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Currently our army stands at a measly 700,000 but we have plans to use 5% of our population making it into a 12,900,000 soldier strong force. With these plans we also have a need for increased Military equipment.


The following list is of our requirements:

12,900 Main Battle Tanks
3,900 APC Tanks
12,000 Transportation Trucks
5,600 Self Propelled Artillery
34,000 Artillery
12,000 Fighter Aircraft
7,000 Bombers
5,600 Helicopters
5,900 Strategic Airlift
4,500 Tactical Airlift
3,000 Interceptors
7,000 Cargo planes


For the moment the above mentioned are the only things we require.



The Defense Ministry of Tripali

[ What the devil is a secondary battle tank? Or a tertiary battle tank?

You may also wish to change "Self Towed" to "Self Propelled"; as it stands, it's rather, er, odd-sounding.

Addendum: What kind of transport aircraft? Helicopters, tactical airlift or strategic airlift? Would you like interceptors? ]

All nations welcomed

OOC:
5% should only be used in cased of extreme emergency, such as you being invaded and/or a World War type of situation. Having 5% standard for a military would ruin your economy beyond belief and force your nation into a Depression much worse than what the US experienced during the 20's IRL.

I would scale it back a bit, maybe perhaps 1.5% to 2.5% for the time being.

[ I want to know where you get your figures and projections from Shaz.

South Korea maintains a military—counting reserves and paramilitary forces, in addition to active troops—10.63% of its total population, and yet I see massive economic progress.

Sources:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ks.html
http://www.csis.org/media/csis/pubs/060626_asia_balance_powers.pdf ]

[ I want to know where you get your figures and projections from Shaz.

South Korea maintains a military—counting reserves and paramilitary forces, in addition to active troops—10.63% of its total population, and yet I see massive economic progress.

Sources:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ks.html
http://www.csis.org/media/csis/pubs/060626_asia_balance_powers.pdf ]

OOC: Eh, making people serve two basic years of conscript service, then listing them as being able to be called back for the next 30 years, is not military. South Korea maintains 1.5-2% of it's population in the military, with a 4.5 million strong pool of people who have done military training that they can call up if North Korea attacks. And keep in mind that even if North Korea attacks, they would not even begin to draw in half of those reserves, maybe a fifth. And if they ever needed to bring them all in, like NK, China, Japan, and Russia all invade them together, then they're going to do it for weeks, not even months, because they couldn't hold together any longer.

So no, South Korea does not have 10% of it's population in the military. If it did, then Switzerland has 100% of it's population in the military, and that's stupid. Serving less then two years as a conscript, then spending 30 years with your phone listed for the government does not an army make.

[ Yet those conscripts are part of the military. I did not say under what conditions this would be possible, nor did I say how effective they would be as a cohesive force, as I perhaps should have (I've mentioned it earlier, however, I should note), but it can legally be claimed—and still be entirely accurate. ]

OOC: Slippery-slope argument. You start saying you can have 10% of your population in your military and what happens? You get people claiming 10% of their population is active duty military.

South korea, those reserves get training every few months, practice, equipment issued, live fire exercises? No. They get their names written on a form saying if needed they can be brought up, that's it. That doesn't make them part of the military any more then it makes my brother part of the military because he's over 18 and can pass the physicals. If they're not getting funding as the military, they're not in the military.

Edit: I would also like it noted that those figures you list include police, firemen, search and rescue, and rangers. All, once again, not military. Capable of being used as a fighting force if needed, like Germany did in WW2, but not military. They are on paper part of the reserve of South Korea, but that's it.

[ Quite; I included them under the broad heading of paramilitary and reservists, as I assume they operate under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of National Defense.

If being able to sign a form saying they can be called up is what the government calls being part of the military, then yes, they are just that. If being a certain age and gender is what the government calls being part of the military, then they are again just that. This does not speak of their quality, but it honestly shouldn't anyway. Numbers are just numbers, and I maintain that they should not be subject to relative definitions (excepting questions of their absolute accuracy, such as a government overstating figures for one thing or another). When one wishes to become a lawyer at some point, one learns to exploit all the loopholes. ;)

I assume people will be less ridiculous than claiming 10% active. The slippery slope argument is one I do not like to make, because I would like to believe II can be better than that (and if it can't, even bothering any longer becomes fruitless). ]

OOC: Except they're not under the control of the MoND, they're under control of the Ministry of Government Administration and Home Affairs. Much like the police, firemen, and park rangers are under state/federal government control of internal ministries. If you want to assume police and emergency workers are part of the military when they get no military funding, they're not under the guise of the military administration, and their ownly military experiance is that they were conscripts once, well you might as well tripple the accecpted size of the US military, because that's what it would apply there. Canada would suddenly have a half-million man armed force, and I don't even want to think what China would have with regional stuff included like that. At least the People's Armed Police is actually funded through the military in China and can be (and is) counted under the forces avalible.

And no, II can't. Welecome to NS, where people will wank whatever they can as far as they can. I remember when people actually stuck to 1-2% of their population maximum armed force, with 5% being maximum what you could get in wartime, now everyone who comes around says they start with 5% as fully trained active duty troops, and has reserves to boot. That's the nature of freeform, people will decide what they want to hear, and ignore the rest, even if the rest is more realistic and they are trying to claim to be realistic.

[ The numbers I mentioned earlier are conceded for the moment then—until I can re-count them at a later time. I do not think I have the time to do so at the moment, but I will do so some time in the near future.

I have been here for . . . quite some time, under various monikers. I know how idiotic II can be at times, but I honestly think it can be better than what it is usually mocked as. By what means I hope to achieve this elevation of its standing in the eyes of those who frequent it I do not know, but I do not believe the answer lies through simply decrying it as a pit of filth. ]

OOC: Except they're not under the control of the MoND, they're under control of the Ministry of Government Administration and Home Affairs. Much like the police, firemen, and park rangers are under state/federal government control of internal ministries. If you want to assume police and emergency workers are part of the military when they get no military funding, they're not under the guise of the military administration, and their ownly military experiance is that they were conscripts once, well you might as well tripple the accecpted size of the US military, because that's what it would apply there. Canada would suddenly have a half-million man armed force, and I don't even want to think what China would have with regional stuff included like that. At least the People's Armed Police is actually funded through the military in China and can be (and is) counted under the forces avalible.

And no, II can't. Welecome to NS, where people will wank whatever they can as far as they can. I remember when people actually stuck to 1-2% of their population maximum armed force, with 5% being maximum what you could get in wartime, now everyone who comes around says they start with 5% as fully trained active duty troops, and has reserves to boot. That's the nature of freeform, people will decide what they want to hear, and ignore the rest, even if the rest is more realistic and they are trying to claim to be realistic.

NS is already "wanked" far beyond reality anyways so to try and make it realistic is pointless with the nations population sizes alone...and then having a 100% income tax complete a frightening economy is even more bull.I could go on and on.. basically if you want realism then pick who you rp with and who you agree with and things will go fine

I CORRECT MY EARLIER STATEMENT


ONLY 2,000,000 SHALL BE MY ACTIVE STRENGTH THE REST SHALL BE RESERVED, BUT MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES

:sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper:

The Armed Forces of Tripali




We have revised our earlier statement and have concluded that the nation would crumble if the original 5% would be used, so thus we have decided to cut the percentage down to 1.75% of the population, which means 4,620,000 men shall be employed.



THE MINISTER OF DEFENSE

OOC: I recommend lowering your font size. It's a tad annoying.

ok

ok

WE WILL SUPPLY ONLY 3% OF YOUR NEEDS

we accept zxulian's offer

DOES YOUR MILITARY REQUIRE SUBMARINES?

- mINISTRY OF oRDNANCE

THE IMPERIAL WAR MINISTRY OF IMADISTAN



WE HAVE DECIDED TO BOYCOT THE MILITARY OF TRIPALI.

All nations welcomed

The Emporer of Latonesia has requested we assist you.
5,000 infantry
4,000 tanks
and 1,00 bombers are in the shop ready to take flight.

All nations welcomed

Latonesia will send 4,000 more troops bring in their handy dandy air transports 4000 tanks, but we can't give any more gifts, or the saturday Latonesian picnic's budget might be cut.:sniper:

DOES YOUR MILITARY REQUIRE SUBMARINES?

- mINISTRY OF oRDNANCE

sorry but the navy has the submarine.

We have managed to get upto $. 45,000,000,000,000 from rich patriotic citizens and thus do not need help from foreign nationals.:sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper::sniper:

No place for smilies in serious IC, mate. Not here.

You're rich citizens have more money to donate away to the government than most people's entire defense budget...oh the wankery my eyes they burn make it stop!

You're rich citizens have more money to donate away to the government than most people's entire defense budget...oh the wankery my eyes they burn make it stop!

OOC: What portion of his GDP did the wealthier citizens just donate?

Don't know

[ Bout 2240%. ]

[ Bout 2240%. ]

OOC: Ah, that's reasonable. It would seem that his wealthiest citizens had saved up the total of his nation's GDP for over 22 years.

wish mine could do that

With a 45 trillion defense budget for a nation his size would mean that he'd be ready to take on anyone number-wise within weeks, considering that it kept growing.

With a 45 trillion defense budget for a nation his size would mean that he'd be ready to take on anyone number-wise within weeks, considering that it kept growing.

Assuming he could find the manpower--it would certainly be annoying to be able to crank out hundreds of times more weapons and munitions than another nation but fail because they can bleed more and longer.

wish mine could do that

Don't we all. By the way, nice sig. I have that quote in my sig in another site.

Assuming he could find the manpower--it would certainly be annoying to be able to crank out hundreds of times more weapons and munitions than another nation but fail because they can bleed more and longer.



Don't we all. By the way, nice sig. I have that quote in my sig in another site.

Great minds think alike ;)

In regards to your original post Tripali, might I suggest a massive naval upgrade? In particular, the new Queen Elizabeth-class carrier is a good buy for VSTOL aircraft, and enjoys a significant power projection capacity (not to mention mobile defense). Unfortunately, each carrier costs an estimated 2 billion pounds, plus the inevitable overruns. Still, you get what you pay for....

THE NATION OF TRIPALI IT SEEMS HAS PLANS TO START A WAR I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR ALL OF US TO PUT AN EMBARGO ON THEM.

The Armed Forces of Tripali




We have revised our earlier statement and have concluded that the nation would crumble if the original 5% would be used, so thus we have decided to cut the percentage down to 1.75% of the population, which means 4,620,000 men shall be employed.



THE MINISTER OF DEFENSE

the Latonesian empire is sending
1000, more troops to war with your men.

Why doesn't Tripali, if he's got soooo much money, make his own stuff?