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OOC Thread for this one:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13358571#post13358571

Here we discuss the ooc stuff.

I have a character named "Marvel" who is a turned demon--specifically, a modified Red Gargoyle demon. May he participate in this RP?

I've published basic information on him in multiple threads, most notably "Fantasy Nations Come Here," but will be glad to do so again if you like.

Please do.

Note, if he is accepted, he would be attacked on sight. The Templar don't have the luxury of determining friendly demons, as he'd be the first.

I will be participating with a single ship that had the Arcane eminations detected and leading them to the planet.

How many ships would you want me to bring in? I will make that completely up to you.

I am going to bring in one battlestar, looking for a new base of operations outside Colonial space since Kobol has been comprimised (and it's high death toll)

That is fine OG.

And I think we worked out that problem, Balrogga on MSN.

I have no problem with WinTrees being there first. I was sitting out in the Oort Cloud running diagnostics for a while but I was also typing my post up for a while and talking with the OP over MSN setting up things.

Like I said, it doen't matter to me if you were at the planet first. That is why I went to the opposite side.

I am assuming you access the network satelites yourself until you contact me and say something different, or do you want me to contact you first?



I spoke with the OP and determined the total size of the forces I will bring in. He wants me to have a maximum ground force of 300 Ta'Nar. For this I will recrew another destroyer and send it in when I have an IC reason to do so. That means I will have a second Destroyer arriving when it is appropriate ICly to do so. The crews will equalize and the two ships will remain in orbit to keep orbital superority in case someone tries to help the unknown demons I have yet to discover ICly.

Ah good stuff. If you want to contact me that'll work better then me suddenly finding you.

I just found this thread and I have a few questions.

Firstly, I'm assuming that those who arrive are "aliens" since according to your plotline humanity never quite got into space.

Secondly, this means we can play whatever we want (within reason) when we step in?

Thirdly, I'm an author, and I wouldn't mind putting a hand in, if you'd like the help. However, from your intro, you seem to have planned this out very well, and I look forward to seeing what will happen. I'll wait for a response here prior to posting in the main thread.

I just found this thread and I have a few questions.

Firstly, I'm assuming that those who arrive are "aliens" since according to your plotline humanity never quite got into space.

Secondly, this means we can play whatever we want (within reason) when we step in?

Thirdly, I'm an author, and I wouldn't mind putting a hand in, if you'd like the help. However, from your intro, you seem to have planned this out very well, and I look forward to seeing what will happen. I'll wait for a response here prior to posting in the main thread.

1. Yes, they would be. As long as you aren't hostile, they won't hurt you. They'll mistrust you at first, but if you aid them, they'll become friendly soon enough.

2. Define "Whatever you want" exactly. I am unsure of what you are asking.

3. If you want, I'd love the help. I am not so arrogant to think I am better than to take ideas. Throw me a TG, and we'll see what we can come up with. I'd enjoy letting you in on my little story. ^^

1. Yes, they would be. As long as you aren't hostile, they won't hurt you. They'll mistrust you at first, but if you aid them, they'll become friendly soon enough.

2. Define "Whatever you want" exactly. I am unsure of what you are asking.

3. If you want, I'd love the help. I am not so arrogant to think I am better than to take ideas. Throw me a TG, and we'll see what we can come up with. I'd enjoy letting you in on my little story. ^^

1. My races tend to be neutral overall, but when the situation dicatates, they'll make what alliances they need.

2. Are you opposed to a "race" comprised of several different species that work in cooperation? My intention was to use a race I've had in tabletop rps called the Ga'al. There are seven main species, all anthropomorphic animals. I can give you their history if need be. (I'm a furry, so sue me, but one of the good ones, I think)

3. Will do! =^.^= As soon as the server comes back up...

1.Understood.

2. Sure. In their minds, any help they can get, within reason, they would accept. Humanity is walking the fine line between existing and extinction. Any help is good help.

3. I'll be waiting. ^^

Note, the weaponry of the Ga'al is a bit odd due to the race they're fighting.

Command Pistol: Standard focused energy laser pistol. effective range 30m
Las-carbine: Standard focused energy, rapid fire laser carbine, with variable settings for precision shots or wide dispersal fire effective range 300m
Sonic Pulse Rifle: Focused sound projection device; it fires a widening arc of sonic vibrations capable of shattering bone. It can also be set to a more focused blast, effective range 100m wave, 150m blast
Sniper Rifle: The only "slug thrower" weapon still in use, it fires variable rounds from armor piercing to acid burst to high explosive.
Quantum Stress Cannon: Normally vehicularly mounted, these powerful weapons are also carried by Dracons as heavy support. An integrated targetting system is require to make effective use of this weapon. The core generators focus quantum stresses at a specified point, creating a miniature singularity. When the stress is released, it creates and expansion wave, quickly followed by a compression wave as space time stretches and realligns to its previous configuration. The downside to use of this weapon is that it takes several minutes to recharge from a single firing and is capable of focusing space in an area no larger than a five meter diameter. Its general purpose is as an antipersonel weapon. This weapon has been shown to effectively destroy most forms of solid matter, and was banned from use for several centuries prior to the recent invasion, and even now is rarely used, effective range varriable reliant upon sensors and targetting capabilities.

Scout Kit: (1) Standard Laser Pistol, (1) Handheld Scanner, (6) Grenades (2 Flashbang, 2 Incendiary, 2 Sonic), (10) Tracking Beacons, (1) Medkit, (5) Laser Weapon Battery Packs (Pistol and Carbine compatible), Binoculars (200x maximum magnification, effective 1km range)

Environmental Suit: Doubling as body armor, it is capable of disipating most kinetic damage from projectiles, falls, or other impacts. Fiber optic strands are woven through to help dissipate laser fire as well, though this works with varying effectiveness. It is thick, durable, air tight, and capable of withstanding temperatures of up to 300 degrees celcius (the occupant is not garaunteed to survive)

Edit: Also, were you going to whittle it down to a person or two from each group? So I can pick who I want to survive most, is the only reason I ask. I've got a few favorites already, and some cannon fodder lined up.

Not many are going to die in the group. One or two, then they'll be saved.

Also, are you using the actual London as a map for this? If so, and I'm reading it correctly, the Captain should be able to see the skirmish down the road. They were only half a mile apart.

Yes, and yes.

I apologize for not posting.

Over the weekend I put in 40 hours at work. Long days and little sleep makes it diffacult to post.

I will try to get something posted and catch up with others today or tomorrow at the latest.

This looks interesting. Here's the deal though. I also have a bit of a fantasy/sci-fi mix. Now, the big thing that my guys have over humanity is the ability to shape metal with their minds. And, in seven documented cases, reside in solid shells of various metals when they die. I'm not going to claim to have palladium or any such thing(though it wouldn't be a far stretch, being as palladium is a naturally occurring element, it's also a precious metal, which rules it out at the moment as being one of the Blood Dragons). I was more curious if my Setians inherent ability to work metal would bypass the eldritch forge requirement and allow me to re-equip my survivors with appropriately sized weapons with little fuss. I should also note that they are telempathic, and have a tendency towards arcane ability, mostly in the realms D&D would refer to as Evocation and Conjuration.

I'd be wandering in with say 10 guys by pure accident in the course of a planetary survey. I can write off 7 of them straight up, though I have specific plans for a couple that I'd like to hash out with you on MSN.

While I am not the Original Poster, shaping metal is vastly different than forging something using Eldritch abilities. The "shaped metal" weapons (melted and formed into bullets, blades, ect...) we brought are not harming them in the slightest. Eldritch Forging implies the use of great and ancient magic to imbue supernatural abilities into the objects.

I also think the Palladium he is using is not the real life element but probably a magical equivalent. I know this whole RP was based upon the Hellgate game (for those too oblivious to realize it or missed the first post).

Remember, these are just my opinions and I might be completely wrong so we can wait for Templum Aedes to give us his own opinion.

While I am not the Original Poster, shaping metal is vastly different than forging something using Eldritch abilities. The "shaped metal" weapons (melted and formed into bullets, blades, ect...) we brought are not harming them in the slightest. Eldritch Forging implies the use of great and ancient magic to imbue supernatural abilities into the objects.

I also think the Palladium he is using is not the real life element but probably a magical equivalent. I know this whole RP was based upon the Hellgate game (for those too oblivious to realize it or missed the first post).

Remember, these are just my opinions and I might be completely wrong so we can wait for Templum Aedes to give us his own opinion.

Everything a setian makes has at least some form of life to it. It may not be any offensive enchantment, but their weapons have, shall we say, souls? Their guns would be next to useless(except maybe to create terrain obstacles), but their melee weapons may or may not be able to do some damage, at his discretion. I've never played Hellgate(yet), but the way he said it implied that the forge was required to work it, not necessarily to imbue it with properties beyond the mundane.

Given that line of thought, my Kythons should be able to go to house on them because they are alive, as well as those humans and other races down there.

It sounds like you need magical weaponry to harm the magical demons. The Forge might give the enchantment we all need to kick ass.


*wonders if the survivors would take my ITH Mastercard to pay for enhancing weapons*

This looks interesting. Here's the deal though. I also have a bit of a fantasy/sci-fi mix. Now, the big thing that my guys have over humanity is the ability to shape metal with their minds. And, in seven documented cases, reside in solid shells of various metals when they die. I'm not going to claim to have palladium or any such thing(though it wouldn't be a far stretch, being as palladium is a naturally occurring element, it's also a precious metal, which rules it out at the moment as being one of the Blood Dragons). I was more curious if my Setians inherent ability to work metal would bypass the eldritch forge requirement and allow me to re-equip my survivors with appropriately sized weapons with little fuss. I should also note that they are telempathic, and have a tendency towards arcane ability, mostly in the realms D&D would refer to as Evocation and Conjuration.

I'd be wandering in with say 10 guys by pure accident in the course of a planetary survey. I can write off 7 of them straight up, though I have specific plans for a couple that I'd like to hash out with you on MSN.



Well, you can shape the metal itself, but palladium not worked by an Eldritch forge is only very hard and can take lots of heat. It needs to be worked in an eldritch forge to get the magical additions, as well as become an alloy in the other metals of the suits and weapons they wield.

Explain to me a bit more about these Evocation and Conjuration abilities.

Everything a setian makes has at least some form of life to it. It may not be any offensive enchantment, but their weapons have, shall we say, souls? Their guns would be next to useless(except maybe to create terrain obstacles), but their melee weapons may or may not be able to do some damage, at his discretion. I've never played Hellgate(yet), but the way he said it implied that the forge was required to work it, not necessarily to imbue it with properties beyond the mundane.
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What do you mean your weapons have souls? Explain to me about these weapons.


Yes, Bal, pretty much supernatural abilities, or magical, like the Warp, my Arcana, etc, are needed to hurt them. Also, if you can make an exchange rate into palladium, I'm sure we can work it out. ^^

Well, you can shape the metal itself, but palladium not worked by an Eldritch forge is only very hard and can take lots of heat. It needs to be worked in an eldritch forge to get the magical additions, as well as become an alloy in the other metals of the suits and weapons they wield.

Explain to me a bit more about these Evocation and Conjuration abilities.



What do you mean your weapons have souls? Explain to me about these weapons.


Yes, Bal, pretty much supernatural abilities, or magical, like the Warp, my Arcana, etc, are needed to hurt them. Also, if you can make an exchange rate into palladium, I'm sure we can work it out. ^^


One requirement of any officer in the setian military is some mastery of summoning, either of things(animals, crud, other crud), or of elements(ye olde fireball, ye olde eye bleeding plane of $energy, et al).

Whenever a Setian forges a weapon, due to the manner in which it is forged, it takes part of the forger with it. Quite often this part is incredibly hostile to anything that isn't the forger. The effects manifest differently, but often include additional injuries from heat, cold, or even in a few memorable cases, radiation, among other effects.

Well, the fireball may work. It wouldn't do a whole lot of damage, but it would do something.

As for the forging...I'm pretty sure it would require an Eldritch forge, period. Heat, cold, and radiation don't hurt the demons unless powered by Arcana, Warp, etc.

Well, the fireball may work. It wouldn't do a whole lot of damage, but it would do something.

As for the forging...I'm pretty sure it would require an Eldritch forge, period. Heat, cold, and radiation don't hurt the demons unless powered by Arcana, Warp, etc.

And the hostile essence of a partially disembodied soul doesn't fit ETC? I'm not trying to get my entire squad massacred when they meet their first couple demons. Only the lieutenant has any ability to make magic on the enemy.

You won't get massacred. Your armor would still hold up against them. I am just saying that you wouldn't hurt them.

And I would say not really. A partially disembodied soul doesnt really fit the requirements I had for them. It's a soul, yes, but the way you described it just didn't fit the bill in my mind.

Your people won't get massacred. They can throw them around with their strength, they just can't hurt them much.

besides, don't they have psionic powers?

Honestly, it sounds like more of a snack for the demons than a weapon to use against them. If they eat said partial soul, what happens to the rest of the soul? You might not want to use them there if you can avoid it.

Demons after all do eat souls and by spreading yours around in your armor and weapons you make it easier for them to possibly get or affect part of it.

Then again, it all depends upon how the OP wants to run his version of Hellgate...

Sorry for lack of participation, I got fired from my job last friday and have been busy since then.

Take care of RL first. This is just a game.

Do what you have to and don't worry about us. We understand.

You won't get massacred. Your armor would still hold up against them. I am just saying that you wouldn't hurt them.

And I would say not really. A partially disembodied soul doesnt really fit the requirements I had for them. It's a soul, yes, but the way you described it just didn't fit the bill in my mind.

Your people won't get massacred. They can throw them around with their strength, they just can't hurt them much.

besides, don't they have psionic powers?

Kindof, but not really. I guess they could throw demons into nearby metal objects and grow the metal into them. Few more things they can do with blowing enemies all to hell or setting them on fire with that kind of trick(grow metal into the Demon and turn the metal into WP and just let it burn, do strange things with magnetism and create lightning) I just don't know how it'd work since it all comes from a supernatural source that has to use natural elements and follow most natural rules.

Honestly, it sounds like more of a snack for the demons than a weapon to use against them. If they eat said partial soul, what happens to the rest of the soul? You might not want to use them there if you can avoid it.

Demons after all do eat souls and by spreading yours around in your armor and weapons you make it easier for them to possibly get or affect part of it.

Then again, it all depends upon how the OP wants to run his version of Hellgate...

Nothing happens to the rest of the soul. It has become a seperate entity from the creator. Think of it kindof like a 40k Daemon or Force weapon.

Hey Templum Aedes. Can you let me know whem my battleship can arrive? I don't want to jump too far ahead by making the ship arrive while everything else is going on.

Besides, good things come to those who wait...

If it translates into using natural objects, and following natural rules, it won't work on the demons.

You could twist metal about them, but it'd need to be a lot of metal depending on the creature. Also, does the lightning and stuff translate to natural rules or what?

Also, taking a piece of a soul and putting it into a weapon is not "just like" a Warp weapon or a Force weapon. It doesn't do much but give food to the demons.

If it translates into using natural objects, and following natural rules, it won't work on the demons.

You could twist metal about them, but it'd need to be a lot of metal depending on the creature. Also, does the lightning and stuff translate to natural rules or what?

Also, taking a piece of a soul and putting it into a weapon is not "just like" a Warp weapon or a Force weapon. It doesn't do much but give food to the demons.

A Daemon weapon is one that contains a Daemon. A Force weapon is one with a psychic enhancement. And I said kindof, not just like. I'll accept just about anything, I just wanna be totally clear on what I'll be able to do. I'd just like to say that souleating the swords is out. I don't like the idea of the demons being able to disable my armor so easily, so the soul is bound completely to the armor/weapon in question. The question never came up before, but that's my judgement on the topic. The weapons may be useless apart from knocking them around, but they aren't food either

I looked at the Hellgate wiki you linked me. Is the sonic attack of the shockwave a magical effect? If so, the lightning won't hurt them(except the lieutenants spell) but the concussion from the thunder can do a fair job on some opponents. Also, about the undead, do the same rules apply as for demons(palladium, immunity to weapons, etc)?