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I want the more experienced members of the International Incidents Forum to examine the quality of my map and give me their opinions. It may be a little bit confusing in the northern area's where there are several seemingly well-placed cities being marked as "Abandoned", there is a reason behind this and will be explained when I get around to making a fact book. Also, the imperial capital, Ryrilor, also goes by an easier to spell name, Corvina. Either one works. It is labled Ryrilor on the map.

Here is the map:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj161/AcalianEmpire/Map-1.png

Opinions?

The directions (N, S, E, W) seems incorrect. :confused:

The directions (N, S, E, W) seems incorrect. :confused:

Wow. Oops. Hold on.

FIXED!

I gotta say, I'm impressed. A lot of people don't put that much detail into their nation's map. Good job.

I gotta say, I'm impressed. A lot of people don't put that much detail into their nation's map. Good job.

I wanted it too be realistic and with that goal in mind I set about it. The only thing I was worried about was someone saying something about the number of cities and towns with only 6 million citizens.

I wanted it too be realistic and with that goal in mind I set about it. The only thing I was worried about was someone saying something about the number of cities and towns with only 6 million citizens.

Well hey, that'll change quickly. Besides, you never specified what is classified as a "city," "town," etc. Really, nobody will make an issue out of it unless they're just trying to be a pain.

I wanted it too be realistic and with that goal in mind I set about it. The only thing I was worried about was someone saying something about the number of cities and towns with only 6 million citizens.

within a month you'll be atleast the size of the US.

Well hey, that'll change quickly. Besides, you never specified what is classified as a "city," "town," etc. Really, nobody will make an issue out of it unless they're just trying to be a pain.

Alright. Thats cool. I have made other maps for other nations before and I always get complaints about the rivers looking weird, or just jumping off in random directions and splitting multiple times and never getting thinner, basically just being unrealistic.

Do they look realistic on this map?

within a month you'll be atleast the size of the US.

That fast? In that case it map be wise to make the map bigger and to add more cities later on.

I'd say yes, but then again, I'm not a cartographer, I simply sell maps :p

But yes, they look realistic (to me at least).

And you shouldn't have to worry about making your map larger. You could always just say that the cities grew, or whatnot. But then again, there's nothing wrong with expansion.

I'd say yes, but then again, I'm not a cartographer, I simply sell maps :p

But yes, they look realistic (to me at least).

And you shouldn't have to worry about making your map larger. You could always just say that the cities grew, or whatnot. But then again, there's nothing wrong with expansion.

Alright, thats cool. As long as they look like rivers and not random blue lines drawn on the map.

And yes, I do plan on expanding, be it through conquest or simply annexing the grey areas around my nation... I haven't decided yet.

It's not bad, but it's nothing special either.

It looks good enough to invade! :D

It looks good enough to invade! :D

Absolutely not, I would much rather prefer to remain sovereign for as long as is feasible. :p

It's not bad, but it's nothing special either.

Thats cool.

What is the predominate religion of your country? Government type? Political ideaology?

What is the predominate religion of your country? Government type? Political ideaology?

The country as a whole is based off the Greco-Roman-Arab culture found around the mediterranean sea (as you may be able to tell by some of the names of cities/towns/bases). The predominate religion is the Acalian Patriarchal Christian Church, but Islam is a runner up for most wide spread religion in Acalia. The government type is a mix between a constitutional monarchy and an absolute monarchy in that the parliament has the freedom to decide on some things independent of the Emperor, but on most, the Emperor has the final say. Political ideaology... Still working on that. I want to say nonintervention/noninterference, but that wouldn't fit for an imperial government.

The country as a whole is based off the Greco-Roman-Arab culture found around the mediterranean sea (as you may be able to tell by some of the names of cities/towns/bases). The predominate religion is the Acalian Patriarchal Christian Church, but Islam is a runner up for most wide spread religion in Acalia. The government type is a mix between a constitutional monarchy and an absolute monarchy in that the parliament has the freedom to decide on some things independent of the Emperor, but on most, the Emperor has the final say. Political ideaology... Still working on that. I want to say nonintervention/noninterference, but that wouldn't fit for an imperial government.

How would you like to be my vassal?

How would you like to be my vassal?

What would happen if I say yes?

What would happen if I say yes?

You would be the vassal of a nation in the most fail alliance ever. Well, no, I take that back... One of the most fail.

You would be the vassal of a nation in the most fail alliance ever. Well, no, I take that back... One of the most fail.

Oh. Well then no. I don't want FAIL attached to my nation.

Well. I'm going to bed. Night.

You would be the vassal of a nation in the most fail alliance ever. Well, no, I take that back... One of the most fail.
:D

Well anyway, your map's fine (now I'm not confused with directions!). Unless you have some more concerns (on the map at least), perhaps we can help. ;)

What program did you use?

Not too bad, by NS standards pretty damn good in fact. It would be interesting if you could put in either geographic features or topography though, as terrain is often as vital to know as cities are ;)

http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs19/f/2007/305/1/a/Freethinker_Mainland___Cities_by_Freethinker1984.png < Gratuitious self plugging, but I think sets a decent example.

Having a map nonetheless is an excellent starting tool for RPs and the like, and indeed your cartography may shape your nation more than just physically in time.

:D

Well anyway, your map's fine (now I'm not confused with directions!). Unless you have some more concerns (on the map at least), perhaps we can help. ;)

What program did you use?

MS Paint

What program did you use?

MS Paint is epic, I do all my maps in there. (look at em in my siggy. They be outdated but im in the process of making new ones)

EDIT- Free, i <3 ur map. Its better than mine ;_;

Not too bad, by NS standards pretty damn good in fact. It would be interesting if you could put in either geographic features or topography though, as terrain is often as vital to know as cities are ;)

http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs19/f/2007/305/1/a/Freethinker_Mainland___Cities_by_Freethinker1984.png < Gratuitious self plugging, but I think sets a decent example.

Having a map nonetheless is an excellent starting tool for RPs and the like, and indeed your cartography may shape your nation more than just physically in time.


Thanks for the advise. Though it will be difficult to make a geographic map on MS paint. Political maps are easy, geographic... Not so much.

Though it will be difficult to make a geographic map on MS paint. Political maps are easy, geographic... Not so much.
I thought most people use more sophisticated programs for their maps. I used MSPaint too (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brutlandandnordenbigmapdl2.png) for the terrain, the coastline, and the hydrology, though I cheated and added names with Paint Shop Pro 6. :p

I thought most people use more sophisticated programs for their maps. I used MSPaint too (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brutlandandnordenbigmapdl2.png) for the terrain, the coastline, and the hydrology, though I cheated and added names with Paint Shop Pro 6. :p

Your map looked hellishly complicated, I don't have the skills to do that on MS Paint.

Your map looked hellishly complicated, I don't have the skills to do that on MS Paint.

Look at my topgraphical map. It's not a lot of skill. Its just a high level of zoom and a helluva a lot of time with the line tool. I use it instead of the pencil, etc.

ALL HAIL THE LINE TOOL!

See this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=544815) thread, Acalia.

Look at my topgraphical map. It's not a lot of skill. Its just a high level of zoom and a helluva a lot of time with the line tool. I use it instead of the pencil, etc.

ALL HAIL THE LINE TOOL!

You have a nice map. But I will have to put topgraphy on mine tomorrow because it is 3:00 AM here and I am to tired to accuratly move the mouse with any kind of precision.

See this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=544815) thread, Acalia.

I will think about it. My only point of contention is that of the Catholic Church. I will not renounce the Patriarch and replace him with your Pope.

I will think about it. My only point of contention is that of the Catholic Church. I will not renounce the Patriarch and replace him with your Pope.

Don't make me invade you. :)

Don't make me invade you. :)

I do not wish to cause tension between our two nations, but you must understand our faith is the same as yours. But our connections with Almighty God are different. Gens Romae has the Pope, Acalia has the Patriarch.

Look at my topgraphical map. It's not a lot of skill. Its just a high level of zoom and a helluva a lot of time with the line tool. I use it instead of the pencil, etc.

ALL HAIL THE LINE TOOL!
What line tool? :p Hehe, I use the pencil.

I do not wish to cause tension between our two nations, but you must understand our faith is the same as yours. But our connections with Almighty God are different. Gens Romae has the Pope, Acalia has the Patriarch.

The Emporer is willing to suspend the religion requirement in this case. Yet, Catholicism must nonetheless be legal. Islam must be illegal.

The Emporer is willing to suspend the religion requirement in this case. Yet, Catholicism must nonetheless be legal. Islam must be illegal.

That is again a point of contention. Acalia is a nation that supports freedom of religion. (Catholicism has never been illegal, and is in fact the third most widespread religion in the nation. Buddhism is a close fourth.)

The Roman Empire would like to remind Acalia that her defense budget is less than 2 billion US dollars. (http://www.sipan.org/~peter/NationStates/Tracker/index.php?nation=acalia) :)

Don't make me invade you. :)
you do ,you can say good bye to your nation as the big boys will come to they'er aid
I do not wish to cause tension between our two nations, but you must understand our faith is the same as yours. But our connections with Almighty God are different. Gens Romae has the Pope, Acalia has the Patriarch.

do not worry

The Roman Empire would like to remind Acalia that her defense budget is less than 2 billion US dollars. (http://www.sipan.org/~peter/NationStates/Tracker/index.php?nation=acalia) :)

This is not an issue. Holy God is on our side.

The Roman Empire would like to remind Acalia that her defense budget is less than 2 billion US dollars. (http://www.sipan.org/~peter/NationStates/Tracker/index.php?nation=acalia) :)

and i like to point out me and others can nuke your nation into plate glass so back off

you do ,you cansay good bye to your nation as the big boys will come to they'er aid


do not worry

Thank you.

Thank you.

your welcome and nice map

your welcome and nice map

Thanks. And if a war breaks out over such a minor thing as "religion" the Patriarch of Ryrilor will bless the Imperial Isan armies.

The Roman Empire would like to remind Acalia that her defense budget is less than 2 billion US dollars. (http://www.sipan.org/~peter/NationStates/Tracker/index.php?nation=acalia) :)



The Excessivley Armed Empire of Automagfreek would like to inform you that if you wish to make this a dick waving contest, our defense budget is 146 trillion (http://www.sipan.org/~peter/NationStates/Tracker/index.php?nation=automagfreek). Know your place little one.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of International Affairs-

The Excessivley Armed Empire of Automagfreek would like to inform you that if you wish to make this a dick waving contest, our defense budget is 146 trillion. Know your place little one.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of International Affairs-

Mother of Christ! *faints*

The Excessivley Armed Empire of Automagfreek would like to inform you that if you wish to make this a dick waving contest, our defense budget is 146 trillion (http://www.sipan.org/~peter/NationStates/Tracker/index.php?nation=automagfreek). Know your place little one.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of International Affairs-

Epic lulz. Sigged.

Official Communique of the Freethinker Government

To all involved.

The Freethinker Government, in its new policy of active engagement in support of freedom and democracy, will not stand for the threatening use of force in pursuit of fundementalist religious behaviour and military action.

Acalia can consider in this case to have its sovereignty guaranteed by the Freethinker Commonwealth.

Yours in sincerity

Strength, Honour, Courage, Unity

Sir Alan Talbot, Defence Minister of the Freethinker Government

The Excessivley Armed Empire of Automagfreek would like to inform you that if you wish to make this a dick waving contest, our defense budget is 146 trillion (http://www.sipan.org/~peter/NationStates/Tracker/index.php?nation=automagfreek). Know your place little one.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of International Affairs-
OOC nice *checks his * U$11,628,648,603,000.00 i say
Mother of Christ! *faints*
indeed

Official Communique of the Freethinker Government

To all involved.

The Freethinker Government, in its new policy of active engagement in support of freedom and democracy, will not stand for the threatening use of force in pursuit of fundementalist religious behaviour and military action.

Acalia can consider in this case to have its sovereignty guaranteed by the Freethinker Commonwealth.

Yours in sincerity

Strength, Honour, Courage, Unity

Sir Alan Talbot, Defence Minister of the Freethinker Government

The Patriarch, the Emperor, and the Acalian People thank the Freethinker Commonwealth.

OOC nice *checks his * U$11,628,648,603,000.00 i say

indeed

What could a nation possibly need with 146 trillion dollars in their military? The sheer size... Automagfreek's entire army is probably triple my entire nation population. Or more.

What could a nation possibly need with 146 trillion dollars in their military? The sheer size... Automagfreek's entire army is probably triple my entire nation population. Or more.

Well considering his population is 10 billion, even if only 1% of his population was in the military, that would be, um 100 million people, or 16 and 2/3 times bigger than your entire population. And thats only if he uses 1%... :P

What could a nation possibly need with 146 trillion dollars in their military? The sheer size... Automagfreek's entire army is probably triple my entire nation population. Or more.

it takes a lot of money in the up keeping of gear and to pay ,feed and cloth the troops

Well considering his population is 10 billion, even if only 1% of his population was in the military, that would be, um 100 million people, or 16 and 2/3 times bigger than your entire population. And thats only if he uses 1%... :P

1% and he could literally overrun my entire country with just men on foot. And the fact that my military is poorly equipped and barely existent, to say the least, wouldn't help matters.

it takes a lot of money in the up keeping of gear and to pay ,feed and cloth the troops

True.

The Roman Empire would like to remind Acalia that her defense budget is less than 2 billion US dollars. (http://www.sipan.org/~peter/NationStates/Tracker/index.php?nation=acalia) :)

Protip: Don't threaten people with military budget sizes when there are people who have bigger ones than you do. (http://www.sipan.org/~peter/NationStates/Tracker/index.php?nation=questers&nation2=Gens+Romae&nation3=Automagfreek&nation4=The+Freethinkers&nation5=&nation6=&nation7=&nation8=&nation9=&nation10=)

It looks like a decent enough map Acalia, in fact, I quite like it. If you were to improve it, I would make it a little clearer to look at. Atm its kind of ... fuzzy.

Protip: Don't threaten people with military budget sizes when there are people who have bigger ones than you do. (http://www.sipan.org/~peter/NationStates/Tracker/index.php?nation=questers&nation2=Gens+Romae&nation3=Automagfreek&nation4=The+Freethinkers&nation5=&nation6=&nation7=&nation8=&nation9=&nation10=)

It looks like a decent enough map Acalia, in fact, I quite like it. If you were to improve it, I would make it a little clearer to look at. Atm its kind of ... fuzzy.

Is there a program I can run it through to improve its clarity? I made the map on paint and saved it as PNG instead of JPEG which saved it from the loss of quality...

Do you have your photobucket set to upload files larger than 1mb? I think your original map is larger than 1mb so PB scaled it down and thats why some stuff is slightly fuzzy.

Do you have your photobucket set to upload files larger than 1mb? I think your original map is larger than 1mb so PB scaled it down and thats why some stuff is slightly fuzzy.

It's only 84.2 KB. Maybe its because the map itself is small and kinda crowded?

You should set your maximum image size to 1 Mb, not the dimension limit. PB is weird that way.

The Excessivley Armed Empire of Automagfreek would like to inform you that if you wish to make this a dick waving contest, our defense budget is 146 trillion (http://www.sipan.org/~peter/NationStates/Tracker/index.php?nation=automagfreek). Know your place little one.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of International Affairs-

The Commonwealth Kingdom of United Earthlings would like to inform you that a higher defense budget does not equate to a bigger dick. While, our nation doesn't even spend half of your budget-we are secure in the knowledge that this nation and it's people can defend against any foe, whether they be larger or smaller then the Commonwealth.

So, while your throwing your 146 trillion at the problem, we'll be out thinking and out producing you at well below half your budget. Furthermore, we could without much trouble easily match your 146 trillion and do so while maintaining a higher standard of living then you.

You'll be wise to remember this saying "Never underestimate your enemy".

Compare for yourself (http://www.sipan.org/~peter/NationStates/Tracker/index.php?nation=automagfreek&nation2=United+Earthlings&nation3=&nation4=&nation5=&nation6=&nation7=&nation8=&nation9=&nation10=)

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Back on topic: It's a very nice map Acalia. Well done. I couldn't convince you maybe to make me one could I?