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Repost of Stuff Written by The Third Spainish State to provide background...

The ghost of overpopulation was again haunting the Confederacy. Density has grew to 150 inhabitants per cubic kilometer and the arcologies were almost full and larger underwater settlements than towns would be not only unfeasible, but prohibitively expensive. Finally they decided to move, seeking to claim the northwest of Africa peacefully, by offering the natives their technology in exchange of sharing their lands and a promise of respecting the environment, their culture and beliefs. Departing from Porto Populi, a fleet of 100 cargo and transport ships, carrying besides enough supplies for two weeks, construction equipment, network equipment including computers and seeds, about 20,000 settlers, 6 iron columns and 3 steel striders. The fleet was escorted by a small fleet of 10 destroyers, 10 missile frigates, 10 submarines and 10 cruisers using similar technology to AEGIS, should an opportunist rogue State or modern pirate attempt to take them down.

Galdez, a middle-aged man asked his friends aboard one of the transport ships

"What are we supposed to claim?"

"Morocco, Western Sahara and Algeria, we shall split into 3 fleets to land at the coast of each of those forgotten lands", they said. ...

The Morroccan fleet finally lands in the southwest of Morocco, and supplies, people and construction equipment are unloaded from the cargo ships, escorted by one armored steel striders division with a total of 100 armored vehicles and two iron columns infantry divisions with a total of 600 men, while the small fleet lies over the horizon protecting the coast. As of its happening, a message is sent to USA, negotiating a parallel to split the Morroccan territory. Galdez walk on the beach, looking at his friend Saul.

"Do you think it's going to work out? I am afraid of the consequences this small claim might bring"

"Don't worry Galdez, we have thousands of good diplomats, and you know our established communes have a clear policy of avoiding to enter into conflict with nations where political and civilian freedoms are highly regarded, regardless of economic systems. Finally, there's a policy of not entering into more than one conflict per time, and we're already having some brave men engaged in Evoinia and in DEFCON 1 as a result."

"Let's hope this is solved in a good manner, I don't want this to turn into another 38th parallel incident.", he replied.

"It won't happen. We aren't the Soviet Union, we stand for democracy like them and we have a kind of free market, though different, actually freer than theirs", Saul smiled.

"All right, lets help the people them", Saul pointed to the people who were already preparing some buildings.

A few hours after the landing of the Morroccan fleet:

The other fleets arrived at West Sahara and Algerian coasts, landing equivalent amounts of equipment, supplies and people over their coasts to the Moroccan fleet landing. The plan was to build the towns near the coast and after a day announce they were ready for more colonists from the dense megacities, and also seek to ally with the native people offering them a direct democracy and rights to believe and keep their cultures unchanged. The only difference for the three plans was all buildings from Moroccan landing would be cheap and expendable so they could abandon them and move to West Sahara should the negotiations with USA fail.

A small group of natives observed the Morroccan construction effort from the colonists from a stealthy position, assuming they were invaders, but still unsure about them as they seemed different from others who came before. They asked one of them to contact the settlers and see what they were up to and he courageously went to meet the Third Spanish States settlers.

The United States of Africa responds:

"We are suprised at why the Third Spainish States wish to occupy any portion of Morroco. We are also suprised to note that national soverignty does not seem to play a role, as the transportion of military weaponry does seem to put any possible negogations at risk, for fear of you not talking in 'good faith'. We would like to have the Spainish States relate to us why their involvement is necessary for Africa's prosperity.

The State of Morroco has joined up with the United States of Africa with the purpose of defending against imperialism. To bargain away a whole portion of society, to establish this so-called "parallel", would be akin to selling people into slavery.

That being said, we don't want war. We are a peaceful nation, unwilling to engage in pointless warfare that will harm only Africans in the process. And we are interested in talking. Just answer our questions and clarify the situation. Thank you."

(OOC Note: To any new onlookers coming in, the USA controls Algeria, Morroco, and Western Sarah, but Western Sarah is being occupied by TSS. At least, I think that's the sitution. Is that right?)

Reposted from the Scramble for Africa thread:

As the Morroccan native saw the hundreds of armed soldiers and the hundred armored fighting vehicles, he immediately went to the others to warn about what he assumed they were there for:

"They are here to plunder our land and enslave our children! They sent six hundreds of armed soldiers to take everything and destroy and their vehicles of war. If we surprise them we can drive them off!", he said with consternation

"Wait! Are you definitively sure? They seem different form the way other invaders were registered in our history."

"I am definitively sure about" he nodded as he got an old AK-47 assault rifle from a hidden stash they had. "Morrocco might have been lost to chaos but we are still a sovereign nation and shall fight for our independence! Move forth! Jihad al Akbar!"

The wise elderly chieftain of their small community frowned "Forward to our deaths? Look at their vehicles! They probably have enough to load all their soldiers inside and our weapons wouldn't put a dent to them. Maybe they were worried other countries would ruthlessly attack them if they went in undefended, they don't seem to be preparing for attacking and expanding further through force either. And Ahmed, the Jihad al Akbar isn't a war that happens in the realms of flesh, but in the realms of the spirit. The grave misreading about it already brought too many unnecessary bloodshed and damnation to many lost souls."

Ahmed looked at the Elder and frowned:

"What do you suggest? Bowing to the invaders and serving them as slaves?"

The Elder was looking at the Third Spanish States military forces through a binocular as Ahmed spoke:

"Ahmed! This is completely wrong! Take a look at them and answer me: Do you also see the difference of their soldiers in comparison to all others?"

Ahmed took the binocular and observed the military forces ahead:

"They are just like other military forces, I see no difference at all. They are going to invade everything if we don't do anything!"

The elder gently replied: "Look at their uniforms, at their shoulders and around their breasts, look at all of them"

Then Ahmed slowly observed the soldiers once again, focusing on their uniforms over the breast and shoulders, he then noticed something peculiar:

"They don't have ranks or medals! They all use the same type of insignias!", and stopped looking at the binocular.

The elder then smiled: "They treat each other as their equals, even between their warriors, I am sure they shall treat our people as equals. We should drop our arms here and contact them. I know the 'world language' from the time we had a government, and I will try to speak with them, hopefully they speak English too. You don't have to protect or follow me, though I will not stop you if you wish to, just don't carry weapons or we might scare them. And the Elder went towards the Third Spanish States settlement, followed by a handful of his stateless people.

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A soldier from a 20-man group spotted them and said, in Spanish: "Comrades, there are some natives coming! they seem unarmed, you know what we must do, keep our weapons down and be friendly, in the hope some of them speak English"

They kept their weapons down and waved towards the natives as a sign of friendliness. Soon they approached the soldiers with caution, and their elder ahead of them, one of the soldiers promptly asked:

"Do any of you speak English?"

The elder Sajjad replied:

"I do. I would like to ask you who are you, where you came from, what you are doing here and what you intend to do."

The soldier said:

"We the iron column, the infantry of our nation, and my name is Leroy Meritt Zannon. We came from the Confederacy of Third Spanish States, a place Northwest of here where everyone is free and rule directly the land rather than bowing to kings, though nobody can impose their orders on minorites. We are building a town here to be the first civilized one for the future Marroccan Communes, which shall be completely independent from our mainland, and before you ask, a commune is a voluntary association of people where everybody is considered equal. If you or any of your people wish to join us, they shall have granted immediate political rights for the Marroccan Communes. We shall respect your culture to the fullest, with a few... exceptions"

"What exceptions?"

A female soldier looked at the elder and continued:

"We will not tolerate mistreatment to women and forced use of burgas or similar, except if they voluntarily accept submission and this shall not be valid for violent actions. Our people will not react nicely to the attempts of applying laws which order women or men to be stoned to death if they exert their sexual liberties to the full extent, neither shall tolerate such practices in our territory."

The elder expression became enraged as he shout:

"Ahmed was right! You are wolves in sheep disguises! You are a legion of unclean sodomites and infidels wanting to impose your arbitrary views of freedom over us as a pretext to sack our lands!"

Then before anybody got time to reply he said in a calmer voice:

"But as you said your 'communes' are voluntary societies, we shall tolerate your presence as long as you don't meddle in our small civilized communities and respect their autonomy."

The female soldier eyes were filled with anger, when suddenly five small teen feminine figures in burgas behind him took their burgas off as they ran to the Third Spanish States cities. The elder enraged shouted in their language as a fanatic hatred filled him, drawing a pistol from his pocket:

"The sodomites are corrupting our youth with their ally, the Great Satan! Charge!", before the soldiers could react he shot against the female soldier and against one of the teenagers, the name of the soldier was Maria Sanchez. She was wounded in the chest, and only through luck the bullet didn't hit her heart. She felt in the ground, agonizing in pain. The 12 years old girl didn't have the same luck and died on the spot.

Just after the shots Leroy aimed his G11-R against Sajjad and fired it against his head, killing the elder as an angry mob charged carelessly against them from the desert, most with swords only and a few carrying AK-47s. 4 heavy infantry soldiers aimed their A-31 light machineguns against them and shouted "Don't kill yourselves! Stop now or we will have to shoot!", as they were about 100 meters from the iron column and medics ran to attend the wounded soldier. However they didn't listen, as the soldiers forgot they didn't know English and continued their suicidal charge.

Having no other choice, one of them fired his machinegun and the others followed him. An AK-47 round from Ahmed, who was shooting randomly as he ran, got Leroy in the arm, and after resisting the initial pain, he immediately pulled an injection from his belt and applied it to his other arm as he shouted "I still can fight".

A rain of bullets slowly massacred wave after wave of 2,500 native fighters, only those few wise enough to take cover and use AK-47s rather than charging suicidally were still alive and shooting against the now entrenched Third Spanish States forces, about 100 of the native soldiers at 500 meters from distance of them. Five soldiers from Third Spanish States were gravely wounded in the firefight and many others were wounded.
Leroy arm was being bandaged by a medic as he used a .50 Desert Eagle pistol with his healthy arm: his pain was subsided by the drug he injected. They received an encrypted radio message:
"We had too many wounded already. Oso Artillery unit ready! Take cover, it will fire air burst shells against those fanatical brainwashed childkillers!"

They all got down and kept using suppressive fire against the natives as 3 artillery rounds flied from a few hundreds of meters behind them and soon passed above them. They got straight against the remaining hostiles where the impacted with the sands almost simultaneously, killing or wounding gravely them. As soon as the explosions ceased, there was no more fire. Then the medics which were not busy went carefully to the site, accompanied by rescue vehicles, to give assistance to survivors. Among many corpses they found 25 who were luckily still alive, but gravely wounded. "Send them to our vacant UCIs in the cargo ships!", a medic shouted as they were careful carried in the vehicles and sent to the ship.

From a bed inside a hastily built barracks, Maria, conscious, listened to the reports of the battle as a girl, Zaahira Farad, was near watching her. Tears swept from Maria's eyes as the "victory" was granted. In the eyes of most it was a defeat. They did not managed to achieve peace with the natives, and wiped out most able-bodied men from a nearby village. They were making the same atrocities of their European ancestors, ironically in the name of anarchism. Leroy was sat on a chair, his mood was not the best even if the pain from his wound was gone. A friend came to him: "We did what we had to. And look at the good side, a land previously occupied by medieval beliefs will now be freed."

Leroy looked at him and frowned "You can fantasize about being a freedom fighter as much as you want, but the truth is that we are imposing beliefs to a people, we are breaking their right of self-rule, we are forcing them to leave thousands of years of tradition, no matter how disgusting they are to our eyes, behind. We are nothing but a bunch of imperialist bastards here, this is the truth.", then the soldier said nothing in reply, he simply left. Only grieving remained to their forces...

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At the same time the towns in Algeria and West Sahara were already established and a official statement about they being independent States allied to Third Spanish States sent. The negotiations about Morrocco still were to begin though.

(OOC: Sorry for not being active. Here's one post before I gotta log off)

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The United States of Africa

We have examined the map you have given, and would like to point out a typo on the map. Algeria is noted on the map as "Spainish Algeria". We hope that typo will be corrected.

We then did research into the new governments, and are somewhat disappointed at who exactly are running them. Instead of the natives running these new 'communes', it would be the settlers themselves, having no connection whatsoever to the land, except for a desire to proclaim dominance over a region. The nations are indepedent and not controlled by the TSS, we will trust you for now, but it is clear that they are not run by Africans themselves. Not even the few Africans who may support your policy.

Paying lip service to gaining the 'support of the natives' is far different from actually having said 'support of the natives'. And what is it to say what would happen if the natives do not support you? What would the new indepedent states do?

That being said, we understand that there is a growing settler population, and that they may desire to self-rule over themselves. We therefore make a counter-offer.

*We will recognize and respect the soverignty of the Algerian Commune and the Tunysian Commune. In return, we
(1)Ask that the two Communes allow Africans a degree of self-rule and be granted control over their lives.
(2)The Southern Algerian Commune Corridor be handed over to the USA
(3)Mandate a freeze of all military weaponry in all deployments in the two Communes, in order to ensure that there would no needless diplomatic tensions.

*The Morroccan Commune will be disbanded. We will explain this shortly. After the 8th Century, the Morrocoan state, now part of the USA, has extended its dominon over Western Sahara, intergrating its culture and people together into one unit. Both Western Sahara and Morroco are reliant and dependant on each other, and while both are ruled by one leader, they manitan seperate policies. This can be outlined in the Treaty of Al-ʿAyūn, signed in 1885. Hence, when this leader signed the Consitution that created the USA, he had both Western Sahara and Morroco join up. Therefore, the creation of the Morroccan Commune was illegal, in that it claimed territory that was already claimed...that is, by the leader of the Morrocan State and Western Sahara, as well as the USA.

*In return, the settlers in Western Sahara are allowed to self-govern themselves in Autonomous Cities, which would be decided by future negogations where those Cities would be.
(1) We will only allow about 1 Autonomus City (that small town that your settlers already are in) in Western Sahara, altough that is open to negogations.
(2) The Autonomous City will have to obey our national laws, especially the law concering no mining, but overall, they are allowed to govern themselves.
(3) There will be a quota for immigration to the Autonomus City.
(4) No TSS forces are allowed to be deployed in the Autonomous City, our military forces can defend the City for you.
(5) The free border policy will be allowed between the Autonomous City and the two indepedent Communes.

OOC: Let me explain the reason for deleting my previous post. Most of that offer is obsolete by now due to several factual errors as I was a bit tired when I wrote it. So here is its fixed version, I'll make it briefer.

In the DiploNet it was chosen to write a letter in paper rather than a digitally signed e@mail to negotiate about the Morroccan issue. The letter was written as depicted below.

To: United States
From: Confederacy of Third Spanish States
Subject: Negotiation for the independent Morroccan Communes.

Greetings, let me first apologize for the military forces we sent to escort our settlers, as we were unaware about the fact it was an already occupied territory and when we became aware of it the settlers were already at Morroccan coast. Finally, like the two other settlements from Third Spanish States, it's sought to become an independent nation-state where all will live harmoniously with the local population, which also shall have complete political rights and the same economic and civil liberties of Third Spanish States settlers, while our military forces were only sent for an entirely defensive function to protect the lives of our people and shall not use force for anything but defense nor use unnecessary violence. Also those sent military forces are now detached from the Third Spanish States military and became their own nations military to defend themselves, while Third Spanish States shall offer them protection through a mutual protection pact if necessary. Those communes are intended to be groups of decentralized and democratic settlements, both from local population and people coming from Third Spanish States, which shall have almost complete autonomy, where their inhabitants will group through local computer networks to decide issues that affect their nation as a whole. Finally there is no "tyranny by the majority" in neither Third Spanish States or the new independent Communes: all those who disagree with a decision aren't forced to support its implementation, also imposition of prohibitive rules by the majority is not allowed for anything but cases like murder or robbery, as we believe it's possible to achieve harmony without control or attempt to force assimilation against other people cultures or languages, regardless of what some minor extremist and racist groups believe. All cultures, beliefs and traditions shall be preserved and respected with exception of those of a few fringe groups which violate the liberties of others. In fact we believe that their decision to make the learning of native languages standard in their recently built schools shall not only improve the relation among different ethnicities, but increase the intellectual capacity of their people, as they followed the example from Third Spanish States where all schools teach English, Spanish, German and Portuguese rather than only the language of the majority of population and English: of course we cannot teach every single language of the world due to restraints but immigrant communities who arrive in Third Spanish States are completely encouraged to build their own schools and teach and speak their original languages besides learning others as we are now a nation built over an ideal of democracy rather than over Spanish traditions which name is only in memory of the Spanish Civil War.

With this in consideration, we are building a community successfully in Algerian and Tunisian territories, or Tunysian, another typo that stuck and most don't mind to fix as it there is no typo in the official Arabic naming of it. Thus we would like to negotiate the purchase of the southern Morrocco as pointed in this map, as the settlers are already considering it their home rather than Third Spanish States and it would be very depressing for them to have to leave. In exchange, considering the lack of a connection among your current territories in Africa, we offer you a corridor of territory in Algerian Communes south to connect both your possessions, as long as in the areas painted in red from it can be crossed or occupied by our civilian population and cargo vehicles as well as yours in an open borders policy. We hope an agreement can be achieved. Also I would like to take advantage of this message to ask you how could we establish an embassy in your nation to further improve our foreign relations.

Signed
Ruiz Jameson Carlile, diplomat

Annexed photography: Map of new proposed territorial setup, with red painted areas in the corridor as free passage and inhabitation areas for civilians of the three Communes.

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OOC: Okay. I'm assuming that you have read the revelant parts of the first TG, so I am just adding more concerns.

IC:

United States of Africa

Before we can talk about an embassy, let talk about the terms.

One, we still aren't really convinced why exactly do these colonizers has the right to establish their own nation and rule over Africans. If people wishes to immigrate to a nation, isn't it fair to become a citizen of said nation, not go and invade and take over said nation and then make promises to protect the natives? It seems that the settlers are not interested in living on Africa, but are interested in the idea of taking over land and forming their own nationstate, and then maybe, maybe care for the natives, even though you never actually cared for the natives when you barged in.

Two, we are a bit upset at your doublespeak. Your claim about suppression of "fringe groups" may be a red herring, as while groups may be frigne, you establish so much of a loophole for these Communes that they will use it to supress anyone they dislike. Your guarrantes of "no unfair punishments, oh, except when we want to" doesn't sound good at all. We aren't afraid of a "tyranny by majority", to be honest, from what we are seeing, it looks to be a "tyranny of the minority who happens to have the power to vote"...that is, your settlers.

Three, again, lip service is easy to pay when you are stating that you will perserve culture. I think every colonizer is already doing such a thing, stating that they are not going to go and impose their own will. We doubt that would be true though. No matter what happens, we are keeping an eye on your settlers. Cultural imperialism is rather dangerous...To your credit, you are teaching native languages, but that may be a small credit indeed.

We knew most people in Africa spell it Tunysian, we're okay with that.

We are taking with deep suspicion the fact that your military 'defected' to these Communes, and you are doing nothing to stop said defections. How strange that people suddenly wishes to 'leave' the TSS as soon as they step on the shore of somewhere else, but are so interested in requiring its assistance. But, regardless, we will send you a modified counter-offer, which we hope be open to negoations:

**We will recognize and respect the soverignty of the Algerian Commune and the Tunysian Commune. In return, we
(1)Ask that the two Communes allow Africans a degree of self-rule and be granted control over their lives.
(2)The Southern Algerian Commune Corridor be handed over to the USA.
(3)To avoid needless tensions between the USA and the two Communes, we will hereby demand a freeze in the military budget. Any increase in the military budget or any military buildup must be pre-approved by the USA.
(4)Also to avoid needless tensions, the TSS will not be allowed to support the two Communes in military aid, however, economic aid is premitted.

**The Morroccan Commune will be dissolved, and the southern part of Morroco will not be sold. At all. The southern part of Morroco has been a part of the Morrocoan State, and to sell away such a state would be selling away a portion of our hertiage, and of all the natives who had previously joined with Morroco and supported the Morrocan regime, and the new USA. Selling South Morroco would basically be selling people into slavery and giving into imperialism. We will not do that.

**In return, understanding that the settlers will not leave, the settlers in South Morroco would be allowed to form Autonomous Cities, which would be open to future negoations.
(a)All Autonomous Cities will have to obey our national laws, especially the law concering no mining, but overall, they are allowed to govern themselves.
(b) There will be a quota for immigration into the Autonomus Cities.
(c) No TSS forces are allowed to be deployed in the Autonomous City, our military forces can defend the City for you. Nor will the Autonomous City be allowed to raise their own military.
(d) The free border policy will be allowed between the Autonomous Cities and the two indepedent Communes.

We are open for any negogiations and counter-offers.

(OOC: Some related happenings first, and here the closest definition of Commune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commune_%28Socialism%29), though they are also quite different from the original Marxist idea and not communist, but with a "socialist free market" of Cooperatives)

The message has reached through public channels and repercussions went through all the communes and city-"States" of Third Spanish States.

"Doublespeak? 'Fringe Groups' as a red herring? How ironic...", the old man claimed to his younger friend.

"Ironic? Why?"

"Did you forget World History my friend? Don't you remember the 'War on Terror'? Plus, what does give them the right to have Morrocco as their protectorate? And finally, there was their support to Israel to kick out the Palestinians from their lands. But that was decades ago, things now probably have changed."

"So, what do you think about it?"

"Ah, we should not give to their concessions, they probably don't want us to send them military aid so they can invade everything easily later, just like they did when they wanted Iraq to disarm its weapons of mass destruction. I think we should only offer to get some of those colonists out of Morrocco, but no corridor, or stop of sending the least necessary to defend those two young confederacies of communes"

"Did you see that bit about voting rights?"

"Seems like they didn't understand it. That diplomat should have mentioned we are internationalists and that Algerians and Tunysians have equal rights, including the right to make their own autonomous communes, regardless of where they came from"

"I will vote for us to not hold down to their offers too. They seem a bit excessive. 'Autonomous cities under their laws'? Why don't we openly declare ourselves as a Stateless confederacy of anarchist communes instead of trying to put ourselves as a direct democracy?"

"Because the last confederacy of anarchist communes in History was attacked by stalinists and fascists, don't you remember?"

"Yes, and so we must pretend to the international community that we have a government and written laws", the youngster shrugged.
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DiploNet never had so many users online. Everything, literally everything possible was being suggested, from accepting USA terms to waging "War on US Imperialism", though fortunately most were sane enough to dismiss both extremes. After a few hours Ruiz finally receive a sketch of what he was supposed to counter-offer.

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To: United States
From: Confederacy of Third Spanish States
Subject: Counter-offer on the Morroccan issue.

Greetings again, and first I was expecting that worries would surface about our actions. Let me clarify first, about our political and economic basis of Communes and Cooperatives. A Commune is a voluntary democratic society of people who live among themselves based in mutual beliefs, cultures and/or ideals and which can connect themselves politically with other communes according their will. With this, a small group of allied communes is called a Federation, a large group of allied communes sharing the same continent a Confederacy and a much larger group of allied communes spreading overseas a Confederation. The private sector equivalent of a commune is a Cooperative, which is a financial, agricultural, industrial or commercial voluntary organization of workers or consumers which have shared democratic control over the means of production or purchase and seek not only to thrive on the free market with good profits or purchases, but also to improve the quality of life of their members and of nearby communes, by also investing in schools, hospitals and other public interest. Cooperatives can also ally themselves into larger groups rather than competing among themselves. A Federation of cooperatives would be the equivalent in size of a medium industry or franchise, while a Confederacy would be the equivalent of a large enterprise and a Confederation the equivalent of a multinational corporation. The essence of it is "one person, one vote" and that "joining of people into communes, and of communes into federations, should always be consensual". A few people prefer to live by themselves, away from the communes or cooperatives while others who aren't happy with the existing communes create their own.

Also let me explain the nature of Third Spanish States military, I will try to use the best words possible for it, but it is organized in a very exotic way for those who aren't used to it, but the closest thing in terms of organization to it is an association of Militias. First, there is not a centralized command and it's actually several communes and cooperatives that have shared control over different regiments of it, the only thing that unites it is the common sense of unity among our people. Second, now this will be a bit complicated to explain how it does work after all, but there are not formal hierarchies. Everybody has an equal knowledge and say of tactics, logistics and strategy and the only form of leadership is the one of spontaneously elected leaders according to the situation. For example, supposing they were fighting in a jungle, they would be probably choose the most experienced and charismatic among those with more experience in jungle warfare to lead them. On the other hand, planning is made through a military network where usually those skilled in strategy offer their proposals beforehand, to be voted by the affected members in a much smaller time frame than those of civilian nature, where usually voting only lasts for 2 minutes or less, due to the usual need for urgency on such decisions. With this, after those military forces joined on a new commune, they obviously became now also civilian members of that commune and unattached from Third Spanish States communes or cooperatives and their military. That's why it wasn't considered desertion. Also any military regiment can become its own commune if they wish.

With these concepts explained, I would like to point the native population is already forming their own communes and militias as well and inside the Confederacies of Algerian and Tunysian Communes they have united themselves into the Algerian Native Federation and Tunysian Federation of the Faithful which are allied with the Federations and Communes of people coming from Third Spanish States. Therefore it's not the will of our people to 'rule over' other people, as such concept is not only considered abominable, but actively fought against in our nation, as some would-be dictators have tried without success to overthrow its democratic and decentralized government over the course of history. Existing cities before the arrival of the colonist belong to their own communes, while new cities are being built by Third Spanish States settlers.

We do not believe in forming a "nation-State" as a nation does not depend of a State and the natural nations of Algeria and Tunysia are already preserved, including their own culture, faith and traditions, through their own specific federations and with the respect and recognition given to them throughout Third Spanish States originated communes.

About the "doublespeak", I am sorry I did not explain before what exactly I meant by using the word "fringe groups". A classical example of it would be for example those small parties surrounding would-be dictators attempting to overthrow our democracy. Another example is that of a person that would kill a children just entering the teens in cold blood because of her merely taking off a burga, or of people who would stone others to death based in extremist concepts of morality, because such are blatant abuses of human rights and of the right of life. Fortunately we did not find any significant amount of such groups attempting to attack our communes due to "being the allies of the Great Satan", if you know what this does mean. Such groups can technically create their own communes as well, but we will accept any refugee that comes trying to run from their oppression and keep an eye on them as such groups are breeding grounds for all forms of extremism, including terrorism.

I personally believe that, should a country or small community keep an Inquisition and its people have a similar life to the life of the Dark Ages, promoting changes from bottom to up on it wouldn't be cultural imperialism, though others do not share the same opinion and I have no power over the decisions of those independent communes.

Now that such doubts were well explained to you as I hope, I have to announce our people, including Morroccan settlers refused your offer and we shall not give you a corridor without a similar or equal in value exchange of lands, though we still might be interested in giving it for another territory of similar worth rather than southern Morrocco, however as it stands now, these are the three available offers, also in part proposed by the Algerian Communes:


Our previous offer, unchanged
All settlers in Morrocco will leave to found another commune in Algeria, but no corridor shall be given. More military forces in the Confederacies of Algerian and Tunysian Communes shall only join should a military buildup happen in the borders of nearby nations, for now they shall keep only their own forces, but we will not stop the sent of aid should suspicious activity happen near their borders.
Same as the previous one, but we shall give you the previously offered corridor for a similar worth territory in any continent, preferably as close to the Northeast Atlantic as possible, as long as in the regions painted in red(except for the now ditched link to the Morroccan Communes), where we would lose borders with other potential trade partners, free movement of civilian people and trade convoys, construction of buildings for supplying and stocking exports/imports is allowed and 5 small 3-man military scouts are allowed to have five border observation outposts for each border with the southern nations, where they shall also inform to the United States of Africa of any potentially dangerous buildup of other nations military forces in the corridor.

(Sorry for not responding earlier. will edit this post with the response)

(OOC: You...do, realize that the USA stands for the United States of Africa, not United States of America, two seperate enties. And, while I will accept RL events, many nations well, uh, do not, as the NS history is far different. Sorry for the small clarify. And yes, I know what a commune is. My nation still is a bit paranoid.)

TO: Confederacy of Third Spanish States
From: United States of Africa

Thank you for your clarification on how your society is run. We will take such matters into consideration.

However, it is often times noted that what is said is somewhat different from what is actually done. Many colonizers to this region has claimed to liberalize society, to respect their culture, while imposing on their own political beliefs and trying to enslave them. We also do question about how 'voluntary' the system would be.

We point back to the fact that nations already existed in Africa before the colonizers came here. These nations were led by Africans, and the Africans consented to their being ruled. For a 'commune' to be established, it would have to actually take land from those nations, and from those Africans that orignally settled there. Otherwise, if a 'commune' really is as you claim it to be, an indepedent city, then why wouldn't you allow for a modification of the Autonomous Cities, in which the communes would run indepedently, but the land itself would be owned and adminstrated by the USA?

Wheter you believe it or not, they have formed their own nationstates, by seizing land that orignally belonging to someone else.

Anyway, your tangent about barbaric practices make us even more uneasy about your 'intentions' in the region. There are always people who do bad stuff, but how in the world does it has anything to do with you occupying a territory? Couldn't we Africans civilize OURSELVES? We don't need you to come in and tell us what you think is right...and then kill us and take our stuff.

We would like to point out that most of the very tribes that join up in the USA do not engage in such practices that you describe, and instead are very moderate indeed. They however want to rule themselves, and not be ruled. They too are considered in the "Dark Ages", merely because they do not wish to get your help.

As it does seem diplomatic negogations are strained, and in the interests of peace, we will accept Offer #2 and will assist in the escorting of the Settlers to the Algerian Confederacy.

We are quite upset that due to these events, we are unable to establish a peaceful relationship, for now at least. We hope diplomatic channels will still be established in the meantime.

(OOC: Well, er, RP ended. Shame, oh well. How you like it?)

(Sorry for not responding earlier. will edit this post with the response)

(OOC: You...do, realize that the USA stands for the United States of Africa, not United States of America, two seperate enties. And, while I will accept RL events, many nations well, uh, do not, as the NS history is far different. Sorry for the small clarify. And yes, I know what a commune is. My nation still is a bit paranoid.)

OOC: I thought it was a protectorate of the United States of America. Now about real world history, my nation concept is based in the Spanish Civil War and it has a holiday in memory of Guernica victims in the infamous bombing, with also some fictional happenings in the 2010s near future. Other nations also use real world history with or without some divergence("what if...") in their backgrounds. And it was good enough of a RP, too bad it didn't last.

I don't have an "NS story book" ready and I have no idea of how it is but I suspect it is quite chaotic as well with so many different versions that it's impossible to find any logical fact closer to the truth, that's why I prefer using RL history for anything that happened until 2005, besides that the "NS Story" can go on. Now I wonder how long will it take before things start boiling up in that Africa claims thread...