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Announcement of a Joint Project between Private and Government Contractors on devlopment of new Anti-Missile defenses.

As multiple wars have observed, the one weakness in any battle, especially Naval, is the large influx of near thousands of missiles by nations with enough disposiable income to produce enough to not have to worry about supply.

A horrifying example was shown in the recent in which an entire Carrier group belonging to Trivalvia was destroyed by 1,200 missiles.

Well The Lone Alliance is fed up with this terror of the sea. We will not plan to share a similar fate in similar battles. To this end however, we realize that we will need others to aid in researching such a method of defense, nations with prototype anti Missile defenses, those with new ship designs, as well as others.

If there is anyone or any nation interested in joining this research please contact our Ministry of Commerce.

Signed,
-Minister of Commerce, Susan B. Talmage.
-Minister of Defense, Stephanie Morrow
-CEO of West Wood Arms Commerce Industries, Charles D. Frost

From the Imperium of Alaska

We would like to join in on this venture. We believe it is a sound idea and would be greatly beneficial for nations to have. We will help this project along in any way we can.

Signed:
Minister of War, Gen. William Somerled
Minister of Foreign Affairs, Jon Hakon
CEO of North Star Defense Inc., Benjamin Bradford

FROM: Jaguar Defense Corp.
TO:The Lone Alliance

Being the prime designer and manufacturer for 65% of Mokastana Defensive needs we believe that joining your endeavor would give all parties a step up on naval and national defense. We have concepts and ideas, and willling to partner with you on this.

Thank you

OOC: Missile spam is not handled primarily by CIWS or RAM. There are 3 layers. The first layer is fighters, from your carriers, armed with AAM's. The second is ships like the RL Aegis, or the NS Mogami or Town, which have entire VLS cells devoted to shooting down missiles. CIWS and RAM is only used as a last resort for when the missiles break through the first two layers. Thus this project should probably be focused on creating a ship dedicated to air defense rather than RAM or CIWS. I was able to destroy the fleets in Nova Europa because I used this system or protection, and they didn't. Its that simple.

OOC: Missile spam is not handled primarily by CIWS or RAM. There are 3 layers. The first layer is fighters, from your carriers, armed with AAM's. The second is ships like the RL Aegis, or the NS Mogami or Town, which have entire VLS cells devoted to shooting down missiles. CIWS and RAM is only used as a last resort for when the missiles break through the first two layers. Thus this project should probably be focused on creating a ship dedicated to air defense rather than RAM or CIWS. I was able to destroy the fleets in Nova Europa because I used this system or protection, and they didn't. Its that simple.

OOC: Hadn't thought of that, those are some good points.

The Blackhelm Confederacy is interested in this partnership

OOC: The problem with the 3 layers is that you will basicly have to launch every fighter you have against such a number, that could put many operations at risk and could cost a fleet it's air superiority. A self sufficent defense which would leave most of the fleet to go about it's business.


Message to The Imperium of Alaska:
We accept working with you. Our main Request is if we are able to use your waters to test out any concepts We request your response:
-Stephanie Morrow

Message to the Jaguar Defense Corp:
The testing and designing of a new and useful ship and defense system is nothing to do lightly, therefore any Ideas and concepts would be of great use. Accepted.
-Charles D. Frost

Message to The Blackhelm Confederacy:
While we have had little contact in the past, your record in business and defense speaks for itself, a partnership with you in this project will be a good advantage for each party.
-Susan B. Talmage

OOC: Not really assuming each fighter had dedicated five missiles to missile interception, and you had 25 in the air, which is the maximum amount you can use from one carrier, and assuming a 70% kill rate, you would still intercept 70 missiles. This of course goes up considerably with more aircraft in the air from other carriers, or you can use these carriers for CAP and strike missions. Additionally, if you have dedicated air defense ships, these would likely have hundreds of missiles launched from VLS tubes. So if you had AD frigates, destroyers, and cruisers, you have have a good chance of intercepting the vast majority of missile spam. So for this project I would personally recommend that this project create both a ship and a few missiles for this purpose. The draftroom would be a great help in this.

A good NS example of a ship dedicated to missile defense would be Trivalvia's Phalanx class cruiser, which will soon be going into production with the Naashan navy as well.

To:-Minister of Commerce, Susan B. Talmage.
-Minister of Defense, Stephanie Morrow
-CEO of West Wood Arms Commerce Industries, Charles D. Frost

Dear Sir and Madams,

I write on behalf of Naashan Aerospace Systems, a private civil and defense company based in the Democratic State of Naasha. My firm designs guidance and propulsion systems for aircraft and ordinance, primarily for the Naashan Armed Forces, your recent proposal to create a joint project dedicated to stopping a 'missile spam' is of great interest to us. The example you gave of a Trivalvian carrier group being wiped out by an overwhelming barrage of missiles is one seen too often these days, the Naashan Navy took even heavier losses in the same battle as our Trivalvian allies to a similar tactic.

Naashan Aerospace Systems can contribute to the project both in terms of technology and manufacturing power, we already have an air launched AAM in the pipeline and feel that a joint project to provide as much missile defense as possible, through standardised or at least coordinated means would incredibly beneficial to our operations.

I eagerly await your response,
Jack Williams,
CEO, Naashan Aerospace Systems.

OOC: can you send me a link to the draftroom?

OOC: Here. (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=1847&st=0&#entry2798159)

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Message to The Imperium of Alaska:
We accept working with you. Our main Request is if we are able to use your waters to test out any concepts We request your response:
-Stephanie Morrow

To: Stephanie Morrow

Of course. As you can probably imagine we have quite a number of naval installations throughout our nation. Including some in the Aleutians designed specifically for weapons research and development. Just let us know where you wish to conduct the tests and we will do our best to accomodate you. We look forward to the results of this partnership.


Signed:
Minister of War, Gen. William Somerled
Minister of Foreign Affairs, Jon Hakon
CEO of North Star Defense Inc., Benjamin Bradford

OOC: I changed Alaskan Military Industries to North Star Defense Inc., just thought it was a little more original sounding.

OOC: Just to clarify, that's a Phalanx-class destroyer. ;)

Trivalvian Department of National Defense
Official Statement

To clarify the matter of the tragic loss of our Atlantic Carrier Group, TDND has allowed for a summary of the technical results of the investigation into the group's destruction to be released for consideration.

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It is the conclusion of the investigatory committee that the size of the Trivalvian Carrier Group as deployed is too small to function as an effective naval unit. In the loss of the Atlantic Carrier Group, the ratio of missiles fired to ships was one hundred to one. The committee recommends an increase in escorts to provide additional protection for carrier groups.

Second, it is the conclusion of the investagory committee that dedicated air-area defense ships such as the Phalanx destroyer served their function well in the above incident, and the proportion of air-area defense ships should be increased in a carrier group. The investagory committee also recommends that the design of the Phalanx-class air area defense destroyer be reclassified under the Weapons Export Ban Act as a "defensive-only weapon" and thus be allowed for export and technology sharing with allied nations only. [Note: this has since been put into effect on January 1, 2008, with the release of the design to Naashan military officials. The design is slated to be released to all NEA signatory members on February 1, 2008]. Finally, the investagatory committee recommends increased research funds for improved anti-missile systems, including but not limited to, improved CIWS mounts, improved rolling-airframe and anti-air missiles, and even investigation into the adaptation of THEL anti-missile laser systems for naval use.

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The Trivalvian Department of National Defense is willing to consider cooperative research in anti-missile systems, however, large-scale involvement beyond basic consultation will have to wait for approval by the Legislature, as the Trivalvian government has a long-standing policy against uncontrolled export of weapons and weapon technology.

<signed>
Julia LeBlanc,
Minister of Defense

OOC:
To the TLA - you'll need to come to the NS Drafroom to really get an OOC discussion.

Generally there are two things making "missile spam" work:
- Designer's misunderstanding of missile capacity and function of a ship. Contrary to the popular belief, a 20,000 ton destroyer does NOT carry 800 anti-ship missiles.
- Overreliance on CIWS, which are just the last-ditch defense IRL.



IC:
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Aerospace Logistics Corporation is currently in intermediate to advanced stages of effective missile protection development. Assuming significant sharing of expenses incurred in research, development, testing, design and manufacturing systems construction, we'll be able to share the technologies with you.

However, our Research Department would like to warn you that effective missile protection might require very radical changes in design concepts.

[OOC: The single most easiest way to defeat "missile spam" (as if such a concept exists) is by striking your opponent first.]

OOC: So for this project I would personally recommend that this project create both a ship and a few missiles for this purpose. The draftroom would be a great help in this.
OOC: I had planned on using the the draftroom eventually, I just am looking for others ICly who can help think up ideas, fesiability of such designs will be
what to do in the draftroom.

Message to Jack Williams, CEO of Naashan Aerospace Systems.

To Mr.Williams,

As seen in past data collections we have noticed that another large danger of the termed "Missile Spam" is that there are so many different missile types that can be used for Anti-ship purposes, for example sea skimming, normal cruise types, Aircraft, and Aircaft missiles, many in conjunction, what we will need is a new design that we can use to standardize a way of countering each threat, while a 'missile that can do everything' would seem to be a fallacy, a base missile body that you can have fitted with different guidance and propellant systems would mean not having to make launchers of different sizes. Any help in this, any design or idea that you have, any projects, would be of great ues, our nation has set aside a massive funding campaign for this project, so funding will be available.
We look forward to working with your company to these ends. We await your response.

-Susan B. Talmage Minister of Commerce.


Message to Trivalvian Department of National Defense:
A consulatation or observational role in this project is approved.-Minister of Defense, Stephanie Morrow

Secret IC:
Response to Aerospace Logistics Corporation:

Our company is open to aiding your research, the current design concepts will inevitability become obsolete in the future, a 'radical design' might be the only useful future method. Just state what funding or other things you need.
-Charles D. Frost