NationStates Jolt Archive

Original IC Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=545589)

Okay, all OOC clutter goes here.

List o' involved nations:

Mhoudia Defense: Mhoudia, Turka-Sir

Crusader Coalition: Kirav, The Scandinvans, Amazonian Beasts, Cazelia, Shansekia, Blackhelm Confederacy, Zanski, Roseberg, Droskianishk, The Fanboyists, Die Reichsland, Hamilay, The Fanboyists, Epsilon Halo, Stoklomolvi, South Lizasauria, Miamoria

Other Attacking Mhoudia: The Beatus, Nistolonia

Supports MD: Theoroshia

Supports CC and/or Opposes MD: Errikland, Brutland and Norden, Gun Manufacturers, Velkya, The Indonesian states, Cotenshire

Note: This list is based off quickly scanning the previous thread, and is bound to have inaccuracies. Please inform me of them if you see them.

W00t!

Thanks, Errik. For the record, I'm on the aggressor side.

Thanks, Errik. For the record, I'm on the aggressor side.

As in, the 'Crusaders'?

whats with all the Jihad been thrown about

I'm in the middle, against the Jihad, and the Crusaders, moving for a free, non-religious government. Trying to prevent holy-war that will last for decades/centuries.

As in, the 'Crusaders'?

Technically. However, my force is not a rag-tag group of religious nuts; it's a fully trained state-run military formation. We oppose the genocide, not the religious implications.

I'm deploying a peacekeeping division or two to make sure atrocities on both sides don't spiral out of control.

Technically. However, my force is not a rag-tag group of religious nuts; it's a fully trained state-run military formation. We oppose the genocide, not the religious implications.

Same here, I just couldn't come up with a name that would encompass all said forces, except maybe the Allied Forces, but that could refer to either side.

Added list. I will add some formatting to make it easier to understand. Now, as I noted there, the list is based on quickly skimming the other thread, and will likely have mistakes; Beatus already illuminated one for me.

See my above post.

so i beat nukes going to be used sooner or later by someone

Should we include total forces committed (sp?)?

so i beat nukes going to be used sooner or later by someone

Let's say right now to avoid a nukefest of the usual proportions.

Let's say right now to avoid a nukefest of the usual proportions.

i was placing money it may be Mhoudia or Turka-Sir

See my above post.

Ah, you would be in the same category as Beatus. I'll change that.

i was placing money it may be Mhoudia or Turka-Sir

If we're gonna place money, I might not contest that. I still don't think we'll go into a strategic nuke-throwing manic depression thread.

If we're gonna place money, I might not contest that. I still don't think we'll go into a strategic nuke-throwing manic depression thread.

iam just a maze Mhoudia not nuke his own poeple as they have drop shit load of napalm on one city

If we're gonna place money, I might not contest that. I still don't think we'll go into a strategic nuke-throwing manic depression thread.

Nukefest? Sounds boring...

Nice to see I was noticed. I was a little nervous I had been ignored by default.

There's a big difference between nukes and napalm, of course.

Not so much as you might think. The fire-bombings of Tokyo caused more deaths than Hiroshima and Nagasaki did.

iam just a maze Mhoudia not nuke his own poeple as they have drop shit load of napalm on one city

There's a big difference between nukes and napalm, of course.

Nukefest? Sounds boring...

They are. Extremely. Actually, they usually devolve into OOC flamefests...one more reason to avoid nukes.

They are. Extremely. Actually, they usually devolve into OOC flamefests...one more reason to avoid nukes.

Flamefests are only good for MySpace and the SWG Shadowfire Forums...

People seem to be calling for a map on the IC thread, so I thought I'd repost the earlier map here.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13302738&postcount=45

I wouldn't consider myself part of the crusader faction as I don't intend to initiate aggressive actions against Mhoudia (well, I am invading him, though not shooting at his troops) though that is mostly rhetoric, and also going to keep as much a watch on all the 'crusaders' as on Mhoudian genocide.

BTW I don't think Velkya is part of this.

People seem to be calling for a map on the IC thread, so I thought I'd repost the earlier map here.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13302738&postcount=45

I wouldn't consider myself part of the crusader faction as I don't intend to initiate aggressive actions against Mhoudia (well, I am invading him, though not shooting at his troops) though that is mostly rhetoric, and also going to keep as much a watch on all the 'crusaders' as on Mhoudian genocide.

BTW I don't think Velkya is part of this.

Thanks Hamilay. I'm gonna go in from the sea of the East, if CC nations want to coordinate.

Thanks Hamilay. I'm gonna go in from the sea of the East, if CC nations want to coordinate.

[Encrypted: CC Nations] I'll come in from the northeast around Yille Ve Jayir (See enclosed map, my forces are in blue)

D.R. Attack (http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i298/JonnyAlMiller/war1.jpg)

Yea I'm more of a secular force as well (my latest IC post), I may end up getting bogged down in a fight against both religious sides haha, dunno yet depends on what the other secular powers do. I'm thinking about hitting from the sea in the North, maybe starting by assaulting Ville Du Jayir....?

[Encrypted: CC Nations]

Don't worry, no need for that on the OOC thread.

I've already put down a few lines saying my 'peacekeeping' force is landing in the UFAN occupied strip, as a member of the UFAN I assume that's acceptable, and it'll go south.

Actually for my role it would probably make more sense to see what the paramilitaries do.

haha, shit ... wanna coordinate attacks there Reichsland, since we're both more secular forces we could provide a more solid front against religious paramilitary groups of both....?

Yea I'm more of a secular force as well (my latest IC post), I may end up getting bogged down in a fight against both religious sides haha, dunno yet depends on what the other secular powers do. I'm thinking about hitting from the sea in the North, maybe starting by assaulting Ville Du Jayir....?

Copy-cat :P

Would you be up for mutual support? It'd make the going a lot less rough, and my army is more motivated by the brutality itself, not the fact that they're Christians.

Scratch my original idea.... I'll come in from the South and hit Mhoud itsself, if I can secure an attack and/or air support from the 'peacekeepers' from the UFAN strip?

I may end up sending a 2nd Mhoudian Expeditionary Force, with about the same numbers as the first depending on how large this war gets....

Scratch my original idea.... I'll come in from the South and hit Mhoud itsself, if I can secure an attack and/or air support from the 'peacekeepers' from the UFAN strip?

Although I've said that I will not first strike, as you're a regular force, rather than mobs of paramilitaries, when you're attacked I suppose I can ignore that and come to your aid. I'll send the helicopter troops to assist you.

More Hamilayans will show up if and when the first force is in trouble.

Nice to see I was noticed. I was a little nervous I had been ignored by default.

Nah, I try not to ignore people for no reason; your siggy alone warrants my taking note of your existance. ;)

Not so much as you might think. The fire-bombings of Tokyo caused more deaths than Hiroshima and Nagasaki did.

Yes, in terms of practical killing force, more conventional weaponry typically win out (in fact, I have made that exact same argument you just did in the past); however, the thing about nuclear weapons is that there is a disproportionate stigma about their use that gives them significance far beyond their actual killin'.

Thus, while I would not hesitate to use napalm, I would probably never use nukes.

Hamilaya, Droskianishk is against the use of paramilitary forces as well, and may end up leaving an army or so for peacekeeping after the war to ensure that they do not get too strong...

Nah, I try not to ignore people for no reason; your siggy alone warrants my taking note of your existance. ;)

It's always nice to be noticed. ;)

Yes, in terms of practical killing force, more conventional weaponry typically win out (in fact, I have made that exact same argument you just did in the past); however, the thing about nuclear weapons is that there is a disproportionate stigma about their use that gives them significance far beyond their actual killin'.

Thus, while I would not hesitate to use napalm, I would probably never use nukes.

Napalm would be something my nation's armed forceswould hesitate but slightly to use, and nukes, while the usual stigma is there, are still military weapons, to be used as necessary.

While I'm here, I would like to suggest that all nations intending to strike Mhoudia appoint a single Supreme Commander, to guide overall strategy.

Original IC Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=545589)

Okay, all OOC clutter goes here.

List o' involved nations:

Mhoudia Defense: Mhoudia, Turka-Sir

Crusader Coalition: Kirav, The Scandinvans, Amazonian Beasts, Cazelia, Cotenshire, Shansekia, Blackhelm Confederacy, Zanski, Roseberg, Droskianishk, The Fanboyists, Die Reichsland, Hamilay, The Fanboyists, Epsilon Halo, Stoklomolvi

Other Attacking Mhoudia: The Beatus, Nistolonia

Supports MD: Theoroshia

Supports CC and/or Opposes MD: Errikland, Brutland and Norden, Gun Manufacturers, Velkya, The Indonesian states


Note: This list is based off quickly scanning the previous thread, and is bound to have inaccuracies. Please inform me of them if you see them.

I'm attacking Mhoudia. I threated the nation with nuclear action.

Don't worry, no need for that on the OOC thread.

I've already put down a few lines saying my 'peacekeeping' force is landing in the UFAN occupied strip, as a member of the UFAN I assume that's acceptable, and it'll go south.

Actually for my role it would probably make more sense to see what the paramilitaries do.

There's no UFAN occupied strip in the area. It changed/changing 'management' after my little shopping trip.

There's no UFAN occupied strip in the area. It changed/changing 'management' after my little shopping trip.

Ah. Zanski seems to think differently? Well, scratch that. I'll land south.

There's no UFAN occupied strip in the area. It changed/changing 'management' after my little shopping trip.

If you have done that, you might see a couple hundred thousand of my troops in there soon.

If anyone captures Ville de Jayir, it is mine to keep... They took it from me, and I want it back.

Make sure to leave an IC letter to him about that. :P Gotta make sense to those who haven't read this thread.

I'm moving into the capital as well, Droskianishk, seeing as my non-paramilitary army is too small to go into a long-winded war. I call napalm bombings, seeing as my small nation relies on tech to make up for its small army. :D

If you have done that, you might see a couple hundred thousand of my troops in there soon.

If anyone captures Ville de Jayir, it is mine to keep... They took it from me, and I want it back.

You got it, that's my landing point

Keep in mind, y'all that the New Crusaders and the K.E. are seperate entities, though both will be fighting, most involvement will belong to the N.C.

heyheyhey great idea. Someone could store the information on their computer and load it onto NSwiki when its back online? waja think?

Drosk: if you're going in straight to Mhoud, you can link up with my battle fleet if you want support. I'm sending in all forces directly into Mhoud for a tactical strike and to eliminate all defenses.

Amazonian: Looks like your joining my destroyer/aircraft carrier...wanna go in after Drosk and I go strike, or after?

Probaly best if I go before y'all, as I likely have the strongest flotilla here (that is, unless you want to absorb the fire for me and let my wings and fleet do clean-up...). I've got enough power likely to occupy the defenses to buy your guys time to precision-strike the enemy while I draw off targets.

The aerial bombardment is already starting...of course, my destroyer is falling back to pick up the fighters, so I'm not going to be in any naval battle.

The aerial bombardment is already starting...of course, my destroyer is falling back to pick up the fighters, so I'm not going to be in any naval battle.

Whoops. Well, I'll take the second run. If he has a navy to fight, I'll draw the primary engagement for frontal assault to supplement y'allz's forces.

Mine is fine. Only 50 aircraft to support, anyways. :D

I guess my ship can still fire some cruise missles and artillery salvos to help...provided we can hide behind you. We'd be sunk in a few hits, and that leave our air strike survivors dead meat.

Mine is fine. Only 50 aircraft to support, anyways. :D

I guess my ship can still fire some cruise missles and artillery salvos to help...provided we can hide behind you. We'd be sunk in a few hits, and that leave our air strike survivors dead meat.

Yeah, if you want to fight you may want to take position behind my fleet and use long-range cover fire. We'll take down SSMs angling for your fleet, or at least take their attention away. Lotta CIWS and defensive systems.

Yea no way my navy's looking for a fight, its largely there just to deploy the ground troops... Night Hawks are currently striking but you two are more than welcome to take on any naval defenses he has there, once the landings start Droskianishk has enough troops there to be of real help...

how many of you got satellites over for Recon and Communications

blah another typical II dogpile...

blah another typical II dogpile...

What did you expect? Diplomacy with a guy who declared jihad on me for talking bad about his actions? Of course I'll clobber him for that.

Binaria: I got recon/comms/HK sats, but I don't use space-to-ground sats.

By the way, is this MT or early PMT?

I'm going to guess MT...but who knows...

Anyway, MT Recon sattelites FTW! :D

What did you expect? Diplomacy with a guy who declared jihad on me for talking bad about his actions? Of course I'll clobber him for that.

Binaria: I got recon/comms/HK sats, but I don't use space-to-ground sats.

By the way, is this MT or early PMT?

I wasn't putting anyone in particular down...I had just been kind of watching the rp which had at least a little promise but now its just going to be a bunch of larger nations entirely annihilating a smaller one..which will probably result in insults being thrown back and forth because people don't want to "lose" ...thus the rp has no value whatsoever...and a dogpile is what i was expecting...I just hoped against it...sadly my Christmas hopes have been shattered :headbang:

I wasn't putting anyone in particular down...I had just been kind of watching the rp which had at least a little promise but now its just going to be a bunch of larger nations entirely annihilating a smaller one..which will probably result in insults being thrown back and forth because people don't want to "lose" ...thus the rp has no value whatsoever...and a dogpile is what i was expecting...I just hoped against it...sadly my Christmas hopes have been shattered :headbang:

No need for such pessimism; this doesn't necessarily need to so degenerate.

No need for such pessimism; this doesn't necessarily need to so degenerate.

Im going off of past patterns I sincerely hope this is one of the rare exceptions

er...I'm a small nation, you know. 16 million in counting. :D And Mhoudia is 1,940,000 person strong. :headbang:

Im going off of past patterns I sincerely hope this is one of the rare exceptions

You and me both, my friend; you and me both.

er...I'm a small nation, you know. 16 million in counting. :D And Mhoudia is 1,940,000 person strong. :headbang:

some of the nations attacking him are in the 1 billion+ category...anywho I shall continue watching the RP in hopes it maintains its level of interest and hope that it doesn't turn into one big cluster fuck...now back on topic with the lot of you =P

well if you need more satellites over the nation let me know and i'll send some

My apologies for not posting earlier. Unfortunately, an AP U.S. History term paper prevented such actions.

I was planning on invading M, but now I'm not sure -- as was previously mentioned, it's a bit of a dog-pile, and it's not like you really need my support anyway.

So I'm going to back out of this RP and let all of you guys take it, since it's getting crowded. ;)

If M starts to beat all of you back, though, I'll reconsider. Someone send a TG if that happens. :D

List o' involved nations:

Mhoudia Defense: Mhoudia, Turka-Sir

Crusader Coalition: Kirav, The Scandinvans, Amazonian Beasts, Cazelia, Cotenshire, Shansekia, Blackhelm Confederacy, Zanski, Roseberg, Droskianishk, The Fanboyists, Die Reichsland, Hamilay, The Fanboyists, Epsilon Halo, Stoklomolvi, South Lizasauria

Other Attacking Mhoudia: The Beatus, Nistolonia

Supports MD: Theoroshia

Supports CC and/or Opposes MD: Errikland, Brutland and Norden, Gun Manufacturers, Velkya, The Indonesian states


Note: This list is based off quickly scanning the previous thread, and is bound to have inaccuracies. Please inform me of them if you see them.I am not deploying any military forces to aid the CC, although the King officially supports the CC, so I should go into the "Suports CC" category instead.

I am not deploying any military forces to aid the CC, although the King officially supports the CC, so I should go into the "Suports CC" category instead.

Sure, I'll take care of that right now.

South Lorenya voted an embargo on Mhoudia until the current regime is replaced, so we should be in the "opposes MD" group.

Mhoudia STILL hasn't responded with the bombing results...sheesh

Yeah, let's hold posting until Mhou gets back to this.

Hope he (I assume) comes back, and didn't run away or something...

he abandoned the city... Thats why... He's using scorched Earth tecniques.

If you have done that, you might see a couple hundred thousand of my troops in there soon.

If anyone captures Ville de Jayir, it is mine to keep... They took it from me, and I want it back.

ICly my government doesn't care about that. It's ours now and it will stay like that. If you want to get it back you'll have to do so by attacking me.

ICly my government doesn't care about that. It's ours now and it will stay like that. If you want to get it back you'll have to do so by attacking me.

Yeah? I might just do that...
Um, if your talking about VDJ, that is a couple thousand miles off from your territory...
But still...

Goody, he's going guerilla on us. Coalition members: I'm gonna start carpet bombing and other fun techniques tomorrow to destroy his nation piece by piece and force his people out, both by air and by naval attack.

Im a small nation so what would the reaction be if I potsted this in an IC thread like the one with Mhoudia for example.

(Whomever it may interest,

I believe this is a good time to sell my newest viral tech. My top minds have managed to create a new virus which can be shot safely in a missile. This virus has the ability to in short devour the body from the inside out. Air borne and water borne it can be estimated that it could consume a small country in about 30 days. You need not fear a pandemic outside of the affected area. The virus can be penned in with a sort of biological sent marking. The pen is effective up to 4,000 miles in perimeter. I am willing to sell this for 30 million dollars.

Emperor Yueo DCXXV) Is it against the rules?

Is this still going?

I kinda lost the computer so I don't even know if my army group is still supposed to be attacking Ville de Jayir or what...

Goody, he's going guerilla on us. Coalition members: I'm gonna start carpet bombing and other fun techniques tomorrow to destroy his nation piece by piece and force his people out, both by air and by naval attack.

Modified version of my typical speech when it comes to this:

I see, we have moved from a typical organized government military on organized government military fighting (good, clean bloodshed how it is supposed to be) to guerrilla warfare. Now, I imagine that most of us are more experienced with the proper strategy for the first kind of fighting.

To repress a rebellion, in this case mere guerrilla warfare, however, is an entirely different matter. If it has widespread popular support, probably the best thing to do is what I did in Arterus: wipe out the vast majority of their populations. The nature of your carpet bombing may be efficient at this. However, this is likely not going to be a realistic option, many of us are here as a matter of "human rights" to stop genocide.

One strategy which has, historically, been effective is that of concentration camps. I am not talking Nazi concentration camps - which are more rightly deemed death camps - but the military strategy of "concentrating" hostile populations in areas away from the rest of the population, where they can be watched (someone described it as "Keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided"). This strategy was used very effectively by the British against the Boers, and was attempted by the Spanish in Cuba before the United States got involved.

Of course, we could go with a more moderate version of the first--that is, make a big show of power and destruction, something which the massive bombings may be effective at, and hope to break the will of the guerrillas.

Of course, we could go with a more moderate version of the first--that is, make a big show of power and destruction, something which the massive bombings may be effective at, and hope to break the will of the guerrillas.

they did something like that in vietnam

Go easy on them. Build Hospitals. Schools. Rehabilitate them. That is how you should go about things first. If you cut off a mhoudian's limbs he will likely pull himself towards you on the grass with his teeth and tear out your ankles. if he is weaponless and cornered he will kick your balls and then use your gun against you...well, the Karazis would anyway, fucking wackjobs...

they did something like that in vietnam
...and severely fucked up.

...and severely fucked up.

indeed
may be guerilla tactics Vs guerilla tactics is called for

they did something like that in vietnam

They were fools in Vietnam. LBJ's war effort was typically aimed at gaining better positions at the bargaining table, rarely real military progress, and labeled important targets off limits, bought into every damn ceasefire or delay for negotiations (or, in Vietnamese, "build up time") that they handed him, and effectively wrote "what not to do in such a war, for dummies." When Nixon came into office he corrected this to a minor degree and had substantial results until his own lack of respect for the law and order that his voters valued landed him out of office, handing his successor a Congress hostile to upholding our promises to our allies, which allowed the south to be overrun. I assume we would not be so stupid as to delay carpet bombing Hanoi into oblivion within two minutes.

...So this is still going on.

Did we ever get a more updated map of Mhoudia other than this one:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i298/JonnyAlMiller/war1.jpg

I'd like to know because I need a new LZ

Mhoudia, are those attack planes, bombers, or fighters you sent to bomb the ruins? Either way, they have ninety-six missiles to respond to now (I'll also need how many aircraft there were that attacked the ruins, seeing as I'm picking up/launching at the formation with forty-eight interceptors banking from the attack group of my own).

haha, shit ... wanna coordinate attacks there Reichsland, since we're both more secular forces we could provide a more solid front against religious paramilitary groups of both....?

I resent that. The forces that are actually officially controlled by my government are supposed to be non-religious!

...So this is still going on.

Did we ever get a more updated map of Mhoudia other than this one:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i298/JonnyAlMiller/war1.jpg

I'd like to know because I need a new LZ

I believe he has explicitly said where his cities are so maybe you could do one...

I believe he has explicitly said where his cities are so maybe you could do one...

Do you happen to remember where and approximately when he did?

Errik you need to sign on MSN more often.

So, um...what's the point of this war again? To kill the military? Because right now, we're conquering Mhoudia...wether on accident or on purpose...

From what I read that is to free the christian from bloodthirsty dictator.
And isn't that already finished?

They were fools in Vietnam. LBJ's war effort was typically aimed at gaining better positions at the bargaining table, rarely real military progress, and labeled important targets off limits, bought into every damn ceasefire or delay for negotiations (or, in Vietnamese, "build up time") that they handed him, and effectively wrote "what not to do in such a war, for dummies." When Nixon came into office he corrected this to a minor degree and had substantial results until his own lack of respect for the law and order that his voters valued landed him out of office, handing his successor a Congress hostile to upholding our promises to our allies, which allowed the south to be overrun. I assume we would not be so stupid as to delay carpet bombing Hanoi into oblivion within two minutes.

the whole running of the war was fucked up,take lets take ground just to get a body count and hold on to it for a day or two then give it back

er...no, I don't think so

OK, I want to ask (because this is a Islamic nation) for how long will you allied forces hold Mhoudia? Even 1 side plan worked. I just wanted to calculate the outcome...

No idea, we haven't discussed it, I believe, and we still haven't even occupied the country...

No idea, we haven't discussed it, I believe, and we still haven't even occupied the country...

Where is help needed, exactly. Or rather, where haven't we attacked?

D'know...I'm starting to invade where the UFAN or whatever strip used to be.

Is this war finished?

No, it just kind of...died, like many great RPs. It happens, sadly. :(

Is this war finished?

No, it just kind of...died, like many great RPs. It happens, sadly. :(

Yeah. Still, sometimes it is just a delay, or a break, and they return. I would not bet on it in this case, but it is a possibility.

Let's hope for the best then...

im on holiday and will get round to things maybe on monday.

Yeah. Still, sometimes it is just a delay, or a break, and they return. I would not bet on it in this case, but it is a possibility.

:(