NationStates Jolt Archive

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Right, this is basically what is says in the title, I have decided to set a world in a very unique area of history, before the first world war and after the gunpowder of era.

For claims, instead of choosing a bunch of colonies and making a lot of complicated calcualtions, I have made countries based loosly on the empires of the era. The map is below with the choices:

http://s239.photobucket.com/albums/ff167/mreynolds058/?action=view&current=untitled1.jpg

The first number is for military, the second is for economy. Each has a rating out of a hundred and the higher it is, the better the military or economy

Red: - British Empire (M:90) (E:85) - Alversia
Yellow: - French Empire (M:88) (E:80) - Alexandare
Dark Pink: - Belgian Empire (M:59) (E:85) Taken
Blue: - Spanish Empire (M:65 E:75) - Honako
Pink: - Portuguese Empire (M:62 E:72) Taken
Orange: - Italian Empire (M:61 E:69 Taken
Light Yellow: - Ottoman Empire (M:52) (E:55)
Green: - Russian Empire (M:81 E:83) - Antigonal
Light Green: - German Empire (M:91 E:83) - Belkaros
Light Blue: - Swedish Empire (M:60 E:70) - Lachenburg
Dark Purple: - Danish Empire (M:57 E: 70)
Light Purple: - Japanese Empire (M:74 E:80) - Rechburg
Dark Green: - Romania (M:54 E:60)
Dark Brown: - Bulgaria (M:56 E:61)
Dark Blue: Brazil (M:53 E:58) - Multitanna
Light brown: Dutch Empire (M:58 E:68)
Viridian: Austro-Hungarian Empire (M:68 E:71) - No Taxes
Dark turquoise: U.S.A (M:72 E:94) - Angaor
Light Gold: Mexico (M:58 E: 60) Taken
Dark dark Blue: Chinese Empire (M:71 E:36) - Stoklomolvi
Lilic: Chile (M:55 E:60)
Light Pink: Argentina (M:54 E:59) Taken
Dark gold; Ethiopia (M:40 E:50) - Jamkong

The grey areas are those yet colonised and should generate a few arguements in those places.

Military:
0-20: Military is non existant
21-40: Mostly flintlock muskets or tribal weapons
41-60: Some modern weapons but not a lot, relies on other powers to supply weapons
61-80: mostly modern weapons but not as effective as the biggest powers
81-100: The most modern weaponry available, Gatling guns, Pre-Dreadnoughts, Breech loading rifles.

Economy:
LEVEL ONE: 0-20: Non-existant
LEVEL TWO: 21-40: Very primitive economy
LEVEL THREE: 41-60: Economy is stable and trade is regular but not a world challenger in any way
LEVEL FOUR: 61-80: The economy is strong and stable, and trade is key part of income. May occasionally produce technological leap
LEVEL FIVE: 81-100: Advanced modern economy, powerful trade routes and manufacturing powerhouse

The military score limits the size of the army and how well trained and equipped it is. Economy decides how stable the country is as well as who has the best change of making a technological leap forwards in terms of weapons. The population is up to you as is the military but I need to approve them first.

Write a factbook post within this thread under the following headings

Population

Military
(including images if possible)

Navy

Politics

Communications

Transport

Technology Available:
Breech-Loading rifles
Pre-Dreadnoughts
Primitive submarines
Zepplins
Gatling guns
Explosive shells and shrapnel
Telegraph and telephone
Railways

Technology unavailable:
Bolt-Action rifles
Heavy machine guns
Aircraft
Dreadnoughts

Technology advancements
Generally, I'll decide who is the first to develop a new technology, (ie Russia might create the first Maxim gun) After that Countries with a Level 5 E rating can produce copies, other nations would have to buy the weapons from a bigger nation.

I'll add more when I have the chance, Claim a country if you wish

United States Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13273830#post13273830)
British Empire Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530840)

Japanese Empire - M: 89
USA - M: 80
?????

If your point of divergence is 1890, you'd better double-check this...

Japanese Empire - M: 89
USA - M: 80
?????

If your point of divergence is 1890, you'd better double-check this...

Good point, I'll change it, although Japan did have a modern army by this stage (Kindly provided by the Germans and French)

Bump

I will join as the USA if thats cool

I will join as the USA if thats cool

Sure, do a factbook post and you're in. Make up stats for your population and military and I'll approve them.

Alright give about 15-20 minutes and i should be done i might be done before that

Alright give about 15-20 minutes and i should be done i might be done before that

Cool, try to get more interest in this if you can, please

Cool, try to get more interest in this if you can, please

I might know some people

I might know some people

Thanks

Bump

Aye do you know where i can find some info on the US Army in the 1800s i know during the civil war they had 2 million troops

Aye do you know where i can find some info on the US Army in the 1800s

Is Wikipedia any good?
Try this site: http://www.army.mil/CMH/lineage/USA-1890.htm

Need a few more signups if this is gonna take off

Is Wikipedia any good?
Try this site: http://www.army.mil/CMH/lineage/USA-1890.htm

Need a few more signups if this is gonna take off

ight hold up let me holla at some the people in my region

ight hold up let me holla at some the people in my region

Cool

I would like to be Germany.

I would like to be Germany.

Not a problem, post a factbook and you're set

Bump

Hey Al, I have a few questions before I claim:

(1) Shouldn't Russia have a higher military score at this point? They were moving at the pace of the industrial revolution at this point. The had just completed the longest railroad in history, they're certainly a industrial powerhouse now.

(2) Can those nations that weren't put on the list to be claimed but weren't left gray either be puppet states? Like Mexico, could that be a puppet of the US?

By the way, I'm between France and Russia.

Hey Al, I have a few questions before I claim:

(1) Shouldn't Russia have a higher military score at this point? They were moving at the pace of the industrial revolution at this point. The had just completed the longest railroad in history, they're certainly a industrial powerhouse now.

(2) Can those nations that weren't put on the list to be claimed but weren't left gray either be puppet states? Like Mexico, could that be a puppet of the US?

1. Good points, I'll change those now

2. Mexico is meant to be on the list and it is my fault it isn't (a lot of countries to keep up with)

How's you're post apocalyptic world going?

and also Alaska belongs to US at this point in history

and also Alaska belongs to US at this point in history

Does it?
Damn
Should have researched this more thoughly

nah its cool tho i mean i wasnt going to say anything cause i didnt know if meant to have it like that or not

1. Good points, I'll change those now

2. Mexico is meant to be on the list and it is my fault it isn't (a lot of countries to keep up with)

How's you're post apocalyptic world going?

Not so well, it didn't last very long, but I opened a second one in late October that takes place in 1492. It was invitational only, I sent you an invite but I just figured you weren't interested. It's being going strong for a little less than two months now. It's a great little off-site group, Angaor's in it.

Glad to hear it, it's not that I wasn't interested, it was just I couldn't really join another forum when the ones I'm using now are enough

Map's been updated so that Alaska is part of the US of A

Alright just call me Russia then. Might I suggest we move off-site? I've had a lot of success in all the RPs I've joined off-site. Plus just about anything is faster and more reliable than Jolt. Remember how our thread just stopped opening one day with E1860?

Alright just call me Russia then. Might I suggest we move off-site? I've had a lot of success in all the RPs I've joined off-site. Plus just about anything is faster and more reliable than Jolt. Remember how our thread just stopped opening one day with E1860?

I remember, where would you suggest?

I remember, where would you suggest?

Invisionfree has been nothing but good to me.

Oh, and could I get some more of Central Asia? During this time Russia was right on the border with Persia and Afghanistan.

edit: actually they controlled part of what we consider northern Afghanistan as well.

Currant Empire not big enough?

Invisionfree has been nothing but good to me.

Yeah Invisionfree is a good site

If we get an off-site RP going, may I be the Russia (preferred), the China, or the British Empire?

I haven't a clue how to use it

It's easy! They say, go to invisionfree.com and click "register".

Done, want to claim a country?

It's easy! They say, go to invisionfree.com and click "register".

Previous post. :D

If we get an off-site RP going, may I be the Russia (preferred), the China, or the British Empire?

Ants got Russia, I've got Britain and the East of China's part of the Japanese Empire, if you want that

Prussia?

You know, I'm up for a challenge. I'll take Brazil. How do I make a factbook entry? (basically what I'm asking is do I just reply with a certain title and the right stuff or do I have to do something special).

Prussia?

Taken, list's on the front page

You know, I'm up for a challenge. I'll take Brazil. How do I make a factbook entry? (basically what I'm asking is do I just reply with a certain title and the right stuff or do I have to do something special).

Just make a thread with the following headings:

Population - Democraphics of your nation
Military - Is it professional? How big is it? What weapons does it use (See front page for details)
(including images if possible)
Navy: How many ships? Are they modern? Where are the ships based?
Politics: Who runs the country? Are there political parties?
Communications: How easy is it to communicate in your country?
Transport How do people get around in your country?

China and the Chinese resistance, then.

China and the Chinese resistance, then.

Right then, I'll have to edit the map as that wasn't one of the original choices :( (More work for me)

You could leave it blank...I was planning on being the game's cartographer and timekeeper etc.

You could leave it blank...I was planning on being the game's cartographer and timekeeper etc.

How do you mean?

Menial tasks, such as updating maps, could be assigned to me, I suppose.

Menial tasks, such as updating maps, could be assigned to me, I suppose.

Isn't that supposed to be my job :D

How would you like to play as the Belgian Empire? Or the Portugese? Or the Spanish?

Nobody likes the Belgians :p . Their treatment of the Congolese peoples was protested by many. I'm not too fond with the Portuguese or Spanish empires, since I'm not familiar with them at all, and since I am Chinese I would prefer the Chinese peoples over all else; less work on a factbook too, since everything would be disputed.

Nobody likes the Belgians :p . Their treatment of the Congolese peoples was protested by many. I'm not too fond with the Portuguese or Spanish empires, since I'm not familiar with them at all, and since I am Chinese I would prefer the Chinese peoples over all else; less work on a factbook too, since everything would be disputed.

The Dutch? The Austro-Hungarians? Even the Mexicans or the Romanians...

Nobody likes the Belgians :p . Their treatment of the Congolese peoples was protested by many. I'm not too fond with the Portuguese or Spanish empires, since I'm not familiar with them at all, and since I am Chinese I would prefer the Chinese peoples over all else; less work on a factbook too, since everything would be disputed.

I think he just trying to make it easier beacause he has had to change the map like 9 times already today

If that's the case, then why not let me handle the technical aspect of the RP? I'll even make the RP on invisionfree if you want.

If that's the case, then why not let me handle the technical aspect of the RP? I'll even make the RP on invisionfree if you want.

It's fine, I can handle it :)

How about Sweden or Denmark?

If the answers no to them, then I'll create a Chinese Empire somewhere, don't expect miracles in terms of the military or economy though

One question, why 1890? :P

One question, why 1890? :P

For awkwards sake,

In the early 1700's there are no real empires and it takes AGES for two nations to even meet each other, in the 1900's major world wars but how would a country start a war without a reason. I though 1890 was a nice compromise. After the musket and the cannon but before the bolt action rifle and the Maxim

Make it 1871 :p . I still really want China, though...

For awkwards sake,

In the early 1700's there are no real empires and it takes AGES for two nations to even meet each other, in the 1900's major world wars but how would a country start a war without a reason. I though 1890 was a nice compromise. After the musket and the cannon but before the bolt action rifle and the Maxim

yeah i see where you coming from

Make it 1871 :p . I still really want China, though...

Right then, I'll create a little Chinese Kingdom for you to RP, but you're sharing a border with Russia and Japan so expect a few wars. And don't expect a great military

Note that all your colonies are really screwed up.

Note that all your colonies are really screwed up.

Best I could do with modern boundries, My apologies if they are no perfect but do you know how hard it is to get an accurate map for the Dutch Empire in 1890?

the colonies seem to be pretty accurate whats wrong with them

Best I could do with modern boundries, My apologies if they are no perfect but do you know how hard it is to get an accurate map for the Dutch Empire in 1890?

No insults but those are like really obvious mistakes.

No insults but those are like really obvious mistakes.

Like I said, this isn't picture perfect, If it was then Prussia would still exist there would be nothing left to colonies and there would be hundreds of little countries in europe like Serbia and Albania :(
A Pain in the arse, think of it as poetic licence...

Here are some of them

Dutch Controls Java and Boneo

British Controls Sabah and Sarawak and Malaya

New Guneia Brown? :confused:
Half was controlled by the Dutch (Left) Half by the British (Right)

Ethiopia was still independent

Britain controls Pakistan

Those are some and I wonder why does Belgium Control Portugal? :confused:

Here are some of them

Dutch Controls Java and Boneo

British Controls Sabah and Sarawak and Malaya

New Guneia Brown? :confused:
Half was controlled by the Dutch (Left) Half by the British (Right)

Ethiopia was still independent

Britain controls Pakistan

Those are some and I wonder why does Belgium Control Portugal? :confused:

DAMNIT!! I've used the same colour twice

[Walks off sadly to redraft map again]

The colonies aren't perfect, far from it but I am not redrawing the entire map, is that a problem, sir?

*Cough* I'll do it *Cough*

DAMNIT!! I've used the same colour twice

[Walks off sadly to redraft map again]

The colonies aren't perfect, far from it but I am not redrawing the entire map, is that a problem, sir?

I will not join this RP but I will help do the map, or rather, help you fix the problems.

*Cough* I'll do it *Cough*

I was happy with the map as it is, clearly nobody else agrees with it though...

And Stoklomolvi, your Chinese Empire's up, tell me if you want it bigger smaller or whatnot now before I upload another one

Im straight with the map it doesnt have to 100 percent accurate i mean we are basically recreating history

Im straight with the map it doesnt have to 100 percent accurate i mean we are basically recreating history

Im not sure if its still against the forum rules.

Im not sure if its still against the forum rules.

It is moving off site at some point in the near future

How about a compromise?
I give the East Indies to Holland while Malysia, Pakistan go to Britain? Okay?

Bump

could i claim france or is it taken, if it is could i then take russia

could i claim france or is it taken, if it is could i then take russia

Nope, you can have France, create a factbook and you're good to go

I'd be rather interested in being the Spanish Empire, if I may.

This map isn't real like, right? Because if that were so the Spanish Empire in america would be independent, Portugal never had Venezuela, and such little things. Those things are just about game balance, right?

I am interested in this, perhaps as the Austro-Hungarian Empire, though I also have a few points of interest about the military and economic numbers for a few nations. I think the Ottoman Empire is rated too highly, especially economically and in comparison to Romania and Bulgaria, since those two nations and a few other small Balkan nations were regularly defeating the Ottoman Empire in war at this point in time. The Ottoman Empire was on the verge of destruction due to nationalism and many other factors (much like the AH Empire though the Ottoman Empire was in much more danger) and I don't think its economy should even be above 60. Also, I think the Chinese Empire is very overrated (sorry Stoklomolvi), especially economically, as it was also on the verge of collapse with regional warlords having as much or even more power than the emperor. Lastly, I was just wondering why Spain still controlled Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay. Argentina at this point at time was just as powerful and independent as Brazil, with Chile not too far behind.

That's just my two cents on the whole thing; however, and if you don't necessarily want perfect historical accuracy everything is fine the way it is. Either way I would like the Austro-Hungarian Empire. :p

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be greedy by claiming more land in Central Asia, just trying to keep it realistic. I lost Alaska (even though I historically didn't own it at this point) and I'd be willing to give up some less accurately held areas for my land there.

I'll go Japan if no one else has it.
Will have a basic fact book up later today.

Invisionfree is excellent for this, I have and am using it on several other similar Rps and have never had a problem

Holy! I didn't see the ratings for China before I went to bed, lulz. I was expecting something like a 75 military due to guerilla operations, and a 30 for economics due to it being occupied. Also, Japan does not, and will never be able to control such a huge parcel of Chinese land. The Chinese would never allow it, and they would lose one parcel when they conquer another. Same with the Russians; they would never be able to hold Manchuria for overly long periods of time.

I am interested in this, perhaps as the Austro-Hungarian Empire, though I also have a few points of interest about the military and economic numbers for a few nations. I think the Ottoman Empire is rated too highly, especially economically and in comparison to Romania and Bulgaria, since those two nations and a few other small Balkan nations were regularly defeating the Ottoman Empire in war at this point in time. The Ottoman Empire was on the verge of destruction due to nationalism and many other factors (much like the AH Empire though the Ottoman Empire was in much more danger) and I don't think its economy should even be above 60. Also, I think the Chinese Empire is very overrated (sorry Stoklomolvi), especially economically, as it was also on the verge of collapse with regional warlords having as much or even more power than the emperor. Lastly, I was just wondering why Spain still controlled Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay. Argentina at this point at time was just as powerful and independent as Brazil, with Chile not too far behind.

That's just my two cents on the whole thing; however, and if you don't necessarily want perfect historical accuracy everything is fine the way it is. Either way I would like the Austro-Hungarian Empire. :p

Get a factbook up then, and I will make Argentina an independant country then :)

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be greedy by claiming more land in Central Asia, just trying to keep it realistic. I lost Alaska (even though I historically didn't own it at this point) and I'd be willing to give up some less accurately held areas for my land there.

Name what you'll lose and what you'll gain

I'll go Japan if no one else has it.
Will have a basic fact book up later today.

Invisionfree is excellent for this, I have and am using it on several other similar Rps and have never had a problem

It's yours expect a war with China in the near future though

Holy! I didn't see the ratings for China before I went to bed, lulz. I was expecting something like a 75 military due to guerilla operations, and a 30 for economics due to it being occupied. Also, Japan does not, and will never be able to control such a huge parcel of Chinese land. The Chinese would never allow it, and they would lose one parcel when they conquer another. Same with the Russians; they would never be able to hold Manchuria for overly long periods of time.

Well, China of the day was not exactly a single united force but I'll edit it.

"It's yours expect a war with China in the near future though"

Hmmm well I didnt join because of my love for peace;)

But Then maybe a Japanes-Chinese combo maybe what the world needs, take note you nasty European type imperialist people.

We movin' over to invisionfree soon? I'm itching to get my factbook done.

Is it possible to claim the nation of Ethiopia? It was never colonized by any European power in the late 1800's and it won the Battle of Adwa against the Italians. Anywho, if that's a possibility, I'd want to be Ethiopia.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/et.html

We movin' over to invisionfree soon? I'm itching to get my factbook done.

I've lost the forum URL :rolleyes::headbang:
So I'll have to create a new one which I can't do for 24 hours
Sorry...

Great...erm, I could make one, or I could scavenge the whole of invisionfree for your forum if you remember what you named it...

Great...erm, I could make one, or I could scavenge the whole of invisionfree for your forum if you remember what you named it...

Earth 1890

Not sure if this is a repeat post or not but:

I would like to claim Ethiopia if that is a possibility, it was independent during the entire 19th century, fending off the Italians in the Battle of Adwa.

http://z15.invisionfree.com/Earth_1890

Voila!

Not sure if this is a repeat post or not but:

I would like to claim Ethiopia if that is a possibility, it was independent during the entire 19th century, fending off the Italians in the Battle of Adwa.

I'll have to make it...

THANKS STOKLOMOLVI!!

I've lost the forum URL :rolleyes::headbang:
So I'll have to create a new one which I can't do for 24 hours
Sorry...

Haha, that happened to me when I tried to set up my off-site forum on Invisionfree. It's really important you bookmark the URL because, since there are so many freakin' forums on IF, you will never find it again :(.

I'll have to make it...

THANKS STOKLOMOLVI!!


Thanks alot!

I got Brazil's factbook up. Tell me if its ok.

TG Ant

Should we register on the one Stoklomolvi made?

Should we register on the one Stoklomolvi made?

It's actually my site

So it looks like on the map that my territorial differences from real life are the loss of Czechoslovakia, Galicia and western Romania and the gains of Serbia, Albania and Macedonia. In light of these changes is it okay if I have the political structure deviate from how it was historically in order to accomoddate these demographical differences?

Triple-post! Lulz, finding it is easy. You need to remember the name of your board, and change the z2 etc. in front of it to find your board.

So it looks like on the map that my territorial differences from real life are the loss of Czechoslovakia, Galicia and western Romania and the gains of Serbia, Albania and Macedonia. In light of these changes is it okay if I have the political structure deviate from how it was historically in order to accomoddate these demographical differences?

Fine, it's your country

Get a factbook up then, and I will make Argentina an independant country then :)

Oh damn. Can I be the Spanish Empire anyway, and do I get to keep other colonies in South America?

Oh damn. Can I be the Spanish Empire anyway, and do I get to keep other colonies in South America?

Apart from Chile, yeah and you are in a prime position to expand further north, despite your military weakness.

TG Stoklomolvi

Maybe. I haven't decided whether I'll be an expansionist power yet, or focus on improving myself and defending against all the other mighty Empires out there. Oh, and although it is worth little really in this game, I think the Western Sahara should be mine.

Maybe. I haven't decided whether I'll be an expansionist power yet, or focus on improving myself and defending against all the other mighty Empires out there. Oh, and although it is worth little really in this game, I think the Western Sahara should be mine.

Take it up with France :D

If you would so allow me, I'd like to claim the Swedish Empire. Thank you.

Take it up with France :D

Well, I seem to have noticed that we are trying to be historical accurate here, so I thought I'd mention it...though you have been rather nice to me with my South America lands, so I'll let it go, but would prefer to have it of course. :p No need to go to war with an adjoining country over a piece of desert.

If you would so allow me, I'd like to claim the Swedish Empire. Thank you.

Not a problem, make a factbook and you're in

I'd cede Mongolia for the Stan countries in Central Asia (save for Pakistan which is yours and Afghanistan which I would just like a northern foothold in if possible).

I'd cede Mongolia for the Stan countries in Central Asia (save for Pakistan which is yours and Afghanistan which I would just like a northern foothold in if possible).

I'll deal with that then

Done, tell me what you think

Thanks, that looks great.

Competition for central asia I think :D

Bump

Bumpage!

anyone know where to find naval stats my fackbook is http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=544921&highlight=Alexandare

anyone know where to find naval stats my fackbook is http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=544921&highlight=Alexandare
You should put your factbook on the offsite forum here: http://z15.invisionfree.com/Earth_1890/index.php?showforum=1

Also, several major colonial powers are still open such as the Dutch, Portuguese, Ottomans.

Bump if you wanna go faster baby!
Bump if you wanna go faster.

Bump.

Bump

Hmm, still alot of major European powers left..

Join up!

Hello, I was interested in joining as a Belgian Congo Black Revolutionary Group. I posted in the forum, but wanted to get the admin's approval before I register. I am aware there are European Powers left... I'm just not very interested in joining as them.

Hello, I was interested in joining as a Belgian Congo Black Revolutionary Group. I posted in the forum, but wanted to get the admin's approval before I register. I am aware there are European Powers left... I'm just not very interested in joining as them.

Hmmm...Not sure, what do you think Stoklomolvi?

Well, I'm only a player designated to aid in the running of the RP, but at any rate I personally think that having all of the major powers filled first would be preferable. Otherwise, Kro could join as Belgium and have events happen in his empire.

Well, I'm only a player designated to aid in the running of the RP, but at any rate I personally think that having all of the major powers filled first would be preferable. Otherwise, Kro could join as Belgium and have events happen in his empire.

That's what I was thinking

I wish to be Italy if it is still open

I wish to be Italy if it is still open

Go for it. Just register on the forum, post your claim and wait for an Admin to approve you.

Shoop da whoop: BUMP!

Is the map current?

Is the map current?

How do you mean?

Bump.

Never-mind thought colors were the claimed areas. I just read and know what it is now. I would like to claim Mexico if I can.

Whoops hit the button to many times!

Go ahead and claim it; Al will review it, but I approve for now.

Bump.

Bump

Bump

Not any more it isn't. Dutchy there claimed it already.
Well, it was open :p, I'll edit my post.

Post edited. Bump :p

Bump, could use an Italy.

Bump, more than anything we need the people who have already claimed to be more active.