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I'd like to see the interest from older nations on NWP - an alliance-like organization based on the ideals of larger nations creating a safe haven for younger nations to grow.

Here's the information:
The older nations would be here for IC and OOC guidance - OOC things such as helping the younger nations (as well as eachother) learn to improve their RPing abilities, and IC things such as helping younger nations build up their economies, defense of their nations should they come under unwarrented attacks (ViZion deems things such as genocide, offensive attacks, support of terrorism, and the like as warranted - but the finer details can be worked out later), as well as trading, guidance in the political landscape, and passing on good moral values and ways of running a nation efficienty. Also, the older nations would help represent the younger nations.

The younger nations, in turn, would continue to improve in OOC ways of RPing, and IC ways of running a country, growing old without becoming a subject of nuclear testing, and so forth.

I'd like to hear people and their interests. Please! All nations interested in being the "Protectors" (older nations - 2 billion population and larger) as well as being members of this alliance (younger nations - below 2 billion population - would be general members. Once they reach 2 billion, they can choose to become a Protector, or move out of this alliance...)

NOTE! This alliance would not be used offensively, but rather just as a safe haven. Should a nation warrent an attack by going offensive, committing genocide, and the likes, NWP Protectors would be requested to advise this nation to take steps to make peace, and cease their actions. If the younger nation refuses, they will be removed. Protectors would also be removed should they try to use the NWP to insteel poor moral values in younger nations, or use the NWP to their advantage in a war. The Protectors are required to help the younger nations, however are not required to help eachother.

Again, finer details of this alliance/organization can be worked on later. I'm just trying to see what kind of interest there is in the NWP and rather it would be worth the work and effort to create it down to the finest details or not.

Let me know what your guys thoughts and what not are on this... after all, from an OOC perspective, I think this could help greatly on NS in helping the new people RP better, thus making things much better/more interesting/more fun here on NS like the old days... and from an IC perspective, could bring some fun in should other sizable nations decide to challenge us for control of them... anyway, lemme know the interes/thoughts!

OOC: I like this idea, actually, if only to help ensure the gold gets filtered from the muck, so to speak.

Consider this an interest tag. Protecting a decent player from all the lurking warmongerers out there is certainly a damn good thing, good for the game as a whole as well the players themselves.

Watching as potential protector.

OOC: I have a feeling my country will need some serious good PR, so I'd be in if only to cultivate a good trade network.

Sounds interesting. Could help in making a new bunch, given that many of the older nations have dropped in activity.

Glad to see some interest. Others interested?

Any input?

OOC: I'd definately be interested in joining this group as a Protector: seeing as I took a rather long break away from the NS community, this seems like a good way for me to get back on the global stage ...

OOC: I 'pose it's a thumbs up for me. I haven't really had time to join many RPs (and the ones I've had usually die off). But I have been around for a bit so I can offer something

Well, I've been involved in such activity, although it was limited to words (never had to actually wage war for others), and have 3 nations now under personal protection. I guess it would be logical for me to join.

Alfegos would be interested in participation. A general member of course, seeing as the population is only about 750 million.

A global protection scheme is a good idea. However, what will the general members do?

Only problem with these "adapt-a-newb" programs is that there is always a surplus of adopters (and, redundantly, a deficiency of adoptees). I'm willing to help out other players OOCly and ICly, despite not meeting your arbitrary population limit; it's just that some players might not want to be helped, recruiting turns up very few people, and there's no other real way I can think of to determine who the protectees will be, apart from OOC arrangements like Praetonia/Clandonia Prime's.

Oh I like the idea of having big brother deal against any big bully that wants my lunch money!

OOC: I am intertested. Although right now I'm testing the water to see how much I need to do to cause International outrage :P

OOC: I am intertested. Although right now I'm testing the water to see how much I need to do to cause International outrage :P

If thats what youre aiming for than I reccommend you stop being so damn funny.

Only problem with these "adapt-a-newb" programs is that there is always a surplus of adopters (and, redundantly, a deficiency of adoptees). I'm willing to help out other players OOCly and ICly, despite not meeting your arbitrary population limit; it's just that some players might not want to be helped, recruiting turns up very few people, and there's no other real way I can think of to determine who the protectees will be, apart from OOC arrangements like Praetonia/Clandonia Prime's.
I realize that, and will be working towards changing that.

Seems to be a fair amount of interest. I'll be working on getting this up within the next couple days. :)

OOC: I kinda must echo that concern somewhat, I am here primarily because I would be interested in making sure a newb learnt how to handle NS properly and make sure ICly they're perfectly free to do normal relations without the risk of falling prey to the next Hataria.

In turn however I'm not particularly interested in defending some warmongering idiot from the consequences of his own actions.

Indeed I am only interested in helping people who come asking for help, those who are willing to learn and hopefully grow.

Who knows?

OOC: I kinda must echo that concern somewhat, I am here primarily because I would be interested in making sure a newb learnt how to handle NS properly and make sure ICly they're perfectly free to do normal relations without the risk of falling prey to the next Hataria.

In turn however I'm not particularly interested in defending some warmongering idiot from the consequences of his own actions.

Indeed I am only interested in helping people who come asking for help, those who are willing to learn and hopefully grow.

Who knows?
In regards to the italicized part, as stated in the original post, if the newbie does go offensive and does not heed our warnings, he/she will be booted. We will not defend those like that. On the flip side, one who heeds the warning, or doesn't go offensive what so ever will be defended against imperialists and other warmongers, as well as shown the ropes and helped along OOCly on their RPing and figuring things out.

I'd like to participate, but don't know what to do if the weaker nation comes under attack. While I'm gaining some basic strategic skills, it may not always be enough to win, depending on who the weaker nation pisses off.

I'd like to participate, but don't know what to do if the weaker nation comes under attack. While I'm gaining some basic strategic skills, it may not always be enough to win, depending on who the weaker nation pisses off.
We, as an organization, will fight to defend any general member nation who is part of us for safe keeping and learning. Should they cause a problem and refuse to fix it, we will not, however, assist them.

If thats what youre aiming for than I reccommend you stop being so damn funny.

Well thanks... Although I find it hard to do something outrageous that isn't a little bit of a joke :P

OOC: Haven't we tried this before ViZion?

And DB: try blending babies and declearing pregnant women open season for hunting. >.>

Fair idea, but I wouldn't do it. Newbies are often stubborn, unhelpful, and storm away with their middle finger raised when they are told not to do something.

I like it, but I'm not in it.

OOC: Heck, why not. There might be some good RP'ing to be had as well...

Do I meet the criteria for old?

Let me know what your guys thoughts and what not are on this... after all, from an OOC perspective, I think this could help greatly on NS in helping the new people RP better, thus making things much better/more interesting/more fun here on NS like the old days... and from an IC perspective, could bring some fun in should other sizable nations decide to challenge us for control of them... anyway, lemme know the interes/thoughts!

OOC: This is what I'm talking about, people... I miss the pre-Jolt days. The RP quality was so much better, and the Kindergarten-level spellers and writers were few and far between.

Militarily, my skills lay in the realms of weapons (both useage and customization, mostly small arms), as well as small unit tactics and special operations. I haven't however, done too many large-scale war RP's in a very long time. I'm more of a Character-RP guy.

Could I join in the interest of preserving my nations tribal lifestyle?

OOC: Couple things..

I like the idea Viz, but there is the MT/FT problem. I'm FFT, a majority of the nublits start out MT..so if i try to defend one, I'd get ignored for having superlazerslol4. And..do we have to form an actual IC alliance of us old farts? Why not just make an OOC support network that spots out people who are starting to get the hang of it and keeps them on the right track? And if we see some promising young buck getting attacked by a mini-warmonger, one could just extend military amnesty to said promising young buck. That way we won't have to deal with the general conflicts of forming and maintaining a full fledged alliance.

OOC: Haven't we tried this before ViZion?

And DB: try blending babies and declearing pregnant women open season for hunting. >.>

hmm.... sounds like a good idea!

OOC: I roll MT, so I might be able to help there.

And I agree with Trailers here. Do we need to form a cohesive group or what?

OOC:
This does sound like an interesting idea to me. I'm leaning towards joining and helping out, but with things as hectic as they are here right now, I may not be RPing too much till mid to late January. Give me some time to think about this ViZion and i'll get back to you.

OOC: I roll MT, so I might be able to help there.

And I agree with Trailers here. Do we need to form a cohesive group or what?

OOC: The OOC idea is good, I just dont see the practicality of forming an actual IC league of nations that go around "doing the right thing" and shit. See? OOCly, I'll happily mentor someone, and if I see the benefit, put an end to a war before someone 'n00ks teh eneme wit der n00k s', but an IC alliance just wouldn't be very..eh..IC. Seems like it's blurring the OOC/IC line to me.

TSS, yes, but alas, it's not around now, is it? ;)

As per the IC issue, I'd like to see atleast a network - not a full fledged alliance. Alas, like I said before, it does not mean we have to aid eachother (us old guys), but rather work together ICly in the event the younger members come under attack.

OOCly, obviously. And if people are opposed of having an IC network at least, I guess we can go with an OOC network of us helping out, and offer IC assistance if they need it.

Well, to put my position.

We'll readily assist post-apocalyptic nations (not necessarily post-nuclear) - we have IC sympathy for nations in positions like ours.
Note I didn't say "any": nazi, slavers, etc., can only expect the worst. Same applies to anti-communist or anti-capitalist or anti-[any other legit structure], once you expose such IC position or join such alliance, you're on your own; "pro" is fine, "anti" isn't.

The postnuclear thing applies to those restoring after being nuked, but please understand that getting nuked like Kahanistan and like GR are different things.
Other nations need to find some IC reason for us to help them; I do RP my nation quite strictly. We're in UFAN, so, if you share UFAN's goals (basically are "good guy"), welcome.

OOC: A network works for me. Although you should bear in mind, Dyelli Beybi is ALWAYS out for itself first ;)

Consider me in, I try to do thingsd like this by myself. A good example is me getting in touch with Ryou (Hataria) and working with him to improve his RPing. Granted, it isn't up to the standard you expect from the oldest RPers here, but none the less it has improved. A group that works en mass to help the "little'ns" is a great idea.

I am, admittedly, interested. Although more in a future-tech capacity than a modern-tech one.

I'd also like to offer a suggestion, if I may. If we used this thread to perhaps put up timezones and times we could be on, (probably posted ultimately in US East-Coast time, 'cause most people are there, from what I know), and maybe factbooks and examples of RP, we'd be able to give newbies descriptions of people who might like to help them.

Also, I'd prefer to see this alliance used in an OOC, defensive capacity. People help newbies who are being needlessly curbstomped by bigger guys ("Needlessly" meaning the newbies in question haven't gone and invaded someone for the hell of it, or something to that effect), in which we can co-ordinate OOCly to make sure that they don't get annihilated, but get helped.

If we all jump on the boat when a newbie's attacked, they'll never be able to have a good war. And those are enjoyable.

Lastly, I think the humanitarian/whatever aspect needs to be dropped. We don't want to make sure newbies refuse ever to RP anything evil, or go to war. That's no fun. Rather, let's pair up new guys with people who have the same outlook, so they're able to play the way they like without one view being imposed on them.

Admittedly, all these tend to be fairly common, and they rarely work out. Mainly because newbies don't fish around for threads like these; they just want to get into the roleplaying.

So, yeah. An IC alliance designed to help new nations isn't such a great idea. An OOC group that co-ordinates so that they can help new players out in the best way possible by matching them up to players who they'll be able to talk to on IM (by being on at the same times), and who can help them construct their nation in the way they want to (by having a viewpoint or playing style that's fairly similiar), is a great idea.

OOC:
Personally I'm interested and will join on an FT level. On an MT level I will not join until all members of my alliance vote on whether or not to have the United Defense Directorate join up. If we vote in the affirmative I'll follow up with a post on behalf of the entire alliance and members who wish to add their own statements will do so as well.
If we vote negative, I'll let you guys know as well.

Alright, we'll go with an OOC group - and in the future possibly can move ICly, though as a network instead of an alliance.

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Alright, count me in.