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PRESS RELEASE:

SilentScope003's scientists has finally developed a brand new Supercomputer: "The Waratron 1". Having took millions of dollars to develop, and lots of free time to be spent, the scientists has finally done what many thought was possible: 'Simulate an actual war.'

"This makes real wars obsolte," said the leading scientist, Dr. Bob, who also happened to be the nation's UN Ambassador. "No more will people have to die needleesy, no more will buildings burn. All nations have to do is put in all their troops, a brainscan of their leading generals (so that we know what sort of intelligence they would have and what sort of military tactics they would use), and the map of the area where the War will be held.

"Then we press the button, and volia, we'll find out who wins the War. Then we can skip all the deveasting and head right over to the peace talks! Best of all, it saves on reconstruction!"

Dr. Bob smiles. "We always thought that War would never end, that, every single day, millions would die from a thermonuclear blast by a rogue nation, and millions more would die in a thermonuclear retailitory strike by another rogue nation. Now, bloodsheed is a thing of the past."

As an example of its power, Dr. Bob simulated a military conflict between Ryou and the New Chaldorian-SilentScope003 alliance, based on data gathered due to the high tensions on both sides. While SilentScope003's army would quickly collaspe on the onslaught, New Chaldorians will keep up a strong fight, enough for Shazbotdom to use her bombers to take out Ryou's military defenses. Ryou would be forced to withdraw, instead devoting firepower to other wars, while Shazbotdam would leave Ryou off with a dire warning.

"With this simulation, we would have already figured out what would happen if Ryou and SilentScope003 went to war. No longer would we actually have gone to war to figure out the results. With a little testing, this supercomputer will lead to an era of pacifism. Not an end to wars, per se, but at least an end to all wars fought in real life."

Open beta of The Waratron 1 has commenced. You can send a message to Dr. Bob requesting that you and another nationstate place their military forces, a brainscan of your generals, and the location of where the war would be held, and The Waratron will calcaute how the resulting War would be fought. The beta is free.

This thread is full of win.

Official Free Dominion of Vetaka Diplomatic Message:

To: Dr. Bob, Chief Scientist of SilentScope003's Wartron 1 Project, United Nations Ambassador of SilentScope003's

From: Dr Amanda Atherton, Head of the Department of Psychology at the University of New Theeb, Jonathon Stone Supreme Operational Commander of the Vetakan Defence Forces, Matthew Mycock Head of the Strategic Intelligence Unit attached to Vetakan Security and Intelligence Service

Subject:SilentScope003's Wartron 1 Project

Greetings,

I am Dr Amanda Atherton Head of the Department of Psychology at New Theeb University I write to you in regard to your recent press release announcing the completion of the "The Waratron 1" Supercomputer Prediction Software. I write to you on behalf Jonathon Stone whom is Supreme Operational Commander of the Vetakan Defence Forces and is also one of the Supreme Commanders of the United Federation of Allied Nations, I also represent Matthew Mycock whom is head of Strategic Intelligence within the Vetakan Intelligence Service.

Dr Bob we shall be frank, it is the opinion of the Vetakan Government that your software is useless due to the fact it fails to take into account the one thing that has won wars and skirmishes around the world and through history this being Human Nature and Human Error. An example of such Human Nature is the Battle of Waterloo in which British General Wellington during the zero hour of the battle orderd his Infantry to hold position and hold fire allowing the french to come within a 100 yards before they fired all guns with devasating affect repelling the crucial french advance and ultimately winning the battle. With this in mind I fail to see just how Wartron 1 has the capacity to predict such unpredictable factors.

After studying your release and applying it to what is known about similar current software Mr Mycock whose department is responsible for predicting the outcome of battles involving Vetakan Military Assets around the world enquires to just how Wartron 1 takes into account such factors as Morale, Logistics, Weather and Secret Operations undertaken by either side of any conflict as many Generals and alike Leaders have said "the smallest decsion and the single grain rice can affect the outcome of a conflict". Dr Bob the Vetakan Dominion is a peaceful nation and we respect you campaign to bring lasting war but alas the Human Race is simply not ready to accept such peaceful resolution of conflict and hostility furthermore as outlined above the worlds Scientitsts and Institutes have much to say upon the subject.

Yours with the greatest of respects

Dr Amanda Atherton

Head of the Department of Psychology at the University of New Theeb

Computers cant simulate human ingenuity, I mean, c'mon, just look at MacGyver, do you think a computer could simulate him?

This computer threatens our religion of facing life with bravery and wishes to replace it with living a life full of fear. A human submitting himself to his own creation? I can't tell if that's arrogant or moral self effacement; maybe its both at the same time!?

Surely this madness will bring the wrath of Lord Gojira down upon your nation, just as it did ours when our scientists delved into Things Man Was Not Meant To Know. Abandon this folly and flee for your lives before it is too late!

Vetaka: We inform you that the supercomputer does take into account Morale, Logistics, Weather and Secret Operations due to its various stats computation. We also inform you that the brainscan of generals are the most important part, because, by examining the mental state of the generals, we could determine how they would react to cirmustances, what tactics they would use, what tactics would be used to counter them, and how they'll respond to stress. The brain scans represent Human Strength...and Human Error. Other random factors can be simulated by random events simulated in the computer.

We do think this supercomputer has what it takes to accurately forecast the results of wars, however, we do need beta tests. And while it may be true that many nations may not be ready for such technology, in the future, they may very well be. The scourge of war will soon go away, it's only a matter of time.

In response to your simulated war, we would like to ask you what kind of results you think you would be getting. Because, let me tell you now, you shall never have our simulated liberty!

This is so "A Taste of Armageddon"

I'm afraid that you have been declared a casualty of war by the computers. Please report to the anti-matter disintegration chambers.

I love it!

Vetaka: We inform you that the supercomputer does take into account Morale, Logistics, Weather and Secret Operations due to its various stats computation. We also inform you that the brainscan of generals are the most important part, because, by examining the mental state of the generals, we could determine how they would react to cirmustances, what tactics they would use, what tactics would be used to counter them, and how they'll respond to stress. The brain scans represent Human Strength...and Human Error. Other random factors can be simulated by random events simulated in the computer.

We do think this supercomputer has what it takes to accurately forecast the results of wars, however, we do need beta tests. And while it may be true that many nations may not be ready for such technology, in the future, they may very well be. The scourge of war will soon go away, it's only a matter of time.

You should read World Haven's threads, the two of you would get along in your reality bubbles. Both of you seem to think that a human created machine is superior to human judgment. If a human is flawed then he can't build a superior machine because he can not take into account every single factor that could ever possibly exist, like a natural disaster... and only an insane general would trust the lives of his men on some other human's programming to dictate who lives and who dies.... and if you think a human is smart enough to create this kind of machine then he wouldn't have to because he'd be able to do the job without a crutch.

As a general I would happily allow my enemy to comply and then as he sent his last casualty, I'd have a change of heart and not send my soldiers to commit suicide, its not our way and then we'd launch a real attack. Your computer can't take that into account can it? The fact that a general fakes compliance long enough to get an edge so that he can launch a real attack.

A human will always be able to out-think a machine because computers are so inferior to humans in the mind.... How does a computer win in chess? It plays the moves out on other boards while the human is not watching and trying out every possibility, even the dumb ones. If you played chess with another human and he left the room every turn to play on a few other boards to see the different possibilities, you'd find that pretty lame on his part, well that is how the computer does its "thinking"; it doesn't it just calculates. Its a counting machine. And since humans input numbers into that machine, it can only count what the humans can imagine.... human imagination is not enough to understand the universe so how can the computer surpass its own limitations first and then the human limitations second?

Computers to be our parents? Pure nonsense. Computers to be our tools? Sure, but I definitely won't allow my hammer to decide for me what I should eat for dinner.