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The Ryou Air Force, Small as it is, is pleased to Introduce a New Long Range Bomber. The R-80 "Banzai" Supersonic Bomber.

General characteristics:

Crew: 4 (pilot, co-pilot, bombardier, defensive systems operator)
Length: 54.1 m (177 ft 6 in)

Wingspan:
Spread (20° sweep): 55.70 m (189 ft 9 in)
Swept (65° sweep): 35.60 m (116 ft 10 in)
Height: 13.10 m (43 ft 0 in)

Wing area:
Spread: 400 m² (4,310 ft²)
Swept: 360 m² (3,875 ft²)

Empty weight: 110 t (242,000 lb)
Loaded weight: 267 t (590,000 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 275 t (606,000 lb)
Powerplant: 4× Ninchin ZAN-329 turbofans
Dry thrust: 437 kN (55,900 lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 445 kN (66,100 lbf) each.

Performance:

Maximum speed: Mach 3.05[13] (3,220 km/h, 1,400 mph) at high altitude
Combat radius: 10,500 km
Maximum range: 17,400 km ()
Service ceiling: 15,000 m (49,200 ft)
Rate of climb: 4200 m/min ()
Wing loading: 743 kg/m² with wings fully swept (152 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.37

Armament:

2 internal bays for 40,000 kg (88,200 lb) of ordnance, options include:
2 internal rotary launchers each holding 6× cruise missiles (primary armament) or 12× short-range nuclear missiles

The R-80 is based on the Tupolev TU-160, but more powerful. Ryou Disigners made the plane faster then The TU-160 by adding The Ninchin ZAN-329 turbofans from NinChin Tech.

The R-80 is used for Long Range attacks against enemy Cities and Military Bases.

This will be for sale when we build more

Number of Bombers Built: 500

[OOC: If you're interested in sharing your design with a NS design community which offers feedback, check out the NS Draftroom (http://s4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom).]

You will almost certainly have to increase the weight of the aircraft and decrease its operational range if you want to upgrade it with more advanced (i.e. larger) engines and the additional fuel supply required. That is, unless you have somehow developed a turbofan capable of providing twice as much thrust as the NK-321 yet still being exactly the same size, which strikes me as awfully unlikely. And given the increased distances in NS, I also recommend upgrading it further -- with options for aerial refueling for instance.

Otherwise, well.... it's been flown in real life, I can't complain too much about it.

*Sigh* And once again, you've copied directly from Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu-160) Smooth.

... Also known as the Tupolev Tu-160 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-160)...

Seriously, all you did was change the speed?

EDIT: Noooooo! Ezaltia beat me to it! :(

It's a real shame that you feel the need to plagiarize other designs time and time again, while other NS designers work really hard to come up with something original. I hope serious action is taken this time for trying to get the credit for a design that isn't even yours.

[EDIT]:
If anyone thinks I am being too harsh or trying to start an argument here, I will withdraw this post immediately. I'm only voicing my concern over whether this should be allowed to continue.

It's a real shame that you feel the need to plagiarize other designs time and time again, while other NS designers work really hard to come up with something original. I hope serious action is taken this time for trying to get the credit for a design that isn't even yours.

[EDIT]:
If anyone thinks I am being too harsh or trying to start an argument here, I will withdraw this post immediately. I'm only voicing my concern over whether this should be allowed to continue.

It's not really just "someone else's" design, it's a design from a lot of engineers in Russia. But, it IS on Wikipedia, and therefore public domain and you can copy/paste whatever you want from there (just don't let your English teacher catch you doing that).

It's not really just "someone else's" design, it's a design from a lot of engineers in Russia. But, it IS on Wikipedia, and therefore public domain and you can copy/paste whatever you want from there (just don't let your English teacher catch you doing that).

I'm not entirely sure if you can just copy whatever you want. Wikipedia states there is no formal agreement between the user and the website, indicating that the agreement be between the user and the source. The information comes from a variety of sources on wikipedia, which maintains a high quality of referencing and thus attributing credit to those whose works the article(s) is/are based upon. This does not change the fact that Ryou has blatantly plagiarized other work, and attributed no credit to the original creators of that content. (NOTE: Wikipedia are not the original creators of the content, that is why you can't get away with referencing to it- Credit must be attributed to the sources stated)

Edit: I never said that it was just "someone else's design", for the record. Basically, the design isn't original, and Ryou is indicating that it is. That's simply my complaint. Nevertheless, I am going to query the mods on NS policy surrounding this.

Basically, the design isn't original, and Ryou is indicating that it is.

OOC: Not quite. He did quite clearly indicate in his post, "The R-80 is based on the Tupolev TU-160, but more powerful. Ryou Disigners made the plane faster then The TU-160 by adding The Ninchin ZAN-329 turbofans from NinChin Tech." He said he took the Tupolev and stuck better engines on it to make it go faster, and aside from the debatable technical possibilities of what he's proposing, he's true to his word - that's exactly what he's done. And as we all know, real-life weapons systems are fair game for everybody.

Sorry, missed that bit, will teach me to read more carefully in the future. Apologies to Ryou.

Although, technically would that not make it a variation of the Tu-160 and thus named some thing like "Tu-160B" rather than deserving of a completely new designation?

Sorry, missed that bit, will teach me to read more carefully in the future. Apologies to Ryou.

Although, technically would that not make it a variation of the Tu-160 and thus named some thing like "Tu-160B" rather than deserving of a completely new designation?

Redesignations aren't unheard of. One example I can think of off the top of my head is the capture of several Soviet PM-38 mortars by the Heer, re-introducing them to their soldiers as the Granatwerfer 205.

Sorry, missed that bit, will teach me to read more carefully in the future. Apologies to Ryou.

Although, technically would that not make it a variation of the Tu-160 and thus named some thing like "Tu-160B" rather than deserving of a completely new designation?

OOC: It's not uncommon for a country to make changes to the design of an existing product to suit their own needs, and then proceed to begin domestic production of the product under their own designation. For example off the top of my head, the FN FAL was called the L1A1 by the British, the Beretta 92 the US Army uses is referred to as the M9, and the AK-47 has more designations in more countries than I could possibly remember...

...And the F-14 is called the F/A-11 in Cazelia

Although this bomber could use some improvements, our nation would like to purchase 10 for testing. Perhaps DPR if we like them. Money will be wired upon acceptance.

Thanks,
President Atar Algahar

...And the F-14 is called the F/A-11 in Cazelia


OK I get the point! :p
It was just the way the post was opened that made me think Ryou was trying to claim the design. I just didn't see the Tu-160 bit at the bottom of the thread.

Ryous Introduce New Long Range Bomber
The Ryou Air Force, Small as it is, is pleased to Introduce a New Long Range Bomber. The R-80 "Banzai" Supersonic Bomber.

Although this bomber could use some improvements, our nation would like to purchase 10 for testing. Perhaps DPR if we like them. Money will be wired upon acceptance.

Thanks,
President Atar Algahar

The Price for one R-80 is $400,000,000 and we will Sale you these.

EDIT: I am now giveing the ten planes to you to test for Free.

The Price for one R-80 is $400,000,000 and we will Sale you these.

OOC: if TWSP is selling the exact same thing (minus the engine) for only 70 million rather than your 400 million, how exactly are you planning on being able to compete?

OOC: if TWSP is selling the exact same thing (minus the engine) for only 70 million rather than your 400 million, how exactly are you planning on being able to compete?

OOC: that Test Shiloba talked about, in fact, I wil give ten of them to Shiloba for Free.