whaa-?" - William was rising out of his drunken state. - "Who..."
"The government." - the man responded quickly.
"What damn gov-ent? Since when?"
Eyes were looking at him.
"Oh crap, you stop reading news for a year, and the next thing you know, they've installed some *bleep*ing government!" - the corner guy said.
The woman quickly opened the large black briefcase, and passed them some papers. A lot of papers. Enough not to bother reading.
Fortunately, it wasn't needed. "That's not the point." - she said, - "We have a job for you, and it's just about what you are doing right now."
William stared at her in surprise for a moment, then realized it wasn't about drinking. "Oh. The second thing we're doing..."


2008.01.18, 0225

The man was talking as they downloaded data from his laptop.
"So, here's the entire transmission between G. to their bank accounts in P. Insider job, detail unimportant."
"And the proper account, I see, you already know. Right?" - the woman noted, looking at one of the computers.
"So the task is simple. Take a look at the transmission now. Soon, another one will start. We got our server in the chain. You will need to change the detail on the fly."
... - "On the fly? From here?" - Ender asked suspiciously.
"Their networks are still under constant attacks. Lag is long enough to throw the data here and there, make the corrections. At same time, Dead Brahmin will make a fake transfer to the *wrong* account, so everything seems smooth." - the man replied confidently.
They went for a while with detail, while Ender turned back to the computer, paying more attention to the screen.

Leha nodded as he was reading through the data. "William, put down samogon nafig and come help me, mat' tvoyu. Your time has come."


"...Need I remind you this is strictly confidential?" - The man closed up, his face growing quickly - as his blurry hand pressed something with a click, and everything faded to black.





P.S. OOC: Pablicosta, am I correct in assuming you are roughly like a Western world country (perhaps a totalitarian, but still), and that the rebellion has sufficient support in the society?

OOC: Long time no reply.... ASoGM, Pablicosta, wake up!

OOC: I had to work the past couple of days, so I couldn't post (I couldn't even think straight after work). Also, Pablicosta's last post was on this thread over 5 days ago.

IC: The first bank transfer finally went through. The second one was started as soon as the first was verified received by the bank. The head of network security was hopeful that the attacks on the ASoGM systems were finally done with.

OOC: Still nothing from Pablicosta?

IC: The second transfer was still going smoothly, and the network people were happy. This was just money being shifted from ASoGM account to ASoGM account however, and the real test would come when the money would be transferred to the Pablicostans.

OOC: Pablicosta's last reply was 8 days ago, and the last nation activity he's had was 7 days ago. Unless he shows up in the next few days, I'm considering this RP dead.

I hate it when people quit. It's how most RPs fall apart - because the starter lacks determination to actually go on with it... Though it's not always a choice.