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So how are your ships cloaked? What exactly do they hide?

So how are your ships cloaked? What exactly do they hide?

Hyperborian Cloaking Generators use Janfori Crystals power them, They hide the ship from view, not even Infered can detect it.

The Reason they hide is for attacks against ships that are more powerful, Fighters and other smaller ships use them.

Okay, aside from the technobabble about crystals you just made up, what does it hide from? And don't say everything, as that is godmodding UNLESS you have a major drawback.

I.e. Phase cloaks cannot interact with anything unphased. Even they are still detectable, with the right sensors.

Also, Abh can develop sensors after he encounters you enough and has enough time to research the effects of your cloak, and how it affects the universe. They aren't perfect and countermeasures can be taken.

Okay, aside from the technobabble about crystals you just made up, what does it hide from? And don't say everything, as that is godmodding UNLESS you have a major drawback.

I.e. Phase cloaks cannot interact with anything unphased. Even they are still detectable, with the right sensors.

Also, Abh can develop sensors after he encounters you enough and has enough time to research the effects of your cloak, and how it affects the universe. They aren't perfect and countermeasures can be taken.

Indeed!

My own cloaking device's flaw is that a claocked Alversian ship cannot fire ANY weapon while cloaked, nor can it make contact with another. To do either, it has to decloak.

Same here. Unless you are in the same phase as I am, I cannot hurt you. And I can only watch, hence thats how I observe. It's also my FTL. /selfrant.

I also CAN be detected but only if you run by good enough reasons by me, Bal, Godular etc, or if you have had enough encounters with them to start developing countermeasures, which requires asking me about the stuff when you have enough encounters and working through rp to develop the sensors.

Agreed. The Empire uses a variant of Phase Cloak itself, where Chronoton (Tachyon is the more common produced) particles are a heavy side effect from the energy used to keep the things running. Sure, they're usually in random scattered groups throughout the ship but it's enough to raise one's eyes and go "WTF?"

Empire ships can fire while phased, but it'd be useless due to the fact that they will move right through the ship they're firing at so they don't bother wasting the energy to shoot their weapons, plus they'd generate more chronoton particles which gives a very big "HI! I'M OVER HERE! NO! HERE!" message to the other ship.

As to Steppe's cloaks, infrared is a very primitive form of detecting cloaked figures. People now-a-days here on NS can detect ships using gravimetric scans around the planet, which will uncover even dimensional cloaks. Cloaks of all sorts leave some sort of particles, communication frequencies (unless rigged for silent running, as used by the Empire's ships and General Chang in ST: The Undiscovered Country). Just saying even Infrared can't detect it these days ain't good enough.

My cruisers use a Bose-Einstein Condensate, where it can cloak the ship and project a distorted image of it in a random place 190 yards away.

Flaws:

-Fast movement will cause the telltale distortion of the air.
-Weapons can be fired, but will leave a small hole in the cloak that will get smaller and reseal in 7 seconds.
-The false image sometimes gets projected onto land.
-Infared cloaking is provided by the ship armor, not the cloak.
-Scrambles all radio waves entering or exiting it.
-Does nothing to hide wake.

Sounds like a non-godmod cloak to you?

...There isn't any air in space, nor land.

There is no such thing as stealth in space.

Not in reality, no; In rp, yes.

My cruisers use a Bose-Einstein Condensate, where it can cloak the ship and project a distorted image of it in a random place 190 yards away.

Flaws:

-Fast movement will cause the telltale distortion of the air.
-Weapons can be fired, but will leave a small hole in the cloak that will get smaller and reseal in 7 seconds.
-The false image sometimes gets projected onto land.
-Infared cloaking is provided by the ship armor, not the cloak.
-Scrambles all radio waves entering or exiting it.
-Does nothing to hide wake.

Sounds like a non-godmod cloak to you?

If that's meant to be for modern or postmodern tech surface ships, there's the obvious point that keeping anything supercooled at 0 K for that period of time will use up so much energy that it will reheat the Bose-Einstein condensate and turn it back into the more common phases of matter (i.e. solids, liquids, gases). And there's no real proof that, even if you could produce Bose-Einstein on that scale and cover your ship with it without it turning the ship, the water it floats on, and the air above it into Bose-Einstein condensate as well, it would work the way you say it does. It would certainly be effective against IR in the way liquid nitrogen is effective against IR, but not against RADAR, LADAR, LIDAR or a myriad of other detection systems. That and it's stupid.

If it's meant to be for future tech spacedy ships, there's the obvious point that there is nothing in space for the image to be projected onto -- no land, no air, no water -- and 190 meters doesn't make that much of a difference when most space combat occurs on the scale of light-hours or AU. Plus all the points mentioned above, as laws of physics still apply to Bose-Einstein; nobody uses infrared or radio in future tech anymore -- come on, it's the year 3746198, we've invented better stuff -- and it's stupid.

In short, you win the V-N Award of Epic Fail. A man from the internet will be along to deliver the appropriate image shortly.

If that's meant to be for modern or postmodern tech surface ships, there's the obvious point that keeping anything supercooled at 0 K for that period of time will use up so much energy that it will reheat the Bose-Einstein condensate and turn it back into the more common phases of matter (i.e. solids, liquids, gases). And there's no real proof that, even if you could produce Bose-Einstein on that scale and cover your ship with it without it turning the ship, the water it floats on, and the air above it into Bose-Einstein condensate as well, it would work the way you say it does. It would certainly be effective against IR in the way liquid nitrogen is effective against IR, but not against RADAR, LADAR, LIDAR or a myriad of other detection systems. That and it's stupid.

If it's meant to be for future tech spacedy ships, there's the obvious point that there is nothing in space for the image to be projected onto -- no land, no air, no water -- and 190 meters doesn't make that much of a difference when most space combat occurs on the scale of light-hours or AU. Plus all the points mentioned above, as laws of physics still apply to Bose-Einstein; nobody uses infrared or radio in future tech anymore -- come on, it's the year 3746198, we've invented better stuff -- and it's stupid.

In short, you win the V-N Award of Epic Fail. A man from the internet will be along to deliver the appropriate image shortly.


Unless they come from a Universe in which space as Pieces of Land and Water floating about and air.

Well, my Cloak makes the ship Unseen, even Visionaly, but if you fire weapons while it is cloak, it will be seen for a second, but The Mithi-Hagi is fast to move once it fires a Torpedo, moveing to another spot to fire again.

Large Ships use Armor and Shields for defense against attack, but they don't use cloaks. the Only Capital Ship with a Cloaking Generator is The Khanthi-Dojo or Space Submarine, which had a non Crystal Powered Generator, which made it Totaly Unseen with Sensors or Visional aids, even when it fires weapons.

...your cloak is basically unable to be seen, except for one second, and it can fire while cloaked?

*cough*GODMODDING*cough

I see this going on a fast track to an Abh ignoring.

And no, your flagship is utter wank. Ubar powerful, able to be cloaked against everything, even stuff it hasn't even seen, even when it fires weapons. Utter, utter, UTTER, wank.

Also, a universe with land, water, and air? SPACE DOES NOT ALLOW ANY OF THAT. Land would instantly freeze from the intense cold, same as water. And air would dissipate faster than funds in a credit card.

Also, Abh will post when he posts. You can stop continually bumping the thread.

Thank you all for posting your cloaking devices. Now I know what to look for when I RP with you ^_^ Anyways, some of this stuff probably could move to Bal's FT Arguments thread if you want to further discuss and compare your cloaks.

@Steppe- If I am reading this correctly, your cloak makes the ship unseen. That simply brings to mind that your ship is now invisible. Not unheard of in FT but you're still not telling me what it is dodging while it's cloak. For reference here, and for others in the future, my sensors can detect a number of things like gravity readings given off by a ship and emission trails a ship leaves behind. Then there is also the distortions within space from dimensional travel that they pick up. Even if your ship is invisible, every sensor in the system just picked up you coming out of Hyperspace.

I'll post when I know the full extent of what your ships are dodging here.

Also, how many ships are you throwing at me in Febdauch?

Thank you all for posting your cloaking devices. Now I know what to look for when I RP with you ^_^ Anyways, some of this stuff probably could move to Bal's FT Arguments thread if you want to further discuss and compare your cloaks.

@Steppe- If I am reading this correctly, your cloak makes the ship unseen. That simply brings to mind that your ship is now invisible. Not unheard of in FT but you're still not telling me what it is dodging while it's cloak. For reference here, and for others in the future, my sensors can detect a number of things like gravity readings given off by a ship and emission trails a ship leaves behind. Then there is also the distortions within space from dimensional travel that they pick up. Even if your ship is invisible, every sensor in the system just picked up you coming out of Hyperspace.

I'll post when I know the full extent of what your ships are dodging here.

Also, how many ships are you throwing at me in Febdauch?

My Cloak is dodging Sensors like yours, but a Cloaked Hyperborian Ship can be found, They use Dark Matter to Power their ships and it leaves a energy Trail that even your sensors can find.

and their are 8 Mithi-Hagi ships heading your way, thet are a analog to a Klingon or Romulian Bird of Prey, Armed with Two Turbolaser Cannons, one Phaser Cannon and two Torpedo/Missile Lanuchers, Crew of 20.

So then they are not hiding from sensors like mine.

I'll get a post up soon then.

So then they are not hiding from sensors like mine.

I'll get a post up soon then.

Ok :)

Steppe, delete your last post. I told you that I would post and I will. There is no way that you have covered two hours of travel in one post without anything happening to you. That asteroid field is not that big.

abh im in for you dont meess with the abh stepe

Sorry I couldn't Post, Ice Storm took out the Power.

Hey, uh, Abh. Don't forget, I owe you several consecutive favors. :D

And I'm bored.

I will post something soon

Anyone feel like linking to the main thread? I wanna see Steppe Wanktacular in action.

Well, I am waiting for Abh's Post still, say, how is everything?

Uh Steppe, see my previous post. You can't cover two light hours of travel in one post without anything happening to you. I'm not responding until that post gets deleted.

Uh Steppe, see my previous post. You can't cover two light hours of travel in one post without anything happening to you. I'm not responding until that post gets deleted.

I thought I deleted that?

Umm... "Used Ninja Skills to get past all the guards to place bombs on the generators to blow them up"?

What is that?

Umm... "Used Ninja Skills to get past all the guards to place bombs on the generators to blow them up"?

What is that?

The 'Used' part was a mistype,it was to be 'use' sice she hasn't done it yet.

Waiting for Abh's Post

I will post on the IC Thread soon

So, anything new?

bump

Bump for more OOC Post

No offence, but I personally would declare this RP dead. No activity excluding bumps. I believe that it is time for this RP to die.